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Quoted since he didn't get the hint the first 5 times...
...maybe someone should just tell him to 'get the "H" outta here'...
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It's going to be a mess in the stands and if you say the same thing would happen by week 3 or 4 if Colt weren't here?
It won't matter who the back up is. Period. People are simply sick and tired of crappy football. That is the life of a starting QB on lousy teams. It is what it is (and not just here in Cleveland).
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It won't matter who the back up is. Period. People are simply sick and tired of crappy football. That is the life of a starting QB on lousy teams. It is what it is (and not just here in Cleveland).
Well, here's the rub then ... we will never cease to have crappy football until we find the QB. And Colt is not that guy. And it does no one any good at all to have a bunch of idiot fans ... and idiot local sports broadcasters ... and idiot local journalists stirring the pot all the damn time. If I was Weeden and I got booed after every mistake because I'm expected to be perfect I'd want a one way ticket out of town as fast as possible.
Yes, people are tired of losing.
But that has caused people to lose sight of the big picture.
If you want to build something that's going to have some sustenance, it's going to take a little bit of time.
I've read so many idiot posts on other boards about how Heckert isn't all that good and how's he missed on this pick and that pick ... well, guess what? Every team, every GM ... even the ones who are considered great miss on picks. But guess which teams seem to be able to overcome them ... those with great QBs. It's all about the QB.
But it is incredibly hard to find the QB. So what you do is you try to find that guy and you also focus on building the foundation of the rest of your team with young, high ceiling guys. So when you do find the QB, you can just plug him in. That's what Heckert has done here and some people are just too stupid to see it.
Maybe Weeden will be that guy. I hope so. But I know for sure that Colt isn't. Colt being on this team is going to be a huge distraction. And he's not good. Some people think having him as backup means we'll automatically win some games if Weeden goes down. Give me a break. He's terrible. I can't say it enough. Cut ties and let's eliminate the distraction.
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And it does no one any good at all to have a bunch of idiot fans ... and idiot local sports broadcasters ... and idiot local journalists stirring the pot all the damn time.
please. it doesn't do anyone any real harm either. how many on here are openly touting Colt McCoy as "the answer"? noone other than someone who came on here for no other purpose than to rile people up.
people believe noone will be yelling for Seneca Wallace if he is the QB2 for this team. I agree. that is because Colt is a better QB than Seneca. so, why are we so eager to become worse at backup QB?
if Weeden cannot handle people criticizing his play, then Cleveland is not the place for him. I don't think that will be the cause for any issues he might have though.
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Disagree. It's because he is more likeable and is the better story. I know 1 thing for sure. If Weeden week 1 plays as bad as Colt played in his 1st game, he'll get criticized to no end....with Colt? He was "better than expected", doing essentially nothing for 3 Qtrs and then "leading" a TD drive while the PIT D was drinking champagne on the field while leading by 3 scores.....sounds like typical Colt? Well, that was his 1st start in this league and he's still the same Since then it's an incredibily unreasonable Colt apology lovefest. To some extent the fetish towards him is getting comparable to the Mangini one....no matter how bad they produced, there were/are still incredibly enough people to defend those bums You think ANY Colt coddler would say "the rook did ok" if Weeden "leads" this Offense to 0p in 3 Qtrs and then throws a TD pass late? I highly doubt that...hypocrisy at its finest....heck, they're even out here ALREADY arguing Colt would be better before they even saw a Weeden snap, much less a game or ten I'd accept Colt as the backup simply because Wallace does not care anymore...he's not a good fit (totally different style of QB, that's bad for the OL and receivers) but I still would keep him, if...IF it wasn't for this fetish from the fans towards Colt Rishuz is probably speaking of and I totally agree with him...it's like Colt hypnotized them. It's the main reason I would be ok if we just get rid of him...he should open a sect with Mangini, they'd get VERY rich 
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who are you talking about? i don't see anyone on here (other than the recent troll riler) who fits that description.
there were those that just didn't like the non-Luck & RGIII QB options, so were willing to give Colt this year so we could replace him next offseason.
there were those that thought the WR/RB/OL issues were as much at fault as Colt for the offense being putrid.
but, I don't see anyone stating that Colt is actually a better option than Weeden (other than said troll-poster). i didn't see any objections to naming Weeden the starter (quite the opposite, many thought it took too long). and really I guess I'm one of his bigger "supporters" just because I think we should keep him because Seneca is worse than he is.
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who are you talking about? i don't see anyone on here (other than the recent troll riler) who fits that description.
You keep saying things like this.
You do realize this board is probably only frequented by .05% of Browns fans, right?
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There are a couple of established posters on here that have come out and said they think Colt would be the better starter week 1...I think PPE was one fo them (sorry to PPE if my memory is off)
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You do realize this board is probably only frequented by .05% of Browns fans, right?
well, with as bad as we have been lately, that % is probably a bit higher these days
but, that furthers my point. posters on here get called out quickly if they are posting nonsensical things and being ridiculous (which stating that Colt is the better QB for this team would be). if the FO is making moves to pander to the nonsensical and ridiculous portion of the fanbase, then we are in dire straits anyway.
DJ: I can see the argument that Colt could be the better QB to win a game in the early portions of the season. But, even if you take that, long-term Weeden is our QB (well, hopefully long-term because otherwise we're back to where we started)
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First off its about time some people got a clue...
One Colt is Reading D's better than Weeden "right now" and is out playing him(granted against lesser talent...but also with lesser talent)
Second Colt CAN throw the deeper routes and all of you who keep whining and saying he can't don't know your butt from a hole in the ground....Last year is NOT proof. He did not do much of that last year as the pinched nerve in his shoulder prevented him from doing it as well as other factors such as receivers in the wrong place...(If you don't know whether the receiver is going to be in the right place or not it is going to slow the offense down as you have to wait and see if he runs the right route.) He has thrown the ball MUCH better this preseason and has gone downfield much more often.
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Weeden is the unquestioned #1 QB on this team. He simply can make throws that Colt cannot. That throw to Massaquoi between 3 defenders last Friday was a perfect example. Both QB's have great leadership abilities. But it is the Physical abilities and the QUICK learning skills of Weeden that make him the no brainer choice to be the #1. Even if Colt is developmentally ahead of Weeden in the reading of D's department. If it was JUST about physical attributes...I would say sit Weeden. I take Flutie over Rob Johnson any day of the week....But it isn't Weeden has a head on his shoulders that will learn things quick. and he has this team behind him...
Colt fans can support Colt...But they also have to realize that while he is a great guy...and he may not have gotten the best deal of cards....and he may even have the capability to be an NFL starter...that out of the two...Weeden and Colt....Colt comes up #2.
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DJ: I can see the argument that Colt could be the better QB to win a game in the early portions of the season.
I don't get this line of reasoning at all. If Colt can't get the ball down the field now and Weeden can throw deep to soften up the D and get them to back off, then what makes you think Colt is the better option? He might be better off reading the D now but what good does that do, if he can't make them pay for it? No, I think Weeds, although he will struggle early, will still be able to put the ball down the field faster and at least give us a better chance to score.
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I hope he gets traded SOON. There are going to be all kinds of people like you at the stadium booing Weeden every time he makes a mistake, and I think that is unfortunate.
It is unfortunate... it was unfortunate when they booed Couch, then Holcomb, and Quinn and Anderson... and Dilfer and Garcia... and Frye and McCown... it was unfortunate when they cheered for an injury then backpeddled and said they were just cheering for the replacement, as if that is any better....
Weeden will get a grace period, not sure how long... but by and large, if the fans boo his poor performance and mistakes, it's not going to be because they are so much in love with McCoy as it is them booing a continuation of poor performance and mistakes.... This may be Weeden's first attempt as the Browns regular season QB but for the fans, it's another year of them dragging their expectations into the stadium and dragging their frustrations out... and if this starts to look like previous years, it won't matter who the back-up is on the sidelines, he will get his grace period and if it doesn't improve, the booing will be for everybody involved, not just Weeden.
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DJ: I can see the argument that Colt could be the better QB to win a game in the early portions of the season.
I don't get this line of reasoning at all. If Colt can't get the ball down the field now and Weeden can throw deep to soften up the D and get them to back off, then what makes you think Colt is the better option? He might be better off reading the D now but what good does that do, if he can't make them pay for it? No, I think Weeds, although he will struggle early, will still be able to put the ball down the field faster and at least give us a better chance to score.
the side on Colt is that he has more experience with the playbook and therefore should be able to read defenses better, know where WRs breaks are coming better, and, in general, just know what to do and when to do it better.
that said, I agree with you that Weeden also has qualities that Colt does not possess, so it is not a slam dunk on which would be the better starter in week1 (just that I can see the arguments on both sides for it).
doesn't matter though. Weeden is our long-term starter and we decided to put his feet to the fire. let's see what he does with it.
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Pinched nerve Almost forgot about the Queen of all apologies I have some running gags for you....they go like this 3 years of pinched nerve...poor Colt, he wanted to but he just COULD NOT throw them...he had a pinched nerve The Browns FO is so stupid...it gave 20+ starts and 2 seasons away trotting out a QB with a pinched nerve Hello, McFly? He's still crap at throwing them...pretty much EVERY deep ball turns into a jump ball as he constantly lacks zip and because of this and his hesitancy (which I always STRESS is the bigger problem) he also UNDER-throws every deep ball...his receivers always have to wait for the ball (best examples: Little deep ball vs Rams in 2011, Cameron in preseason game 1or2 2012)....
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You know who also was a mastermind of reading Ds? Ken Dorsey....man, if he just would have gotten more of a chance with better talent around him...I tell ya
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Weeden will get a grace period, not sure how long... but by and large, if the fans boo his poor performance and mistakes, it's not going to be because they are so much in love with McCoy as it is them booing a continuation of poor performance and mistakes....
Then could you tell me why fans applauded Colt for his crap of 1st game vs the Steelers where he did absolutely NOTHING the entire game? He threw 5yd passes and didn't turn it over...YAY...you know what else he did? Not score points
That's my point....if Weeden DOES turn in a game like this, he WILL get torched around here, NOT applauded...and you tell me it has nothing to do with persona fetish/perception? That doesn't convince me...AT ALL
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It's Cleveland ... if Wallace is the back-up, they'll chant his name. If it's Thad Lewis, they'll chant his, too. I don't love or hate McCoy, and for the time being I think he's a competent back-up. Only way he plays this year is if A) Weeden is disastrously clueless or B) Weeden gets hurt. History tells me that B will probably happen at some point, and I'd rather have McCoy than Wallace (though I won't be upset if it doesn't work out that way).
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Yeah I know. Just thinking out loud. If he aint got it, then he aint got it. Hope he proves me wrong. Better yet, Maybe Weeds will light it up and make it a moot point 
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Then could you tell me why fans applauded Colt for his crap of 1st game vs the Steelers where he did absolutely NOTHING the entire game? He threw 5yd passes and didn't turn it over...YAY...you know what else he did? Not score points
You sure you are talking about the right game? He completed 70% of his passes for 281 yards, 8.5 ypa.. threw a TD but had 2 interceptions... he had passes of over 20 yards to Hillis, Watson, Moore and Stuckey.
If McCoy played more games as "badly" as he played that one... he'd still be the QB. If Weeden puts up similar numbers, regardless of whether we win or lose or how many points we turn it into, I will be fairly pleased.
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who are you talking about? i don't see anyone on here (other than the recent troll riler) who fits that description.
You keep saying things like this.
You do realize this board is probably only frequented by .05% of Browns fans, right?
While that may be true even the people I know mostly agree with Weeden is the better option at QB over the long run and worth the growing pains we will suffer through.
Ive said it before. I wouldnt have minded seeing what McCoy would have done if given the chance, had we not drafted a QB who to my eyes looks better. So now I want to see Weeden with these new players instead.
Ive also said I like the QB class next year better then Weeden and/ or McCoy.
But those conversations are for later years.
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Then could you tell me why fans applauded Colt for his crap of 1st game vs the Steelers where he did absolutely NOTHING the entire game? He threw 5yd passes and didn't turn it over...YAY...you know what else he did? Not score points
You sure you are talking about the right game? He completed 70% of his passes for 281 yards, 8.5 ypa.. threw a TD but had 2 interceptions... he had passes of over 20 yards to Hillis, Watson, Moore and Stuckey.
If McCoy played more games as "badly" as he played that one... he'd still be the QB. If Weeden puts up similar numbers, regardless of whether we win or lose or how many points we turn it into, I will be fairly pleased.
Thanks for hitting me in stride
- After 55min McCoy lead Browns had scored 3p....those 3p were scored after an INT to the PIT 35...McCoy did literally NOTHING to advance the ball as 2 PIT penalties at least put us in FG territory
- 3 of the 4 20+ yds plays you mentioned came in the last 5min aka the Steelers partying their victory in the prevcent mode....2 of those 4 passes were "short" aka dump offs
- 132yds of those 281 he had in the last 5 garbage time minutes....so when the game was actually a contested game he threw for 149yds and "led" 0 scoring drives
Now tell me again how Weeden doe NOT get booed if the score is 3-28 Philly and he has 149yds with an INT after 55min...but Colt was "ok" 
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Then could you tell me why fans applauded Colt for his crap of 1st game vs the Steelers where he did absolutely NOTHING the entire game? He threw 5yd passes and didn't turn it over...YAY...you know what else he did? Not score points
You sure you are talking about the right game? He completed 70% of his passes for 281 yards, 8.5 ypa.. threw a TD but had 2 interceptions... he had passes of over 20 yards to Hillis, Watson, Moore and Stuckey.
If McCoy played more games as "badly" as he played that one... he'd still be the QB. If Weeden puts up similar numbers, regardless of whether we win or lose or how many points we turn it into, I will be fairly pleased.
Thanks for hitting me in stride
- After 55min McCoy lead Browns had scored 3p....those 3p were scored after an INT to the PIT 35...McCoy did literally NOTHING to advance the ball as 2 PIT penalties at least put us in FG territory
- 3 of the 4 20+ yds plays you mentioned came in the last 5min aka the Steelers partying their victory in the prevcent mode....2 of those 4 passes were "short" aka dump offs
- 132yds of those 281 he had in the last 5 garbage time minutes....so when the game was actually a contested game he threw for 149yds and "led" 0 scoring drives
Now tell me again how Weeden doe NOT get booed if the score is 3-28 Philly and he has 149yds with an INT after 55min...but Colt was "ok"
I personally dont think you would see Weeden getting boo'd in the first game no matter what he does. The only difference between the 2 and this is where your failing to see the difference.
Weeden is a first round pick expected to start from day 1.
McCoy was a 3rd round pick who was supposed to sit for the first couple/few years and because of injury was forced to play his first game against one of the better teams in the NFL.
McCoy will get a pass if only because he was never expected to start and was always considered a project (for lack of a better word) Weeden however is more then a project, he is an improvement and thus an upgrade at a position.
Now sometimes draft picks dont pan out so whether he actual becomes the desired upgrade remains to be seen but I think he will be given some leaway by the fans as he learns. All Imho of course.
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Now tell me again how Weeden doe NOT get booed if the score is 3-28 Philly and he has 149yds with an INT after 55min...but Colt was "ok"
I can't speak for everybody... I wouldn't boo Weeden.... I expect there might be a smattering of boos if the game goes that way but my point is that the booing will not be directed at Weeden. There would be no way to know but most would just be booing "the team" for looking so freaking bad....
Then there is what Nick says below... expectations. Have we, or have we not been told that Weeden is head and shoulders better than McCoy? Not that he will be, but that he already is... So McCoy was a 3rd round pick who got almost zero first team reps through camp and then was thrust in on minimum work... Weeden is a first round pick who was anointed the starter before camp, got almost all of the first team reps in practice and preseason games and has a couple weapons the likes of which McCoy never had...... so if he plays like McCoy did in his first start, then why should he get a pass?
My thought, if Weeden sucks eggs and gets booed, it will be because the Colt haters have gone to such lengths to build Weeden up as being SOOOOOOOOO much better that the more casual fans are going to expect him to look SOOOOOOOOO much better.
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The most popular player on any losing team is the backup QB.. It is a fact of life. and every QB to play in Cleveland since Kosar has had to deal with it..
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My thought, if Weeden sucks eggs and gets booed, it will be because the Colt haters have gone to such lengths to build Weeden up as being SOOOOOOOOO much better that the more casual fans are going to expect him to look SOOOOOOOOO much better.
Agreed.
I won't boo him either but Trent Richardson will be back and hopefully Weeden will be able to feed off a running game. If he can move the chains some and let our secret weapon (Phil Dawson) score some pts. I think fans and press will take it easy on him.
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I can't speak for everybody... I wouldn't boo Weeden.... I expect there might be a smattering of boos if the game goes that way but my point is that the booing will not be directed at Weeden. There would be no way to know but most would just be booing "the team" for looking so freaking bad....
Well DC, this isn't the only message board I visit. I actually make an occasional post on two more boards and do a quick read on a couple more of them once in a while to gauge fan response.
Dawg Talkers by far and away have the most sensible posters overall. I can tell you....it won't simply be boos. It will be a call for Colt if this season, and it most likely will happen, gets off to a slow start.
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Already is a better QB from which aspect? While I think most of us agree that Colt isn't the best option going forward, he has had an entire year in this O while Weeden comes from the spread O. So from the aspect of being "the best QB", yes I'd say there is no doubt that Weeden has a far better QB skill set.
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Colt's first start was not last year. Colt had 8 starts the previous season. Any way you slice it, Colt had time during that season to study, watch and know the system before he was "thrown into it". Last year, he had 13 starts in this system compared to zero for Weeden.
So yes, Weeden is the better QB, but there is still a learning curve that must be overcome here.
The average guy in the stands won't be thinking about Colts first start. They'll be thinking about how Colt looked this pre-season verses Weedens first start in this system.
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I think that's just pure horse manure.
It's simply a lack of patience and understanding. It's simply pure frustration over losing so much for so long. It's fans expecting a bunch of rookies to come out and light the world on fire. It's because a big part of this fan base simply won't own up to the fact that Colt lost his job as starter because of what Colt couldn't do.
I hear it everywhere.... Colt got a raw deal..... Colt was never given the talent around him to win. Colt wasn't treated fair...... I'd like to see what Colt can do with all this new talent.
That has nothing to do with anything said or not said about Weeden. Many people simply can't wrap their minds around the fact that Colt was replaced based on what he could and could not do and was not judged on what his supporting cast did and did not do.
You won't just be hearing Weeden get bood. You'll be hearing the call for Colt. People seemed to dismiss that only a few short weeks ago. People may dismiss it now.
But they won't be dismissing it in a few weeks unless by some miracle a bunch of raw rookies can look like they've been in this system for a couple of years in a few short weeks......
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We have rookies in two of our top 4 WR's, a rookie RT, a rookie RB and a rookie RT.
How many right tackles are we starting? 
To be fair, we could have used two side-by-side last year ... just hate to have them both be rookies
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it won't simply be boos. It will be a call for Colt if this season, and it most likely will happen, gets off to a slow start.
When is the last time we had a QB on the field that was the unanimous fan favorite and NOBODY was calling for his back-up? Kosar? It's a fact of life for the Browns and until somebody actually takes the reigns and performs... it will continue.
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Already is a better QB from which aspect?
Every aspect except speed from what I've read on here.
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Colt's first start was not last year. Colt had 8 starts the previous season. Any way you slice it, Colt had time during that season to study, watch and know the system before he was "thrown into it".
So from his 8 starts the previous year he was able to study and learn the system before being thrown into it the following year? IT WAS A DIFFERENT SYSTEM. Yes he should have taken some experience from the first year to the second but knowledge of the system isn't one of them.
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So yes, Weeden is the better QB, but there is still a learning curve that must be overcome here.
The average guy in the stands won't be thinking about Colts first start. They'll be thinking about how Colt looked this pre-season verses Weedens first start in this system.
Oh it's much bigger than that Pit... For most fans, Weeden isn't going to just be compared to Colt last year or Colt his first year or Colt in the preseason... no, no, no.... Weeden is going to be compared to Luck, RGIII, Tannehill and possibly the most to Russell Wilson... This is the pool from which much of Weeden's criticism will originate if our offense is bad... if it starts to look like from all of the QBs taken that we got the dud... Weeden will hear about it, fair or unfair, that's the way it's going to be.... And with Richardson, Little, Gordon, our TEs, Thomas, Mack, Schwartz... the old "everybody else has more talent than us" argument isn't going to get him very far.... we have a lot more talent than any QB we've had in a long time.
I personally expect growing pains, I expect some stupid mistakes of people not on the same page, etc... I also fully expect explosiveness like we haven't seen since 2007, I expect to see some big plays and considerable growth... I expect ups and downs... a lot of people aren't going to expect that.
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I think that's just pure horse manure.
It's simply a lack of patience and understanding. It's simply pure frustration over losing so much for so long. It's fans expecting a bunch of rookies to come out and light the world on fire.
So you call it horse manure, then agree with it.  Where do these fans get this crazy notion that a bunch of rookies are going to come out and light the world on fire? From people telling them it could happen? From seeing other teams do it?
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I hear it everywhere.... Colt got a raw deal..... Colt was never given the talent around him to win. Colt wasn't treated fair...... I'd like to see what Colt can do with all this new talent.
Well, I think every QB we've had here since 1999 has gotten a raw deal... we have consistently failed to get and keep decent talent around them or build anything sustainable.. Colt falls into that group.
I have to admit that I'm mildly curious as to what Colt could do given some time with this new group... but he's not the starter and I can deal with that too.
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You won't just be hearing Weeden get bood. You'll be hearing the call for Colt.
People have been told by the media, the fans, the teams... quality QB play is the single biggest factor in winning and losing... most fans, most logical fans, will understand that this year it's not as much about winning and losing... but if Weeden can't seperate himself from the dismal boring 9-12 point performances we saw most of last year... then they will respond..
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But they won't be dismissing it in a few weeks unless by some miracle a bunch of raw rookies can look like they've been in this system for a couple of years in a few short weeks......
I'm pretty sure nobody expects the Browns offense to rival that of the Packers or Saints... but it should look a whole lot better than the Browns offense from the second half of last season...
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it won't simply be boos. It will be a call for Colt if this season, and it most likely will happen, gets off to a slow start.
When is the last time we had a QB on the field that was the unanimous fan favorite and NOBODY was calling for his back-up? Kosar? It's a fact of life for the Browns and until somebody actually takes the reigns and performs... it will continue.
Ummmm, Colt in 2011? and he was probably the worst of them all?
Look, I have no problem with Colt the player....like in the Tebow thread somebody said having no problem with Tebow but with Tebowmania....that's how I feel about Colt. Most of the blame falls on H&H and especially Holmgren since he pulled rank to select him and then hype him to something he NEVER was...a possible franchise QB. You can blame some homers who turned on him but I was pretty consistent of my assessment of Colt, pre-draft and since he's a Brown...he isn't and never was a NFL starter talent
If we had someone like Hasselbeck, an experienced vet, in front of him and not seen much of Colt and THEN selected Weeden this draft...NOBODY would have a problem with keeping Colt as the no2. It's the Colt-mania, that has grown over the past 2 years, that is a problem for me now and I see as possibly be VERY damaging to the development of Weeden, who at least has starter UPSIDE...I was probably the biggest Weeden pimp around pre-draft but even I realize that he is a 50-50 roll of the dice, but I'll take that over 0-100 any day
To use an analogy: Weeden is a small tree that can become a huge beautiful tree and I don't want to mess with the growth of this tree by seeding a pest plant next to him that won't grow into anything useful anyway
and no, Colt isn't a pest plant, it's Colt-mania and it's NOT his fault (maybe 5% because of his stat whoring antics that dupes some homers looking at stats, not saying you're a homer, cause you'er NOT, but you saying his 1st start looked good was a GREAT example of just that)....this is 60% on Holmgren, 20% on Heckert and 15% teenage like lovedrunk homer fans and maybe just 5% Colt himself....at least that's the way I see it
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Just thoughts...
What if Weeden goes something like 25/49 with 300 yds, 2 tds and 2ints and we lost 37-20
What I think we're going to see is a kid thats going to struggle but he's going to flash. his YPC is going to be way higher than his YPA and he's going to move the chains, and then stall out.
Everyone is painting this he's going to look amazing or awful picture and that just isnt it. He's going to flash but look ordinary otherwise...Thats all we can expect.
If BW3 can flash and make some plays no one should have an issue. We saw what safe got us, and while it didnt look horrible (imo, he never made that BIG mistake) it didnt look special at all (he never made that big play either).
We got a guy who is going to help us with big plays, but will hurt us in big plays too. I'd say expect to see something similar to what we saw from Eli Manning as a starter, low completion percentage but big yards and high TD and INT numbers. Weeders has the advantage of being a pro before albeit in a different sport but he understands that. We will have rookie football with a more mature approach which will eliminate the rookie mistakes quicker (or at least it should look that). His big hurdle will mostly be adjusting to the speed of the game, which once live bullets fly shouldnt take overly long. He has a big arm and help all over the place from all of the experience on our team in the coaching staff and roster, especially if Wallace is still around, but that big arm is accurate which is the helper.
Moreso he has a running game now providing Richardson can get it done which against that Eagles wide 9 he should be able to find space early which will draw the D in which Weeden can test deep.
We're going to see a guy who struggles but flashes and lets hope that Little, Gordon, Benjamin and others make it easy on him by doing their job well, and the coaches make things easy on them by not overburdening them with things they dont do well.
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The bottom line for me is that Weeden passes the eyeball test. Yes, he'll make mistakes and I'm ok with that as long as he learns from them. But he has a sense of confidence about him that I like. The NFL game at this level doesn't seem "too big" for him.
It was always the exact opposite with Colt. He has always looked scared out there. People want to praise him for "making plays" with his legs but that's because he was always quick to run for his life. He looked out of place. He has that "root for me because I'm the small underdog" thing about him that people gravitate to. And he certainly seems like a likable guy and a good team mate. Not saying that someday he can't grow into it more over time but right now, I have much more faith in Weeden.
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agreed...
and on a Colt related note...as soon as he gets the anticpation of the NFL game down better...he could be an incredibly dangerous QB
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Look, I have no problem with Colt the player....like in the Tebow thread somebody said having no problem with Tebow but with Tebowmania....that's how I feel about Colt.
Maybe its different if you live in the area, I live in NC.. I don't see any Coltmania whatsoever. I see a lot of people wishing he would succeed because he's such a likeable guy... I see a lot of people who think he didn't get a fair shake... Those people as far as I can tell, have accepted that he's not the starter now and Weeden would have to look pretty bad for anybody to call for Colt to start... maybe that's just the people I know.
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It's the Colt-mania, that has grown over the past 2 years, that is a problem for me now
Again.. I saw expectations pretty high after 2010, probably unreasonably high.. but I don't see ANY of that expectation any more.
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I have said this multiple times too.. Weeden doesn't have to be Brady or Manning but if he can't at least show enough relatively early as to why he deserves to start over McCoy, then we are in trouble.
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it's Colt-mania and it's NOT his fault (maybe 5% because of his stat whoring antics that dupes some homers looking at stats, not saying you're a homer, cause you'er NOT, but you saying his 1st start looked good was a GREAT example of just that)....
I will continue to say that when taken in context, his first start wasn't that bad. He moved the chains some, he played pretty smart... He played about as well as a 3rd round QB, thrust into action with minimal prep time against the best pass defense and best overall defense could be expected to play early in his rookie year. And he didn't make the mistakes that cost us the game. Yea, he racked up 60 meaningless yards in the final drive... big deal.
Were we going to win the game? No. Were we going to win it with Wallace? No. Were we going to win it with Delhomme? No. Would we have won it with Weeden? No.
There is also the fact that in the two following weeks we put 30 on the Saints and 34 on the Patriots in lopsided victories... was it because Colt was so great? Not really... but it sure made a lot of people feel good and helped Colt's rep.
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I haven't seen Coltmania anywhere, and I live in "Browns" or "Lions" territory.
What I HAVE seen is some Browns fans getting tired of hearing last year's mantra of "Colt sucks. I don't care about a brand new offense, no training camp, no running game, a below average line, and poor receivers........Colt sucks."
"We need a new quarterback. A strong armed passer will force teams to respect our running game, will improve our o line, will give our D rest, will help to eliminate injuries, and with the accuracy, we won't have the drops."
And now we hear "Well, he's just a rookie, playing with other rookies, and he doesn't have TRich, and he's learning, and he made a good throw..........."
2 facedness - that's what most of us get upset about.
And the only comeback those people have is "Well, you're a Colt lover, or Colt apologist", etc.
Due to just a few posters on here, I'm expecting great things from the Browns this year. Not "playoff" great - but huge chunks of yardage, many more points, a better line, receivers will be super improved, more downfield balls, a hugely improved running game...............after all, that's what we've been told would happen with a first round qb.
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Due to just a few posters on here, I'm expecting great things from the Browns this year. Not "playoff" great - but huge chunks of yardage, many more points, a better line, receivers will be super improved, more downfield balls, a hugely improved running game...............after all, that's what we've been told would happen with a first round qb.
For me personally, I know what I hope to see... I have a general feeling about what I need to see to make me feel comfortable with where we are...
but yes, I do understand your point... we have a better, more experienced, OL than we had last year, we have better WRs as a group than we had last year, we have a much better running back than we had last year, we had a full training camp this year, the deep ball should open up the running game, WRs should be seen running around wide open all over the secondary, the receivers shouldn't have drops because of the proper ball placement, there should be no concussions from WRs being led into DBs.... However the defense will be exposed by all of the points we score, other teams will actually be trying to score on us. 
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However the defense will be exposed by all of the points we score, other teams will actually be trying to score on us.
I've never understood this logic. As an NFL player do you not try to score a TD every time you're out on offense? I would never take it easy on the opposing team because I know they would try to blow my team out too. So it doesn't make sense that paid professionals "weren't trying to score on us."
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However the defense will be exposed by all of the points we score, other teams will actually be trying to score on us.
I've never understood this logic. As an NFL player do you not try to score a TD every time you're out on offense? I would never take it easy on the opposing team because I know they would try to blow my team out too. So it doesn't make sense that paid professionals "weren't trying to score on us."
Go back and read the threads on colt - according to SOME on here, the opposing O's were simply trying to not score so they could run time off the clock. According to SOME on here.
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