DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Tailgate Forum BOO! at ESPN for stirring the race card...

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As a matter of fact, Warren was agreeing with Stephen A. Smith, spoke highly of Tebow and only said Tebow's skill set does not match the pro Qb skill set and should continue to improve. Thats it... The only time he spoke about black qbs is that teams before would not change their offensive philosophy based on their skill set vs what Denver did for Tebow. THATS IT!!..

You got it wrong per usual.. Next time try listening before you rant!! Wait. that would require comprehension.

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Way to open up your big mouth and stick your sized size 10 in it.

This is what we refer to as "Foot in Mouth Syndrome."

I said they invited Warren Moon on to take about Luck and RG3. FACT. Read it for yourself:

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Been watching First Take, where they invited Warren Moon to sit in for a conversation about Luck and RG3 along with the regular crew of Stephen A(hole) Smith and Bayless.

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End of sentence, end of topic, then change of topic:

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However, they just HAD to bring up Tebow, and even went so far as to take things to a ridiculous level, which was to pose this pathetic question:

Has Tim Tebow given special considerations that black QB's haven't?

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I didn't say they invited Moon to talk about Racism.

Reading comprehension indeed.

I said Moon has talked about Racism quite a bit in the past.

I said they created a perfect opportunity to talk about racism.

Which is exactly what ESPN, who in this care are Smith and Bayless, are: Employees of ESPN.

Now did they, or did they not, take an opportunity where they invited a black QB who has a history of playing the race-card to discuss QB's, then turned the topic around to talk about racism?

I rest my case.

Of course because you're too busy running around chasing people's tails and nipping at heels like some purse-snuggled dog to get the FACT that my entire point is that it's disgusting that ESPN would take the opportunity to play the race-card when there never was a hint of a need or a thought by anyone outside of ESPN that such a thing had occurred.

As someone so astutely observed, when ESPN does something like this it hurts the universal cause to stop racism. It doesn't help it. But you're too busy trying to look like billy-badass so you missed the actual point.

How embarrassing, especially if you're African American...that you would miss the real target, which is ESPN, just so that you can try to better someone else.

I know who you are.

You're the guy that missed the point. You're the kinda guy that ESPN feeds on.

That's who you are, and that's embarrassing.

Pit,
Did you listen to the interview?? Probably not! Because if you did, you WOULD have heard Moon talk about Black QBs of the past when he was talking about QBs having to change what they could do best vs systems they were put in. Also, remember, ATL and other QBs stated that Vick needed to stay in the pocket more when he came out, to develop his pocket presence. With C.Newton, since he worked with Moon, Newton looked fine in pocket, going through his progression..etc. OR are you saying he didn't do that last year and was running some wild cat offense??

Toad,
your the "racism chaser". You know, the guy who probably hears the word race coming from a someone not white and then starts a rant!!

First, the only time Moon has really talked about race is when he was talking about his career and other black QBs of his era. Are you saying that it did not happen?? Second, he made the news last year because he stated what was painfully obvious, alot the criticism of Newton was not based on his QB skills, but other outside crap!!!.. And just like you and others were proved wrong!

Third, Smith stated that he had nothing against Tebow, just Tebowmania! And more so these coaches putting a kid in a system that will never develop Tebow into a QB( my addidtion) And Moon only stated about Tebow that he has to develop his QB skills.

So a 5 minute interview with one question stirred up the "racism pot"... Puh lease!! Maybe next time comprehend what is being said, then maybe you would have your FACTs correct.

Hey, last week, Bayliss stated that is was natural if you are white to pull for the "white guy". Did anyone rant then, or chase racism?? Or maybe just realized that its Skip Bayliss talking!!

On another Browns board (yeah, I admit it... I like to "chase some strange" every now and then..) they have an emoticon of a li'l dude tossing popcorn into his mouth.

That smiley would be tremendously appropriate in this thread-

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Toad,
your the "racism chaser". You know, the guy who probably hears the word race coming from a someone not white and then starts a rant!!

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What color is Skip Bayless?

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First, the only time Moon has really talked about race is when he was talking about his career and other black QBs of his era.

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WARREN MOON PLAYS THE RACISM CARD ON CAM NEWTON: 2011

Whoopsie-daisy.

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Second, he made the news last year because he stated what was painfully obvious, alot the criticism of Newton was not based on his QB skills, but other outside crap!!!.. And just like you and others were proved wrong!

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What, you're too much of a coward to say it? Go ahead...say it was RACISM that made people downgrade Newton.

But let me tell you about how Moon was idiotic and way off base:

Moon's racism charge is way off base making Moon a failure

When it comes to being a mentor to former Auburn QB Cam Newton, ex-NFL QB Warren Moon is already a failure.

At the first hint of criticism - from Pro Football Weekly's Nolan Nawrocki in the 2011 Draft Preview - Moon took the short-sighted and simplistic approach and cried "racism."

If his domestic violence and DUI arrests from the past didn't already prove it, Moon clearly demonstrated why he is unfit to advise others.

First of all, Nawrocki's criticisms of Newton -- specifically that he is disingenuous and comes off as scripted - are views shared by many NFL scouts. Those are some of the same scouts that Nawrocki and many other draft analysts rely on for information. Those observations are hardly unique. Most knowledgeable football fans saw an honest, well-rounded evaluation of a talented yet polarizing draft prospect, who happens to be black. Moon, who is also black, saw racism.

“I don't see other quarterbacks in the draft being criticized by the media or fans about their smile or called a phony,” Moon said.

That’s because he didn’t look very hard.

Nawrocki was also critical of Arkansas QB Ryan Mallett, who is white. Nawrocki said Mallett is "Immature.” He added that he “Is not a respected leader and character needs to be evaluated very closely. Does not come across well in interviews and must prove his commitment to the game."

But did Mallett's people lodge a ludicrous, unfounded complaint? They did not. But maybe that's just because Mallett's entourage isn't nearly as big as Newton's.

Newton has more advisers, teachers, coaches and mentors than a heavyweight boxing champion. Maybe there’s a reason he needs such a large cast of handlers.

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Third, Smith stated that he had nothing against Tebow, just Tebowmania!

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The greatest irony THIS time is that you ranted against me, stating I had no comprehension. You were proven wrong, that you couldn't even understand what I wrote.

But you couldn't give up, and you've managed to stick your foot in your mouth and look foolish yet again!

Please allow me to quote...myself:

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OverToad: The truly sad part is that I agree with A(hole) Smith when he says he doesn't hate Tebow, but rather he hates Tebowmania.

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And I agreed. Maybe if you'd used your elite comprehension skills you'd have picked up on that.

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So a 5 minute interview with one question stirred up the "racism pot"... Puh lease!!

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Orlando Sentinel: ESPN has heated debate about racism

And another



What's it like in your little bubble of a world where reality doesn't exist except for how you see it?

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Hey, last week, Bayliss stated that is was natural if you are white to pull for the "white guy". Did anyone rant then, or chase racism??

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And if Smith had said it's natural if your black to pull for the black guy nobody would say boo.

And if a cat said it's natural if your a cat to pull for other cats nobody would say anything.

And if a Canadian says it's natural if your Canadian to pull for other Canadians nobody would say anything.

Wanna know why? Because that isn't RACISM.

I'm reminded of a saying...If I try to teach a monkey to fly a rocketship and it can't, should I be mad at the monkey, or mad at myself...

Let me help you out, since you clearly don't even really know what the definition of racism is:

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rac·ism

noun /ˈrāˌsizəm/ 

The belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, esp. so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races

Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on such a belief

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The above sentences don't represent racism.

In my past one of the classes I took was Anthropology. One of the topics we covered spoke of how different people from different regions of the Earth naturally were hesitant to trust people who weren't from the same regions they were, who didn't look like they looked, who didn't have the same cultural values and representations as they did, and who didn't speak the same language. That isn't racism. What Bayless said..........wait for it......wait for it.........wasn't racism. Had Smith said it, it wouldn't have been racism.

Frankly, I don't believe you have a clue exactly what it is you wanna say. I blasted ESPN because they wrongly played the race card. Yet you wanna blast me for...what, exactly? Being racist myself? Specifically against Moon or Smith?

Right.

You've missed time and time again here. You didn't understand what I was talking about the first time, and now you're just spinning away trying to weasel out of it.

Dude, just leave it alone. All you're doing is making yourself look like the southern-most part of a north-bound horse.

I watch the full 2 hour version of First Take almost every day. Apparently I missed this one. I can tell you that Tebow is brought up almost everyday. Last season the topic of Tebow getting a chance when black quarterbacks didn't was a topic many days. There has been a few analysts that have come on the show and flat out said it was racism. I believe Jalen Rose and Kordell Stewart were two of them. I want to say that Stewart hates Tebow by the way he talks. The sports writer out of Detroit ( can't remember his name) has said it as well. Stephen A. Smith and Skip Bayless (who are very good friends) talk about racism is in sports and Skip is very aware of the issue. Smith has on more than one occasion has told people not to get on Skip because he has been a consistent voice against racism for 30 years. I will go as far to say he sees racism where many black athletes don't.

Not sure if any of this pertains to the conversation. just my .02 cents

Your so called links, quotes and lack of logic is funny but yet sad. Your sorry link to some blogger is just that. Hey tell ya what, look at this link:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/bl...ition?urn=ncaaf,wp366

The money quote that sums it all up about YOUR ARTICLE:
And Steve Wyche of NFL.com! Oh, sweet, gullible Steve Wyche. What were you thinking when you reported last week that Newton's "character issues" are a nonissue with a growing number of teams?

There seems to be a lot more positive chatter recently regarding Auburn quarterback Cam Newton. I've spoken to several personnel evaluators and coaches who believe Newton has weathered questions about his character and now teams are paying much more attention to the football player and his potential.

"I think a lot of people are starting to realize that Cam Newton is a pretty good player and has some things that not a lot of other people do," one general manager told me.

So, anonymous general manager, now you're actually suggesting to NFL.com readers and Nolan Nawrocki and the entire football-loving free world that a record of succeeding wildly at a high level while possessing a startling combination of physical assets that other prospects do not possess might have as much to do with success as the nebulous spin of strangers who task themselves with checking off the box marked "scripted" instead of "prepared" and "plays to the cameras" instead of "media savvy" after maybe — at most — 30 minutes of face time, then making up whatever they feel is probably true to fill out the rest? What draft guide have you been reading?


HAHAHA.. Hey, by the way, how did that Newton kid play last year??? I wonder who does that make right, Moon or your author or you...HAHAHAHA...

Now that I have established that, in the link YOU PROVIDED from the first take show, one of the panelist said it best, " just because you are talking about a racial issue is NOT Racism". And again, what part of what was actually stated was in error?? What part of what Warren Moon stated was wrong?? Look at the statements of Hugh Douglas, who admits he was not looking from the racial side but understood why older QBs felt like that... Oh yea, that would require actually listening to what was stated.

But then again, when you lack basic comprehension its not that hard to see why "any talk of a racial issue sounds like bringing up racism"... Maybe its just bringing up facts!.. Naw, you don't like facts.. Just typing and ranting...

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HAHAHA.. Hey, by the way, how did that Newton kid play last year??? I wonder who does that make right, Moon or your author or you...HAHAHAHA...

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Are you 4?

You think this is about Newton? You honestly believe this has anything to do with Newton?

Newton is immaterial to this entire discussion. He's not the subject matter.

I AM trying to teach a monkey how to fly a rocketship...

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What part of what Warren Moon stated was wrong??

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Moon played the race card. Evaluators in the NFL didn't like Newton's character. They didn't give a crap about his race. That's where he was wrong.

Now, you're the only one here that doesn't get it. These nonsensical, meandering, misguided attempts to debate...what I have no idea...are showing a level of ineptitude and ignorance that are no longer worth wasting time with. I'm past my days of arguing for the sake of arguing, especially when it's a guy like me arguing against racism with a guy like you. Really, the fact you haven't been able to stay on the subject matter, or even comprehend it, are pretty-much doing what I blasted ESPN for doing, which is to water down the topic to the point where it devalues the discussion of racism.

This is far too important for me to allow that to happen.

I'm done. Continuing with this puts me on the same infantile level as you, and I'm not about to stoop to that. Feel free to have the last word...