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Pat McManamon of FOX Sports Ohio reports that the Cleveland Browns have released quarterback Seneca Wallace. The move clears $2.4 million in salary. Despite some hard feelings on the part of incumbent quarterback Colt McCoy after the Browns drafted Brandon Weeden in the first round, McCoy appears to have been kept over Wallace as Weeden’s primary backup. McCoy is owed minimum base salaries and cheaper than Wallace. The Browns also look to be keeping Thaddeus Lewis as a third-string quarterback. No quarterback depth chart in the league is as cost effective as the Browns’. They will hope the on-field product is effective, as well. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/08/31/browns-part-with-seneca-wallace/
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Glad to see it, if for no other reason than to stick it in the craw of La Familia McCoy here in Austin.  At least the McCoy brothers now have something in common: Their place on the bench for their respective teams. 
He was my personal choice to retain as the backup. In spite of my belief that Wallace is the better player, McCoy is still at the point in his career where he should get better, even though his ceiling is only so high. Wallace, on the other hand, is probably only going to get worse.
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with the Feeley rumors flying McCoy could still be out of cleveland... don't think his position would change on the bench, just a new bench...
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Trade winds must be a blowin'...
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yep - probably smoke, but it's fun to talk about 
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My sources tell me we're trading McCoy in a 3 team trade that will bring us both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in exchange for Colt McCoy and half of Oniel Cousins.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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My sources tell me we're trading McCoy in a 3 team trade that will bring us both Aaron Rodgers and Drew Brees in exchange for Colt McCoy and half of Oniel Cousins.
wait wait wait whoa whoa whoa
which half?
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Kinda surprised .... kinda not.
I don't think that our QB spot is finalized yet.
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Wallace was just going through the motions...for a guy playing for 1.5mil (difference between what he would have gotten here and the minimum he'll make soon) I saw 0 effort....we had to him cut for THIS reason alone
That said, I think yall are underestimating the damage keeping McCoy can do.
Toad, you really think if Weeden sucks that the fanbsae would cry for Wallace the same way it would for Colt? Cmon man...
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If Weeden sucks, they'll cry for whatever backup QB is there....then they'll want Holmgren's head on a platter.
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Wallace was just going through the motions...for a guy playing for 1.5mil (difference between what he would have gotten here and the minimum he'll make soon) I saw 0 effort....we had to him cut for THIS reason alone
That said, I think yall are underestimating the damage keeping McCoy can do.
Toad, you really think if Weeden sucks that the fanbsae would cry for Wallace the same way it would for Colt? Cmon man...
Key phrase being "if Weeden sucks".
We could have Drew Brees as the starter - if he sucked, people would be calling for ANY back up.
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maybe he just wanted to be GB's backup and he's made enough money that it wasn't a big deal to him
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That said, I think yall are underestimating the damage keeping McCoy can do.
We 'all think you are, as usual, making a mountain out of a mole hill. If McCoy is as disposable as the likes of you and YTown say he is, we can dump him at a moment's notice if any REAL issue arises with his presence on the roster.
Besides, we may not be done yet. Let's wait and see what happens once all the camp cuts are made. Colt may yet get jettisoned if a better option becomes available.
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If Weeden sucks that bad, why does it matter who the fanbase is clamoring for? The loud clamor of them calling for Shurmur and/or Heckert and/or Holmgren will probably drown out any concern over who they are calling for to start at QB...
Not to you Django but is it just me or does it seem like a lot of the people that were so high on Weeden for so long are now really afraid he's going to look pretty bad? So many people were so sure that he was an immediate upgrade... they now seem to be preparing for something less than that.... Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
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I think that he's going to be an improvement. I think that we're going to have some struggles with so many rookies and 2nd year players on offense as we experience growing pains, but I think that the offense will be improved, and far more explosive.
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That's the yo-yo effective of pre-season optimism giving way to the perception of the last pre-season game and all the realities setting in that he's going to play like a rookie QB.
Nah, couldn't be. I mean afterall...the fans are always level-headed, even-keeled, and not prone to small-picture judgments over long-term, realistic prognosis', right? 
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Coulda used that one for the past decade plus, huh? 
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If Weeden sucks that bad, why does it matter who the fanbase is clamoring for? The loud clamor of them calling for Shurmur and/or Heckert and/or Holmgren will probably drown out any concern over who they are calling for to start at QB...
Not to you Django but is it just me or does it seem like a lot of the people that were so high on Weeden for so long are now really afraid he's going to look pretty bad? So many people were so sure that he was an immediate upgrade... they now seem to be preparing for something less than that.... Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Not sure if there was anyone else who wanted Weeden pre-draft AND pre-RG3 trade up botch....I think Im pretty alone on that bandwagon, but again, I've said all along that he's a 50-50 roll of the dice.
I don't fear that he won't be an upgrade to Colt, we have already seen in preseason and TC that he IS, which isn't saying much since it was pretty much impossible to look more harmless than Colt at the helm...my McCoy-mania fear still remains since Weeden WILL have ugly games, because of his style and being a rook and whoever thinks that it doesnt make a difference of (at least) TIME whether Colt or another backup is on the bench is being naive at best..the boo birds will come out MUCH earlier and quicker...and THAT'S the damaging part I'm talking about....
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Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Can you tell me one rookie QB that has never started a game in the NFL that isn't better "on down the road"?
Peyton Manning maybe?
How about John Elway?
Do you even hear yourself?
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If Weeden sucks that bad, why does it matter who the fanbase is clamoring for?
Hot mess QB contraversy in Cleveland no later than week four.
PM me if you'd like to wager...
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Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Can you tell me one rookie QB that has never started a game in the NFL that isn't better "on down the road"?
Peyton Manning maybe?
How about John Elway?
Do you even hear yourself?
Toss Eli Manning into that, he took years to develop....
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Next year all of this will be moot point when we have the #1magical pick of next year's draft and pick the top QB of the draft. Then everyone who wants McCoy gone will get their wish. There's a strong possibility that our new head coach won't be thrilled with Weeden or McCoy.
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Can you tell me one rookie QB that has never started a game in the NFL that isn't better "on down the road"?
Jamarcus Russell?
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Akili Smith
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Tim Tebow, so far.
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Not to you Django but is it just me or does it seem like a lot of the people that were so high on Weeden for so long are now really afraid he's going to look pretty bad?
I don't understand the problem here. Of course he's going to look bad at first.. it's damn near a given. I mean come on, he's a rookie NFL QB in a system he's not been in with some Key talent around him that isn't proven yet.
I wouldn't be surprised if Luck and RG3 struggle from time to time as well,
This I know for sure, if we don't protect Weeden, if we don't have a running attack, if we don't have receivers that catch what hits them in the hands,, we won't win. And that's gonna cause fan anger.
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giving way to the perception of the last pre-season game and all the realities setting in that he's going to play like a rookie QB.
People keep saying this as if all rookies look the same.... Cam Newton, Andy Dalton, Jamarcus Russell, Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez, Blaine Gabbert, Christian Ponder, Colt McCoy.... and that's just recently..... There is a WIDE spectrum of what a rookie QB can look like so to say he's going to "look like a rookie" leaves it pretty wide open for him to look like anything from Cam Newton or Andy Dalton to Jamarcus Russell and everybody can say see, "He looks like a rookie" That was the thought behind my comment that Weeden, fair or unfair, is going to be compared to Luck, RGIII, Tannehill, Wilson and those rookies from the last couple years........
Those guys all had different circumstances, some better, some worse than what Weeden is walking into.... so it will not surprise me at all, when there is a year long debate on where Weeden falls in that spectrum of recent rookie QBs...
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Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Can you tell me one rookie QB that has never started a game in the NFL that isn't better "on down the road"?
Peyton Manning maybe?
How about John Elway?
Do you even hear yourself?
Yes I hear myself, then I see the ridiculousness that you post to it as if you didn't even read it. I swear you should work for CNN, your ability to chop 10 words out of a post and respond to it in a completely different context is amazing.
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Yes I hear myself, then I see the ridiculousness that you post to it as if you didn't even read it. I swear you should work for CNN, your ability to chop 10 words out of a post and respond to it in a completely different context is amazing.
Since I chop so good, maybe the food network would be more appropriate? Either gig would be a pretty cushy job and pay well. I'll take it!
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So many people were so sure that he was an immediate upgrade... they now seem to be preparing for something less than that.... Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
So who are "all these people" that stated Weeden would be a world beater in a few weeks as you suggest? Or by "immediate" are you speaking in terms of week 1 now? I'd sure be interested in knowing that one myself.
Cause you seem to aim a lot of that in my direction in some of our other discussions and I've held pretty firm for years that you have to give a QB a full season before you know how his progress is going and or how fast it's going.
Accept for Couch. I saw him play a game when I went to Tenn, that was amazing and just couldn't seem to let go of the idea he had it in him to play that way with more consistancy. But I was wrong about that.....
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Glad to see it, if for no other reason than to stick it in the craw of La Familia McCoy here in Austin. At least the McCoy brothers now have something in common: Their place on the bench for their respective teams.
He was my personal choice to retain as the backup. In spite of my belief that Wallace is the better player, McCoy is still at the point in his career where he should get better, even though his ceiling is only so high. Wallace, on the other hand, is probably only going to get worse.
I think it is because they see Thad Lewis as the long term back-up of the Browns and Colt as being the best prospect to trade.
Wallace got bumped because of Lewis.....not the Colt.
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If Weeden sucks that bad, why does it matter who the fanbase is clamoring for? The loud clamor of them calling for Shurmur and/or Heckert and/or Holmgren will probably drown out any concern over who they are calling for to start at QB...
Not to you Django but is it just me or does it seem like a lot of the people that were so high on Weeden for so long are now really afraid he's going to look pretty bad? So many people were so sure that he was an immediate upgrade... they now seem to be preparing for something less than that.... Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Weeden has to take the Browns to the playoffs THIS year! Nothing else is acceptable. Considering the tools that he's been given to succeed (Richardson, Schwartz, Benjamin, Gordon, etc.), failure is not an option.
In my view, they kept Hardesty for no other reason than the fact that they won't admit to making a tragic mistake with that 2nd round pick. There is only one other explanation, but it's a far-fetched one, and that is that they hope to trade him and recoup something from it.
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I think that he's going to be an improvement. I think that we're going to have some struggles with so many rookies and 2nd year players on offense as we experience growing pains, but I think that the offense will be improved, and far more explosive.
With the statuesque Weeden under center? I think it's going to be Tim Couch all over again (50+ sacks every year) but with better talent.
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Most people would predict that the Browns will win 4 to 7 games.
The question then becomes how well did Weeden play the position?
Right now we can only speculate.
I am not often a "what if" guy but the Browns have many questions to answer and quarterback play is the biggest of all questions.
The Browns drafting of Weeden in the first round was considered by most people a questionable pick at the point he was drafted. No matter. Now he is with the team and has been given the starting job.
If his performance is poor to mediocre and the Browns say pick in the top 8. The question becomes should they draft a quarterback with their first round pick?
Weeden is 29 this year. If he does not show the promise that is expected from a first round pick in my opinion yes, they should draft the best QB in the draft and trade up if necessary to get him.
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I think that he's going to be an improvement. I think that we're going to have some struggles with so many rookies and 2nd year players on offense as we experience growing pains, but I think that the offense will be improved, and far more explosive.
With the statuesque Weeden under center? I think it's going to be Tim Couch all over again (50+ sacks every year) but with better talent.
DA was the definition of a statue under center and he didn't get sacked 50 times total in his 4 years here (39 games).
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If Weeden sucks, they'll cry for whatever backup QB is there....then they'll want Holmgren's head on a platter.
I already want Holmgren's head on a platter...and Shurmur's head too! I've called for Randy Lerner to sell the team and I got that!
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Now it's all about, "Well he'll be a lot better down the road."
Can you tell me one rookie QB that has never started a game in the NFL that isn't better "on down the road"?
Peyton Manning maybe?
How about John Elway?
Do you even hear yourself?
You've both hit and missed his point at the same time.
DC's point, as I understood it, was that Weeden's defenders are tempering their enthusiasm about him with the argument that he'll improve over time, even if he isn't the immediate upgrade that they were telling us that he was when he was drafted.
As I see it, Weeden is comparatively old. Even now, he's older than Colt (who has more NFL experience than Weeden) and I don't think that you can teach this 'old dawg' any new tricks and that his selection has set this team back another 3-5 years.
I hope that I'll be proved wrong and that Weeden is 'the One' and leads the Browns to the playoffs and to the Super Bowl. I just don't think it's going to happen in anyone's lifetime.
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This I know for sure, if we don't protect Weeden, if we don't have a running attack, if we don't have receivers that catch what hits them in the hands,, we won't win. And that's gonna cause fan anger.
And you'll have Weeden defenders saying exactly what those of us that said that Colt McCoy has the talent but that success eludes because of the horrific talent level surrounding him.
McCoy was 2-5 in the final game. I wasn't able to watch, but I listened on WMMS over the interwebs. Two of the passes, as it was described, were dropped by the receivers and that the INT was another were the receiver (Jordan Norwood) may have caused the turnover. I haven't had a chance yet to watch the game. Set to record it tonight though.
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