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Since we're not looking like a playoff team, I'm curious why you feel that bringing in Green would then not be a good choice, but would rather go with Carr?

Neither guy is going to cost a 1st day selection.

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A 2nd rounder for Green.............That's steep, but on a team looking to win the Super Bowl NOW, they'll have to go there unless they want to throw the dice on Culpepper.

If I was Trent Green, I'd tell the Fish to go PHish themselves.

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FINS STILL SNIFFING AROUND GREEN

Gred Bedard of he Palm Beach Post reports that the Dolphins and the Chiefs are still working toward a trade that would send quarterback Trent Green to Miami. The only sticking point? Green's pay in 2007.

He's due to receive $7.2 million, $7.7 million, and $9.2 million in base salaries over the next three seasons. The Fins want to pay him far less than that. Per Bedard, the two sides are "in the same ballpark."

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the seventh-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. [Editor's note: A prior version of this story incorrectly said that the Fins would send a second-round pick to the Chiefs. We regret the error.]

The acquisition of Green could mean the end of the road for quarterback Daunte Culpepper in Miami, who was acquired from Minnesota last year for the Dolphins' second-round pick in the 2006 draft.

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I thought a 2nd rounder was painfully high for Green. That appears to be correct:

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FINS STILL SNIFFING AROUND GREEN

Gred Bedard of he Palm Beach Post reports that the Dolphins and the Chiefs are still working toward a trade that would send quarterback Trent Green to Miami. The only sticking point? Green's pay in 2007.

He's due to receive $7.2 million, $7.7 million, and $9.2 million in base salaries over the next three seasons. The Fins want to pay him far less than that. Per Bedard, the two sides are "in the same ballpark."

Under the deal, the Fins would send to Kansas City the seventh-round pick that Miami received from the Patriots as part of the Wes Welker trade. [Editor's note: A prior version of this story incorrectly said that the Fins would send a second-round pick to the Chiefs. We regret the error.]

The acquisition of Green could mean the end of the road for quarterback Daunte Culpepper in Miami, who was acquired from Minnesota last year for the Dolphins' second-round pick in the 2006 draft.

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C'mon Savage. You're not willing to give a 2nd day pick........perhaps only a 5th or 6th rounder.........to the Chiefs? For a QB who's better than anything we've had for more than a decade?

Use your head. Anderson isn't a viable option. You know it now. Frye is teetering on the edge of spending the rest of his career as "the gutsy backup" and you can't afford to BUST your #1 pick on a QB.

Think about it.............

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3) Drafting a QB instantly lowers whatever inflated expectations there are on this season. Perhaps it saves Romeo (and possibly Phil's) job(s)?

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I said something like this before, and I think it would enable them to stay another year...I do like Frye, and Carr, and really anyone in the top 10 look good to me.

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And what if we never get a QB? How long does RAC get? 10 years?

Doesn't work that way, hehe.

This is RAC's last shot. If he doesn't keep the team at least pushing .500 at midseason he's toast, and rightfully so.

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I would think RAC does only have this year to prove himself as a true head coach, and I would think the Browns will look for his replacement if he does not make an improvement. I had said (Ammo as well) that if they bring in a new QB rookie, and still are not able to win many games, BUT the new QB is able to prove he is the real deal Franchise QB just he looks like a rookie and makes rookie mistakes, the media and fan base might give RAC a pass this year. Giving Phil a chance to hold onto him without that much explanation needed, other then "The Kids a rookie, but boy did he come on strong at the end"

Yes this is unlikely and has a very small chance of working, and if some games look like last year as if they were lost out there, then Yes RAC will be gone. {Am I wrong, but most of games when we always looked lost out there was when MO was still around? jmho.}

So honestly Toad, what do you think of RAC's ability as head coach?
I still think he could be very good, just from the things he says about players and team work, but I know nothing about game planning. So I could be talking out my backside...

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Talking out your backside? We all do that to some extent far more often than we'd care to admit

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Are you talking about GM again Toad????

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Now I don't have to worry about us giving up a high draft choice for him

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Wow! I was thinking that this was the type of deal that we would have to make on draft day. Maybe Phil wants Carr more than Shaub and will wait for his release. This kills any deals with Houston for Brady or Peterson (they have no more picks lol); However, maybe we can get a Real Sweet Deal with Atlanta for Calvin Johnson to get ahead of Tampa Bay!!! JMHO Go Brownies!!!

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SO for today, Why can't the Browns FO be thinking that he's the GUY?

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The obvious answer is that the FO "could" be thinking he's the guy, in fact they keep saying it over and over.

We'll find out on Draft Day just how much they mean it.

I think most the skeptics on Charlie have just noticed some significant gaps in his game. First and foremost IMO is his arm. He lacks the ability to put zip on his throws when on the move. In this league you have to be Very special to be a good QB without a strong arm. All the best QB's have it:

Manning
Brady
Cutler
Rivers
Romo
Manning
McNabb
Vick
Brees
Bulgur
Leftwich
McNair
Hasselbeck

Sure, Joe Montana didn't have a gun, but he was magic in every other way. Frye has yet to show the magic.

Can you really say that Frye has from time to time taken over a game? That he's frustrated a defense? (other than ours )

Few of us are out to "tear Charlie down" but we recognize that it's a position that is goin to need an upgrade in the very near future if this team is going to be a better than .500 club.

But the FO may totally disagree as you've pointed out. After all Savage has a long history of liking the wrong QB (Dilfer, Redmond, Boller, Frye, Andersen, etc).

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First and foremost IMO is his arm. He lacks the ability to put zip on his throws

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Charlie dosent posses a Brett Farve gun arm, but remember to get zip on the ball, one has to be able to step up into their throw to get zip, when your always throwing off your back foot or as your going down, dosent give you the chance to get zip on any throws,

I do honestly believe Phil realizes two things,
1. Charlie deserves a chance to prove his worth behind this 2007 O-line.
2. We have other just as important needs that need addressed in this years draft other than QB. just as some are saying next year is the year of the RB, Draft Joe Thomas this year and our RB next,. Well next Years draft will once again bring two - three cant miss franchise QB's, the newest, latest & greatest 2008 modles of overhypeness ( Is that a word) the media can sell.

we wont draft a QB Phil will select A.Peterson, Joe Thomas, or trade out of the # 3 pick, either way nothing will happen until were on the clock and Phil sqeezes every inch of value from that # 3 pick.

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got some time.

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key words there.....

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got some time.

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key words there.....

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There were many drives he had plenty of time to plant and step into a throw..and he was off or he tiped off a defender who jumped the route..
Now I'm going to tick some people off , but so what?
If Opie doesn't get Quinn..he better get a vet QB ...well he better do that regardless.
If we go into the season with Frye as the # 1 guy there better be someone in here who can take over when he bogs down..and he will bog down..

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got some time.

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key words there.....

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Exactly... like some other person said before.. when Frye has the time to plant his foot.. he can throw that thAng..

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Why Dillpickle?
I think Green is the better fit..now that doesn't mean there can't be another QB..he's the one I thought of.

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There were many drives he had plenty of time to plant and step into a throw..

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There were many drives he had plenty of time to plant and step into a throw

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Now why did "stretch" Armstrong just pop into my head

For the life of me, I can't figure out why people think Charlie is a finished project One full year of starting behind a bad O-line, with TWO different offensive cords. and at least one starting WR who ran bad or wrong routes, and had Roberto Duran hands

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You fell into the same trap most do

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No I didn't. The trap is the one I pointed out when Frye was drafted. The trap of throwing a young guy in the fire before he was ready, behind a bad O-line, then calling for his head if he didn't look great. Thats something an average fan who doesn't pay attention to the NFL game does