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I think that Chilly will be a help with that, as the season progresses. Shurmer would be a fool to not take help and advice... after all, he wants to keep his job like anyone else.
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Weeden is raw but I seriously question if this coaching staff has the know how to polish him or the ability to coach him up.
We have a lot of good coaches on this team. I think the real question is Shurmur ready to be a head coach. I questioned that last year, too, i think he is play-calling because that's all he knows. Why didnt he script for Weeden??
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I dont but he sure did call a lot of plays off his sheet that i saw. And guys appeared to be waiting for those plays.
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I dont but he sure did call a lot of plays off his sheet that i saw. And guys appeared to be waiting for those plays.
Your grasping at straw's here buddy. Short of the Superbowl, no game receives more preparation and planning than the first of the year.
The browns have qualified coaches. You can rest assured at this level, a game plan was implemented and all the i's were dotted and the t's crossed heading into Sunday. Everyone needs to accept that at the end of the day, players have to play, and coaches have to coach. The Brown's cannot find a QB. A head coach will stick in Cleve and be lauded as a genius when who ever is making personnel decisions hit's on a franchise QB.
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Brandon Weeden on his struggling debut: 'I know I played bad'By Mary Kay Cabot, The Plain Dealer September 13, 2012 at 8:20 AM BEREA, Ohio -- Brandon Weeden hasn't glanced at Twitter, even with one eye shut, read the papers, listened to sports talk radio or watched SportsCenter highlights since his four-interception NFL debut. "I know I played bad, so I'm not going to sit here and listen to anybody," said Weeden. "These guys in this locker room, they've got my back and that's really all I care about. I don't need the nation to tell me how bad I played." Just to be certain that it was as bad as he thought, Weeden came in early Monday morning and watched the film of the 17-16 loss to the Eagles three times. "Two times too many," he said. But after the non-charming third viewing, he deep-sixed the tape. "I'll never watch that film again," he said. "It's over and done with. If you dwell on it, it will affect you the rest of the week and you can't do that. I learned from it, and I've got to play better." The one silver lining is that he can only go up from here. Weeden and his 5.1 rating are dead-last in the NFL, one notch below fellow rookie Ryan Tannehill (39.0) and a few spots behind No. 1 pick Andrew Luck, who's 28th with a 52.9. "It can't be any worse than it was the first week," Weeden said of his restored confidence heading into Cincinnati this week. "I mean that jokingly. We're all going to have rough stretches. Obviously, mine was the first week. I look at the mistakes I made, and you guys saw 'em. Guys were wide open and I missed 'em. That's not my character, not the way I usually throw the football." Weeden, who said he never played that poorly for an entire game before, sought refuge in the company of family and friends. "I didn't go home and watch football, I can promise you that," he said. "I had a unch of people in town. My parents are supportive. They were like, 'Brandon, it's going to get better.' It's nice having those people around -- even though I am a little bit older (28) and I should be able to handle it." Weeden arose early Monday, ready to face the music. When he got to the team facility, coach Pat Shurmur assured him he was still his guy, and General Manager Tom Heckert echoed it. "It's one bad game," Weeden said. "If I continue to do bad things, that's on me. I think they have a lot of confidence in me and my abilities and they wouldn't have named me the starter if they didn't. "I've just got to prove to them that I'm the guy. When it's all said and done and you drop the helmet, you've got to play better." Weeden also spent a large chunk of Monday apologizing to his defense, which supplied him with five takeaways – 25 percent of last year's total. "I've told the defense over and over until I'm blue in the face -- they should've won us that football game," he said. "That made me feel worse than anything. They played so well, I've got to help them out, make a play here and there to give us a win. Everybody's talking about [the Eagles] going to the Super Bowl and we were a couple of plays away and that was all our defense." Weeden still can't believe he was so erratic, missing Mohamed Massaquoi and Alex Smith by a mile in the end zone and Massaquoi down the sideline. "That [first] one was just adrenaline," he said. "A couple of them were my feet. I got pressure, I had to slide up on one and got hit, kinda high-lowed, kinda saw the guy dive at my feet, so it just caused me to throw it. The other one, [I just wasn't] sound in my footwork. Just not getting my feet underneath me and being able to step into throws and throw them accurately. "It's not something I'm happy about. Hopefully we can fix it moving forward." He acknowledged his chemistry with Greg Little is a work in progress. Weeden hit Little in the hands near the goal-line and it glanced off for an eventual interception. "We're not where we need to be yet," said Weeden. "Fortunately there's a lot of football left to fix those mistakes." Little and rookie Travis Benjamin, who had two passes for him intercepted by Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, acknowledged they have to help more. "I should've caught that pass," said Little. Said Benjamin, "I learned I have to help Brandon out. I've got to fight for the ball and knock it down." Bengals coach Marvin Lewis cautioned his defense that Weeden is better than his stats indicate. "I didn't think he played nearly as bad as I guess the criticism he's getting," said Lewis. "Sometimes the ball just goes the other way." But the gunslinger isn't about to let the debacle deter him. "Oh yeah, I'm taking shots," he said. "Don't worry about that."
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Exactly what I'd expect him to say. Good. Now get after it Brandon. I don't know if you have what it takes to be a franchise QB, but I'm certain you're much better than what we saw last Sunday. Calm down and just go play some football. 
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"I didn't go home and watch football, I can promise you that," he said. "I had a bunch of people in town. My parents are supportive. They were like, 'Brandon, it's going to get better.' It's nice having those people around -- even though I am a little bit older (28) and I should be able to handle it."
We've just dispelled one of the myth's pedaled to us by Holmgren, which is that Weeden's age is an asset. It never was, and Weeden just admitted to it.
So, to repeat something I said when we drafted him, you gotta throw his age out the window when evaluating him. All that matters is the offense he came from, and the fact he's a rookie. If he was ready to start, you start him, but if he's not, you don't.
One game won't tell you if he's ready to start. If he continues over the next couple of games and looks like that...
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Help me understand how a guy has his first start in the NFL, blows it big time, admits he enjoyed having his family around after the game for support.. and that somehow shows his maturity is not an asset? I think you are reaching.
Just out of curiosity, what would have shown his maturity was an asset? If he had gone immediately to the film room? If he had gone on a 2 day bender? If he had gone home and locked himself in the bedroom? If he had gone home and beaten his wife?
I don't get the connection you are trying to make...
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Help me understand how a guy has his first start in the NFL, blows it big time, admits he enjoyed having his family around after the game for support.. and that somehow shows his maturity is not an asset? I think you are reaching.
Understatement.
Wow!
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DC and PPE, there is hope for you guys yet.  Get with your doctor and get a subscription for that Battered Fan Syndrome. You guys aren't too far gone. There are no amount of milligrams that will help Toad.
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j/c Here are my thoughts on Weeden... 1. He should have never been proclaimed the starter. We should have sat him on the bench for the first few weeks (6) of the season and let Colt run the show. (good or bad) Let Weeden have the game slow down and watch from the sidelines. 2. I wish we would have waited another year to get our QB of the future. We have too many needs (still) and we could have used that pick to fill another hole. Moot Point because the is the starting QB. 3. He is overwhelmed right now and looks so lost that a GPS wouldn't help him find his way right now. 4. He has potential to be a great QB- if we don't destroy him. He also has some major flaws... 5. Most important- We always find a way to destroy QB's and he needs to be mentally strong 6. All of his scouting reports pre-draft reports have been- Potential to be great but has a lot of negatives that he will probably never overcome such as: Long throwing motion Poor footwork- throws off his back foot way too much Turnover prone- Makes dangerous throws over the middle of the field when he is too late to feel incoming pressure Crumbles under pressure 29 as a rookie and will need 2-3 years to develop Exploited terrible defenses on a weekly basis Primarily in shotgun; rarely took snaps from under center Often sails the ball over his receiver’s heads but was the beneficiary of having a very good set of receivers who will bail him out. Product of the system Lacks field vision Not much of an athlete Never asked to go through a natural progression as a result he consistently locks onto receivers, most of his routes are timing routes and he'll stare down his target rather than baiting corners with his eyes Never had a playbook in college •Injury concerns- Has suffered Torn Labrum also ruptured tendon in his throwing hand •Offense at Oklahoma State is not anything like an NFL Offense. Concepts were very simple, oftentimes just reading 1 defender With were we are today (since we can't change the draft) here is some fat to chew on... took parts of the article by Steve Doerschuk http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1107518935/Weeden-vs-Spergon-WynnThe only thing consistent about the kid (weeden) has been his final passing yards number. He threw for 118 yards at Green Bay, 117 yards in the preseason game against Philly, 118 yards in Sunday’s stinker. One alarming number from the opener is 210 yards in total offense. In 2011, with no offseason to fall back on, the offense put up 285 yards in the opener against the Bengals. In Col McCoy’s 13 starts, the 2011 offense fell below 265 yards just once, managing just 172 yards at Houston. Suppose Sunday’s first half had ended the way halves of that sort usually do, with an incomplete Weeden pass traveling 65 yards in the air. Instead, it ended with an odd scramble on which Weeden ran harmlessly for 25 yards. Subtract those 25 yards and the offense’s final tally was 185. Not that Weeden has exhibited any prolonged stretches of stellar work. His best work through three preseason games was on Aug. 16 at Green Bay, when he put up a 76.7 rating, didn’t throw a pick and didn’t fumble. In two appearances against the Eagles and a game at Detroit, he fumbled a combined five times. You wonder if a sequence like that would give a guy the fumbling yips. You know ... hanging on to the ball is as easy as making a three-foot putt, but ... Three picks isn’t bad. It’s real bad. Four picks is beyond bad. Let’s remember that one of Brandon Weeden’s four picks was one of his best throws of the day, under pressure over the middle right to the part of the body part that dissects one’s body. That would be the neck. Weeden’s strike hit Little on the neck. We can fairly assume the actual intent was to hit the hands.
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If he would have had the common sense to put his hands in front of his neck, he would have caught the ball. 
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My thoughts are this: We've now seen the starting point - this is definitely the low-water mark; everybody just needs to buckle up and sit back and watch over the next couple of weeks. If we see progress and improvement, we all get to jump up and yell "Huzzah!". If not, well.... nothing will make it better, so just turn off the TV and find something else to do on Sundays. 
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After all these years of self abuse, I can't tear myself away on Sundays! It's an affliction and addiction! 
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After all these years of self abuse, I can't tear myself away on Sundays! It's an affliction and addiction!
I can't tear myself away on Sundays, either.
I do, however, watch the game with a less intense attitude.
5 years ago, I wouldn't get up for another beer unless it was a commercial.
This year? We're in the red zone? Who cares, my beer is empty. To the fridge I go!
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This year? We're in the red zone? Who cares, my beer is empty. To the fridge I go!
you can't stay on your couch for 5 minutes a week for our 1 red zone drive?
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Nope. Coming back and going "Huh, we turned it over" is a lot more enjoyable than actually watching it.
Last year during the Rams game, I did something I had never done .... I took a nap during the game.
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I view them differently myself. But I do think my age has something to do with that. I'm a little more realistic now. I knew going into this year it would be ugly at least early on. I didn't think Weeden would look good this early, but I also didn't think he would look that bad. I know even if Weeden does look better, we have a need at the G position, and with Shwartz being a rookie, our OL may begin to look average, but I don't expect it to actually look good especialy with our schedule. We have so many rookies on the field, I do feel the last four games of the season will give us a better feel of what we do and don't have. So at this point, I simply DVR the games and will be looking for signs of progress as the season goes on. Even at the age of 45 I didn't look at things that way. I bought into the hype and and the latest line of BS our FO was selling at least to some degree. I expected "resluts now" no matter the reality of the circumstances. I don't blame this FO for the first 11 years that were done by others and try to lump it all together as one. They have shown a better degree of assembling talent that everyone else before them combined IMO. So I have been able to seperate those things based on the facts, not emotions. But over the past eight years I've been much more able to seperate things. To understand that an NFL team is simply a corporation trying to sell a product. That every FO in this league predicts good fortune because they have a product to sell to their fan base. That these corporations have no real loyalty to a fan base, just to profit margins. If that sounds a little smug, just look at how much salary cap was left unspendt by so many teams in the league. While I don't always agree with Toad, actually a LOT of the time I don't agree with Toad.... But he has pointed out a G or two we could have signed in the FA market that could have helped us. They have no loyalty to players, only the bottom line. And as such, the players have no sense of loyalty to these teams in return. I don't think there is any such thing as a "slam dunk" when you draft a player. Only potential based on what he has shown in college. Some turn out to be slam dunks, but on draft day they are all a gamble to one extent or the other. On game day, I know what I'd like to see, what I want to see and what would excite me to see. And no, I'm not refering to porn.  Yet I also fully understand where we are. We are in year one of focusing on our offense after two previous drafts mainly focusing on our defense. I have a somewhat better degree of keeping things in perspective IMO. Some call that excuses but the fact of the matter is, that's exactly what's happening here. Those who buy into the hype and expect a bunch of rookies and second year players to start lighting it up right out of the gate have only set themselves up for disapointment. Those suggesting we go back to Colt, want to dwell in the past and not even attempt to move forward because Colt is not the answer and won't be a long term answer here. What we have to find out to move forward is if Weeden will turn out to be the answer. If he isn't, we will have to re-boot at the QB position in a couple of years. It's really that simple. Some would be willing to try to win just a couple of more meaningless games now, draft lower and think of now instead of looking big picture. And until Weeden gets 8-10 starts, nobody can actually say one way or the other if we would even win more games with Colt starting. Colt isn't going to be a franchise QB and we have no idea based on one game whether Weeden will be or not. Knowing Colt isn't going to be our franchise QB, spending more time dwelling in the past does nothing to tell us about the future. I don't make these decisions and guidelines. But this FO has made it perfectly clear by drafting Weeden, that they have already moved on from Colt. That's just the way things are. I do understand that this has upset a lot of people and they have every right to display their feelings on the matter. However, all of the displeasure and angst in the world won't change this. Weeden must play so we know what we do or don't have at the QB position. Only then will we know if we need to re-boot or whether the position has been filled. And despite all of the "I told you so's" after only one game? That's so silly and pre-mature that it has agenda written all over it.  So yes, I too look at the games differently. This offense will have to mature over the next couple of years just the way our defense did. And a lot of the time, especialy early on, it won't be pretty. But then I pretty much knew that before the season started.....
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well, i just have the online replay package, so sundays i can't get to my friends house (w/ directv), i don't even watch the game until 5am Monday morning.
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I agree with pretty much everything you said. Is very close if not spot on to how I felt going into this season.
Funny thing was I was very excited before the game began. I wanted to see how these kids would play against a far better on paper team.
In some regards they exceeded what I expected and in others they looked about what I expected them to look like.
Im sure there are going to be sundays that it all clicks and thats what I cant wait to see.
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Pit, we seem to be on the same page and you pretty much echo my sentiments.
Not much here that I could add, other then maybe something Clem touched on.
Chilly is a great Allie for Coach Shurmur to go along with those here before this year.
With all of this experience in the Coaching staff, I'm pretty confident that the problems with this offence has little to do with Coaching being the problem.
The reality is that, our offence is a year behind the defence in terms of our building process and not even good Coaching is a replacement for experience.
I think that by the 11th game this season the rookies are no longer rookies, some will probably hit that hump and struggle getting over it due to attrition. How they battle through that is something that I look forward to seeing how it all plays out for our Baby Browns.
Many questions will undoubtedly be more apparent then, that we can only speculate on today, including the Coaching staff.
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We've now seen the starting point - this is definitely the low-water mark; everybody just needs to buckle up and sit back and watch over the next couple of weeks.
If we see progress and improvement, we all get to jump up and yell "Huzzah!".
If not, well.... nothing will make it better, so just turn off the TV and find something else to do on Sundays.
When it comes to rookies expect the worst and well if you were expecting the worst from Weeden, he certainly did not disappoint. I think we would have won the game with Colt but I dont see colt with franchise potential and Weeden still has the potential.
I remember Aikman his first year when everyone was clamoring for Walsh. I remember Peyton in his first year. They may not have been as bad as Weeden last week but it was pretty damn close. Let it play out and if he continues like this we will have our choice of QB.
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We've now seen the starting point - this is definitely the low-water mark; everybody just needs to buckle up and sit back and watch over the next couple of weeks.
If we see progress and improvement, we all get to jump up and yell "Huzzah!".
If not, well.... nothing will make it better, so just turn off the TV and find something else to do on Sundays.
When it comes to rookies expect the worst and well if you were expecting the worst from Weeden, he certainly did not disappoint. I think we would have won the game with Colt but I dont see colt with franchise potential and Weeden still has the potential.
I remember Aikman his first year when everyone was clamoring for Walsh. I remember Peyton in his first year. They may not have been as bad as Weeden last week but it was pretty damn close. Let it play out and if he continues like this we will have our choice of QB.
if you go back and look at Aikmen's stats... he wasn't all that great. He just got put on a good team. his best season he only passed for 3445 yards with 23 td's and 14 ints with a passing average of 7.3 yards. (very similar to a QB that everyone bashes)
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Chilly is a great Allie for Coach Shurmur to go along with those here before this year.
With all of this experience in the Coaching staff, I'm pretty confident that the problems with this offence has little to do with Coaching being the problem.
You know, it's funny that you should mention that about Chilly.
We are told by this FO that Shurmer still calls the plays on offense. Yet week after week we see Chilly sitting up there in that booth with the headphones on overlooking the field.
If Shurmer had been doing such a great job calling the plays on offense, then why hire Chilly? And if Chilly has no say in the playcalling, why did they pay him the big $$$ to come here?
I guess the FO MUST be being 100% honest with us here.
Jauron was hired to run the O.
Shurmer was hired to HC, call the O plays and game plan.
Chilly was hired to look pretty in the booth and make our coaching staff look more legit.
But then, what could our FO say? We lost faith in Shurmers ability to play call so we hired Chilly to take over those duties?
Of course we all know that every NFL FO is 100% honest and above board with its fan base!
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You beat the wide 9 by wearing them down by running it up the gut, well we tried it and it did slow their pass rush. WE had receivers running completely free only to have the QB throw it over their heads or wide by 10 yards.
I dont have a problem at all with the playcalling nor with Shurmur. These kids play hard for 60 minutes. He is doing what I expect from the HC.
If you are gonna criticize him for anything, it would be not playing Weeden more but even that may have come down from Holmgren and Heckert.
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I think you all are over reacting. I fully expect the Weedster to improve on his QB rating of 5. He might even double it. I'll bet RG3 doesn't double his.
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You beat the wide 9 by wearing them down by running it up the gut, well we tried it and it did slow their pass rush. WE had receivers running completely free only to have the QB throw it over their heads or wide by 10 yards.
I dont have a problem at all with the playcalling nor with Shurmur. These kids play hard for 60 minutes. He is doing what I expect from the HC.
If you are gonna criticize him for anything, it would be not playing Weeden more but even that may have come down from Holmgren and Heckert.
I don't even believe Shurmer is doing the play calling after last year. If he is, Chilly is nothing but an overpaid consultant.
I think that's just the BS line coming out of Berea!
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I believe that Chilly is very instrumental in the game planing process and coaching the offence in practise. During game time he is another set of eye's for Shumur on offence. Just because the fact the Coach Shurmur is still calling the plays, doesn't mean that Chilly hasn't lightened his load emencly over that of last season. Another thing is that it's easier to call the plays from down on the field, rather then up in the booth as a coordinator and you still need to relay/communicate with someone on the side lines. It stands to reason that if you have the plays initiated down on the field, that your communication is going to be more efficient use of your time allotted.
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You beat the wide 9 by wearing them down by running it up the gut, well we tried it and it did slow their pass rush. WE had receivers running completely free only to have the QB throw it over their heads or wide by 10 yards.
I dont have a problem at all with the playcalling nor with Shurmur. These kids play hard for 60 minutes. He is doing what I expect from the HC.
If you are gonna criticize him for anything, it would be not playing Weeden more but even that may have come down from Holmgren and Heckert.
I don't even believe Shurmer is doing the play calling after last year. If he is, Chilly is nothing but an overpaid consultant.
I think that's just the BS line coming out of Berea!
Im not sure what scares me more. If your correct Shurmur having his head buried in that play sheet trying to find the play Chilly is calling or Shurmur looking for a play to call.
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LOL, well I'm sure that Chilly has his copy of the game plan and can assist Coach Shurmur with options from that game plan, such as what they have in certain down and distances that where pre-determined in the game plan. It's a co op
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I just don't think the one or two seconds it takes to name a play over a head set from the booth makes much difference.
If you look at how putrid our O was last year and you look at the fact we ran on 1st and ten almost every time, somebody HAD to KNOW he was in it way over his head.
At least I hope somebody in charge saw it.....
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I just don't think the one or two seconds it takes to name a play over a head set from the booth makes much difference.
If you look at how putrid our O was last year and you look at the fact we ran on 1st and ten almost every time, somebody HAD to KNOW he was in it way over his head.
At least I hope somebody in charge saw it.....
I think that you'er missing the point. It's more about Shumur having a sounding board and also help in deciding on an alternative plan of attack if the original one is not working. More then likely dictated, by what looks they are getting from the defence. Chilly has more time to help make the needed adjustments in real time when the defence is on the field. Shurmur doesn't have that luxury and is concerned and involved with all three phases of the game. The next series on offence, they can incorporate some of those adjustments that they undoubtedly discus during the game.
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Pit, Just about how I feel now. When I go out for a smoke, instead of hot boxing it & back after a break, I tell my Son I'll be in soon. He looks at me like "whats happened to you?" Someways I feel bad. I've always taught all my kids to never quit and you will get to where your going. Maybe I mellowed in my old age to. Quote:
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Pit, Just about how I feel now. When I go out for a smoke, instead of hot boxing it & back after a break, I tell my Son I'll be in soon. He looks at me like "whats happened to you?" Someways I feel bad. I've always taught all my kids to never quit and you will get to where your going. Maybe I mellowed in my old age to.
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That is sad to me and I understand what your saying but when our kids see us doing that they will start to do the same. The Excitement we used to feel before the game started. The hardly can sleep before the game all of that is not there anymore and as much as we try to instill it in our kids and share that link it has sadly died.
Why because they see it in us we have begun to really be able to walk away on game day something I never thought possible.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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You beat the wide 9 by wearing them down by running it up the gut, well we tried it and it did slow their pass rush. WE had receivers running completely free only to have the QB throw it over their heads or wide by 10 yards.
I dont have a problem at all with the playcalling nor with Shurmur. These kids play hard for 60 minutes. He is doing what I expect from the HC.
If you are gonna criticize him for anything, it would be not playing Weeden more but even that may have come down from Holmgren and Heckert.
I don't even believe Shurmer is doing the play calling after last year. If he is, Chilly is nothing but an overpaid consultant.
I think that's just the BS line coming out of Berea!
Im not sure what scares me more. If your correct Shurmur having his head buried in that play sheet trying to find the play Chilly is calling or Shurmur looking for a play to call.
Didn't Shurmur state that the hiring of Childress didn't change the fact that Shurmur would still be calling the plays on offense?
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someone said that no QB could have a worse game than Weeden had last week. apparently, Cutler took that as a challenge.
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and cutler still did better.
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Yep the 7 year Veteran Pro Bowl QB did better than a Rookie in his first game...
Shocking.
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