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Oh I know. I was just joking around in return. My humor is a little sarcastic in nature but I'm in as good of a mood as posiible considering we lost.  The potential I saw in our O was exciting and I felt quite sure they would improve greatly from last week. But what I saw from them today was much more than I had expected. I just always have at least a couple of people here watching the game with me so I never post during the games. But I knew both you and Toad were kidding and I was actually joking back in kind. If anything, it seems to me that Toad appears to be the sensitive one today. But I guess after his postings over the past few weeks concerning our offense and QB, that it's completly understandable. Yes, that's my version of humor.  It's all good from my end! 
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Tough crowd. 26/37, 70.3% completion, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 8.7 yards/pass attempt ......
That's a pretty damn good afternoon playing QB. If that just gets you to "decent" level, then I dunno.
I won't lie, I was one that was seriously PO'd after last week's dismal performance, but he came out and redeemed himself. I hope that he continues to improve. If he just maintains this level of play for the remainder of the year, I'll be extremely happy with the new QB in town
Now lets get some depth in the secondary.
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I wasn't ready to bury him after one game and I'm not ready to anoint him after one, either. I blasted his maturity after last week's pathetic effort because Chilly stated Weeds wouldn't make the same mistake twice, then he turned around and did it. That made the FO look like dopes. I also said he needed to play better.
As I recall, you also said that coming from the spread offense there were a lot of weaknesses to his game. Didn't you claim it was a mistake to draft him that high? I recall a lot of things you said in refrance to Weeden. Yet you only seem to wish to referance one post?
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Now you're going to be waiting a long time before you hear me admit to something I never said.
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If, by the end of the year, Weeden is completing more than, say, 62% of his passes and isn't doing it at a Colt McCoy-like .035 yards per attempt, I'll admit his accuracy was better than I expected, but until then, there's no crow for me to eat because I wasn't ready to bury him after one game.
Actually, from some of the comments you made even before the season ever started, while you may not have had him burried, you were getting your shovel ready to start throwing the dirt.
And if you really want people to buy this swap land you're selling, you might want to remove the "Brandon Weeden, huh" from your sig.....
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And in case you missed it, you bet your ass you're being overly-sensitive. Just settle down and have fun with this. 
In case you missed it, I'm the one poking fun at you and you are the one on the defense. So why don't you just settle down and have some fun with it?
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That one post was a set up in case Weeden played well.
Toad planted that just in case and he had to use it.
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For some reason. I think he's a politician and just hasn't told us. Always has that "way out" just in case he wants to flip-flop.
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It's only one game. This is the first time since ota's that Weeden actually look like he deserved to be picked in the first round.
What's big for me is no turnovers. His game management was much better. And the game slowed down for him some, finally. He still has a long way to go in the passing game, and with his read n recognition of coverages and routes. He still staring down WR's but not as often. Needs a lot of work in 2min offense. 45 secs for 2 plays isn't good (1.32-45.0 n 4th). But Like someone else said. I'm not annoiting him yet. But I'm happy as hell that he actually flashed for the first time and showed some promise other than just a big arm
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We ALL know you would have let his coffin down if he had anotehr bad game, so you hedged your bets by saying "he could have a good game too" Pretty much you played the "I told you so" game ahead of others, nothing else...you told them so, before they could, which pretty much makes you the universal board master of "I told you so"s in every possible direction Smart Frog
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It's only one game. This is the first time since ota's that Weeden actually look like he deserved to be picked in the first round.
Yes it is only one game. That's an absolute fact. And I'm not trying to predict he will be a great QB based on one game. What I'm saying, and all I'm trying to say here, is so many people claimed he could not do what he did today.
Those people based pre-season and only one start as some kind of positive proof Weeden was a complete bust. Some claimed the offense he played in college would make him a bust. Many swore it was a reach pick in round 1 even though he was the 4th QB taken in this draft.
All today was, is a simple indication that these people jumped the gun. That they may have been wrong Not that they are, but we now have a strong indication that moving forward with Weeden wasn't such a bad choice by this FO as so many have been complaining about.
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What's big for me is no turnovers. His game management was much better. And the game slowed down for him some, finally.
That's what I saw as well. A positive sign for hope moving forward.
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He still has a long way to go in the passing game, and with his read n recognition of coverages and routes.
I believe after only two games as a rookie it's only natural that he has a long way to go, don't you? Read and recognition? Well, since the cameras show the pocket and not who is and isn't open down field, I find it hard to comment on that. According to the announcers during the game, some of those times nobody was open so I don't know for sure.
I do know he managed to read who was open, who to throw it too and did a very good job of that today overall.
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But Like someone else said. I'm not annoiting him yet.
Nor am I. Just pointing out how all of the doom and gloomers based on one NFL start, and they were even doing it in pre-season..... were being pre-mature, emotional and jumping the gun. That weeden stands at least as much hope of being good, as he does of being bad and only time will tell.
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But I'm happy as hell that he actually flashed for the first time and showed some promise other than just a big arm
So am I. I'm just shocked that so many were so quick to judge rather than give him enough time to get some true gauge on what he could or couldn't do. That's all.
Face it, he had a really good game. Nothing more and nothing less.
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Tough crowd. 26/37, 70.3% completion, 322 yards, 2 TD, 0 INT, 8.7 yards/pass attempt ......
That's a pretty damn good afternoon playing QB. If that just gets you to "decent" level, then I dunno.
Lol well if couldnt say he did great because I would get my head handed to me on a weeden platter and heard the but we lost excuse.
You know where I stand I too think I know where you stand and it was a fun game to watch, Finally at the end (4th quarter) I thought we had a REAL shot at winning. Something I have not been able to say for quite some time
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I don't see why anyone should be "eating crow"for saying Weeden sucked against the Eagles. He did. And he was terrific today. Let's hope today is more like what we see going forward. That is all.
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I don't see why anyone should be "eating crow"for saying Weeden sucked against the Eagles. He did. And he was terrific today. Let's hope today is more like what we see going forward. That is all.
Well yes he did, but that's a fare cry from some of the hyperpole after last week on this and probably everyother board.
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very true. The sky is falling crowd is finding new ways to bring doom and gloom. But this week it will be harder but they will find a way.
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very true. The sky is falling crowd is finding new ways to bring doom and gloom. But this week it will be harder but they will find a way.
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That one post was a set up in case Weeden played well.
Toad planted that just in case and he had to use it.
LOL..
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I buried Couch.
I buried Frye.
I buried Anderson.
I buried McCoy.
I criticized Weeden.
When I flat-out say I've had enough of a guy, that's when I've had enough of a guy. I said we gambled too highly on Weeden. One game didn't make me bury him, and one game won't make me say I'm wrong, especially when all I did was state what everyone was either saying or thinking: He had to play better or else.
Between Pit and Dj putting words into my mouth, it's no wonder people think I'm a fence-rider. 
I still say I believe he has less than an even-money chance of making it as our long-term starter, but today gives me hope that I could be wrong. (But at his age long-term doesn't mean ten years ) What I said in this thread and others I stand by.
Pit, you're spinning. It's not your best attribute. You wanna shove crow down people's throats for being critical of him. You said one game was too soon to say he's a bust, yet after one game you're trying to hand out crow. There's a word for folks that play that game. 
My quotes aren't hard to find. I'm not saying anything different now than I did then. I can even go back well before this season started and give everyone pro-Weeden quotes. I'm speaking of such things as it doesn't matter if he stinks out of the gate and has to sit. You can't treat him any differently just because Methuselah was younger. I also said who gives a damn if he only gives us 5-7 years as a legit starter as long as it happens. I said he was a reach because of his age and because he came out of the spread, where he wouldn't see things in the NFL that he's ever seen before. To me that hasn't changed one bit. He had a great game today after a historically pathetic one the week before. One game didn't make him a bust, and one game won't anoint him the King.
If he has a few pathetic games in a row and looks as though he may have to sit to get his head on straight, then that's what you do. That won't mean he's dead in the water and it's time to move on.
When I'm ready to put a guy on my clock I'll break out the Weeden-Meter, just like the McCoy-o-Meter
The ONLY QB it looks like I'm going to have to eat some crow on is Alex Smith. Everyone who has been around here for a long time knows how strongly I pimped Rodgers over Smith. I had Smith as a guy just like Weeden: A long-term project QB who wasn't ready for what he'd seen in the NFL. Smith's light is finally coming on, though if people watch his games his receivers are wide-freakin'-open, but he still has to make the throws, so if he keeps it up through the end of the season, that'd be the only guy I'd have to eat crow on.
I never said Weeden was a bust. I said he was a big gamble born from desperation and that we took him way sooner than we had to. One game isn't going to change my tune, and I'm not changing my sig. That's exactly what certain people would use as proof that I'm eating crow. Ain't gonna happen. But if getting a franchise-caliber QB is the result of me eating crow, well, screw that...I'll just change my name to OverCrow and don a black chicken suit.
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lets check the score board wasnt that you calling for McCoy last week in the game day thread. As you say thanks for playing
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Between Pit and Dj putting words into my mouth, it's no wonder people think I'm a fence-rider.
People have been watching you hedge your bets for a very long time now. Blaming me and DJ won't help you there.
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Pit, you're spinning. It's not your best attribute. You wanna shove crow down people's throats for being critical of him. You said one game was too soon to say he's a bust, yet after one game you're trying to hand out crow. There's a word for folks that play that game.
I'm dishing out the very same thing I've been seeing others hand out. Your claims don't support much of what you've been saying. You claimed he was drafted too early. You claimed coming from the spread offense made him less than desireable. You threw slight barbs in almost every direction without actually coming out and saying he would be a complete bust.
That's what you do. You say enough that if he bombed out you could say that you saw it all along. But you say it in a manner that leaves you just enough wiggle room to back out of it.
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My quotes aren't hard to find. I'm not saying anything different now than I did then. I can even go back well before this season started and give everyone pro-Weeden quotes. I'm speaking of such things as it doesn't matter if he stinks out of the gate and has to sit. You can't treat him any differently just because Methuselah was younger. I also said who gives a damn if he only gives us 5-7 years as a legit starter as long as it happens. I said he was a reach because of his age and because he came out of the spread, where he wouldn't see things in the NFL that he's ever seen before. To me that hasn't changed one bit. He had a great game today after a historically pathetic one the week before. One game didn't make him a bust, and one game won't anoint him the King.
You hedged your bet pretty well. I will say that fence riding may very well be your specialty. I mean that is why you can "stand on your record so well". Because for the most part, your overall posts can be twisted into your opinion being suited to fit any given situation. And you know that "finding all of your quotes" all during pre-season are hard to do because they no longer exist.
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I never said Weeden was a bust. I said he was a big gamble born from desperation and that we took him way sooner than we had to.
With so many teams moving up in the draft makes this is another one of those "we'll never knows" that can't be proven in any way. We'll never know if Seattle would have moved ahead of us to get Weeden instead of drafting Wilson later. We'll never know if KC wouldn't have done the same. So that's easy for you to say because it can't be proven one way or the other. But it sounds good, huh?
And if Weeden tirns out to be a great QB, he wasn't taken too early and it wasn't out of desperation. It will be the right QB taken at the right time.
Yes all of your talk about him being taken from the wrong system and how he would never likely make the transition are all gone now. And blaming others for your fence riding just won't walk the walk because far too many people read all of that.
But you go ahead and blame others for calling you on that.
I'm not trying to make Weeden out to be the next great NFL franchise QB. But he did a lot more than you ever gave him credit for being able to do and especially this quickly. You slammed the pick and his ability to make the transition to an NFL caliber QB pretty hard and left yourself enough caviets to wiggle your way out. Bravo.
But don't sit here and act like it was any different, because it wasn't. And most on here already knew that before anybody posted it today.
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As you say thanks for playing
Yes and we can find all of his quotes in those forums that are gone and no longer exist.
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I see your point.
I was just so glad to see receivers getting the ball in stride, with the ability to run after the catch.
I would love to know how much YAC we had in this game.
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I buried Couch.
I buried Frye.
I buried Anderson.
I buried McCoy.
I criticized Weeden.
toad...so that is what this is about...you feeding your own ego in some imaginary competition you are holding, "pretending" you are better qualified to be an NFL front office guru...and not what you are today?
Toad...what is it you do?...you are a shift manager of motel or something?
You sit the fence with your finger in the wind, swaying back and forth waiting for a QB to have a bad game, then you jump on him like flies on Texas cow crap.
Any NFL teams call you yet, TOAD ?...
Toad, I can honestly tell you, with pride, I supported each and every starting QB the Browns have put on the football field...because I'm a Browns fan...nothing else!
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In my not so humble opinion, WAY, WAY, WAY too much is made of "play calling".
It's like the favorite thing for people to pick on a coach for and everyone doing the nitpicking has absolutely no insight into what the coaching staff is seeing or thinking.
I say this: If the play succeeds, or had a chance to succeed barring poor execution - it was a good call. If the play had no chance at all to succeed even with perfect execution, it was a bad call.
Now, flame away with all of your one-off scenarios and coffin-cases
I agree, except where I disagree. I think the biggest aspect of playcalling that we have been missing is LOS adjustments. How often do you watch an elite QB like Peyton or Eli or Brady get to the LOS then change out of something into something else that results in a very positive gain? It happens a lot but I don't see it here. I hope its because Colt was young and now Weeden is young (or at least inexperienced) but we need a QB who can get us out of a bad play and into a better play based on what he sees.
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lets check the score board wasnt that you calling for McCoy last week in the game day thread.
As you say thanks for playing
See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.
I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.
Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.
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See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.
I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.
Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.
That's true. I gotta hand it to you, Toad. You ride the fence better than just about anyone else on here!
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See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.
I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.
Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.
I said the same thing.. McCoy would have probably won that game last week all things being equal... I then clarified that I was NOT saying McCoy was better or the better long term option.. just that he would have probably made fewer mistakes and won the game.... but I fully expected those kinds of responses after Weeden looked a lot better this week.
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See, that makes you two things at once, Mac. The first is ignorance in simple reading comprehension, the second a hypocrite..
Dj said I was burying Weeden after one game when I wasn't. All I did was lay out the examples of guys I stated were done, versus Weeden where I was being critical. If you can't follow the bouncing ball, don't interject your ignorance into a thread.
Now, where you're a hypocrite, you profess to support every guy the Browns march out there because you wear your colors proud and support them no matter what. Yet you aren't bright enough to actually understand what the new owner says in a statement, then you call him a liar and a hypocrite and part of the problem before he's even owned the team.
You can't understand what the new owner says in obvious statements in spite of the fact that numerous posters have laid it out to you over-and-over again, and now you can't even understand what I said when I couldn't have been any clearer.
If nothing else you're good for comedic relief because your contributions on an intellectual are akin to See Spot Run.
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See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.
I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.
Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.
That's true. I gotta hand it to you, Toad. You ride the fence better than just about anyone else on here!
Years of practice, brotha
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If you ask the Ref's, they keep those threads in archive somewhere, so...
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Not really, he hates the guards and thinks they should both be replaced. In reality, I think we are all pretty much the same. Once the game starts, we root for every player to do well and win the game.. in between games we all have our players that we like and the ones we wish were upgraded or out of here... I hope nobody watches a game thinking, "I hope that guy screws up so we can cut him." .. I seriously hope not. As long as a guy is on the roster I hope he plays well and improves, but there are a few that I wish weren't on the roster.
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I hope nobody watches a game thinking, "I hope that guy screws up so we can cut him." .. I seriously hope not.
Boy have I been tempted. We've had some real dogs on this team.
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I hope nobody watches a game thinking, "I hope that guy screws up so we can cut him." .. I seriously hope not.
Boy have I been tempted. We've had some real dogs on this team.
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Well I also dont think you were bashing everyone over the head last year with McCoy has flat lined and is not an NFL QB. If your old car is broken down and wont run when you buy a new car do you drive home and then sit in the old broken down car because it might get you to work before the new one warms up? Toad was calling for McCoy in the 3rd quarter not on the last drive. And while I can see people thinking McCoy could have won that Philly game its only speculation. However if the people saying that are the same ones that were saying we would never win a game with McCoy as QB almost all of last year I have to laugh. I said that if McCoy had a few weapons and more help he would probably do better but was told McCoy made everyone else worse almost all of last year and through the offseason. I said I support playing Weeden because I think hes better then McCoy on his best day and took alot all week for doing so, being told Weeden was a reach and would be the undoing of all the Browns FO coaching staff etc. The sooner Haslam gets here to get these clowns outta town the better. Now that Weeden had a good game its all revisionist history. Sorry Im not mopping up what some people are slopping down.
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Some people were asking for evidence of how a QB can make a receiver better, and I think that we saw that yesterday. Most of Weeden's throws were to the open man, in stride, and appropriately placed to allow the receiver to run after the catch. Last year far too many of the same type of passes were behind receivers, forcing them to stop and reach back to make the catch, and eliminating the possibility of YAC. They were completed passes, but not effective passes.
Yesterday we saw effective passing. I think that we will continue to see this throughout the year, and that we will improve, with a few fits and starts, as the season progresses.
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I said the same thing.. McCoy would have probably won that game last week all things being equal... I then clarified that I was NOT saying McCoy was better or the better long term option.. just that he would have probably made fewer mistakes and won the game.... but I fully expected those kinds of responses after Weeden looked a lot better this week.
The jury is still a long way from being in when you are speaking of Weeden.
But the bottom line here is you either show confidence in your QB by sticking with him or you show a lack of confidence in him by jumping ship on him in his first start.
There is a question to your logic here that neither of us has a correct answer for but most assuridly food for thought.
If Weeden would have played in only half of that game last week and felt at the first sign of distress this coaching staff would pull him, would he have looked as good as he did yesterday?
There is something to be said in knowing that your coaches will stick with you. That if you're having a bad game, they won't just jump ship on you.
There is also something to be said for playing time. He needs to see and deal with as much conflict as there is in order to gain the experience to overcome it.
We are not going to the playoffs this year even if Colt is brought in every time Weeden struggles. If we do make the playoffs by some miracle, it will be because Weeden becomes drasticly better with consistantcy real quick, which is quite doubtfull.
The only chance to get where we want to go with Weeden is to let him play. To show our coaching staff is going to stick with him and that they won't panick every time he is struggling.
With each quarter he plays he gains experience. And going back and forth between he and Colt won't accomplish that.
Just like with the long passes. The more time and experience he has with building chemistry with his WR's, the quicker this will come together. Colt taking the snaps just retards that learning process and insures it will take even longer to accomplish this.
I have been a critic of Shurmers and I'm still not confident he is the answer as our HC. But to his credit, it appears he plans to stick with one QB unless and until such time as the need is felt to change starting QB's.
In the grand scheme of things, winning one meaningless game verses moving forward in the learning process with the only real shot we have at a franchise QB, the investment now is well worth the possible results for the future.
Responses like that? Well to those that have said how wrong our FO was from day 1 in drafting him and were degrading everything from the system he came out of to a snide remark in their sig,? Yes.
Otherwise, it was simply one game in the season. I expect there will be games like this combined with some games that aren't so pretty. That simply goes with the learning process coming from such a young group on offense.
As long as we don't abandone ship every time things go south, this group can learn from their mistakes and grow. Otherwise, it will instill doubt and do very little to help this young group develop as a unit.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Some people were asking for evidence of how a QB can make a receiver better, and I think that we saw that yesterday. Most of Weeden's throws were to the open man, in stride, and appropriately placed to allow the receiver to run after the catch. Last year far too many of the same type of passes were behind receivers, forcing them to stop and reach back to make the catch, and eliminating the possibility of YAC. They were completed passes, but not effective passes.
Yesterday we saw effective passing. I think that we will continue to see this throughout the year, and that we will improve, with a few fits and starts, as the season progresses.
I hope you are right.
A performance like the one from TR yesterday also helps make everyone better.
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I think calling in McCoy last week could have only been done had Weeden cemented himself as the starter and proved to be effective as the starting QB, and was just having a bad day.
But to take him out mid-way through his first game would have been disasterous to everyone involved, the media storm would have been immense.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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And while I can see people thinking McCoy could have won that Philly game its only speculation.
Most of what is said in here is speculation.
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Well I also dont think you were bashing everyone over the head last year with McCoy has flat lined and is notâ„¢an NFL QB.
No I was not. I was all in favor of getting him some weapons and more time in the sy tem. In fact my pre-draft stance was that if we couldn't get 1 of the big 2 QBs, I would have passed. That's not what we did... I hope it works out for us. I am no more prepared to say it has worked today than I was to say it didn't work last week.
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If your old car is broken down and wont run when you buy a new car do you drive home and then sit in the old broken down car because it might get you to work before the new one warms up?
Toad was calling for McCoy in the 3rd quarter not on the last drive.
I never did call for McCoy, even though I think bringing him in shortly after the half might have won the game for us...... and I think a better analogy is... if you buy a new car and you are about to go on a trip, do you take the new car even if its sputtering, stalling, missing, and backfiring? Or do you take the older car which isn't as fast or sleek but you generally know what you are getting?
The reason I didn't want McCoy to come in...
1. I didn't want to start the QB controvery
2. I do believe confidence plays a big part in athletes and I didn't want to shatter Weedens in his first game
3. I didn't think the win would matter, I love to win but we aren't going anywhere so let Weeden work through his issues
4. I didn't want to send the wrong message to the team that you will be yanked for any bad half of football
The only reason to yank Weeden in that game was to try to win the game (and I know, that is the most important thing) but everything else it accomplished was bad.
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Further, Shurmur didn't pull McCoy last year when he struggled.
Last year McCoy had 69 yards passing in the first half of the 49'ers game. He had 121 yards at the end of the 3rd quarter. He also had an INT and a fumble IIRC.
In the Texans game, McCoy had 54 yards passing in the first half, with an INT. He had 89 yards passing by the end of the 3rd quarter.
These are just 2 games where Shurmur could easily have pulled the starter for the backup if he were so inclined. Shurmur seems like a coach who sticks with his starter except if there is an injury, or if he is forced to make a semi-permanent change.
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lets check the score board wasnt that you calling for McCoy last week in the game day thread.
As you say thanks for playing
See, that's the problem with picking out parts of statements. It causes you to eat crow.
I said that Weeds had lost it, and that putting McCoy in to try and save the game wasn't calling for Weeds to be replaced permanently. So what did Weeds do? He threw the game-ending pick on his first pass.
Gotta watch it with the revisionist history, or I'll have to add you to Pit and Dj as people putting words into my mouth.
That's true. I gotta hand it to you, Toad. You ride the fence better than just about anyone else on here!
Years of practice, brotha
Yeah, and Toad is naive enough to believe that's what a HC can do in THIS QB situation and tell the fanbase afterwards without ruining his rook QB, relationship to the FO, media, fan base
That's my point, it's easy to call for something armchair HC or GM style....but if you ARE the responsible person, everyone of us, even the biggest homers, knows that you can't pull Weeden there...even Toad...but he still likes to call for it. Never call out anyone to do something in a situation where you wouldn't do it yourself....and Toad, don't even start or try to tell me with a straight face that you'd have pulled Weeden in week 1 if you where the Cleveland Browns HC...that's BS
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Some people were asking for evidence of how a QB can make a receiver better, and I think that we saw that yesterday. Most of Weeden's throws were to the open man, in stride, and appropriately placed to allow the receiver to run after the catch. Last year far too many of the same type of passes were behind receivers, forcing them to stop and reach back to make the catch, and eliminating the possibility of YAC. They were completed passes, but not effective passes.
Yesterday we saw effective passing. I think that we will continue to see this throughout the year, and that we will improve, with a few fits and starts, as the season progresses.
I agree.
You've never waivered on that fact and it was actually exciting to watch him stand in the pocket and make what has been called "NFL thows". The longer that game went on the more I felt like we could win that game because Weeden is a threat to go downfield at anytime and has the arm to make many throws that McCoy just cannot make.
Add to that as you said hitting guys in stride allowing for YAC I'm a believer.
I've supported the kid from day 1 like alot of us have and look forward to next week more then I really thought possible.
I dont have that, well everything has to go perfect for us to win feeling like I did last year. if that makes any sense? 
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