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Cairo (CNN) -- Angry protesters climbed the walls of the U.S. Embassy in Cairo on Tuesday and hauled down the American flag, replacing it with a black standard with Islamic emblems, apparently in protest of the production of a film thought to insult the Prophet Mohammed.
The incident prompted a volley of warning shots to be fired as a large crowd gathered outside, said CNN producer Mohammed Fahmy, who was on the scene.
The replacement flag read, "There is no God but Allah and Mohammad is his messenger."
Others expressed more general grievances about U.S. policy, chanting anti-American slogans and holding up bits of a shredded American flag to television camera crews in front of the embassy.
An embassy operator told CNN that the facility had been cleared of diplomatic personnel earlier Tuesday, ahead of the apparent threat, while Egyptian riot police were called to help secure the area.
The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."
"Respect for religious beliefs is a cornerstone of American democracy," the statement said. "We firmly reject the actions by those who abuse the universal right of free speech to hurt the religious beliefs of others."
The incident occurred on the 11th anniversary of the September 11 attacks in New York, Washington and Pennsylvania, as crowds gathered in somber remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people killed that day.
It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.
In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.
Geert Wilders' film "Fitna," which he released online, featured images of terrorist acts superimposed over verses from the Quran.
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first of all, today? on 9/11, really? they thought this was a good idea? second of all: Quote:
"I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"
apparently, Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter didn't make it's way to Egyptian Theaters
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It is not clear which film upset the protesters in Cairo.
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In 2008, an anti-Muslim and anti-immigration parliamentarian from The Netherlands sparked international outcry when he produced a film that portrayed Islam as a violent religion.
I remember this, and I remember being amused by the threats of violence toward the filmmakers because they accused them of being violent. Life is funny like that.
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The U.S. Embassy said in a statement Tuesday that it "condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims -- as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions."
Ok, am I being insensitive if I state that I could really give a crap whether a film "hurts the religious feelings of Muslims"?
If you want to practice your religion, by all means, have at it.... but I should be able to express a negative opinion of your religion without fear of YOU STORMING INTO MY HOUSE.
Since an embassy is technically American soil, shouldn't it be our prerogative to demolish it by implosion? Like, right now with them inside it hooting and hollering and raising their stupid flags.
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..but I should be able to express a negative opinion of your religion without fear of YOU STORMING INTO MY HOUSE.
I think you have that right, here. Outside of this country, people don't view the free right of speech so openly.
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Knowing those idiots it was prob. Bambi 
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Watching FoxNews right now and Hanity is saying that this is the rise of miltant muslim extremists which is going to spread....lol. To top it off? Rudy Giuliani is on agreeing with him.
Ah, respectable schools in the middle east also teach to kill Israel. Wow, way to further quality rhetoric and discourse Hanity.
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Hanity is saying that this is the rise of miltant muslim extremists which is going to spread....lol.
And you know that its not?
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Ah, respectable schools in the middle east also teach to kill Israel. Wow, way to further quality rhetoric and discourse Hanity.
And you know that they don't? What do they teach about Israel? What do they teach you to do when somebody makes a film about your religion that you don't like? How do the elders feel about their kids and grandkids being part of this violence, are they proud or ashamed? When its over, how will the participants be viewed by the general population, as true devotees of the faith or as destructive violent anarchists?
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"I just want to say, how would the Americans feel if films insulting leading Christian figures like the pope or historical figures like Abraham Lincoln were produced?"
apparently, Abe Lincoln, Vampire Hunter didn't make it's way to Egyptian Theaters
Well played.
In all seriousness, knowing the reaction that poking a stick at Christianity can provoke from even tolerant religious people, and knowing that there are many who are far more religiously zealous, I can only imagine the reaction some groups would have if a Muslim filmmaker made a film that depicted Jesus or Mary or the pope engaging in hedonistic acts. I'd like to think that violence against innocent people wouldn't enter the equation, but people have a way of surprising you.
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There was an "artist" who splattered the Virgin Mary with feces, and I don't believe that Christians tried to kill him. There was outrage, but it wasn't violent that I can recall.
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"P--s Christ" was a "sculpture" that was a crucifix upside-down in a jar of the so-called artist's urine. There was outrage over that too, but mostly because it was funded by tax dollars (National Endowment For The Arts). No killings or violence that I'm aware of.
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So because Beck said it it has to be wrong? That's just as wrong headed as blindly accepting what he says as right.
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The more I read that statement by the Egyptian Embassy, the more angry I become.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
What a load of crap. Christians have to just "take it" when we are insulted, or we're "intolerant people". Radical Muslims have excuses made for them by this administration through their ambassadors. The simply fact is that United States sovereign grounds were violated in both Egypt and Lybia. There are reports that both those who shot the rocket into our Lybian Embassy, and those who attacked the US Embassy in Egypt have ties to al Qaeda. If we do not respond in a strong and unequivocal manner, then we are just encouraging future attacks on our Embassies, because what is to stop future attacks if there are no consequences.
We need to make it absolutely clear to both Egypt and Lybia that they are on alert that they need to find those responsible. If not, then we need to re-evaluate our relationship with both countries, including our foreign aid. We need to communicate the same message to every other country in the area. We also need to say that there will be no more wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the next time we are forced to use US military might, we will destroy the country we target, and we will be so thorough that they will not return to this century until next century. People say that Muslims respect strength, well then it's time to be strong. I am sick and tired of continually backing down to this kind of crap.
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"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo commends the utilization of freedom of speech even if the efforts are by misguided individuals designed to hurt the religious feelings of any religions. We do not support their viewpoints in any way, but we support their freedom to express them."
Now that is how it should read.
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I've seen the 13 minute trailer of the film on youtube.
I must say ... the film cost $5 million dollars to make and was financed by individuals in Israel.
That is what they get for five million? It is F grade actors - not even D grade actors. It is absolutely horrible and what is said in the film is EXTREMELY offensive towards Islam.
The film portrays Muhammed as a pederast and charlatan.
The director of the film is in hiding - he shouldn't be in hiding. He should be out there embracing the rioters - after all, they are among the few people that have seen the film.
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you think the rioters have seen the film or have just read an excerpt? i'll bet 99.99% have just read or been told what it is about.
and you have seen more of it than I care to devote to such garbage (from what I have read).
however, they should have the freedom to say those things and I do not tolerate individuals or groups invading the USA (the embassy is considered US soil).
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The more I read that statement by the Egyptian Embassy, the more angry I become.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
What a load of crap. Christians have to just "take it" when we are insulted, or we're "intolerant people". Radical Muslims have excuses made for them by this administration through their ambassadors. The simply fact is that United States sovereign grounds were violated in both Egypt and Lybia. There are reports that both those who shot the rocket into our Lybian Embassy, and those who attacked the US Embassy in Egypt have ties to al Qaeda. If we do not respond in a strong and unequivocal manner, then we are just encouraging future attacks on our Embassies, because what is to stop future attacks if there are no consequences.
We need to make it absolutely clear to both Egypt and Lybia that they are on alert that they need to find those responsible. If not, then we need to re-evaluate our relationship with both countries, including our foreign aid. We need to communicate the same message to every other country in the area. We also need to say that there will be no more wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the next time we are forced to use US military might, we will destroy the country we target, and we will be so thorough that they will not return to this century until next century. People say that Muslims respect strength, well then it's time to be strong. I am sick and tired of continually backing down to this kind of crap.
I feel the same way. We make an apologetic statement while these people are storming our embassies and pretty much committing genocide against the Coptic Christians in their own country.
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Which is why I said, I don't give a crap how they "feel" about this movie. Much of the world doesn't share your views on your religion, that does not give you the right to vandalize buildings and kill people. Get over it.
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Watching FoxNews right now and Hanity is saying that this is the rise of miltant muslim extremists which is going to spread....lol. To top it off? Rudy Giuliani is on agreeing with him.
Ah, respectable schools in the middle east also teach to kill Israel. Wow, way to further quality rhetoric and discourse Hanity.
Why would you watch Hannity? He is a talk show host who makes his money by stating his opinion loudly. The show has nothing to do with hard news.
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The more I read that statement by the Egyptian Embassy, the more angry I become.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
What a load of crap. Christians have to just "take it" when we are insulted, or we're "intolerant people". Radical Muslims have excuses made for them by this administration through their ambassadors. The simply fact is that United States sovereign grounds were violated in both Egypt and Lybia. There are reports that both those who shot the rocket into our Lybian Embassy, and those who attacked the US Embassy in Egypt have ties to al Qaeda. If we do not respond in a strong and unequivocal manner, then we are just encouraging future attacks on our Embassies, because what is to stop future attacks if there are no consequences.
We need to make it absolutely clear to both Egypt and Lybia that they are on alert that they need to find those responsible. If not, then we need to re-evaluate our relationship with both countries, including our foreign aid. We need to communicate the same message to every other country in the area. We also need to say that there will be no more wars like Iraq and Afghanistan, and that the next time we are forced to use US military might, we will destroy the country we target, and we will be so thorough that they will not return to this century until next century. People say that Muslims respect strength, well then it's time to be strong. I am sick and tired of continually backing down to this kind of crap.
Yea...I agree. We should enact a foreign policy that states unequivocally, that we will respond to any attack of our embassy's with a display of force unseen since WWII. Yes, I am talking about nuclear destruction of men, women, and children and infrastructure. If they kill one diplomat--we kill 10,000 of their citizens.
Nothing gets respect like str8 up Nuclear Holocaust.
Why should we apologize for some bigoted video that some American produced---makes no sense.
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Holy . . . you people want to get angrier? Watch the idiotic film trailer on YouTube. I was considering posting it, but there are some bits that are iffy . . .
Knowing the nut-jobs killed was one thing, knowing they killed over that steaming pile makes it a bit worse for me . . .
I'll PM it to you if you want . . .
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You mean that wasn't historically accurate?
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Yet another US Embassy attacked. http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/...ni-capital?liteProtesters storm US!Embassy in Yemeni capital By NBC News staff and wire reports Protesters angry over an obscure film critical of Islam’s Prophet Muhammad stormed the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa, Yemen, on Thursday, as unrest that led to the deaths of a U.S. ambassador and three other Americans in Libya spread to other countries in the region. Witnesses said Yemeni security forces opened fire on demonstrators as they tried to scale the walls of the American compound, according to The Associated Press and Reuters. Hakim Almashmari, the editor of the Yemen Post, told NBC News that a security blockade set up by local police around the U.S. Embassy in Sanaa was breached but the protesters had not got inside the embassy walls. In Cairo, police fired tear gas Thursday to disperse protesters outside the U.S. embassy. On Tuesday demonstrators also climbed the embassy walls and tore down the American flag. The unrest comes after a separate attack Tuesday on the U.S. Consulate in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi killed Ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other State Department officers. The protesters’ anger was triggered by the amateurish anti-Islam film, a trailer for which appeared on YouTube, although U.S. authorities said Wednesday that they could not rule out the possibility that al-Qaida-inspired Islamist militants had pre-planned the deadly attack in Libya’s second city to coincide with Sept. 11. The unrest has spread to several countries. Late Wednesday, police fired teargas at angry demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy in Tunisia and several hundred people gathered in front of the U.S. embassy in Sudan. In Morocco, a few dozen protesters burned American flags and chanted slogans near the U.S. consulate in Casablanca. On Wednesday night, President Obama spoke to the presidents of Egypt and Libya and urged them to continue working with the United States to ensure the safety of diplomatic personnel, the White House said. Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi promised Egypt "would honor its obligation to ensure the safety of American personnel," the White House said. The unrest has spread to several countries. Late Wednesday, police fired teargas at angry demonstrators outside the U.S. embassy in Tunisia and several hundred people gathered in front of the U.S. embassy in Sudan. In Morocco, a few dozen protesters burned American flags and chanted slogans near the U.S. consulate in Casablanca. On Wednesday night, President Obama spoke to the presidents of Egypt and Libya and urged them to continue working with the United States to ensure the safety of diplomatic personnel, the White House said. Egyptian President Mohammed Morsi promised Egypt "would honor its obligation to ensure the safety of American personnel," the White House said. In an interview with Telemundo on Wednesday, Obama said that while he does not believe Egypt is an ally of the United States, he also does not consider the country an enemy. "I think that we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident,” Obama said. During a separate call on Wednesday, Obama thanked Libyan President Mohamed Magariaf for his condolences over the deaths of the four Americans in Benghazi. The White House said the two leaders agreed to "work together to do whatever is necessary to identify the perpetrators of this attack and bring them to justice." 'Non-emergency' personnel ordered out of Libya Meanwhile, the State Department ordered all "non-emergency" U.S. personnel out of Libya, but officials told NBC News that as of now there was no plan for a total U.S. evacuation. U.S. officials said the Navy is positioning two guided-missile destroyers off the Libyan coast to provide "additional military options" if needed. The USS LaBoon had already arrived off the coast of Libya, officials told NBC News. The USS McFaul was expected to arrive Thursday. Both are based at Norfolk, Va., and are listed as having crews of 338. In addition, the Defense and State departments were considering sending additional Marines to other potential trouble spots, including Cairo and Kabul, which have both seen sectarian flare-ups against the United States. The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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So ... my question is this .....
When do we finally draw the line? When do we say that we will shoot dead anyone and everyone who invade our Embassies? When do we make it unmistakably clear that we will protect our sovereign territory with whatever force is necessary?
We sent 50 marines? Really? No offense to the Marines, but I'm sure that these people are shaking in their boots. 50 whole marines. Wow.
This wimpy foreign policy we're engaging in is ridiculous. We need to get in with force, and out this crap to an end NOW. Put snipers inside these Embassies, and shoot anyone dead who dares pop their heads over the fence, or sets foot inside the gate. This cannot be underestimated. These attacks are an attack on the United States, and must be addressed as such.
The President also needs to make a speech saying that we respect Islam, but that we have freedom of speech in this country, and that freedom sometimes results in things that are not kind, polite, nice, or even rational being said. It's time for the Middle East to grow up, and to understand that words are words. The President needs to say this in no uncertain terms. If he doesn't then who will?
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The President also needs to make a speech saying that we respect Islam, but that we have freedom of speech in this country, and that freedom sometimes results in things that are not kind, polite, nice, or even rational being said. It's time for the Middle East to grow up, and to understand that words are words. The President needs to say this in no uncertain terms.
The apology tour starts tomorrow.
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Jimmy Carter all over again.
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I'd hardly call a guy willing to give the order for assassinations Jimmy Carter all over again. I'd be very surprised if we don't hear something about the people responsible being killed soon.
If I sent someone I'd play it cool too, don't want to show my hand.
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Holy . . . you people want to get angrier? Watch the idiotic film trailer on YouTube. I was considering posting it, but there are some bits that are iffy . . .
Knowing the nut-jobs killed was one thing, knowing they killed over that steaming pile makes it a bit worse for me . . .
I'll PM it to you if you want . . .
Let's be clear... these attacks are only peripherally about this movie.. the first one might have been but in general, the movie is an excuse to do what they wanted to do any way.
It's like saying a dirty kitchen is the reason a guy beat his wife.. if that's the kind of guy he is then he was going to beat her, he just needed a reason and the kitchen happened to be dirty.
It is kind of fascinating to watch how with the internet and instant global communication you can now have a mob mentality spread across continents such that like-minded groups find this solidarity to act similarly in places very far from each other and use each others momentum to build on...
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The anti-Obama circlejerk on these boards never ceases to amaze me. He did exactly what you wanted him to. In direct terms “But certainly in this situation what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected that our personnel is protected. And if they take actions that indicate they are not taking those responsibilities like all countries do where we have embassies, I think that’s going to be a real big problem.” link
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I think Hillary summed it up pretty well...
Clinton calls anti-Islam video 'disgusting'
By BRADLEY KLAPPER | Associated Press – 1 hr 19 mins ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton is sharpening her criticism of an anti-Islam video that provoked protests in the Arab world.
Clinton says the film is "disgusting and reprehensible." She calls it a cynical attempt to offend people for their religious beliefs.
But Clinton says the U.S. would never stop Americans from expressing their views, no matter how distasteful. And she says the film is no justification for violence or attacks on U.S. diplomatic facilities and personnel.
Clinton said Thursday the U.S. is monitoring protests in Yemen and elsewhere. She's urging countries to take steps to prevent protests escalating into violence.
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He did exactly what you wanted him to. In direct terms
“But certainly in this situation what we’re going to expect is that they are responsive to our insistence that our embassy is protected that our personnel is protected. And if they take actions that indicate they are not taking those responsibilities like all countries do where we have embassies, I think that’s going to be a real big problem.”
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I'd prefer he be much, much more direct in what we expect and how we will act if it continues.
Sorry...but in my opinion his response was very Carter-like. His quote from your link:
I think that’s going to be a real big problem.
Going to be?! It already is a big problem.
There was an intense debate on this site regarding the $1.5 billion in aid to Egypt on which Obama/Clinton chose to over-ride Congress. In the end, many agreed that the headline to the article was misleading as it made it appear that Obama/Clinton were giving that money to the Muslim Brotherhood.
Then this comes from your link:
Obama said the new Muslim Brotherhood leadership in Egypt was still “trying to find its way.”
“They were democratically elected. I think we are going to have to see how they respond to this incident, to see how they respond to maintaining the peace treaty with Israel,” he said.
Obama appears to be stating that the Muslim Brotherhood is the current leader(s) of Egypt.
What does that say about the above-noted headline to the article regarding the $1.5 billion override?
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When is the last time we had an Ambassador murdered?
How long did the statement from the Embassy stay up online? (which is considered an official response)
How did the President respond to these attacks on sovereign US territory? How did he respond to the murder of a long time, respected Ambassador?
What steps did he take after this attack? Did he remain in DC to handle things, or did he hit the campaign trail immediately again?
This is a total collapse of the "Obama Doctirine", where people will like us if we're just nice to them. If we give them money, they'll like us. We just have to show that we understand them, and are willing to subvert ourselves to them. We just have to treat them with the utmost respect, even when they act like rabid animals.
Bull.
The Middle East respects one thing. Strength. Right now we look weak and ineffectual. I bet that those people who killed the Ambassador are laughing at us for such a weak response. They think we're scared, and weak.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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The Middle East respects one thing. Strength.
And the Marines guarding the embassy weren't allowed to have live ammo. And before any gets all pissy - I'm not laying that on Obama at all.
But seriously - why do we have marines with guns protecting an embassy.......when we don't give them bullets?
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When is the last time we had an Ambassador murdered?
1979.
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How did the President respond to these attacks on sovereign US territory? How did he respond to the murder of a long time, respected Ambassador?
He declared that those responsible will be brought to justice.
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This is a total collapse of the "Obama Doctirine", where people will like us if we're just nice to them.
I swear, you guys have invented a fictional president.
For the most part, Obama's foreign policy doctrine has been 'mess with us, and you die'. He's taken Bush's foreign policy and injected it with steroids.
Yet to hear it from some, he's some limp-wristed pansy singing Kumbaya.
I'm not a fan of the guy's foreign policy at all, but it certainly isn't weak.
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The Middle East respects one thing. Strength. Right now we look weak and ineffectual. I bet that those people who killed the Ambassador are laughing at us for such a weak response. They think we're scared, and weak.
What do you want us to do, exactly? Invade Libya?
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No, we can't afford to invade anyone any longer. Just nuke it, we already have those and it only takes a couple.
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