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Good thing we helped the Libyans and Egyptians overthrow their governments. Any idiot (except our government) could see what would happen. The gratitude shown for our assistance is touching.
Reuters (Reuters) - The U.S. ambassador to Libya and three other embassy staff were killed in a rocket attack on their car, a Libyan official said, as they were rushed from a consular building stormed by militants denouncing a U.S.-made film insulting the Prophet Mohammad. Gunmen had attacked and burned the U.S. consulate in the eastern city of Benghazi, a center of last year's uprising against Muammar Gaddafi, late on Tuesday evening, killing one U.S. consular official. The building was evacuated. The Libyan official said the ambassador, Christopher Stevens, was being driven from the consulate building to a safer location when gunmen opened fire. "The American ambassador and three staff members were killed when gunmen fired rockets at them," the official in Benghazi told Reuters. There was no immediate comment from the State Department in Washington. U.S. ambassadors in such volatile countries are accompanied by tight security, usually travelling in well-protected convoys. Security officials will be considering whether the two attacks were coordinated. Libyan deputy prime minister Mustafa Abu Shagour condemned the killing of the U.S. diplomats as a cowardly act. The consular official had died after clashes between Libyan security forces and Islamist militants around the consulate building. Looters raided the empty compound and some onlookers took pictures after calm returned. In neighboring Egypt, demonstrators had torn down an American flag and burned it during the protest. Some tried to raise a black flag with the words "There is no God but God, and Mohammad is his messenger", a Reuters witness said. PORTRAYAL OF PROPHET U.S. pastor Terry Jones, who had inflamed anger in the Muslim world in 2010 with plans to burn the Koran, said he had promoted "Innocence of Muslims", which U.S. media said was produced by an Israeli-American property developer; but clips of another film called "Mohammad, Prophet of Muslims", had been circulating for weeks before the protest. That film portrayed Mohammad as a fool, a philanderer and a religious fake. In one clip posted on YouTube Mohammad was shown in a sexual act with a woman. Jones, a pastor in Florida whose latest stunt fell on the anniversary of the September 11, 2001, attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, triggered riots in Afghanistan in 2010 with his threat to burn the Koran. Many Muslims consider any depiction of the Prophet offensive and any depiction of him can cause outbursts of anger in the Islamic world and among Muslims in Europe. Libya's interim government has struggled to impose its authority on a myriad of armed groups that have refused to lay down their weapons and often take the law into their own hands. It was clearly overwhelmed by Tuesday night's attack on the consulate that preceded the assault on the ambassador. "The Libyan security forces came under heavy fire and we were not prepared for the intensity of the attack," said Abdel-Monem Al-Hurr, spokesman for Libya's Supreme Security Committee. In Benghazi, unidentified men had shot at the consulate buildings, while others threw handmade bombs into the compound, setting off small explosions. LOOTED On Wednesday morning, the compound stood empty, with passers-by freely walking in to take a look at the damage. Walls were charred and a small fire burned inside one of the buildings. A small group of men was trying to extinguish the flames and three security men briefly surveyed the scene. A Reuters reporter saw chairs, table and food lying alongside empty shells. Some blood stains could also be seen in front of one of the buildings. Three cars were torched. The crowd of around 2,000 protesters in Cairo was a mixture of Islamists and teenage soccer fans known for fighting police and who played a part in the revolt that toppled Egypt's leader Hosni Mubarak last year. The fortress-like U.S. mission is near Tahrir Square, where Egypt's uprising began and the scene of many protests since. Youths danced and chanted football songs. A Reuters reporter said they appeared to climb into the embassy compound almost as an afterthought. "We sacrificed dozens and hundreds during the uprising for our dignity. The Prophet's dignity is more important to us and we are ready to sacrifice millions," said mosque preacher Mohamed Abu Gabal who joined the protest. U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, in a statement late on Tuesday, confirmed the death of the U.S. consular diplomat in Libya, who was not identified, and condemned the attack there; but she made no mention of an attack on the Ambassador's car.
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but if you accidentally leave anthrax spores behind, well oops...
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I've been saying that for years. We should have no presence in any country that we do not have a great relationship with.
If you are not a strong ally with the US, then good luck to you, don't call us, don't look to us, and surely don't mess with us.
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Has the President apologized yet?
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I'll bite my tongue on a lot of this.
But I will say that I have a hard time swallowing allowing our AMBASSADOR to be killed and not responding. Attacking an ambassador is akin to attacking the President, IMO. Even though many of you would have no problem with that, I do, no matter what party the President is from.
But, what reaction do you as President have? Do you start bombing the crap out of them? What's that accomplish? Do you do nothing ? What's that accomplish?
Politics is a messy business, boy. This is a lose-lose situation, IMO.
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The Embassies should have a self-destruct timer that the last one out activates. Then we watch as the place implodes as the protesters are dancing. 
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Attacking an ambassador is akin to attacking the President, IMO. Even though many of you would have no problem with that, I do, no matter what party the President is from.
No posters that I can think of would ever wish harm to President Obama, whatever our political differences with him. An attack on our embassy or our ambassador is an attack on all of us.
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For starters, you withdraw any aid or funding, military support, and you initiate economic sanctions on financial relations with American companies. If the attacks continue, then you bomb the bleep out of them.
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We really need to start laying down the law, and letting people know that you are either a friend of the US, or you are not. Your status will be determined by how you act towards us. If you want to be our enemy, then we will be more than happy to treat you as such. Period.
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Any idiot can see that your hatred of the President runs deep.
You are all sitting here claiming that Obama "apologized."
He did no such thing.
Romney is repeating that same exact LIE.
You people are absolutely despicable. You want to talk about TRAITORS?
You are the traitors.
An ambassador is killed in an organized attack by Muslim extremists - extremists that used these demonstrations as a cover. Yet, your first inclination is to attack the President of the United States.
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Just a little over the top there Charlie , aren't we ? How about saner heads shall prevail here , no matter your Political persuasion ! Traitor is really a very harsh word..
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Just a little over the top there Charlie , aren't we ? How about saner heads shall prevail here , no matter your Political persuasion ! Traitor is really a very harsh word..
It is disgusting the depths to which people will go to bash the President.
They (the right wing) label Obama as:
unamerican
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Muslim
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A communist
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A "closet" Homosexual LINK
They go to such depth that they will even try to destroy a man's business because he gave Obama a bear hug. LINK
This is the President of the United States we are talking about. Not the Anti-Christ ... oh wait ... darn it.
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Yea, speechless.
Too many people are "speechless".
Right-wingers label Obama as all the above - and an Atheist because he "took God out of the platform"
Only in their world can you be an Atheist, Muslim, Kenyan, Indonesian, Fascist, Communist, Socialist Anti-Christ.
The Right-Wing has given themselves over to the man in the straight jacket.
Everything they label Obama as is contradicted by - the next "big" thing they label him.
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Any idiot can see that your hatred of the President runs deep.
You are all sitting here claiming that Obama "apologized."
He did no such thing.
Romney is repeating that same exact LIE.
You people are absolutely despicable. You want to talk about TRAITORS?
You are the traitors.
An ambassador is killed in an organized attack by Muslim extremists - extremists that used these demonstrations as a cover. Yet, your first inclination is to attack the President of the United States.
I posted in this thread, so "ALL" would include me, and I never said anything about the president much less anything about him apoligizing, so I find your inclusion of me in your statements insulting that you would define me, or anyone for that matter, as a traitor. That is quite an accusation to make.
At the same time coming from you I am not surprised.
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And Obamas response was to condemn religious intolerance... yeah, that'll teach them to mess with the US... 
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Yea, speechless.
Too many people are "speechless".
Right-wingers label Obama as all the above - and an Atheist because he "took God out of the platform"
Only in their world can you be an Atheist, Muslim, Kenyan, Indonesian, Fascist, Communist, Socialist Anti-Christ.
The Right-Wing has given themselves over to the man in the straight jacket.
Everything they label Obama as is contradicted by - the next "big" thing they label him.
Hardly speechless, but my link was a disapproved site. Keep drinking kool aide. Youre the one labeling anyone who doesnt think Obama is super groovy a traitor. Whats next will you be calling for beheadings?
I DARE YOU TO COME CALL ME A TRAITOR TO MY FACE.
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Well, if we were deploying any "special" units in response to this, we certainly wouldn't announce it. We don't really know right now what our or our president's response was.
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Any idiot can see that your hatred of the President runs deep.
You are all sitting here claiming that Obama "apologized."
He did no such thing.
Romney is repeating that same exact LIE.
You people are absolutely despicable. You want to talk about TRAITORS?
You are the traitors.
An ambassador is killed in an organized attack by Muslim extremists - extremists that used these demonstrations as a cover. Yet, your first inclination is to attack the President of the United States.
No academy award performance here.
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An ambassador is killed in an organized attack by Muslim extremists - extremists that used these demonstrations as a cover. Yet, your first inclination is to attack the President of the United States.
When my brother came back from Iraq a few years back, he told me how they were picking up insurgents if that's what you want to call them, from Libya. Specifically from the Benghazi region. (passports/ID's) The reasons given were that these guys were coming to Iraq to "train" to fight an uprising and to do that against the U.S. soldiers.
Oddly enough, years later during the Arab Spring, it is precisely that region that spurred the Anti-Gaddaffi insurgency and it was these people that Gadaffi was rattting out to the west as being in cahoots with terrorists. AND it is these same people that we tacitly helped overthrow Gadaffi that right or wrong, good or bad.
Maybe we should learn to leave things alone . . .
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You people are absolutely despicable. You want to talk about TRAITORS?
You are the traitors.
Get a hold of yourself for crying out loud . . . .good grief it's a message board man . . .
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Get a hold of yourself for crying out loud . . . .good grief it's a message board man . . .
It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
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Get a hold of yourself for crying out loud . . . .good grief it's a message board man . . .
It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
So if all this is so sickening click this LOGOUT LINK and quit coming here.
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This is what our Embassy in Cairo released last night. The White House said nothing about it until today.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
Sorry, but that's crap. It is also an official statement from the US.
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Get a hold of yourself for crying out loud . . . .good grief it's a message board man . . .
It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
Maybe when Bush was President you should have circulated the memo:
Dear Team,
It is irresponsible for us to blame every thing on the President, call him mocking names, compare him to Hitler and Stalin, create and distribute photoshopped pictures of him comparing him to brutal dictators and zoo animals, cheer when an Iraqi throws a shoe at him, etc. Because someday we will have somebody in the office and we won't like it when they do that to us.
We have the opportunity to create a new standard here and be the bigger person, so I implore you to grow up and act your age.
Sincerely,
Charlie
But you didn't send that did you?
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Hell, he might want to tell Democrats at the DNC to stop calling Republicans "Nazis" too. He also might want to tell other Obama supporters to stop running ads showing some supposed Paul Ryan stand in pushing grandma off a cliff ........ accusing Mitt Romney of all but killing a man's wife, and then have Stephanie Cutter lie about knowing about the man in advance ....... and so on.
This campaign is filthy ..... but from what I have seen, most is coming from the Democrats. I don't think that I've even see an official Romney ad yet.
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This is what our Embassy in Cairo released last night. The White House said nothing about it until today.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
Sorry, but that's crap. It is also an official statement from the US.
Did you know that the US Embassy in Cairo was raided yesterday? That is what that statement is about - the demonstrations in Cairo. Not about the murder in Benghazi, Libya.That statement above, was from YESTERDAY about what happened YESTERDAY. There is even a thread on this board about that event: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/964155/an/0/page/0#Post964155
You are using the statement by the embassy about what happened to the embassy in Cairo to attack the administration because you think the statement about Cairo is about Libya.
The statement you gave me has NOTHING TO DO WITH LIBYA.
Do you hear me? That statement is about the demonstrations in Cairo, yesterday. Yesterday, comments about yesterday. Yesterday there was a demonstration. You are using a statement about Cairo to attack the administration about what happened in Libya.
But, yea, I am going to take somebody's advice on here and just leave because nobody sees this and just want to blame Obama for everything.
It is raining here today, that is probably Obama's fault too, right?
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Speaking in the Rose Garden at the White House, President Obama told reporters the attack would not break the bonds between the US and the new Libyan government.
But he added: "Make no mistake - justice will be done."
I hope so.
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It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
You did exactly that while bush was in office. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
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It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
You did exactly that while bush was in office. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
No offense to you but this is a dumb argument. At some point we have to stop saying "The other guys do it too!!!!" and act like adults and condemn all those who do it - regardless of party affiliation.
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It is sickening and I am sick and tired of it.
What happened has NOTHING to do with Obama yet people attack him for it.
Why? Because they HATE Obama and their hatred of Obama is the only thing that drives them.
You did exactly that while bush was in office. Don't dish it if you can't take it.
No offense to you but this is a dumb argument. At some point we have to stop saying "The other guys do it too!!!!" and act like adults and condemn all those who do it - regardless of party affiliation.
Oh sure, play that card now that *you've* done it and don't want the others to do it!
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This is what our Embassy in Cairo released last night. The White House said nothing about it until today.
"The Embassy of the United States in Cairo condemns the continuing efforts by misguided individuals to hurt the religious feelings of Muslims – as we condemn efforts to offend believers of all religions,"
Sorry, but that's crap. It is also an official statement from the US.
Did you know that the US Embassy in Cairo was raided yesterday? That is what that statement is about - the demonstrations in Cairo. Not about the murder in Benghazi, Libya.That statement above, was from YESTERDAY about what happened YESTERDAY. There is even a thread on this board about that event: https://www.dawgtalkers.net/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/964155/an/0/page/0#Post964155
You are using the statement by the embassy about what happened to the embassy in Cairo to attack the administration because you think the statement about Cairo is about Libya.
The statement you gave me has NOTHING TO DO WITH LIBYA.
Do you hear me? That statement is about the demonstrations in Cairo, yesterday. Yesterday, comments about yesterday. Yesterday there was a demonstration. You are using a statement about Cairo to attack the administration about what happened in Libya.
But, yea, I am going to take somebody's advice on here and just leave because nobody sees this and just want to blame Obama for everything.
It is raining here today, that is probably Obama's fault too, right?
Do you realize that those people who raided both US Embassies committed an act of war against the United States? They invaded sovereign United States territory.
Further, people have freedom of speech in the US. It doesn't have to be polite, or nice, or friendly, or politically correct, or even humane. To condemn speech while excusing an attack on sovereign US territory is inexcusable.
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Someone said that Obama apologized for this, is there any link to that? I'm interested in what he said.
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I never said that he did, I said that his administration did. Our Ambassadors are technically part of the administration. They speak for the President on foreign lands. Honestly, I find it hard to believe that they would release that kind of statement on their own.
So no, the words did not come out of Obama's own mouth, but they did come out of our Embassy in Cairo.
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Pictures from the pro-USA demonstration in Benghazi condemning the attacks on the embassy. http://imgur.com/a/tlCyI
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