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Since the return in 99, which regime has been the biggest failure?

Which Regime has been the biggest failure? single choice
	Carmen Policy/Dwight Clark
	Butch Davis/Pete Garcia
	Phil Savage/Romeo Crennel
	George Kokinis/Eric Mangini
	Tom Heckert/Mike Holmgren/Pat Shurmur
Votes accepted starting: 09/12/12 10:35 AM You must vote before you can view the results of this poll.

I was not expecting to have to hold back tears this early in the morning.

I would actually like to see the stats on these guys before I vote. It should be pretty simple really. Highest win % or playoff appearances to lowest.

I don't see the "All of the above" choice.

Blech... I feel like I need another shower now. How do you pick the worst out of that lot? I went with the first set of losers since they started this mess and we've yet to get ahead of the curve from that point on.

The first set didn't really have a chance at first. They were thrown into a mess from the word go, and had no chance to even put a full front office together before things started happening as far as staffing the roster of the team.

Butch Davis had a winning season and a playoff berth. He took over the mess that Palmer/Policy/Clark left behind. He cannot be the worst.

Savage/Crennel also had a winning season, but for me, they were the most disappointing. Savage wasted out drafts to such an alarming rate that it is like he never even read a scouting report before he started picking players for us.

Edwards, Pool, Frye, Perkins, McMillian, Speegle, Hoffman, Dunn ..... Ugh.

Wimbley, DQ, Wilson, Williams, Sowells, Harrison, Minter, Vickers, Oshinowo, Hamilton. The best player in this group is a LB who was out for back to back years with torn pecs. Ouch. Wimbley is still in the NFL, as is Vickers, but neither made a lasting impact with the Browns.

Thomas, Quinn, Wright, McDonald, Purcell, Pittman, Steptoe Even a blind squirrel couldn't screw up the Thomas pick. Wright was a decent pick. The rest. Bleck.

Bell, Rucker, Rubin, Hubbard, Hall. Well, we got a fine player in Rubin, but that's it.

So, out of 4 drafts we got DQ, Thomas, Wright, and Rubin. Yea. We also traded for Rogers and Williams. Williams was a 4-3 DT trying to play in a 3-4.Rogers had a good year. He had 76 tackles in his 1st season with the Browns. Then he disappeared with seasons of 36 and 17 tackles. Bleh.

So, in 4 drafts, Savage brought us DQ, Thomas, Wright, Rubin, and one year of Rogers. That's 1.25 quality players added to the team per year. Hell, even if we throw Edwards and Williams into the mis, that's still less than 2 quality players per year added tot he team via the draft and trade. That's a huge fail, the biggest of any front office we've had.

Add in the ineptitude of Crennel, and overall it's an easy choice.

Mangini/Kokinis only had 1 year together, so it's hard to make the case that taking over a train wreck and not turning it around makes them the worst. For all of the mistakes they made, they do still have 3 of the 8 players they drafted still on the roster 4 years later. That's not good, but it looks tremendous compared to Savage's record.

I picked Savage/Crennel.. and for only one reason since they all have been failures. That is the group that I had the most confidence in, that is the group that I thought was going to succeed...

To have a "biggest failure" you have to judge against expectations and I had the highest expectations for them.. and they failed, thus making them the biggest failure.

I went with George Kokinis/Eric Mangini. The people before him can be excused for "growing pains". However, by the time these two got in office, they should have been able to build something. Instead, they had an incredibly dysfunctional relationship, traded draft picks for Jets back-ups and did nothing but set us back, not that the others did much better. It's like deciding whether you want to get punched in the face or kicked in the gut.

I can't give a 1 year administration the biggest failure mark ... especially, as noted above, when we have almost as many players from their one draft as we do from the former administration's 4 drafts.

Kokinis only had about a month didn't he?

I voted for the first group. It laid the groundwork for this ineptitude.

They could have built from the lines out, established a running game and built a solid front 7 the first few years of our existence. We should have known that it was going to be a difficult road the first few years. Establish a foundation in order to compete in year 4 and 5.

Instead we drafted terribly with the bevy of picks we had. It's a shame. It could have been different.

I agree 100%... we started this team off on such a horrible start with a ton of draft picks that they basically did nothing with...

but I'll say also I had a TON of confidence/hope in RAC and Savage that they were a close 2nd...

Mangini and Kokinis and it's not even close.

LOL, this is such a silly and depressing conversation because we are arguing on the basis "No way, that guy sucked, but this other guy sucked way more!" Oh, how far we have fallen...

Does anyone have a case for the best regime since 1999?

But they only kept the status quo with the previous regime, who failed. So by virtue didn't they also fail? Oh wait, the magic first year where nothing counts, I remember now.

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Which Regime has been the bigger failure?

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Obama/Biden

I seriously wanted to vomit upon reading this.

Well they all could qualify as Hoover salesmen!!!

I voted for Policy and Clark because they set the stage for the ineptness that followed.