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In a league where the passing game has been really in full force,I checked on a
stat for the Browns passing offense.
going back 6 games including the season opener,the Browns have thrown for a
whopping 2 TDS passes.
heres the irony,the guy on the recieving end is no longer on the team,Evan Moore.
just throwing it out there.
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In a league where the passing game has been really in full force,I checked on a
stat for the Browns passing offense.
going back 6 games including the season opener,the Browns have thrown for a
whopping 2 TDS passes.
heres the irony,the guy on the recieving end is no longer on the team,Evan Moore.
just throwing it out there.
at least we got rid of that scrub TD hording player. 
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DQs TD came on a pass play 
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DQs TD came on a pass play
Hopefully he's not still our leading TD Receiver going into week 3.
(Unless he wants to run a couple more back  )
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Sadly, we only had 30 more receiving yards (118) than we had interception yards (88) 
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But, the good news is, we only gave up 13 Interception return yards! 
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Sadly, we only had 30 more receiving yards (118) than we had interception yards (88)
and here I thought the defense outgained the offense. my bad.
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In a league where the passing game has been really in full force,I checked on a
stat for the Browns passing offense.
going back 6 games including the season opener,the Browns have thrown for a
whopping 2 TDS passes.
heres the irony,the guy on the recieving end is no longer on the team,Evan Moore.
just throwing it out there.
we all know what happend this first game and don't take this personal but, last year, the last 4 games were pretty much with backup QB's (and Colt getting his lights knocked out week in 14).
Throwing out the end of last year's stats with a backup QB are pretty much pointless.
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In games that the Browns scored more points than their opponent in the last 5 years, they are undefeated.
Stats are fun!
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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John Madden once told me that the team that's going to win is just going to have to score more points. I also learned that players such as Ben Rothlisberger need to practice, too.
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that hasn't happened to much now,has it OSU?
I'm illustrating a point that until this team can come up with a passing game that can threaten defenses..the losing will continue.
I will even further my point, a idenity on offense that doesn't ring ineptness.
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that hasn't happened to much now,has it OSU?
I'm illustrating a point that until this team can come up with a passing game that can threaten defenses..the losing will continue.
I will even further my point, a idenity on offense that doesn't ring ineptness.
And I will counter that with once we try some people want to go back that which didnt work and couldnt score.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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In games that the Browns scored more points than their opponent in the last 5 years, they are undefeated.
Stats are fun!
Sad part is that since our return we have actually lost two games where we were ahead when time ran out in the 4th quarter.
The helmet game with Dwayne Rudd, and more recently (I think v Detroit) where we had a defensive penalty as time ran out giving them one more play.
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And I will counter that with once we try some people want to go back that which didnt work and couldnt score.
I've read that 5 times and my brain hurts now. 
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The epitome of futility. One TD pass every 3 games. Astonishing.
It seems impossible that you can not find a capable quarterback and receiver to accomplish more than that.
How can you be in the third year of this regime with the draft and free agency and not find more competent players?
When you look around at the games played and you see how many games are won when teams are down by 7 to 17 points. Then factor into that the Browns have averaged less than 14 points a game.
How can you expect to win? Down by 14 at the half ... Game over.
How many games are decided by late drives for field goals or touchdowns? And you are expected to believe in Brandon and this group of inexperienced and unproductive receivers.
For the last 3 years everybody as asked why not sign a veteran receiver to help?
"We believe in our guys". MoMass and Robiskie are going to develop into productive players. Really?
Then we add Little and Gordon. Draft Weeden in the first round and say "go forth and make it happen".
Haslam no matter how much he believes in continuity has got to be thinking enough already. First off I do not care if we have to draft a QB in the first two rounds for the next three years;
Find somebody who can play the position at a high level. Because if you do not you have no chance of winning anything.
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Deciphering Pat Shurmur’s play-calling tendencies September 14, 2012 – 11:43 am A statistical wizard and friend named Geoff Beckman sent me quite an interesting analysis of the way Pat Shurmur calls games. It’s one of those e-mails that you read and think: Why the heck didn’t I think of that? It was prompted by Sunday’s season opener, when Brandon Weeden threw 35 times and Trent Richardson ran 19 times after not taking part in a full practice since Aug. 7. Richardson had every carry by a Browns running back — even though he had not practiced in a month. So the genial Mr. Beckman examined the 48 games when Shurmur has been the playcaller, 32 in St. Louis as offensive coordinator (record: 8-24) and 16 last season (4-12). He kindly left off the opener, and it truly was kind. Because even though Shurmur is calling the plays the Browns tell us that it’s a “collaborative” thing. The results: The typical game features 30-to-35 passes, with two-thirds of them short, and 20-25 runs by one back. There typically is no running back rotation, just one guy toting the ball. The past three years, Shurmur’s quarterbacks have thrown 570, 590 and 543 passes — an average of 567.7 per season — or 35.5 per game. Those passes were thrown by Marc Bulger, Kyle Boller, Keith Null, Sam Bradford, Colt McCoy and Seneca Wallace. The highest passer rating for any of them in a season was Sam Bradford’s 76.5 (apologies to Brad Childress). Bradford, McCoy and Bulger all had ratings ranging from 70.7 to 76.5. Clearly, quality of quarterback had little to do with the play-calling. At running back, the lead back carried the ball 90 percent of the time (this study consider backs only, not gadget plays or quarterback scrambles). This might be a good idea when a team has Steven Jackson, as the Rams do and did, but last season the Browns followed this principle with Peyton Hillis providing more drama than Jersey Shore and Montario Hardesty fighting through trying to come back too soon from knee surgery and an infection. Yes, it happened with Chris Ogbonnaya as well, but at that point the Browns simply had no other backs. Shurmur dealt with a lot of injuries and drama at running back, but in the 16 games the lead back carried the ball 83.5 percent of the time. In the opener this season, the lead back carried the ball 100 percent of the time. Last season, in three games when Peyton Hillis was fully healthy he carried the ball 27, 26 and 24 times — and no other back got a carry. So the typical Shurmur game has the quarterback throwing 30 times, and the lead back carrying 20 or 25 times — with the coach’s preference leaning toward the higher number. Make of it what you will. But there is enough of a sample to call it a trend. web page
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that hasn't happened to much now,has it OSU?
I'm illustrating a point that until this team can come up with a passing game that can threaten defenses..the losing will continue.
I will even further my point, a idenity on offense that doesn't ring ineptness.
And I will counter that with once we try some people want to go back that which didnt work and couldnt score.
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so basically that says that Shurmer tries to keep a nice balance between running and passing.
30 passes to 20-25 runs is pretty good balance for an NFL team
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?!? i didnt realize it was that bad!
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And I will counter that with once we try some people want to go back that which didnt work and couldnt score.
I've read that 5 times and my brain hurts now.
Sorry must have been typing to fast. Counter was probably the wrong word as well. Probably should have used "add to" instead. I was just having some fun.
And I will counter (add to) that with, Once we try (what you said), Some people (will) want to go back (to) that which didnt work and coudnt score (points).
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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so basically that says that Shurmer tries to keep a nice balance between running and passing.
30 passes to 20-25 runs is pretty good balance for an NFL team
I have no problem with the balance.. I'd like to see a second back get some carries even when the lead back is healthy.
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so basically that says that Shurmer tries to keep a nice balance between running and passing.
30 passes to 20-25 runs is pretty good balance for an NFL team
I have no problem with the balance.. I'd like to see a second back get some carries even when the lead back is healthy.
It was funny because after reading that and watching the game yesterday we had a play where T-Rich went out and I knew it was going to be a pass play.
It was complete and a good play but if we know these things so does the defense.
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so basically that says that Shurmer tries to keep a nice balance between running and passing.
30 passes to 20-25 runs is pretty good balance for an NFL team
I have no problem with the balance.. I'd like to see a second back get some carries even when the lead back is healthy.
It was funny because after reading that and watching the game yesterday we had a play where T-Rich went out and I knew it was going to be a pass play.
It was complete and a good play but if we know these things so does the defense.
I'm sure that with game planning and film study both sides are able to recognize a lot based on personnel groupings and alignment.. the players still have to execute the play.
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so basically that says that Shurmer tries to keep a nice balance between running and passing.
30 passes to 20-25 runs is pretty good balance for an NFL team
I have no problem with the balance.. I'd like to see a second back get some carries even when the lead back is healthy.
It was funny because after reading that and watching the game yesterday we had a play where T-Rich went out and I knew it was going to be a pass play.
It was complete and a good play but if we know these things so does the defense.
In fairness, most of those were probably 3rd down situations, and we do tend to throw on 3rd and 4-5 or more.
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Im not knocking the play at all. It was just strange seeing T-Rich going off to the sideline thinking ok pass play for sure. The play worked and I gave Shurmur props in another thread for calling a good game. Its a good sign if I know whats coming and probably the Defense knows what coming and they still cant stop it. 
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Yeah, but many teams bring in a "3rd down back", with the opposing team knowing that they're probably going to pass. We're no different.
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Yeah let's not get too analytical. Driving into work listening to Kiley and Booms and Kevin Kiley was complaining about Weeden's throws were all between the hash marks and teams are going to pick up on that. I just shook my head at the manufactured criticism. I mean if the Bengals are giving you the middle of the field then you take it. If other teams try to cover the middle and leave the side lines open then I would have to think between Weeden, Childress and Shurmur they will recognize that and take advantage of it.
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Not really sure what your trying to prove here.. If anything
I only care about the last 8 quarters. and we stunk on offense in the first game, played way better in the second.
That's all I care about...
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Yeah let's not get too analytical. Driving into work listening to Kiley and Booms and Kevin Kiley was complaining about Weeden's throws were all between the hash marks and teams are going to pick up on that. I just shook my head at the manufactured criticism. I mean if the Bengals are giving you the middle of the field then you take it. If other teams try to cover the middle and leave the side lines open then I would have to think between Weeden, Childress and Shurmur they will recognize that and take advantage of it.
In the PD here is the break down
In the air- left side - middle- rightside
21+ yds - 0-1 - 0-1 - 0-2
11-20 yds- 0-1 - 6-6 - 1-2
0-10 yds - 5-6 - 2-3 - 6-9
behind line- 1-1 - 0-0 - 5-5
like you said if they are giving you the middle of the field you take it.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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They showed a bunch of single safety Sunday if I remember correctly. Open middle can mean big plays. Sideline patterns Only help defenders. Glad to see us use the middle. TR likes the outside; use it. The routine between the guards on 1st down (again) is getting predictable or I predict it will be. Screens and outside would offer welcome variety IMO. But TR was a one-man show. 
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The routine between the guards on 1st down (again) is getting predictable or I predict it will be. Screens and outside would offer welcome variety IMO.
Let me try to dispel that myth for you. This week, we ran 29 first down plays.. exactly 9 of them were TRich up the middle... that's less than 1/3.... those numbers are a little skewed because toward the end we threw on every down and ended the game with 8 consecutive 1st down pass attempts, I'm sure if we had the lead, that would be reversed.. but still, you are talking about less than half of our first down plays being TRich up the middle.
What were our other plays? We had a few runs to the outside with Benjamin and TRich, then we had a bunch of pass plays... How effective was it? Benjamin on the first play of the game rushed around end for 13 yards, TRich draw play for a TD came on first down, TRich dump off pass for a TD came on first down, TD pass to Little over the middle came on first down, 22 yard pass down the middle to MoMass came on first down... so one could make a case that our rushing attempts up the middle on first down really opened up other big play opportunities... But how effective were the actual runs up the middle? Well, these are the rushes up the middle on first down, 2 yards, 1 yard, 7 yards, 4 yards, 3 yards, 9 yards, 9 yards, 6 yards and the 32 yard TD run... That's a 8.1 ypc average on our first down runs up the middle.. even if you take out the 32 yarder, its still a 5.1 ypc average...
Overall, I'd say it's working great and until somebody stops it, keep doing it.
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j/c
none of the really matters because:
The Browns were 0-2 in:
• 1999 and finished 2-14.
• 2003 and finished 5-11.
• 2006 and finished 4-12.
• 2008 and finished 4-12.
• 2009 and finished 5-11.
• 2010 and finished 5-11.
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
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