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I also admitted the replacement refs are not ruining the game for me, its not like the old ones got every call correct.
Well they sure are ruining it for a lot of people. and the calls or lack rgwere of may end up deciding some of the teams who do and don't make the playoffs.
If the NFL doesn't get this rigt soon, we will have a monitary value as to just how much they really care about player safety and the integrity of the game. And when compared to the NFL's annual income, it will be a paultry sum.
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So the NFL wants Full time Refs, which would logically improve over the current locked out refs...
But they don't care about the game?
They are just supposed to give up the main point they want? And give the guys that already have other jobs (and possibly other pensions) everything they want?
Ok then.
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Let's see how that works. It's called negotiations for a reason.
I'd be willing to be t that if the NFL would agree to keep the pensions for current refs and start the 401k program for new hires, the refs would give on other points.
No, I don't think either side should get 100% of what they want. That's why it's called negotiations. The only thing I really feel is holding this thing up is the pension program.
If the NFL moved on that, I would them be looking for concessions by the refs in return.
Why, did you see me advocate they give the refs "everything they asked for"? Or did you see me speak of the pension plan?
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So you assume the "Full Time Refs" thing is just a negotiating ploy?
So basically everything the NFL does is wrong right?
That's your theme as of late.
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Better start respecting those refs!
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Good.
Just because it isn't Ed Fricken Hochuli doesn't mean you shouldn't show them respect as the official of the game.
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Excuse me? Once again I said that if the NFL moved on the pension fund, I would expect the refs to move on other issues. I expect both sides to conceed. That's what negotiations are about.
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That's your theme as of late.
I didn't overturn the suspensions of bountygate. Someone else decided that was wrong.
I think both sides of the negotiations concerning the refs need to give some concessions. But I do believe that the biggest obsticle is taking away a current benifit which is a pension they already have.
Seems like you've decided to make a blanket statement when I have already pointed out that it's a single issue I'm refering to. So you go ahead.
But yes, I think Goodell will need to re-think how he is operating and it appears that I wasn't alone in that when it comes to bountygate. Sorry it didn't turn out the way you planned.
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Life shouldn't be a one way street by either. I guess what you are suggesting is that no matter how successful the NFL gets, all that contributed to making that happen shouldn't get their fair share?
The janitors and beer vendors eagerly await their pensions and massive pay increases.
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Fines and suspensions will be next and this sick joke will be taken to yet another level.
This part I will enjoy!
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Life shouldn't be a one way street by either. I guess what you are suggesting is that no matter how successful the NFL gets, all that contributed to making that happen shouldn't get their fair share?
Should a secretary at Apple or Exxon make $400K a year? Should the towel boy for the Browns make $100K a year?.. they can afford it.
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The player contract gives them a share according to income but somehow the refs should be treated differently?
Absolutely. Nobody goes to a game to see the refs. The players make the game what it is.... reference the last couple weeks, is attendance down? Is TV viewing down? Other than Ed Hockulee, how many refs can most people name? and other than griping and complaining, nobody really cares that these are replacement refs.... and if a few weeks go by and these refs start to get more confidence, start moving the games a long quicker, get better adjusted to the speed of the game... people will care even less.
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Fines and suspensions will be next and this sick joke will be taken to yet another level.
This part I will enjoy!
Players and coaches at every level are taught to respect the refs. Bashing the backups for players and coaches misbehavior is a bit off base.
Someone talked about a sub teacher coming into a class room. That does not excuse bad behavior by the students and if they continue punishment is next.
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What if the teachers dont know the subject matter, and have no idea how to control the classroom?
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What blown calls have seen this year? Sure there are a few but that happened with the reg refs and people just complained now they act like its the end of world.
If your a Pro act like a Pro.
Do we have instant replay because the reg refs get every call right everytime. No its because they missed call's.
You can pick out any year and I can probably find you a blown call.
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What if the teachers dont know the subject matter, and have no idea how to control the classroom?
The subs know the subject matter well enough to wait out the return of the real teachers. And the students should understand that and help the subs get through this situation.
What I'm seeing is the players and coaches freaking out at EVERY call, even when it is indeed worthy of a flag. Why? Because they have a scapegoat, the "ref's don't know what they're doing".
I had last night's game on and saw a Giants player get flagged for PI. While he had a good play on the front side, is arm was twisting the WR from the back. It's a flag. But he jumped up screaming, flailling his arms and walking towards the ref that threw the flag. He ends up doing a "drive-by". While players would freak out before, nobody would try that with the regular refs. And again, it was PI.
I'm seeing a lot of players & coaches complaining and not helping the replacements refs out on the field. It's making a slightly average problem into a bigger one.
And then I hear that the replacement refs are creating an unsafe working environment for the players......how so? When Harrison blasted McCoy in the head last year, I didn't hear anyone blaming the refs for that hit.
AND THEN, why are the players and coaches even complaining about the NFL? This is the owners....their own owners are doing this. It's like an attack on the Commish and the league office. The owners run this league. If they wanted the real refs back, they would be back.
Meh...this whole situation is overblown and overhyped. The replacements are doing fine for what they are. The league, if they want to keep the fight against the regular refs, need to do what they did today, tell the players and coaches to shut their traps during and after the game and stop thinking they can "get away" with fighting because the replacements aren't watching.
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For what its worth I am on the Refs side (see my pay the refs post earlier in this thread) I was just playing devil's advocate.
The refs need to learn to control the players and coaches and game some. Also, they need to grow some thicker skin.
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What can these refs do to control the players (outside of throwing 150 unsportsmanlike penalties that end of offsetting each other)? Can they warn the coach/bench like in MLB and start throwing out players at their discretion? Can they throw a player out of the game if he gets 2, 3, 7 unsportsmanlike penalties (assuming he never throws a punch)?
I'm asking because I don't really know. In MLB, a player can be tossed for an unlimited number of reasons at just about any moment. It seems like the NFL can only throw a player out if he throws a punch.
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I could say the same thing about the players and coaches. They are whining and crying about calls that are perfectly legit in an attempt to intimidate the refs... and like was said, what is the refs recourse?
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yeah thats exactly why the league is saying, put a stop to it or we will fine you then sit you. Respect the game.
On a side note I think they can toss a guys like in basketball. It has to be something big. I've probably seen heard maybe 10 guys being ejected from games.
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I have always been taught and believe that respect is earned, not given.
I've seen nothing shown by the replacement refs that has done anything to earn the respect of the players or the coaches.
All this "warning" was, is simply that Goodell will play dirty with anyone who doesn't walk the chalk line.
The NFL has made a huge error in regards to player safety and wants to keep it as quiet as possible.
And of course it expects its employees to play follow the leader and and act as if nothing is wrong.
If anyone is disrespecting the game, it's the NFL by having high school and smaller college refs try to be pro refs. It's an utter joke and it will play out and is playing out as just that,
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NFL tells team to back off replacement refs NFL teams have been put on notice: Easy on the replacement refs. Senior executives from the league made contact with all 32 teams this week through phone calls to team owners, general managers and coaches to reiterate that verbal abuse of the replacement officials will be subject to stiff punishment. The urgency for such dialogue was perhaps best reflected by outbursts by Denver Broncos coach John Fox and defensive coordinator Jack Del Rio during Monday night's game in Atlanta, which included a long, heated exchange after a first-half fumble. "There's a mob mentality that can take control if you let things get out of hand," Ray Anderson, the NFL's executive vice president for game operations, told USA TODAY Sports on Friday. "We never expect to see what occurred during the first half of the game at Atlanta on Monday happen on the field again."Other cases also surfaced, including a fiery protest on the field by San Francisco 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh during Sunday night's contest against the Detroit Lions -- when 49ers quarterback Alex Smith was hit in the head (and left with a bloody case on his nose) by Lions safety John Wendling despite sliding at the end of a scramble. No flag was thrown. The NFL received a flood of criticism from players, coaches and media analysts following the Week 2 games. While the league can't control the feedback from media, it can indeed take measures to put the clamps on its players and coaches, which was first revealed on Thursday by ESPN.Fox and Harbaugh are subject to fines for their outbursts, but Anderson declined to confirm whether they were disciplined. "Players and coaches sometimes think, 'If you can push the limit a little bit, you will,' " said Anderson, who was among the league executives who called teams this week. "We want to put a restraint on it." Meanwhile, the NFL had face-to-face negotiations with the NFL Referees Association (NFLRA) on Tuesday and Wednesday in New York. The meetings are said to have ended without substantial progress as significant economic gaps remain between the league and its locked-out game officials. Mike Arnold, NFLRA negotiator and spokesman, told The Associated Press there may be additional talks but that it is "not appropriate" to talk about specific issues discussed. As controversy escalates, Anderson characterized the feedback from NFL teams to the league's mandate this week as "very supportive." Said Anderson: "Other clubs who were not involved in Monday night's game who weighed in were embarrassed for the NFL." Even so, the league has also reminded the officials of their role in trying to control games -- and the instances that can spark outbursts and altercations between players. "Game control is imperative," Anderson said. "We made it the primary point of emphasis to the officials this week, to make sure you keep the games under control. "We've told them, 'Do not have any tolerance after the play for pushing and shoving, that can escalate. If you see the initiator, you need to be assertive and flag them. Our people know the line, and what is proper. Do not allow them to push the envelope.' " http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...rees/70000828/1
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Randy Galloway: Will NFL seek to take cover under yellow hankies? The word is out for Sunday: The dominant color for all NFL games in Week 3 will be yellow. As in yellow hankies littering the field. A flag-fest in a football game has absolutely no appeal to anyone, including those of us attending the Cowboys home opener at the Big Yard, but it's a predictable counterattack by the Goodell Gang-bangers on Park Avenue in New York. With its replacement officiating crews - "scabs," if you want to get unionized about it - the NFL took a PR beating across the land last weekend. This was a dramatic one-eighty from Week 1, when we all had to agree the league won the PR battle against the locked out regular officials. A friend who draws a paycheck from the NFL didn't exactly agree with me on the difference between Week 1 and Week 2. On Thursday, he said, "The league won Week 1, and last week, I'd call it a Mexican standoff." I didn't see the Mexican standoff. I saw the replacements seriously lose a battle over control and respect, which was predictable. Sooner or later, or as long as the replacements are working at a job they aren't qualified to do, the players and coaches would take advantage of these newbies. The abuse flowed across the league in Week 2. Which brings us back to what people with knowledge of the situation are predicting for Sunday. That being, the league has ordered the replacements to fight back with their yellow hankies, including an emphasis on unsportsmanlike conduct calls. Yes, the replacements have missed calls, or thrown phantom flags, or have had issues with rules interpretation. But over the years, how many times have we seen the regulars miss calls, or throw phantom flags? In fact, the league now issues positive "talking points" on the officiating each week, but what missed the talking point and what hit Roger Goodell upside his hard head last weekend was a failure by the replacements to take control of games and keep the games moving. Plus, the verbal abuse was immense. The lack of respect, and no fear of retaliation, empowered players and coaches to go far beyond where they would normally tread with the regulars. Will a flurry of flags this week change that? No, of course not. Players and coaches smell blood. They will continue to go over the line of protocol when dealing with the replacements. There are games to be won, and there are jobs on the line for coaches and players. What the combatants see are pigeons working as the "cops" of football. Human nature says the pigeons will be abused. Meanwhile, I have no stance on which side is wrong in the financial battle between Goodell and the regular officials. Are the money demands of the regulars so far out of line the league had to take the lockout stance, or is the league squeezing the regulars and attempting to break their union? Don't know. But we all know the NFL is a massive business where the rich owners become richer because of the value of a league franchise. There is plenty of money to go around and make everyone happy, except those who have the money don't want to give up the money. Goodell, of course, has been on a power trip, starting with his overreaction and grandstanding in the case against the New Orleans Saints, a ruling that was more about evidence he could present in the pending lawsuits against the NFL by former players, who claim the league ignored player safety issues. For an encore, the commissioner also decided to muscle the regular officials. And that has put the league in a position where the emphasis this season has been as much about the replacement officials as it is about the actual playing of the games. And now, player safety is a central issue again, because with the lack of control by the replacements in Week 2, it put the league back on the defensive about that topic. We all applauded Hall of Famer Steve Young for his powerful ESPN comments after the Monday night mess in Atlanta. Young said of the NFL: "There is nothing they can do to hurt demand for the game. So the bottom line is they don't care. Go ahead, gripe all you want. Let them eat cake." Eat your cake. Goodell and the owners Do. Not. Care. Another funny line on that Monday night mess came from former Cowboys front office executive Gil Brandt, who now writes a column for NFL.com., meaning he's an employee of the NFL. With a big fuss over how incompetent the replacements were when attempting to determine which team (Atlanta or Denver) recovered a fumble on Monday night, Brandt told me Thursday: "Maybe (the replacements) got it wrong, but I also have one less Super Bowl ring and the Cowboys have one less Lombardi because an (regular) official blew a call on a fumble." Gil has a long and bitter memory, and rightfully so. Official Jack Fette infamously melted down on such a call in the 1970 Super Bowl loss to the Baltimore Colts. According to several sources, the league answer on Sunday to what went on last week will be ordering the replacements to give us a flag-fest, instead of the league simply going back to the negotiating table with the regulars. Oh, boy. More muscle from Roger Goodell, the commissioner who does not care. We get that part of it, for sure. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2012/09/21/2304327/randy-galloway-will-nfl-seek-to.html
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I have always been taught and believe that respect is earned, not given.
What does this mean? If this lockout/strike never happened and they just hired a new ref from Div1, he gets zero respect until earned? So they question every call he makes and rips his performance to the media just because he's new? To me, respect is earned until the person proves they can't handle the job. As of now, they're doing a fine job understanding where they come from and the amount of pressure is on them.
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All this "warning" was, is simply that Goodell will play dirty with anyone who doesn't walk the chalk line.
Why is this perceived a Goodell mandate? The owners are the ones playing hardball with the refs....Goodell is just doing what the owners want. Like I said above, if the owners wanted the regular refs back, they'd be back in 1 minute.
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The NFL has made a huge error in regards to player safety and wants to keep it as quiet as possible.
What is the player safety problem exactly? I'm not sure why the players are in more danger with these refs. The same league rules apply as before. The same amount of missed illegal hits are happening now as they were last year. And the league is penalizing players for overly aggressive hits without penalty flags just as before (reviewing the games at the league office).
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If anyone is disrespecting the game, it's the NFL by having high school and smaller college refs try to be pro refs. It's an utter joke and it will play out and is playing out as just that,
What do you want the NFL to do? The real refs are asking for a larger pension and benefits plan than the normal league employees that work 40-hour work weeks all year long. These refs work 21 weekends (+playoffs games if they qualify) and have to attend a few performace and rules review workshops througout the season. They get paid travel, per diem and stay in very nice hotels on top of their 6-figure average salary. Now, it doesn't matter if you or I think they should/shouldn't get a higher salary or more pension/benefits....the league doesn't think they deserve it, so the refs are sitting out trying to get their way. If you're the league and you don't want to cave in to the refs and their demands, what do you do?
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What if the teachers dont know the subject matter, and have no idea how to control the classroom?
I have always been taught and believe that respect is earned, not given.
I've seen nothing shown by the replacement refs that has done anything to earn the respect of the players or the coaches.
All this "warning" was, is simply that Goodell will play dirty with anyone who doesn't walk the chalk line.
The NFL has made a huge error in regards to player safety and wants to keep it as quiet as possible.
And of course it expects its employees to play follow the leader and and act as if nothing is wrong.
If anyone is disrespecting the game, it's the NFL by having high school and smaller college refs try to be pro refs. It's an utter joke and it will play out and is playing out as just that,
I can tell you this if a cop pulls you over you will repect him even if you didnt know him and if you dont you will get fined. Why Because if you didnt know the judgel and disrepect them your really going to get hit.
You dont have to respect people you have to be accountable for your actions by people that are in charge.
Be it teachers coaches police judges bosses etc or heaven forbid Refs.
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What does this mean? If this lockout/strike never happened and they just hired a new ref from Div1, he gets zero respect until earned? So they question every call he makes and rips his performance to the media just because he's new? To me, respect is earned until the person proves they can't handle the job. As of now, they're doing a fine job understanding where they come from and the amount of pressure is on them.
In case you missed much of week 2, that's exactly what happened. These replacement refs let things get out of control. They blew a lot of calls. You have players and coaches working for their jobs and their futures here being officiated by people who are far from qualified to do so.
These replacement refs will be out the door and will only be here until the lock out is sewttled, while these players and coaches reputations and careers hinge on the outcome of these games.
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Why is this perceived a Goodell mandate? The owners are the ones playing hardball with the refs....Goodell is just doing what the owners want. Like I said above, if the owners wanted the regular refs back, they'd be back in 1 minute.
It's a mandate simply because the NFL wishes for poor officiating and bad calls to be swept under the rug. They are tired of their error that is being put in the national spotlight to end. If things were going well, they'd proudly be announcing it. Yet when things are going badly, they want it kept hush hush.
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What is the player safety problem exactly? I'm not sure why the players are in more danger with these refs.
Then you must be missing wR's getting mauled with no calls on pass interferance. You must be missing the brawls on the field when these officials let pushing and shoving continue without quick flags. It's all there if you bother to look.
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The same league rules apply as before. The same amount of missed illegal hits are happening now as they were last year. And the league is penalizing players for overly aggressive hits without penalty flags just as before (reviewing the games at the league office).
Rules are only as good as they are enforced. Just keep watching how this all goes and I doubt you have a leg left to stand in if this lasts a couple of more weeks.
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What do you want the NFL to do? The real refs are asking for a larger pension and benefits plan than the normal league employees that work 40-hour work weeks all year long. These refs work 21 weekends (+playoffs games if they qualify) and have to attend a few performace and rules review workshops througout the season. They get paid travel, per diem and stay in very nice hotels on top of their 6-figure average salary. Now, it doesn't matter if you or I think they should/shouldn't get a higher salary or more pension/benefits....the league doesn't think they deserve it, so the refs are sitting out trying to get their way. If you're the league and you don't want to cave in to the refs and their demands, what do you do?
If the NFL and the fans can't see the difference here and just how much difference these replacement officials are having on the game, I don't know what they're watching or if they're watching.
I watch five games every week so maybe that's why I see it so much. But it's not pretty and for people who wish to "uphold the integrity of the game", they sure don't seem to back that up with their wallets. That only happens when they expect others to do it.
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I can tell you this if a cop pulls you over you will repect him even if you didnt know him and if you dont you will get fined. Why Because if you didnt know the judgel and disrepect them your really going to get hit.
Because it really has nothing to do with being innocent or guilty but about kissing butt?
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You dont have to respect people you have to be accountable for your actions by people that are in charge.
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Be it teachers coaches police judges bosses etc or heaven forbid Refs.
I'm very glad our forefathers didn't share your views or we would still be paying taxes to the Queen! After all, it was her and the British that were in charge, right?
How quickly people forget the principals our very nation was founded upon. It surely wasn't founded on giving respect to people that didn't earn it.
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If the coaches and players were so worried about the New Refs, maybe they could help them out.
Just like when a team loses a key player, the rest of the team ups it's game around the new guy, to help him out.
They don't bully him and mock him when he makes mistakes.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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They don't bully him and mock him when he makes mistakes.
ahhh, the old "bully" line. I guess when your career is at stake and you complain, then you are a "bully". How politicaly correct that all sounds!
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NFL replacement referees continue to drop the ball
Another Sunday has arrived, and the NFL has good reason for prayer.
The first two weeks of the football season did not go smoothly, and now America's most popular sport has a burgeoning credibility crisis on its hands. Thanks to a labor impasse, the league has been using replacement officials who so far have shown themselves to be alarmingly mistake-prone, star-struck and shaky on the NFL rule book.
Games are dragging out as officials dither. Blatant fouls -- including a cheap shot last week against 49ers quarterback Alex Smith -- aren't being called, possibly putting players at risk.
It has led to a growing outcry over how long a $9 billion-a-year entertainment industry can go with overmatched second-stringers in charge.
"It's garbage. It's terrible. It's awful," Bay Area native and Fox television analyst Tim Ryan said of the officiating. "These are guys like substitute teachers, and nobody respects them."
With no settlement on the immediate horizon, fans may have to get used to the sight of confused officials huddled in endless conferences as tempers rise.
"This is not a problem that's going to get better anytime soon," said former Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon, a CBS broadcaster. "It's not like they're suddenly going to figure it out. It's inevitable that it's going to cost somebody a game."
That nearly happened in Week 1 when a referee awarded Seattle an extra timeout late in a close game -- a gaffe that could have allowed the Seahawks to steal a victory from Arizona.
Some replacements have embarrassed themselves even without a whistle. One was yanked hours before the New Orleans-Carolina game last week because his Facebook page revealed his unabashed Saints fandom. Philadelphia running back LeSean McCoy said another official told him he needed him to play well for his fantasy team.
Perhaps more alarming: At a time when the NFL claims to be emphasizing player safety, the games have become chippy affairs with scuffles after plays and questionable hits. While trying to slide to safety last week against Detroit, Smith was struck by a defender's forearm, opening up a gash on the bridge of his nose. No flag was thrown, but the Lions' John Wendling was later fined $7,785 by the league.
"This is just not the same NFL game that we're used to seeing," said Fox officiating expert Mike Pereira, the former head of league officials. "It's sad. The league doesn't want the games to be played like this. Regular officials make mistakes, too. But they don't make as many and they don't do the (huddling) thing out on the field that ruins the game's pace."
The league locked out the officials in June when their contract expired. Negotiations with the union over salary and benefits broke down before the start of the season.
The two sides met again last week, but they reportedly remain far apart. In the meantime, the league continues to use replacements with mixed pedigrees.
Pereira said many are small-college officials while others are former major-college refs who have come out of retirement. He knows of one who only had high school experience, as well as three former Pac-12 Conference officials who had been let go for poor performance. While all have been studying the NFL rules since early summer, they've been placed in a difficult situation.
"I feel bad for this group because they're doing the best that they can," said Pereira, a Santa Clara University graduate. "But officials need to know the rule book by heart. You can't question yourself in the heat of battle. And without total knowledge of the rule, you can't react, and then you become tentative. That's what we are seeing."
While officials have been subjected to some animated verbal tirades by coaches, many players are trying to cut the replacements some slack.
"They have a very tough job and they're doing it, basically, without a lot of training," 49ers offensive tackle Joe Staley said.
"Out there on the field, you get a little (upset) sometimes. But they're doing the best job they can and there really isn't a ton more you can say about that."
The replacements generally did a passable job the opening week, except for that near-disastrous extra timeout. But last weekend was different as the new guys struggled with the game's speed, frustrated teams with inconsistent calls and often failed to maintain order.
"This is their first time in the arena, and anyone who says that they're not nervous or not being intimidated being on the big stage is wrong," said Ronnie Lott, the former 49ers safety and Hall of Famer. "Anyone who ever was a rookie came into the league with butterflies, and I'm sure it's the case with these guys."
In particular, the replacements have had problems calling -- or not calling -- pass interference penalties. Players also have quickly learned they can push the boundaries when it comes to clutching and grabbing.
"You try to block it out. ... But at the end of the day there's nothing you can do," Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said. "Arguing a call, yelling at a ref, trying to get an explanation for something, you just can't. You've just got to focus on your job."
After last week's games, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello issued a statement that the replacements "are performing admirably." Upon further review, maybe he should have waited until the conclusion of Monday's game between Atlanta and Denver -- nothing less than a comedy of errors.
There were reversed calls, incorrect spotting of the football and a fumble that resulted in an intense skirmish and six-minute delay. Eventually the officials gave the ball to Atlanta, even though a Denver player had emerged with it from the pile.
"It's embarrassing -- the command and control of this game is gone," ESPN broadcaster Mike Tirico told a national audience.
Later in the week, the NFL warned teams that it won't tolerate confrontational behavior toward officials. Aiello also revised the NFL's assessment via email: "We are going to continue to do everything possible to raise the level of performance of the current officials."
That the NFL has allowed griping about the officials to become the No. 1 topic of conversation is a rare misstep for the usually public-relations-savvy league.
"Every radio show, every TV show, even Jay Leno -- they are all talking about it," former NFL referee Jerry Markbreit told Fox Sports Radio. "That's the worst thing you can have."
Ryan is particularly appalled that with all the discussion about concussion dangers, players aren't being adequately protected.
"For them not to get calls about defenseless hits right is a joke," said Ryan, a graduate of San Jose's Oak Grove High who played four NFL seasons. "I did the St. Louis-Washington game and there were maybe 25 mini-scuffles. Then I'm watching the Monday night game and there should have been three ejections for throwing punches. Instead there was one penalty called. There is a safety issue. Somebody is going to get hurt."
Then there's the betting issue. Las Vegas casinos believe this will be the highest-scoring weekend ever because of the replacements. And lines may be skewed even more toward the home team if officials continue calling penalties against the visitors at a higher rate.
But, Ryan added, if fans keep watching, the league can hold its ground. The one thing that could end the impasse: an influential owner putting his foot down.
"If the Cowboys lose a game on a bad call, then maybe Jerry Jones will call some of his friends and they'll decide to get this solved," Gannon said. "It's going to take something like that."
Staff writers Daniel Brown and Jerry McDonald contributed to this report. Contact Mark Emmons at 408-920-5745.
Copyright 2012 Daily Democrat. All rights reserved.
http://www.dailydemocrat.com/sports/ci_21607338/nfl-replacement-referees-continue-drop-ball
Being frustrated because incompitant people are put in charge and risking the safety of your players and the outcome of your games is now called being a bully.
I'll have to make a note of that.
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You love this whole "risking the safety of the players" gimmick don't you? Yeah, I really wish the Refs would stop telling the players to continue hitting people after the whistle. Which obviously must be a new rule... 
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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All good responses, I just don't think its as big of a problem as you or the media are saying.
The one point I disagree heavily is still player safety. The WRs are in danger because they're being mauled? There have been more PI calls after two weeks this year than last year at the same point. These refs are calling PI....heck, I'd argue they're still calling it too heavy. And if they called more PI than they already are, the fans, coaches, players and media would be all over them for trying to slow the game down even further.
As for the scrums and fights after the whistle.....ugh, again...I'm blaming the players for doing that. They know the rules and they're beating up each other. The players are now chanting "protect us from ourselves". So with replacement refs, the players need the league to step in to tone the violence down......but with the regular refs, they complain about the league legislating out hard hits and any contact with the QB. Which is it? Can they control themselves or not? (not even bringing in the topic of lawsuits for head injuries).
To me, I don't mind the extra time the refs are taking.....I watch all the games with a time delay so I can fast forward to the action.
Just for discussion sake, if you were an owner and the refs came to you with crazy demands for their pay, pension and benefits....would you just give it to them? And if you said no, what would you do in the meantime while the regular refs were sitting out? Cancel the games?
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Just for discussion sake, if you were an owner and the refs came to you with crazy demands for their pay, pension and benefits....would you just give it to them? And if you said no, what would you do in the meantime while the regular refs were sitting out? Cancel the games?
He would pay them whatever they asked apparently...Because getting the real refs out there is the most important thing...
And he has alot of money right now, and apparently assumes he'll be making money forever.
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Well, I wouldn't go that far. I just want to know what the replacement ref bashers would do in the same situation. Assume you're an owner that doesn't want to give in to the regular refs.....what do you do to keep the games going and also break the regular refs demands? I don't see many other options.
What other set of replacement refs would be better? If player safety and coaching livelihoods are truly in jeopardy, should they just cancel the games until the regular refs are brought back (with or without a better deal)?
I really think the substitute teacher analogy is spot on. When I was in 8th grade we had a stern but fun male math teacher. He ran a high-energy, demanding class that gave us a voice in the progress. Well, he was out for a day and we DESTROYED the diminutive female sub. Part of the class was talking while she was teaching, part were correcting her attempts to teach us the subject since we knew it so well and the others were just laughing at the first two groups. Needless to say she made it halfway before leaving in tears. Well, the next day....we got our asses reamed! He laid into us how we should have respected her attempts to teach us even though she was unaware how advanced we were, we should have slowed to her tempo even though we were used to a loud, raucous style he provided and we not only should have given her the same amount of leeway he received, but more since she was doing the harder job (coming in cold to a new class, in the middle of the year and to a new school). He yelled at us for 5 minutes and then made us sit in silence for the other 55 minutes. I can't speak for everyone else, but I felt horrible (and I wasn't one of the mouthy kids).
Sorry....long story, but the point is, the players, coaches, media and fans should be more understanding with the refs. The men on the field should be helping the replacement refs, not trying to find new ways to undermine them or push the boundaries of the rules.
Sure, the NFL dropped the ball by not resolving this issue prior to the season, but that ship has sailed. I would prefer if we would all cut these replacement refs some slack.
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I think a big part of the problem is that some folks really seem to be romanticizing the recent performance of the normal refs. There are a lot of head refs who are pretty inexperienced, and who have done less-than-stellar jobs over the past three or four seasons.
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and I think some people are simplifying the skills, experience, and talent it would take to call a game as we have been used to. The way the game is called right now is not in the same universe as what we saw last year. Holding is rampant, defensive holding, picks on offense, illegal blocks, defenseless players being drilled, I mean are you watching the games?
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Yeah, I've watched several games over the first two weeks of the season. The replacement refs have been pretty bad. The regular refs are better. However, "better" is a comparative term. To hear most people talk, you'd think the regular refs were infallible.
Sure, when the regulars return there won't be the huddling and discussing of procedural matters. There's still going to be uncalled holds and questionable interferences and bad spots and myriad head-scratching decisions galore, just like there was last year and the year before that and the year before that. Let's not put these guys on such a lofty pedestal.
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I can tell you this if a cop pulls you over you will repect him even if you didnt know him and if you dont you will get fined. Why Because if you didnt know the judgel and disrepect them your really going to get hit.
Because it really has nothing to do with being innocent or guilty but about kissing butt?
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You dont have to respect people you have to be accountable for your actions by people that are in charge.
So if they put irresponsible people in charge, we shouldn't say anything or try to correct that?
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Be it teachers coaches police judges bosses etc or heaven forbid Refs.
I'm very glad our forefathers didn't share your views or we would still be paying taxes to the Queen! After all, it was her and the British that were in charge, right?
How quickly people forget the principals our very nation was founded upon. It surely wasn't founded on giving respect to people that didn't earn it.
1st part no its about people that can hit you in the wallet.
2nd part Your say they are bad, I dont agree they are doing about the same. As I said every week of every year before this one there are blown calls. Its why we have instant replay.
As for your founding fathers wouldnt they be considered REPLACEMENT OFFICIALS? that was great. I guess that makes you more for wanting the British then me.
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Just some general comments...
...we are only starting week 3 and most the teams are not ready to panic, even if there team is 0-2...there are 6 teams that are currently 0-2. So, for the most part, teams are not feeling the pressure, YET !
The officiating gaffs in the Atlanta/Denver game's did result in some criticism from the coaches and players but ranger Roger came riding in to rescue his "replacement refs", threatening all the NFL coaches and players with disciplinary actions if they don't end their criticism of the officiating.
Roger's threats will probably stifle the criticism this week, but long term, I don't know if that is going to work.
So far though, "the owners" do not appear to be worried...not YET !
But, each week the pressure is going to build on the owners and they are going to put the pressure on Roger to get a deal done.
How much longer the lock-out continues is up to Roger and the owners.
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http://media.lockerdome.com/uploads/f2bf41e8ee6ae3f112fd14436c01631d_largeIn case anyone missed it. No one even stepped out of bounds and no penalties were called, why would he have thrown the hat to begin with... let alone in the path of the player who was actually thrown the ball to on that play. It was third down and made him miss the touchdown.
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Harbaugh called his final timeout after Vikings running back Toby Gerhart was stopped on a third down. Harbaugh then challenged the play, and the referee ruled in his favor, saying that Gerhart had fumbled. But the ref said after the game that he shouldn’t have let Harbaugh challenge, because Harbaugh had already used up his final timeout.
On the Vikings’ next possession, Harbaugh again called a timeout and then challenged a Garhart fumble, and the ref again allowed the challenge. The ref said after the game that he shouldn’t have allowed Harbaugh to take that challenge, either.
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What will it take for the owners to get over their greed and bring back the regular refs?
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I want the refs back too.....but is it really only the owners greed to question? The refs are asking for larger pension, salaries and benefits than the other NFL employees....and they only work 21+ weeks of the year. I would say its greed on both sides.
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In case anyone missed it. No one even stepped out of bounds and no penalties were called, why would he have thrown the hat to begin with... let alone in the path of the player who was actually thrown the ball to on that play. It was third down and made him miss the touchdown.
Wow. Just... wow.
Everyone thought it would be the concussions that would begin to spell the doom for the league... maybe it's the refs' pensions.
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