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If the league gives in to the refs, what's to stop them from striking again when they decide they want even higher salaries, larger pensions, or more benefits?
Especially NOW. (I assume that was your point  )
Funny that you didn't know it since you actually quoted and commented to it in one of your own posts in this thread.
Do you know what the definition of "assume" is?
And also "sarcasm"?
Yeah, it basicly means you weren't telling the truth since you knew about it, quoted it and commented to it before you made up that dishonest reply.
When I hear you say "assume", it means dishonsty.
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Do you know for a fact that the Non-Replacement Refs WOULD NOT have called that a Simultaneous Catch?
Of course you don't
I'm pretty darn certain of it. It was quite obvious. The defender pulled the ball into his body giving him posession.
The rule is clear on this and they blew an obvious call. So you just stick to your rationalizing. It's really all you have left at this juncture if you even bother to watch very much NFL the incompetancy of these refs is obvious.
You you just keep reaching and making excuses.
The defender was in the air, therefore did not have possession yet.
Golden Tate, by rule of the official, also got possession before Jennings came to the ground.
I don't understand why that is so hard to understand.
And AGAIN, I'm not saying they are doing a great job.
But now you're the one rationalizing that the Non-Replacement Refs would have made every right call because they are so great.
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Just PM him a cookie and be done with it.
I wouldn't want to assume he likes cookies...
That would be dishonest...
Apparently?
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Roger doesn't need a letter. This has gotten to the point that people are going to let their wallets start talking.
That's the only real language he understands anyway.
Are you so naive you didn't know that?
Damn, you really got me there.
I actually did but I'm not so sure you can comprehend it.
This is all about money. Obviously player safety and the outcome of NFL games has a price placed upon it.
They are willing to give you an extremly inferior product for the same exact price. If you're willing to pay for that, that's your problem, not mine.
And since you're so happily willing to endorse that, I have a 2003 Escalade I'll sell to you for the exact same price as new one!
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Just PM him a cookie and be done with it.
To the Bobsie Twins.
No, I don't like cookies and unlike some, I want to get what I pay for, not some cheap knock off like you guys settle for.
But hey. it's your quarter.
And if, I say if the Browns get shafted by these refs and it costs them a game, I hope you pay for the ticket to watch it. Along with 20 bucks for parking and plenty of $8.00 beers. Considering your stance on this issue, you would deserve no less.
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I park at Key Bank, $5 And I don't drink.  Nice of you though.
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This is all about money.
You're right. The refs want more of it, but they haven't earned more of it. Hilarious that nobody seems to want to find the refs to be the least bit complicit in all of this. They're the ones who want pay raises (though they've apparently turned down a fairly substantial one). They're the ones who don't want to work full time but still collect pensions and benefits. And they're the ones who are mediocre at performing their jobs.
You still haven't told me what the league should do after they give in to the refs' demands, and the refs decide they want more and go on strike. Because if I'm the guy running that union, I'm looking at this situation and salivating. The NFL gives in now, and the refs have them by the short-and-curlies for life. Want more? Threaten to strike. Gonna bring in replacement refs? Just remember how well that worked out last time.
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The defender was in the air, therefore did not have possession yet.
Golden Tate, by rule of the official, also got possession before Jennings came to the ground.
I don't understand why that is so hard to understand.
And AGAIN, I'm not saying they are doing a great job.
NOBODY has posession until they hit the ground. Nobody. For a TD to be made, you have to land with posession or it's an incomplete pass. Not to mention Tate interfering with yet another defender pushing him to the ground just before the pass arrived.
So there was a non-call on Tate for a blatent pass interferance along with the wrong call on the catch. All in less than one second.
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But now you're the one rationalizing that the Non-Replacement Refs would have made every right call because they are so great.
No..... It was such an obvious call even I would have gotten it right. So I'm saying that it would be absurd for you to try to conclude that a real NFL official would not get this call right most all of the time compared to some high school or division 3 ref.
To even suggest such absurdity. So would it be possible for "two real NFL refs collectively" to make a call on such a play at the same time and come out with the wrong call?
I'd say that's very highly doubtful. Because they know the rules like the back of their hand, are used to the speed of the game and understand whoever pulls the ball into their body with both hands is the player who has posession. Tate NEVER did that.
It's really not rocket science we're talking here. Well, at least for those who watch the game a lot and know the rules that is.....
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NOBODY has posession until they hit the ground.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Considering your stance on this issue, you would deserve no less.
Yes, my stance is that giving in to the demands in a negotiation as a reaction to what the scab refs are doing would be a very poor idea for the NFL, and furthermore, that the refs' union is asking to have their cake and eat it too, in compensation for a performance that, in my opinion, could kindly be described as "lacking".
Apparently wanting the NFL to not be held hostage is a bad thing.
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Roger doesn't need a letter. This has gotten to the point that people are going to let their wallets start talking.
I don't know about that. The Browns would have bankrupted long ago if revenue were directly proportional to performance. You'd better send that letter.
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You're right. The refs want more of it, but they haven't earned more of it. Hilarious that nobody seems to want to find the refs to be the least bit complicit in all of this. They're the ones who want pay raises (though they've apparently turned down a fairly substantial one). They're the ones who don't want to work full time but still collect pensions and benefits. And they're the ones who are mediocre at performing their jobs.
They're the ones the NFL have paid this way all along. It's the NFL who gave them the pensions. It's the NFL who gave them pensions quite some time ago when they were part time.
The raises were turned down because the NFL wants to strip them of the pensions that they already have. You make it sound like the refs want something "new"? That's not the case here at all.
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You still haven't told me what the league should do after they give in to the refs' demands, and the refs decide they want more and go on strike.
The refs didn't strike and have never went on strike during a binding contract. Wild speculation that they will do something they've never done before deserves no repsonse. They have always honored their contracts and there is zero evidence to suggest they wouldn't this time.
What has the ref or its union EVER done during a binding contract that would even cause you to suggest this?
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Because if I'm the guy running that union, I'm looking at this situation and salivating. The NFL gives in now, and the refs have them by the short-and-curlies for life. Want more? Threaten to strike. Gonna bring in replacement refs? Just remember how well that worked out last time.
And if I were a ref, that's why you would never run my union.
The refs want a small raise and a raise in what the NFL adds to their pension funds each year over the course of the contract. It's pretty much that simple. They're not asking for some "new benifits" as you would like to suggest. Thay have always been part time employees and had a pension under those same terms.
It's the NFL that wants to "change everything". Once again, why don't you actually read up on the facts of what is going on here rather than babble on about things that simply aren't so?
The NFL got a HUGE raise in TV revenue. As such, the players got a raise and now the refs want it to trickle down to them as well. Their concern is more about "continuing" their pension and at least some portion of increased profits to be shown towards them as well.
It has for everyone else, so why not give the refs a bone too? And BTW- If you would be "salivating" as you said, who created that situation by locking out the refs in the first place?
The refs didn't strike, they were locked out. Just because the NFL has screwed the pooch on this one, don't turn around and blame the refs and their union for it.
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And on top of that, I would bet the stadium is packed for TNF AND ratings are a season high. EVERYONE will be tuning in to see more.
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I don't know about that. The Browns would have bankrupted long ago if revenue were directly proportional to performance. You'd better send that letter.
Nah, they all got into a little circle jerk and decided to be socialists and "share the wealth" amongst themselves. A nice little socialist monopoly! It's the American way!
That way they could all become equally rich. You know how the rich hate to be greedy amongst themselves. That only applies to employees!
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And on top of that, I would bet the stadium is packed for TNF AND ratings are a season high. EVERYONE will be tuning in to see more.
"There's no such thing as bad press."
Are you kidding? Do you really think the national fan base is that interested in watching the Browns and Ravens?
On a national level, this game will be considered about as competative as Roger Clemens pitching to a little league team!
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Yes, my stance is that giving in to the demands in a negotiation as a reaction to what the scab refs are doing would be a very poor idea for the NFL, and furthermore, that the refs' union is asking to have their cake and eat it too, in compensation for a performance that, in my opinion, could kindly be described as "lacking".
Apparently wanting the NFL to not be held hostage is a bad thing.
So you think the refs asking for increases in salary and pension funding which they already have, is "demands"?
The demand to change everything is coming from the NFL. You need to actually start looking at the facts here rather than rambling on.
Sounds like you could use the sleep. Good night.....
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The negative media/fan/player buzz will carry the ratings no matter which two teams are playing Thursday night. Bank it. 
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The negative media/fan/player buzz will carry the ratings no matter which two teams are playing Thursday night.
Bank it.
You could PM me and we could make a wager.
But before you do that!
Just remember, many homes don't even get the NFL Network. It's hard to get the very best ratings on a network much of the viewing public doesn't even recieve.
Just sayin'
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*Highest TNF ratings.
I meant to imply that.
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Just clicking but, it's my opinion that the Packers got jobbed on that one.
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Just remember, many homes don't even get the NFL Network. It's hard to get the very best ratings on a network much of the viewing public doesn't even recieve.
Just sayin'
I dunno, by the flick of a pen last weekend the NFLN added 12 million viewers due to their deal with Time Warner Cable over night (me included), with many more expected to add the service in the future. Most of the country DOES get it now.
Combine that with the ref controversy and I think it's the highest rated Thursday night game in history almost by default, regardless of who is playing.
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Oh, this is just more much to do about nothing -in my opinion.
Its amaizing how fast we all forget how often our team gets hosed by the refs and there non-calls, call reversals and what ever. It is just more in the press now. The replacement refs are in a no win situation- if it is a tight call, they are going to be wrong either way in 50% of the players/fans views.
It was funny, i didn't see the game- watched Hawaii 5-0 and went to bed. I tell you what- i had a hard time finding the video of the final game until i went to nfl.com to see it. ESPN had a 5 minute clip of the talking heads saying how bad this is for the game. I don't remember a 5 minute clip when the browns got ripped by the real refs in years past.
Belliache complaining and touching the ref- big fine coming there. But deep down- don't you just believe that of all coaches, he would be telling his corners to hold and snag and stretch the rules until they are called. And then they are called, and he's all pissed about it.... I think he got his hand cought in the cookie jar, his plan back fired.
This offensive pass intereference thing on the last play of the pack game, didn't look like anything differerent from all other jump balls that i have seen. The WR and defensive back both had the ball- the defender came out with it on the ground. If i'm a pack fan its an INT, if i'm a hawk fan its a TD. Same scenario if i actually had money on this game. And in the end it's a no win for the NFL and the replacement refs- because they would be wrong either way.
I hope the regular refs settle this thing soon, then we all can put the conversation of the refs influencing the game behind us ...... oh, wait- that will not happen. Well, at least espn can find something else to talk about, perhaps who is on the coaching hot seat.........
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The negative media/fan/player buzz will carry the ratings no matter which two teams are playing Thursday night.
Bank it.
Hell, the announcers are probably happier then pigs in crap. They'll have something to talk about when we're down by 20 in the first quarter.
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Combine that with the ref controversy and I think it's the highest rated Thursday night game in history almost by default, regardless of who is playing.
... at least for the first quarter. After that, it isn't likely to matter what the refs do. 
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Hah. Now THAT'S true too.
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A couple of points here......
Unless you are legally blind you cannot watch or rewatch that play and come to any conclusion other than that the Refs blew it. It was not simultaneous possession. The GB player had it from start to finish. Giving it to Seattle is like walking up to a woman holding a baby, putting your hand on the baby and having the Ref give you possession of the child. Ridiculous.
Golden Tate committed blatant pass interference just before the ball got there that even a High School Ref should (and would) have called.
Would the regular Refs have gotten the call right? I certainly think so. At the very least these guys should have had a conference about it.
For all you Union haters out there the Refs aren't looking for a big raise. They just want what they had last year. No raises, just the status quo. The NFL wants to add more crews but no more money to the pool. The money pool is split by all the Refs so if you add Refs but don't increase the pool it is essentially a pay cut. If any of you would agree to a pay cut from a company that makes roughly $10 billion a year while no one else is even taking a pay freeze much less a cut then you are either a liar or an idiot.
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After a few seconds, one official indicated a stoppage of play, but another signaled touchdown for a conclusion former NFL coach Jon Gruden, working the game on TV, called "tragic" and "comical." "Very hard to swallow," Packers coach Mike McCarthy said. "I have never seen anything like that in my time in football." Gruden and McCarthy weren't the only pair stunned by the news as figures from across the sports world sounded off with the instant ability of Twitter. Here's a sampling below, with the Twitter accounts linked if you'd like to peruse a timeline or two: • T.J. Lang, Packers OL: Got (screwed) by the refs.. Embarrassing. Thanks nfl ... F--- it NFL.. Fine me and use the money to pay the regular refs. • Tom Crabtree, Packers TE: 13th man beat us tonight. • Josh Sitton, Packers OL: This is getting ridiculous! The NFL needs to get the refs back bfr we strike and they make no money! ... Golden tate is full of s--- too. Saying he clearly caught that is embarrassing! • Drew Brees, Saints QB: I love this league and love the game of football, but tonight’s debacle hurts me greatly. This is NOT the league we’re supposed to represent • Reggie Bush, Dolphins RB: These refs gotta go I'm sorry. ... Refs single handedly blew this one... • Robert Griffin III, Redskins QB: Speechless after that... • Arian Foster, Texans RB: Drama. Great for business. Godspeed, Ed Hochuli. • DeAngelo Williams, Panthers RB: Well we knew this was bound to happen but on Monday night football? Come on the replacement zebras aren't fit for this zoo! Lol • David Nelson, Bills WR: So much to say.. So little room in the pocketbook. #Goodnight • Darnell Dockett, Cardinals DL: This is what the NFL has come down to, &yet they tell you to respect the shield! Lol. But they'll try to fine us for everything thing we do. • Aaron Curry, Raiders LB: Greed did that y'all! Straight up • Steve Mariucci, NFL Network analyst, former NFL head coach: Is there one person on earth that thinks Golden Tate really caught that pass??? Anybody at all?? • Deion Sanders, NFL Hall of Famer: I feel sorry for these Refs i really do. They're doing the best they cant but that aint good enough please bring back the real thing. #Truth • Troy Aikman, NFL Hall of Famer and SN contributor: These games are a joke. • Chris Harris, current NFL free agent: This has got to stop......The integrity of the game has gone out the window!!!! #ReplacementRefs ... For the NFL to tell u as the fans there is nothing wrong with these officials is a slap in the face to u!!!! • LeBron James, NBA: These replacement refs gotta go man!! Packers just got game took from them. I LOVE NFL football to much to see this type of work. I simply just LOVE the NFL to much to see these mistakes. I'm sick like I just played for the Packers • Evan Longoria, MLB: That is unreal. I'm actually mad and I don't even have a dog in the fight. I'm sick • Mike Napoli, MLB: That's the worst thing I've ever seen • Bubba Watson, Golfer: All @nfl fans watch the Ryder Cup this week, we got no refs. #USA Contributors: Brad Norman, The Associated Press http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/20...ontroversy-refs
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Believe it or not, the "scabs" blowing this call and costing the Packers a victory IS A GOOD THING.
Now Roger is going to get an ear full from the owners and some will insist that Roger puts his ego aside and gets a deal done with the "real" officials.
Those of you pretending the officiating isn't that bad...it says a lot about your knowledge of the game.
It's not just the bad calls...it's the call the officials are not making. Chris Carter pointed out this morning that there is blatant defensive holding as well as big time holding in the offensive line.
According to Carter, the players know how bad these officials are and they are taking advantage of their lack of understanding of the rules. The players know the rules better than the RRs.
Folks need to keep in mind, these RRs are not even the cream of the crop in major college ball. These are refs who were willing to undermine the negotiations by crossing the picket line in hopes of making a quick buck or perhaps getting a future job officiating in the NFL. Roger and the boys went out got themselves some real high character replacements...
Screwing the Packers out of a win will do more to help to push the negotiations along than anything else I can think of. A deal will get done...
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They are pathetic at times. The Cheesehead TD interception was a screwing IMO. Question (because I am waiting to see it!): Is it possible to have a double challenge? Like one red flag reverses a call, but then other team red flags something, say in the explanation or is just wrong? Can't be saving enough cash to make this worth it. Ruin the GAme after a season. Maybe all the active refs should resign and the we could use like AD's, junior high, and other refs. I THINK: We need to have some hollywood types to make Replacements 2; it is already a comedy every game it seems, only this would be like strike ball quality ref adventures. Send me money if it happens! 
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Huh???? If the owners wanted the deal done it would be. Roger works for the owners not the other way around.
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Yeah, the real refs never impacted a game with blown calls. How about the most important game of all? NFL referee admits he made mistakes in Superbowl. Updated: August 7, 2010, 5:20 PM ET RENTON, Wash. -- NFL referee Bill Leavy acknowledged he made mistakes in the Seattle Seahawks' 2006 Super Bowl loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. The veteran official began an annual training-camp rules interpretation session with the Seattle media after practice on Friday by bringing up the subject without being asked. NFC West blog ESPN.com's Mike Sando writes about all things NFC West in his division blog. • Blog network: NFL Nation "It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game, and as an official you never want to do that," said the veteran of 15 NFL seasons and two Super Bowls. "It left me with a lot of sleepless nights, and I think about it constantly," Leavy said of the February 2006 game. "I'll go to my grave wishing that I'd been better." Several calls went against the Seahawks in their 21-10 loss to the Steelers. It was Seattle's only Super Bowl appearance. This week is the first time since that game Leavy has been in Seattle with the Seahawks. He and a mini-crew arrived Thursday to help with the team's practices and give it a rules presentation. Leavy didn't specify which plays he "kicked" that day in Detroit. "Bill's personal comments speak for themselves and we see no reason to add to them," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Saturday. Early in the fourth quarter, tackle Sean Locklear was called for holding on a pass completion that would have put the Seahawks at the Pittsburgh 1, in position for the go-ahead touchdown. After the penalty, Matt Hasselbeck threw an interception, and then was called for a low block on a play that ended with him tackling Pittsburgh's Ike Taylor on the defensive back's return. The penalty moved the Steelers from their 29 to the 44. Pittsburgh used its better field position to score the clinching touchdown four plays later. The next day, then-Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren told fans at a civic gathering at Qwest Field: "I knew it was going to be tough going up against the Pittsburgh Steelers. I didn't know we were going to have to play the guys in the striped shirts, as well." Holmgren, now a top executive with the Cleveland Browns, has since said he's gotten over that game. But Leavy hasn't. "I know that I did my best at that time, but it wasn't good enough," said the retired police officer and firefighter in San Jose, Calif., who became an NFL referee in 2001. "When we make mistakes, you got to step up and own them. It's something that all officials have to deal with, but unfortunately when you have to deal with it in the Super Bowl it's difficult." Hasselbeck said he and Leavy had a chance to talk last season and address the game. "I think all of the officials we have in the NFL are stand-up guys and Leavy is no different," Hasselbeck said Saturday. Bobby Engram, who spent eight seasons with the Seahawks and now is with the Browns, said the team wasn't playing its best that day anyway, on top of the momentum-changing calls. "But I feel bad for the guy," Engram said. "These refs try hard and I respect what they do. It's not an easy job. It's a fast-paced game and a lot of big, strong guys are flying around. It's just unfortunate that he had a bad game in the Super Bowl." When high-profile referee Ed Hochuli visited the Seahawks' training camp in the months after that Super Bowl, he and his crew took good-natured ribbing from players. "The Super Bowl was one of those games where it seemed the big calls went against Seattle," Hochuli said in August 2006. "And that was just fortuitous -- bad fortuitous for Seattle. "The league felt, actually, that the Super Bowl was well officiated. Now, that doesn't mean there were no mistakes. There are always mistakes, but it was a well-officiated game."
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OK ..... I can see both ways on this.
The Hawks should absolutely have been called for OPI. Absolutely. The receiver shoved the DB to the ground in order to get to the ball.
As far as possession, as I understand the rule, it doesn't give "percentages of possession". If 2 players have simultaneous possession, then the ball goes to the offense. Possession is not established until the player either makes a football move, or is down by contact. The announcer talks about having "more of the ball", but that does not matter. The only thing that matter is possession. Does having 2 hands on the ball constitute possession?
The play was upheld by replay, and the replay officials are NOT replacement officials.
I dunno. We've been screwed in the past. We had a similar play in the Eagles game where Vick fumbled the ball, and recovered (according to the officials) by Vick. A Browns defender came out of the pile with the ball, and it appeared that he could have had some degree of possession of the fumble, but the tie goes to the offensive player. Period.
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This is probably the best angle to watch Ive seen. The Catch? Jennings comes down on top of Tate with tate getting his hands on the ball. Then Jennings trys to roll away. At the point they both hit the ground they both had poss of the ball. While I agree should have been a push off for sure the question of who had poss isnt totally clear from watching that. At the point Jennings lands on tate they both have the ball, Tate is on the ground and could be considered down by contact at that point. Which is a TD. Watch that video a few times it loops. Tell me what you think?
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The way I see that.. Jennings has both hands on the ball and pulls the ball to his chest. Tate initially has his left on the ball, the right on Jennings right arm, then moves that hand to the side of Jennings helmet (almost to the point of facemask)and after that the view is obstructed and he is to have moved the right hand to the ball. At that point they are then on the ground.
IMO.. Jennings has posssession not Tate.
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The NFL Competition Committee has reviewed the play and they say that the officials got the call right.
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No, no.
They say they support NOT OVER-TURNING IT.
Because it's not review-able!
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The way I see that.. Jennings has both hands on the ball and pulls the ball to his chest. Tate initially has his left on the ball, the right on Jennings right arm, then moves that hand to the side of Jennings helmet (almost to the point of facemask)and after that the view is obstructed and he is to have moved the right hand to the ball. At that point they are then on the ground.
IMO.. Jennings has posssession not Tate.
That really is the question because Jennings needs to be down with the ball but instead he lands on Tate. Tate if he has sim poss at that point would be considered down (hes on the ground) thus it would be a TD.
I can see everyones point, its easy to sit here now and watch it a thousand times in super slow mo those guys watched it live in real speed and had to make a call.
The call may have been wrong, it may have been right, but there is sim Poss and that is what needs to be considered.
The blown non-PI call is un-excuable though.
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