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The really sad thing here is that was a heck of a game-for both teams. A very high level of play. Nobody will remember that though...
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
a very good point.
what matters is when they hit the ground not what happens when they are in the air. I dont know why people cant seperate the 2.
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
a very good point.
what matters is when they hit the ground not what happens when they are in the air. I dont know why people cant seperate the 2.
Its not simultaneous if someone has it first.
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
a very good point.
what matters is when they hit the ground not what happens when they are in the air. I dont know why people cant seperate the 2.
Its not simultaneous if someone has it first.
Ok once again its about what happens when they hit the ground not about what happens in the air. If the reciever has it in the air both hands on the ball and then gets hit and loses the ball while hitting the ground is it a completion? NO
In this case the reciever hit the ground with both hands on the ball and does not lose control "while hitting the ground" of the ball while having "possession of" the ball with a defender hitting him making him "down by contact".
If you cant see that those are all that are required of him Im not sure what you think a catch should be esp in the endzone.
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So, the guy that catches the guy that caught the ball is rewarded possession? I get it now. 
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So, the guy that catches the guy that caught the ball is rewarded possession? I get it now.
thats cool ignore the video evidence that says otherwise. Ignore the rules and it was an int for sure. Dumb refs.
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I'm back, it's a day later, and I'm still mad. And Nick you are still wrong.
No way that wasn't a catch by jenning. Beyond that the push off was unreal. I wish I could see a tape of the ref as I have a feeling he was watching the ball in the air, and not the players. Dumb mistake that a real ref wouldn't make. And before anyone says it......that would have been called. Sure they let some amount of pushing/shoving/body positioning for Hail Marys. They do not allow a reciever to simply launch the dude in front of him.
Then for all the sematics Nick wants to blow smoke with......it ignores how bad the rest of the game was called as well. I mean there was a phantom PI called just plays before that changed the outcome of the game well before this rediculous play.
Then on player safety......the QB from the Texans gets a late hit, take his helmet AND PART OF HIS EAR off, and no flag. I saw more illegal blocks last weekend than I could shake a stick at. I saw D and O lineman diving for knees, and taking out players below the waist while they were engaged with another blocker. I saw complete chaos.
The NFL owners look horrible. All they had to do was negotiate in good faith. They don't seem to understand what that means. From the player getting LOCKED out to the refs getting LOCKED OUT. They are clueless, and could manage to somehow ruin the best game ever.
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I said no way am i going to argue there wasnt a PI call. None.
Jennings is a defender so he hasnt made a catch he needs to come away clean with ball which he didnt. You call it semantics I call it rules.
If fact I will say that had Jennings been the reciever it would have been a TD because he needed to come away with the ball. He had not touched the ground.
Tate was on the ground. I know most wont understand that but I do.
Jennings had not hit the ground he was on tate thus he needed control of the ball once he did hit the ground which he did. Tate however was on the ground and had possession of the ball when Jennings landed on him.
Jennings should have just smacked the ball outta play.
As for the rest of the game I cant speak to it because as I said early I didnt watch it just that play over 1k times and posted a video of when tate and jennings hit the ground. No adding into it just stated rules and posted video that backed them up.
If Green Bay had not let seattle hang around we wouldnt even be having this conversation.
Finally if you can show me video that shows that I am wrong I will admit it but the rules stat what I have said and backed up along with the NFL which no one cares but I dont think Im talking out my arse on this. Just speaking on what I saw after seeing a huge blow up about a game and started to form my own opinion on what I saw much as all of us have.
I think they got it right.
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So let's recap. All a receiver has to do then....is touch the ball with the tippy tips of his fingers....at the very last moment....right before he hits the ground, while bear hugging a defender....and THAT'S "possession" in your book (or joint possession in this case). Okay. Got it. From now on we teach our WR to hell with trying to catch the ball....just wait for a defender to catch it while standing real close to him and play the "quick hands" drill so you're TOUCHING the ball when he hits the ground. We'll never get another incomplete pass ever. 
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I will ask you what Ive asked everyone did you watch the video I posted?
If you did can you with say that Tate didnt have both hands on the ball when he hit the ground?
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Frankly, I'm a bit concerned about the language the NFL used in it's statement today. To me it sounds like Goodell and the commish office is digging in their heels..
If I were running that.. or in charge of PR, the statement would have been more along the lines of:
"Yes, there were mistakes made, we are looking forward to having meaningful and substantiative discussions with the NFLRA in the near to immediate future."
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Yep I watched your video. No way in HADES did Tate have 2 hands on the ball when they came down.
They jump. He has ONE HAND on the ball. As they start to come down, he puts the finger tips of his second hand on the ball...then his arm and hand come off the ball completely. The next thing he does is reach up and GRABS JENNINGS (not the ball) as they hit the ground. He grabs him up by the shoulder pads in an attempt to tackle or pull him down, ya know because Jennings actually intercepted the ball.
AFTER they sit there on the ground, as he's bear hugging Jennings, he reaches around and touches the ball with both hands.
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Nick you are talking about a lighter, when the forest is on fire.
I don't happen to agree with how you are interpretting that rule. I understand where you are coming from, but I simply don't agree. I could almost care less about that play really. It's one play in hundreds of thousands that is being totally screwed up. And while you said you are not trying to defend the non-call on the PI but then want to argue if the result is a catch? I mean what? It shouldn't have even been important who came down with the ball. However given Jennings did catch that ball imo they likely wouldn't have taken the penalty.
Bigger picture is how bad ALL the games are, how bad ALL the plays are.
I mean even in our game...........that was not a fumble by fitz. The ball went forward. period. However we got the ball as the refs got it wrong. (hey once again that's just my opinion).
This product sucks. The owners need to wake up, and make a reasonable deal with the real refs. They should realize that since they played this so badly that the refs will likely not have to negotiate anything away as they don't need to.
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Agree with that AK.
The non-call on Greg Jennings getting cold clocked 20+ yards down field by the Seahawks safety. The magic OPI turned DPI. It's not one bad call here or there....it's multiple calls that are having huge impacts on the game, and it's virtually every game at this point.
The Seahawks shouldn't have even had the opportunity to throw that hail mary had the refs not botched calls leading up to the mother of botched calls.
I feel bad for the refs. I really do. They are trying their best and shouldn't have to put up with this scrutiny....but it's the bed the league has made.
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Yep I watched your video. No way in HADES did Tate have 2 hands on the ball when they came down.
They jump. He has ONE HAND on the ball. As they start to come down, he puts the finger tips of his second hand on the ball...then his arm and hand come off the ball completely. The next thing he does is reach up and GRABS JENNINGS (not the ball) as they hit the ground. He grabs him up by the shoulder pads in an attempt to tackle or pull him down, ya know because Jennings actually intercepted the ball.
AFTER they sit there on the ground, as he's bear hugging Jennings, he reaches around and touches the ball with both hands.
no problem then we dont see the same thing. In the video I posted they dont show them after they have hit the ground and hugging so not sure what that was about.
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See I thought it was a fumble no one touched him and ball came out before his arm was going forward, Does that make it any less a fumble? I dont think these guys are donig anywhere near as bad a job as you want to believe or the talking heads are leading you to believe.
Watch what you see with your own 2 eyes and ignore the media then you will be where I am at because I dont watch nor listen to them so my mind is clear.
I am free to form my own thoughts on what I see and think and then share them with all of you.
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I never said you didn't see what you think you saw with your own two eyes. I just don't agree with you. Why imply that I don't watch the game and form my own opinions? The only thing I do when football is on is watch football. Then add in about 30 hours a week in additional shows/etc. As for the Browns game.......you really think that was a fumble? I don't so once again I guess we disagree. Then there are just the thousands of blown calls on every play around the league. If you think it's all the same, and that I'm just getting hysterical...........well then I don't think you watch as closely as you think you do. I see it getting more out of hand each week. It's not what they are calling so much as what they are NOT. Keep believing what you want though.....this is just an internet forum........I can't really change your mind most likely. I'm going to keep complaining about the disaster though. Maybe the NFS (S for sucks) will do some data mining on the words "NFL" "sucks" "horrible" "refs" and somehow wakes up.
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I have never seen a simultaneous reception called with only player (e.g. the Green Bay Player) holding the ball against his chest. Tate was off to the side. The circumstances where I have seen simultaneous receptions called, both players are holding the ball against their chests.
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I never said you didn't see what you think you saw with your own two eyes.
I just don't agree with you. Why imply that I don't watch the game and form my own opinions? The only thing I do when football is on is watch football. Then add in about 30 hours a week in additional shows/etc.
As for the Browns game.......you really think that was a fumble? I don't so once again I guess we disagree. Then there are just the thousands of blown calls on every play around the league. If you think it's all the same, and that I'm just getting hysterical...........well then I don't think you watch as closely as you think you do. I see it getting more out of hand each week. It's not what they are calling so much as what they are NOT.
Keep believing what you want though.....this is just an internet forum........I can't really change your mind most likely. I'm going to keep complaining about the disaster though. Maybe the NFS (S for sucks) will do some data mining on the words "NFL" "sucks" "horrible" "refs" and somehow wakes up.
See its the 30 hours of shows that tell you what to think that are tainting your view of what you think, You think what they tell you. (another brick in the wall) you dont form an actual opinion based on your own knowlege of the rules of the game and hence you believe what they tell the rules should be, which are incorrect. then when they say whoops we mucked but you can say well they told me wrong. See I dont do that, I speak from what I knowe and when Im wrong will say Ok "I " was wrong.
If you dont see Fitz losing the ball going forward then the replacement refs calling Incomplete and the replay refs calling it after the challenge a fumble which I posted on the game day thread was a good challenge (slong with many others) was the correct call. Then start to study the rules. Your not even as good as the replacement refs at calling bad calls.
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I hate beating a dead horse but what happens in the air doesnt matter I dont care if he holding it in his wifes crotch its when when the come down with the ball. why cannot anyone read the rules and understand that one simple part.
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Nobody is talking about what I saw.
At the beginning of the interception Jennings had the ball in both hands against his chest and Tate had one hand dangling in the wind. Jennings had the ball first !
Forget who had it last Jennings had it first. It wasnt simultaneous .
a very good point.
what matters is when they hit the ground not what happens when they are in the air. I dont know why people cant seperate the 2.
Its not simultaneous if someone has it first.
There is if they actually come down with it together. In this case it wasn't because they didn't, even though the announcer is screaming it was a simultaneous catch at full speed.
The fumble by Fritz was the right call, unfortunately it was blown dead before Parker had a chance to run it back. The ball was not in the hand as the arm went forward. That call was made by a regular ref, not a replacement.
The amount of penalties called are just about the same as years past. The difference is more PI calls.
I forget the stat but the percentage of reversals on calls have gone up.
If the owners want to keep this lock out up they can work out rule changes to help the integrity of the game. let video refs review and change more things that cannot be done now. Use them as the head ref. The only other remedies are to find a way to settle with the normal refs, keep things going on or put the season on hold. I'm in favor of getting a contract done. If that doesn't happen they should just put the season on hold because this has been a joke.
Player safety argument is a joke. The game is not more dangerous because of refs. If they miss a personal foul call the players are still going to be keld accountable by the league, including suspensions. The lack of professionalism shown to the refs are the the fault of the coaches and owners. These guys are powerless and it's the organizations job to keep players and coaches in line considering they are the ones locking the refs out.
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Nick is correct. I dont really want to enter the doom and gloom post though.
If you watch the video clip the call makes sense and is fine. The non PI call is the problem with this play.
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Nick I can't speak for Pit, but you will never convince me that ... that was a catch and Tate ever had possession of that pass.
Heck not even the Seahawks are willing to dispute that it was a catch, because they know that they where given a gift.
10 million fans agree. 
It's not even debateable anymore at this juncture.
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Lingerie Football League: We Fired Some Current NFL Replacement Refs
If you haven’t heard about the Monday Night Meltdown in the NFL yet, you probably need to get out more. To sumarize: A last-second play was called a touchdown by one referee, and an interception by another referee, causing a half-billion dollars in betting funds to switch hands and an outcry to have the league’s regular officiating crew come back from its well-documented lockout.
But like every big story that has ever happened in the world of sports, the initial cause of disturbance was just the tip of the iceberg. It has come to light that some of the NFL’s replacement referees used to work in the Lingerie Football League, but were let go from the underwear-laden league because of their poor performance. Mitch Mortaza, president and founder of the Lingerie Football League, sent an email to several outlets at 12:49 this morning.
Mortaza’s statement was also posted to the LFL’s official Facebook page:
"Because of the LFL’s perception it is that much more critical for us to hire officiating crews that are competent, not only for the credibility of our game but to keep our athletes safer. Due to several on-field incompetent officiating we chose to part ways with with a couple crews which apparently are now officiating in the NFL. We have a lot of respect for our officials but we felt the officiating was not in line with our expectations.
We have not made public comment to date because we felt it was not our place to do so. However in light of tonight’s event, we felt it was only fair that NFL fans knew the truth as to who are officiating these games”
The statement does not make it clear whether anyone officiating the Packers/Seahawks game Monday night were ever referees for the LFL. Whether the LFL’s statement is accurate or simply a plug for the LFL and a stab at the NFL’s current referee situation, a point has been made.
Though the Lingerie Bowl was first shown on Pay Per View in 2004, the LFL was created in 2009 as a 7-on-7 all-women football league in which the players dress in — you guessed it — lingerie, shoulder and knee pads and helmets. The full-contact sport is televised on international television and on MTV2 in the United States. The league comes to an apex on Super Bowl Sunday, with the Lingerie Bowl being shown on TV a few hours before the NFL’s Super Bowl. It’s often classed as “the other Super Bowl,” along with the Animal Planet’s ever-so-cute Puppy Bowl.
So when the LFL is placed into the same category as the Puppy Bowl, it’s easy to see how football fans would be upset to know that some of their beloved NFL games are being officiated by crews who were let go from the sexier of the two former groups.
Now let’s just hope there aren’t any former Puppy Bowl refs calling games in the NFL either.
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Tate had one hand one hand "in control" on the ball when they hit the ground. Only a handful of league homers are even trying to debate the issue and it's really very funny at this juncture.
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No on one this one you are wrong. If you want to argue the PI not being called your right. The refs got the call on the field according to the rules correct IMHO. I dont care what the talking heads say they know as much about the rule book as coaches who try to take TO's they dont have and challenge plays they cannot.
The talking head even less.
I don't care what they say either. I have been watching the NFL for over 40 years. I watched the replay over and over from every angle.
The guy who had control, posessed the ball with two hands and pulled the ball into his body in the air, and kept it there through the entire process. That was NOT the WR Tate.
It's really not a subject left to debate at this juncture.......
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I hate beating a dead horse but what happens in the air doesnt matter I dont care if he holding it in his wifes crotch its when when the come down with the ball. why cannot anyone read the rules and understand that one simple part.
Nick...come on man...99.9% of those who watched the video or the game believed the Packer defensive man intercepted the ball.
Clearly, the Packer defender catches the ball and holds it to his chest with arms and hands wrapped around the ball, in the air and until he hits the ground...the Seattle receiver simply extended his arms and put his hands on the ball the Packer defender was holding to his chest.
This story helps stir the pot as to why the review of the call went the way it did...At the end of this story, there is a good video narrative explaining the interception and ruling...here is that link web page
Phil Luckett had a hand in Monday night’s debacle
Posted by Mike Florio on September 25, 2012, 6:32 PM EDT
In nearly 11 years of this website’s existence, no game has created a stronger reaction than Monday night’s debacle in Seattle.
Coincidentally, the only other game that created similar buzz also involved the Seahawks. It was Super Bowl XL, which left the Seahawks feeling chagrined by a string of questionable calls, prompting among other things the creation of officiating jerseys that weren’t black and white, but black and yellow.
But that game didn’t entail an error that directly and clearly determined the outcome. Few NFL games turn on such a bright-line moment. And one of the men involved in last night’s game had a direct hand (literally and figuratively) in a game-changing decision that involved, well, a piece of change.
Phil Luckett, the man who bungled the overtime coin toss in a Thanksgiving 1998 game between the Steelers and Lions, was the league supervisor in the replay booth for the game between the Packers and the Seahawks, according to Peter King of SI.com. The Seahawks likewise know that name, because Luckett was the referee on the crew that incorrectly gave Jets quarterback Vinny Testaverde a game-winning touchdown against the Seahawks, not long after the Steelers-Lions morass.
As we explained several weeks ago, the NFL is using a league supervisor for every regular-season game officiated by replacements. It’s a procedure that the league normally uses during the postseason.
The league supervisor now sits in the replay booth. Which means that Luckett was change-purse deep in the decision to not overturn the ruling on the field of a touchdown.
As NBC officiating consultant Jim Daopoulos explained, both during Pro Football Talk on NBC Sports Network and PFT Live on the web, the league supervisor and the replay official — neither of whom are replacements — are directly involved in the replay decisions. It’s a procedure that doesn’t apply under normal circumstances, with the regular officials on the field and the regular referee going under the hood.
Thus, for three of the most notorious game-deciding errors in recent NFL history, Luckett was involved. That was bad luck for the Steelers in 1998, bad luck for the Seahawks later that year, but good luck for the Seahawks on Monday night.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/09/25/phil-luckett-had-a-hand-in-monday-nights-debacle/
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Theres as good slow mo video on this link of the play starting around 30 seconds in. http://www.nbc-2.com/story/19633738/2012/09/25/sightless-in-seattle-nfl-ref-messJennings gets 2 hands on the ball and pulls it to his chest in the air, when they hit the ground, jennings shoulders comes down in Tates chest, so how could Tate have simulateous possession, the ball was never in Tates chest.
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Nick is right as far as his interpretation of the rule. I still don't see it as a simultaneous catch. NFL supports decision to not overturn Seahawks' touchdown National Football League Published: Sept. 25, 2012 at 12:21 p.m. Updated: Sept. 25, 2012 at 03:33 p.m. Editor's note: The following is a statement issued by the NFL regarding Golden Tate's game-winning touchdown catch at the conclusion of Monday night's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks: In Monday's game between the Green Bay Packers and Seattle Seahawks, Seattle faced a 4th-and-10 from the Green Bay 24 with eight seconds remaining in the game. Seattle quarterback Russell Wilson threw a pass into the end zone. Several players, including Seattle wide receiver Golden Tate and Green Bay safety M.D. Jennings, jumped into the air in an attempt to catch the ball. Seahawks win on debated Hail Mary While the ball is in the air, Tate can be seen shoving Green Bay cornerback Sam Shields to the ground. This should have been a penalty for offensive pass interference, which would have ended the game. It was not called and is not reviewable in instant replay. When the players hit the ground in the end zone, the officials determined that both Tate and Jennings had possession of the ball. Under the rule for simultaneous catch, the ball belongs to Tate, the offensive player. The result of the play was a touchdown. Replay Official Howard Slavin stopped the game for an instant replay review. The aspects of the play that were reviewable included if the ball hit the ground and who had possession of the ball. In the end zone, a ruling of a simultaneous catch is reviewable. That is not the case in the field of play, only in the end zone. Referee Wayne Elliott determined that no indisputable visual evidence existed to overturn the call on the field, and as a result, the on-field ruling of touchdown stood. The NFL Officiating Department reviewed the video today and supports the decision not to overturn the on-field ruling following the instant replay review. The result of the game is final. Applicable rules to the play are as follows: A player (or players) jumping in the air has not legally gained possession of the ball until he satisfies the elements of a catch listed here. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3 of the NFL Rule Book defines a catch: A forward pass is complete (by the offense) or intercepted (by the defense) if a player, who is inbounds: (a) secures control of the ball in his hands or arms prior to the ball touching the ground; and (b) touches the ground inbounds with both feet or with any part of his body other than his hands; and (c) maintains control of the ball long enough, after (a) and (b) have been fulfilled, to enable him to perform any act common to the game (i.e., maintaining control long enough to pitch it, pass it, advance with it, or avoid or ward off an opponent, etc.). When a player (or players) is going to the ground in the attempt to catch a pass, Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 1 states: Player Going to the Ground. If a player goes to the ground in the act of catching a pass (with or without contact by an opponent), he must maintain control of the ball throughout the process of contacting the ground, whether in the field of play or the end zone. If he loses control of the ball, and the ball touches the ground before he regains control, the pass is incomplete. If he regains control prior to the ball touching the ground, the pass is complete. Rule 8, Section 1, Article 3, Item 5 states: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball. nfl.com
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There also has been a lot of talk on whether or not the catch portion of the play was reviewable. In the above article the answer is yes because it was in the end zone.
The decision was controversial, even comical but ultimately the blame goes on the supervisor when it comes to the catch.
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Golden Tate sounds like a lot of you.......... "I don't know what you're talking about!"
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I don't know how to link to it - but in today's USA Today paper, the caricature is kinda funny. Pic. of Charlie Brown kicking a field goal, and of course Lucy pulled the ball away and CB is flying backwards through the air (everyone has seen this on the cartoon, right?)
In the background is an official saying "It's good" and signalling. Someone else says "He's a replacement ref."
Much more humorous to see than read, I know......
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