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Then why did you ask what rights you have that I don't (you used the word they, for clarification).

And...I can agree about some of the things you just said about the politicians. However, I guess my question in all of this is why do people get to vote on what I get to do in my private life with my significant other? (You don't have to answer that, don't want to keep this topic going on the wrong thread...it's just something I'll never understand.)

Josh, lighten up.... I've always answered your questions... sorry I missed one.

Michelle, like DC , I don't care if gay people want to marry. You're right it doesn't affect me either way. Can't Gays marry now? The way I understand it they can have all the rights of married people but can't call it mariage. They have to call it something else, like a civil union or something. I might be way off base on this.

Depends on where you live....in Ohio, no. "The People" voted it down a few years ago with Issue 1.

Then yell at Ohio and other states like it and not at Republicans. Much like Katrina, it's on the city first, then the state. Once they got the right to tax us they took along the power that went with it. Fed has nothing to do with it.

Soup, did you read anything I said? If so, you'll see that I didn't mention Republicans AT ALL. Sheesh. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

It's an automatic defense mechanism.
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Some people get way too touchy. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

It isn't my fault that you don't know your history well enough to debate the point you tried to make. A democrat in the White House won WWII.

Actually the Feds have everything to do with it. Just this past summer a proposed amendment banning gay marriage didn't gain enough support to leave the Senate. I'll give you 3 chances to guess which party led the charge.

I need KNOWLEDGE. I'm like a box.... that ummm, need to be filled with things to be complete.... Yeah.

I think it was. I don't think our laws regarding trials are always 100% effective, but I certainly think going against them is a step away from modernity.



Last time I checked, our military was busy policing a country, not going after Osama bin Laden.



He spends money like a stoner at a bake sale!

How can you ignore that fact and cite the stock market with a straight face? Someday, we're going to have to pay for Bush's spending.



What was right about it? There was no threat there, so no threat was eliminated. And, like many said before the war, it would only end in a civil war that was haven for terrorism...the new Afghanistan.



Frankly, I don't see very many positives at all.

I think going into Iraq gives us an opportunity to eventually put more pressure on Iran. A stable democracy right next door is a blow to Iranian interests in the region. Plus, we are doing a good thing in ridding Iraq of Saddam.

Going into Iraq definitely has its benefits, we just have to stick it out.

Also, I truly believe that though no WMD's were found, military action was the only way to be sure Iraq was in compliance. Could we really afford to sit on our hands while a guy like Saddam, who has used WMD's before may be attempting to develop an arsenal on a larger scale.

We could have left the U.N. inspectors there to do their job instead of running them out of there and bombing the country. Sometimes people forget that Sadaam had let inspectors in and from their reports,were getting very good compliance from Sadaam to access sites they wanted to inspect.

And a stable democracy in Iraq is more of a pipe dream than it could ever be a reality. When the majority of a people in any nation don't want you there,it's going to be very hard to get them to listen to you.

I don't believe in giving up on a dream. If you do--then you've got big issues in your life. Nothing can be accomplished without a will.

At one time going to the moon was a pipe dream. At one time America was a pipe dream.

Also, I don't believe for a minute that UN inspectors were getting their way. Sure there was some compliance, however, ultimately, it took action to get down to the truth. Now we are there--and we have to stay committed to the initial plan to install a democracy. People there do want a stable life--they don't want anarchy--so we are there to bring them a stable government. Unfortunately, right now, there is in-fighting. There is a power struggle--I believe there are some outside sources stoking the fire.

Eventually people will come to a consensus. Its unfortunate that so many are dying--but, we must stay resolute in accomplishing our mission.

Call me whatever, but I truly believe that we can accomplish whatever we commit ourselves too.

That's a grand idea in theory.

But in reality,you can not change the way the rest of the worlds minds work.
You can't impose your will upon the globe.

We can't even control our own borders,much less Iraq. I'm a realist and we see where authoritarianism is getting us. Iraq is now talking with Iran. Sadr is the one in dominant control.

I think you really need to take a "realistic" look at how Iraq is going. It seems no matter how hard we try,things are going backwards,not forward.

We all have our dreams and goals,but sometimes reality has to be taken into consideration.

JMHO

Reality is shaped by the will of men. Always has been, always will be.

You want to hear God laugh?
Tell him your plans. We control nothing but ourselves,everything else is destiny.

Destiny. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolleyes1.gif" alt="" />

Sorry, but I believe in free will.

Don't get to high on the bottle, and get right with the man son <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Don't care what you say, the states can overturn the Fed - the Fed govt wouldn't rcognize the marriage so they'd lose the tax break fed wise, but state-wise they'd get the break. All in all, I could care less about gays and their marriage, it doesn't effect me in the least as I'm straight. I only really care about issues that effect me and ultimately my spending power.

What's funny about this entire thread is the following:

People are mad because gays don't have the same rights as the average straight middle class person.

Thos same people think blacks should get more rights than your average middle class person.

That in itself is hypocrisy and that makes me laugh. A lot of people on here would make great politicians as they talk out of both sides of their mouth.

The even funnier part, those who want to put programs in place to help minorities are the most racist people on the earth. Why? Because by doing so you are flat out stating they aren't strong enough or smart enough to do it themselves. You are flat out stating that they are inferior.

Those of us who say they don't deserve extra special treatment are the ones who believe everyone is equal and if they use their heads they can do whatever they want. Now someone will think they are smart and bring up the fact that I don't care about gay marriage, if it's allowed - that's fine by me - I don't think you should be able to tell 2 people that can't marry - am I going to fight for it? No, it has no benefit to me in any way at all so I don't care about it.

This wasn't just directed towards you, also - I just realized aI meshed this thread and the emancipation proclomation thread together - many of the same people posted on both. My apologies.

OK, now I know where you are coming from. The Democratic party of WW2 and the Democratic party of today are two very different things. Even Dems today will admit that. Back in the day they rushed out to enlist. Dems today look for ways to help the enemy, unless they are in power.