DawgTalkers.net Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum CJ Spiller vs. Trent Richardson

Lets face it, the great running back duels are just incredibly rare now. I think both of these kids have potential hall of fame ability and to get two backs going head to head right as their careers are taking off is special. It is funny there was a lot of CJ Spiller fans in berea and he was very close to being a brown.

Anyway, this got me thinking about running back duels and what was the match up that had you just sitting on the edge of your seat waiting for?

I think they are two great running backs but with very different running styles... I was a big Spiller fan, bubt wasn't sure if he would do well in the AFC North. I really think TR will be a great back in this division.

as much as I hope that this becomes the Barry v. Emmitt debate our this generation (because that means we have a RB worthy of such debate), both RBs need to prove they can be durable in the NFL. no small task in today's NFL.

of the RBs currently in the NFL, the ones that I get most excited to watch are: McFadden and Peterson. Those 2 guys are electric and have the power and speed to take it for a score at anytime (Peterson face-planting Eric Wright was a ridiculous play). MoJo is another great RB in that he can do everything (including blocking) that you want from a RB. -

In today's NFL I really think LeSean McCoy is the most electric. He may not get the same stats as Foster, Rice, McFadden, AP, but that is basically because Andy Reid refuses to run the football. If you watch the Eagles each week McCoy's quickness, change of direction, strength, and catching ability are unmatched. If he were on a running football team, he'd average nearly 150 yards per week

Spiller definitely had my attention this coming week.

It really is about time that he started bringing it, considering that this is his 3rd season, and he had just over 800 yards combined in his 1st 2. He has been absolutely electric this season though. The Browns are going to have to work to slow him down.

no doubt McCoy is good. honestly, he is too smooth for his own good. he makes the runs look so effortless, but he can do things that few others can.

make no mistake... Spiller is the same guy that he was last year.

I watched the Bills/Chiefs on short cuts and Cordy Glenn is a huge reason for his success. Spiller showed some talent last year, but the holes he got on the left side vs. KC were enormous. Glenn has amazing feet in pass pro, neutralizing Hali and Dorsey all day, and when he wasn't knocking people on their backs in the run game, he was pushing them off-screen. Th Bills already had a really good interior OL but with Glenn in there at LT and Hairston moving over to RT, they are much better off. There was a marked difference when the game was out of hand and Gailey sat Glenn down to give the backup OT some reps at RT (Hairston moved back over to LT).

*edit* btw, this thread should probably be moved to the gameday forum when it pops up.

I see one huge difference, it took about a year and a half for Spiller to get his feet under him. While Richardson lit it up his second week in the league.

(Side note, Reggie Bush looks awfully good as well).

I think I was Reggie Bush's only fan his first few years in the league. While he couldn't stay healthy, his TD:game ratio was among the league's best. He just seemed to manage to score when the ball got into his hands (PR, Receiving, and Rushing).

So, I am one of the few that is not wholly surprised by the last 2 years in Miami, but what he's done so far this year has been remarkable.

Bush really gashed the Texans to start of their game in week 1... I was relaly impressed at how he looked. And it wasn't all the dancing that he use to do, it was more just hit the hole and go. I was really impressed... I don't think he can ever live up to the fanfare that he had coming into the draft but he has certainly been a good RB in this league... and currently is the most productive of the top three picks that year. The Texans picked the right man for their team at the time (Williams) but I too have been very impressed with Bush the last two years.

The difference in Bush between now and when he first came into the league is the fact that he now runs like he has a pair. I like the way he is attacking the seam and trying to bust through tackles instead of trying to bounce everything outside and fearing contact.

There are some good backs in the league but the league hasn't had the backs to make you go wow I cant wait to see those two go at it. MoJo and Rice are high quality backs but I see really good but not game changers. Peterson has been the only one for a few years now.

I used to get pumped up for a game featuring the unique back like Walter Payton vs. Eric Dickerson. Emmit vs. Barry Dorsett vs Riggins

A buddy sent me a link to this classic some of you older timers might remember this one

thinking of CJ spiller.. i still wish we didn't give up on James Davis.. but o well..

as far as the game.. I think our defense will get ate up.. we are horrible at defending the run against fast shifty backs.

Fort, DQ and Robertson will do ok. Maiva is the worst I have ever seen at losing contain and well Fujita just cant hold the edge, he is to slow.

Cept against this Buffalo offense we can stuff8 or 9 in the box and be fine.

the reason Buffalo beat KC was that they didnt force Fitzpatrick to beat em. Stuff a bunch of guys in the box and try to suffocate the run game. there is enough tape on CJ to know how to stop him or contain him at least. Keep him from eating up big chunks and force him to be a between the tackles pounder and he wont move the pile, stack him up and bring help. Maintain your gaps and when you hit him, bring help and wrap up.

Put 8 or 9 in the box against Buffalo and you can beat em. Stevie Johnson isnt as dangerous because they dont send him deep. Jones, Graham, and Chandler are mediocre at best (Chandler is a beast in the red zone though). But their offense spreads the defense wide not deep, so we go 8/9 in the box and flood the short zones and you can beat Buffalo (sounds familiar eh?).

If TRich can outperform CJ Spiller we win...and we have to FORCE Spiller into a box. Make Fitzmagic beat us.

Me: "Trent, are you a better running back than C.J. Spiller?"

Trent: "Oh, most definitely"

That is EXACTLY how he would say that. If he was arrogant in anyway at all, which he is not.

Well if that's the case, then the turnover ratio being in your favor is going to be highly important, because if you have the ball, then your guy can get caries.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/54837/richardson

Richardson hammers defenders, criticism

Teams shouldn't spend a top-five pick on a running back in this pass-happy age of football. Two knee surgeries in less than a year reveal that Trent Richardson is damaged goods. Even Jim Brown, the greatest runner in Browns -- and perhaps NFL -- history, took a shot at Richardson, labeling the first-round pick as "ordinary."

Two weeks into the regular season, all of this criticism seems laughable. While it's correct not to make any sweeping conclusions after a couple of games, no one can consider the Browns' drafting of Richardson a mistake at this point. His power, speed and jaw-dropping moves in the open field prove he's the key piece in turning around the NFL's worst offense over the past decade.

Richardson's attitude is the perfect jolt to a Browns franchise that has accepted last place as a way of life since returning to the league in 1999. He runs angry. Knocking off the helmet of would-be tackler Kurt Coleman in the season opener -- it flew five yards after the crushing collision -- is a great example of that. He gets ticked off. Delivering a breakout game following Rey Maualuga's lukewarm assessment of him is another warning that you don't want to challenge him.

Richardson is a violent right hook for the usually punchless Browns, who have ranked 28th or worse in offense nine times in the previous 13 years. Relying on a running back like Peyton Hillis, who missed a game because of strep throat, wasn't going to cut it. Drafting a hard-nosed playmaker like Richardson is Cleveland's best hope to change its culture of losing, even if it has yet to provide immediate results for the winless Browns (0-2).

For entertainment purposes alone, Richardson made a Browns game worth watching Sunday. Richardson totaled 109 yards rushing and 36 yards receiving against the Bengals on Sunday. Those numbers don't illustrate how impressive Richardson looked. On his 32-yard touchdown run, he took a delayed handoff and raced to the end zone without being touched. On what will go down as a 23-yard touchdown reception, Richardson caught a short pass before running through two tackles and spinning out of another to reach the end zone.

"He’s a special player," Browns rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden said. "He’s a difference-maker."

Richardson became first NFL rookie to record 100 yards rushing, a rushing touchdown and a receiving touchdown in the same game since Samkon Gado seven years ago. He also scored two 20-yard-plus touchdowns for a team that had seven of them all of last season.

"I think I was just more comfortable with myself that, ‘Hey, I'm still able to run like I used to' and do it much better," Richardson said of his improvement from Week 1. "In my head, [I was thinking] ‘I've got to run much stronger because these guys are much stronger than the guys in college.' Hopefully I'll come out stronger next week."

Five months ago, everyone christened Andrew Luck as the next great franchise quarterback and applauded the Redskins for moving up to take Robert Griffin III. The Browns received mixed reviews when they jumped one spot up to make sure they landed Richardson.

Teams have gotten burned in the past by taking a running back that high. Before Richardson, there were five running backs selected in the top five over the previous 10 drafts: Cadillac Williams (2005), Cedric Benson (2005), Ronnie Brown (2005), Reggie Bush (2006) and Darren McFadden (2008). Only Brown has reached the Pro Bowl and only McFadden is still with the team that drafted him.



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Frank Victores/US PresswireTrent Richardson celebrates his 23-yard catch-and-run TD in the third quarter against the Bengals.
Richardson's stock didn't rise when a second procedure on his left knee in less than a year sidelined him for the entire preseason. In his NFL debut, he managed 39 yards, which prompted Bengals linebacker Maualuga to say "he didn’t do nothing spectacular." Maualuga was wrong. Exactly one month after knee surgery, no matter if it's minor or not, Richardson carried the ball 19 times. In terms of toughness, that is spectacular.

Richardson can be a top-five running back in the NFL as early as next season. That isn't to say he's the next Adrian Peterson right now.

"I still think he can do some things better when he doesn’t have the football, which means we probably ought to give him the ball every time he’s in there," coach Pat Shurmur said.

Richardson still has a ways to go before he convinces everyone about his talent. Jim Brown, who was critical of Richardson after the Browns drafted him, told The Plain Dealer that he was impressed with Richardson's performance against the Bengals. But he stopped short of fully endorsing the former Alabama star.

"Richardson has to show he can consistently carry a team," Brown told the paper. "The Browns have had some players that looked like they could, and it didn't work out. (Peyton) Hillis had a lot of talent."

Brown is right in that respect. It doesn't matter how many 1,000-yard seasons Richardson records. He was drafted to turn around a franchise that regularly loses more than 10 games a season and hasn't won a playoff game since 1994. Losing hasn't been easy on Richardson, who went 36-4 in three seasons at Alabama and won two national championships.

“At some point we have to put up more points than the other team is putting up,” Richardson said. “If they score on special teams, we have to come back and score. We did a good job (offensively), but I think we can do an even better job. When we start winning, it’s going to be much better."

Based on the first couple weeks of the season, Richardson is at his best when faced with a challenge.

Why the CJ Spiller love? Hall of Fame?

Dude averages 568 yards per 16 games played.

actually if you throw out the 2010 season because he only started one game. in 2011/12 He has started 12 games out of 17 and rushed 853 yards with 7 td's he has 341 recieving yards with 2 td's

his average YPC in 2011/12 is 6.27. that is sick!

Throw in the fact that he is the only back since Jim Brown to have a rushing average over 10 in the first two games of the season.

there is your reason for all of the love

He was not good his first year. He averaged 3.8 yards per carry.

I was watching Browns redzone last night and they were saying after practice on wednesday Richardson pulled the team together and basically told them He is not used to losing and its time for the Browns to start winning. Apparently he went to some of the vets and asked before he did it which shows even more class.

When I watch Richardson run there is a certain sense of aggression that I'm not used to seeing in a Browns running back. Hillis did it for a brief while then went crazy. I think, in part, it has kind of rubbed off on Ogbonnaya and that's what got him into trouble with that fumble in Cincy. He turned to lay a hit on a defender and wound up losing the ball when another one closed in on him. That's one fumble that didn't make me want to scream. Because it happened while the running back was trying to dish out some. I expect that attitude to be catching.


He hasn't really been with the team during training camp. It'll take a while for his kind of leadership to catch on. I expect some of our rookies to quit acting like rookies in the not-too-distant future. When your running back wants to deal out some pain it's best to open a hole and let him through.

So you're telling me he couldn't get more than five carries on a team that was near the bottom of the league in offense.

I like Spiller.
I wanted him out of college. He's quick, good speed with good vision. We need to be careful of him in space. Not sure if he's big enough to be a career every down back. I always thought of him as a solid tandem back with more of a 3rd back type game

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I'm saying that to paint his as "bad" that year is like painting Little as bad for us after last year...

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You're allowed to be wrong.

When you are a running back drafted 9th overall you should average more than 3.8 yards per carry.

Either way, it doesn't matter at this point. He's good now. Trent Richardson is probably better.