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http://www.newsnet5.com/dpp/news/local_n...ont-developmentNew Browns owner meets Cleveland City Council, will explore idea of adding dome to stadium CLEVELAND - New Cleveland Browns owner Jimmy Haslam came to Cleveland City Hall Wednesday to meet with a caucus of city council. The sin tax that pays for Cleveland Browns Stadium, and for repairs to the stadium, expires in 2015. Council spokesperson Jim Kopniske said lakefront development is expected to be one of several topics during the meeting. But the meeting also gives city leaders a chance to meet the new team owner. Cleveland Browns Stadium hosts eight home games a year, including some concerts and other events, but some people have asked if the stadium could be used for more events and activities. Of course, not being a domed stadium puts restrictions on certain events that could be held there. But during the meeting Wednesday, Haslam brought up that he wants to bring in three architect firms to look at the potential of adding a retractable roof on Browns Stadium. He said it's not an urgent matter, but wants to explore the option. About six years ago, Cleveland City Councilman Mike Polensek spearheaded an effort to put a dome on Cleveland Browns stadium. But that proposal was knocked down by Mayor Frank Jackson. Many believe putting a dome on the stadium would make Cleveland eligible to host a SuperBowl. NewsChannel5 will be at the meeting and will provide you updates on key topics as they become available. :
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I'm all for the idea of having a dome.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
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we'll see. he is likely going to float out all kinds of suggestions in the media (logo, helmet change, etc.) just to gauge fan reactions to some of them.
if he pushes forward is where I'll be concerned (as I like the homefield advantage we have on the lake).
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As long as the roof never closes on gameday, go for it.
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As long as the roof never closes on gameday, go for it.
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Though, a thunderstorm game would be a good time to close the roof (with lightning in the area).
And how does the writer not know there are 10 homes game per year? You have to count the preseason games too.
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Ugh. I didn't anticipate this potential downside to having a southern owner.
He did say Retractable Dome.
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Dome = chance to host super bowl
He is determined to bring the Lombardi trophy to Cleveland one way or another!
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I'm all for the idea of Pink Floyd at CBS in February.
I'm also in favor of December home field advantages.
In other words: retractable roof!
NO PERMANENT DOME!!!!!
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The NFL has certain rules on when a Retractable Roof must be closed and I hope that one of them isn't snow. Snow football is great, but if we have one of those blizzard type conditions like we had in Buffalo a few years ago or the infamous "Tuck" game in New England years ago I believe the NFL rules would force the roof closed. I'm all for having a Superbowl in Cleveland, however I don't think it should take a Roof to do it, but that is for a different discussion.
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Don't teams with loud domes claim very big home field advantages all season?
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I don't see the problem with adding a retractable dome.
with some of Shurmur's comments today, it would seem that even if we had the retractable dome, he would still let in the "wintery" weather for the football games.
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I don't see us closing the roof when it's cold out. No team does that and part of the reason as to why they want one is to get fans to the stadium when it's 10 degrees out and the team is 3-11
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As long as the roof never closes on gameday, go for it.
I would like this but I wouldn't be opposed to closing it during really bad weather (dangerous thunderstorms, torrential downpour, etc)... the kind of things that no one likes to watch a game during but creates dangerous playing conditions. Other than that... wind, snow, cold temps, etc. are all fair game.
It makes way too much sense to do this though... it would allow us to host a Super Bowl and other games, have concerts and events during inclement weather and colder months, etc. It's kind of goofy to have a stadium sit vacant most of the time in a place that really needs venues.
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I'm all for the idea of Pink Floyd at CBS in February.
I'm also in favor of December home field advantages.
In other words: retractable roof!
NO PERMANENT DOME!!!!!
I haven't seen Pink Floyd yet at the new stadium and December games are always a welcome birthday present on my behalf.
I'm in favor of both. 
I think that this shows Jimmy Haslam has visions for the future of this franchise here in Cleveland.
Good stuff.
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I thought this was looked into a few years ago and the cost was about 1/3 what he paid for the team. The other thing is the retactable roof would slide across the top of the stadium it wouldnt enclose the stadium so cold and wind would still get in.
With the concrete work the Browns were already requesting Im not sure where the money to do something like that would come from.
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I always felt that way but the economic realities of that facility make it clear that we need to increase the revenue it can generate. If that means a retractable doom, then so be it.
Once Haslam becomes owner, if he meets with other owners and gets a commitment to have Cleveland host a Superbowl if we put a dome on it, I guarantee you, the city will go for it and so will all the local business community will embrace it as well.
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I'm all for the idea of Pink Floyd at CBS in February.
You got me all excited thinking I somehow missed that they (or what's left of them) were going to tour!
I saw their last tour at Muni (Division Bell in '94) - we were on the field in about row 50.
Seen Roger Waters The Wall 2x so far and may go again if I get the chance.
About the dome - I suppose I'm for it, but I want it left open in cold weather games. The most memorable games I've attended and the ones that get talked about at tailgates the most are the extreme conditions - Bills snow game, Pittsburgh Thursday night game, J'Ville game that same year, Tennessee game from many years ago for example.
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I see pros and cons but I'm not sure what this has to do with him being a southern owner... He is a businessman who will sit in a climate controlled suite on game day, for his own comfort, the dome doesn't affect him at all.
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j/c http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index.ssf/2012/09/browns_owner_jimmy_haslam_meet.htmlCLEVELAND, Ohio -- Browns owner Jimmy Haslam, when asked about constructing a retractable dome on Browns Stadium during a meet-and-greet session with Cleveland City Council this morning, said he will be bringing in architects for ideas on enhancements at the city-owned stadium. Haslam said he wants the city to get more use out of the facility. "Anything that helps us do that. . . we're certainly going to take a look at it," he said. Haslam's response today mirrored what he told The Plain Dealer in an exclusive interview in August. He said then, "We have spent some time at the stadium. We’ll have three really well-known stadium architects walk through. I do think there’s some enhancements for the fans that need to be done. What, I don’t know." Haslam's answer today did not prevent fans on Twitter and other social media from speculating on whether the Browns stadium would soon have a retractable roof or dome. Haslam also said in August that he was committed to the city of Cleveland for "the long haul." Council members, though, were more preoccupied with football talk than serious business during Haslam's visit. They brought up everything from the 1964 Browns championship to the rival Steelers, the draft and Red Right 88, the ill-fated passing play that sunk the Browns playoff run in 1981, and broke the heart of the city. Earlier today, City Council President Martin Sweeney said he did not expect the Tennessee billionaire to bring up any business with the city, such as improvements to Browns Stadium. "There's no formal request of any kind," Sweeney said. "The specific purpose is meeting the council and meeting the new owner." Haslam, a minority owner of the Steelers since 2008, bought the Browns from Randy Lerner in August, "We're not moving the Cleveland Browns," Haslam told The Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot as the sale was pending in early August. "To own a team with a such a rich tradition and history is a dream come true. Randy had four things he wanted and I won't share all of them, but No. 1 was we keep them in Cleveland. Why would we move? I've been to three games there on the other side of the field and I've seen the intensity and the enthusiasm. That thought never, ever entered our minds." Haslam also stressed that not only are the Browns here to stay, so is he. No more upheaval or overhauls. "We're in this for the long run," he said. "We've owned our family business for 53 years. There are some people that come into a franchise for three years and sell it. That's not us. Our family is in this for the long, long run."
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I see pros and cons but I'm not sure what this has to do with him being a southern owner... He is a businessman who will sit in a climate controlled suite on game day, for his own comfort, the dome doesn't affect him at all.
well I was commenting on the dome, not on him being a southern owner,, I could care less about that.
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I thought this was looked into a few years ago and the cost was about 1/3 what he paid for the team. The other thing is the retactable roof would slide across the top of the stadium it wouldnt enclose the stadium so cold and wind would still get in.
With the concrete work the Browns were already requesting Im not sure where the money to do something like that would come from.
True ... there are some challenges that come with and that's why he is bringing in 3 firms to come up with possible solutions.
Also what happens when the sin tax expires? Certainly they are not going to lower the tax on Tobacco and Alcohol, so there's that.
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It's a brilliant idea. It's not a permanent dome for the old school guys and you can host other events to help Cleveland have money.
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I see pros and cons but I'm not sure what this has to do with him being a southern owner... He is a businessman who will sit in a climate controlled suite on game day, for his own comfort, the dome doesn't affect him at all.
I agree .. I don't think that has anything to do with it at all.
It's a good sign when your owner in waiting is already showing to be a man of action.
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One of my biggest concerns with any plan to add a dome to CBS would be the inevitable discussion regarding natural turf vs. some sort of articifial turf (e.g. Field Turf). Growing natural grass in even a retractable dome environment has always been problematic. The only time I've seen it work is in Phoenix where the entire field is on a huge motorized tray that slides outdoors on non-game days where it can get full sun and natural air. If we end up with a domed stadium, we'd better be prepared to watch football on an artificial surface.
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I saw their last tour at Muni (Division Bell in '94) - we were on the field in about row 50.
I was there, too! I thought it was awesome. Every song, the theatrics topped the previous song. The pigs with the searchlights for eyes was the highlight for me.
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well I was commenting on the dome, not on him being a southern owner,, I could care less about that.
I know you were but the quote you responded to was about him being a southern owner and I'm too lazy to go find the original. 
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One of my biggest concerns with any plan to add a dome to CBS would be the inevitable discussion regarding natural turf vs. some sort of articifial turf (e.g. Field Turf). Growing natural grass in even a retractable dome environment has always been problematic. The only time I've seen it work is in Phoenix where the entire field is on a huge motorized tray that slides outdoors on non-game days where it can get full sun and natural air. If we end up with a domed stadium, we'd better be prepared to watch football on an artificial surface.
You bring up a good point, but I don't recall it being attempted in our climate zone either.
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I sure would hate losing that home field advantage of the cold weather that has never mattered before or since....
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I sure would hate losing that home field advantage of the cold weather that has never mattered before or since....
I was wondering who was going to say it first...LOL
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I hate sitting outdoors in freezing weather. If you enjoy it good for you, but my guess is that most people in Cleveland would rather go to an indoor game in Dec than they would now.
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I hate the current stadium. Whatever they do with it is fine with me.
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If the team won games, it'd be packed into January.
Attendance at end of season has more to do with wins, losses, and holidays than it does temperature.
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W/hy is it that some people hate the new stadium? I was too young to remember the old stadium but I don't get why some people hate the new stadium.
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Attendance at end of season has more to do with wins, losses, and holidays than it does temperature.
Oh people would go, that's not his point... his point is that they would be more comfortable and have a better time and enjoy the game more if it was indoors than if it was -5 with a 25 mph wind....... and they would.
It's one of those things that the diehards would complain about as it was being proposed and built... until it was done. I'd like to go up to a guy and his wife at a late December game that could mean we were going to playoffs or not, who are watching the game with their jerseys on and a hot dog in their hand and a cold beer in the cup holder and and cheering like mad... then ask them if they would rather be outside.... the vast majority will find it be a much more pleasant experience if its inside..
And as already has been mentioned, where does this perception that we have some kind of cold weather advantage come from?
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The stadium wasnt designed for a dome. You cant retrofit a dome. It would be too expensive. It would have to be a new stadium.... aint gonna happen
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W/hy is it that some people hate the new stadium? I was too young to remember the old stadium but I don't get why some people hate the new stadium.
It's a 'sterile' feeling, cookie cutter, suburban tract home design. Compared to the old gritty, Muni. The Muni was attrocious but it had a rust belt charm. The new stadium brings none of that feel of Cleveland in its design.
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