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I have heard of the news. It was really important to see the evidence before doing the right thing.
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and he still never failed a drug test.
Amazing luck wouldn't you say?
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Amazing luck wouldn't you say?
Neither did Barry Bonds. 
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Today, the UCI agreed to strip away the 7 Tour titles ... in addition to that, they aslo agreed to NOT award the wins to anybody else of that era, since all but one of the podium winners from those 7 years have also been implicated in doping scandals at some point in their careers. A move I can agree with. If anything, they should probably strip all tour winners from the last 15 years or so, as almost everyone since 1997 (except maybe the last two winners) have been implicated in one way or another.
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I heard about new allegations of Armstrong using intimidation and bribes.. this just keeps getting better. 
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The only thing that I have gotten out of any of this is that the entire cycling world has been as corrupt as any sports organization/industry in the history of sports ...... and that one corrupt guy has been singled out because he was the most successful of the corrupt guys in that corrupt sport.
I am glad that I have never been a cycling fan, because I am to the point where I would bet that there is not one clean athlete in the entire sport, despite their supposed mandatory drug testing.
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The only thing that I have gotten out of any of this is that the entire cycling world has been as corrupt as any sports organization/industry in the history of sports ...... and that one corrupt guy has been singled out because he was the most successful of the corrupt guys in that corrupt sport.
I am glad that I have never been a cycling fan, because I am to the point where I would bet that there is not one clean athlete in the entire sport, despite their supposed mandatory drug testing.
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And I've been watching cycling since high school and the days of Greg Lemond and Miguel Indurain.
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The only thing that I have gotten out of any of this is that the entire football/MLB/NBA world has been as corrupt as any sports organization/industry in the history of sports ...... and that one corrupt guy has been singled out because he was the most successful of the corrupt guys in that corrupt sport.
I am glad that I have never been a football/MLB/NBA fan, because I am to the point where I would bet that there is not one clean athlete in the entire sport, despite their supposed mandatory drug testing.
It's called professional sports. The name of the sport and the rules may change, but it's all the same game.... make money.
Sadly, at least the likes of the WWF don't pretend to not be what they are.
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The NFL, MLB, and NBA are all doing a better job on drug testing, and have suspended star players and nobodies alike. Joe Haden got caught for a rather minor drug, and was suspended for 1/4 of the season.
As far as I know, all 3 sports have outsourced their drug testing so they are not the ones with power over the samples.
It all depends on what substances were banned at what time. I believe that these PEDs were banned at the time Armstrong was riding, right? They just somehow managed to come up with completely clean samples across the board for him even though so many people have come forth to claim that he was dirty as could be. Sorry, but there had to be some complicity there.
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Yea, I agree that every sport in every country is going to have those who try to cheat... but to imply that any of the major sports in the US is on par with what has gone on in cycling is just not right.
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As far as I know, all 3 sports have outsourced their drug testing so they are not the ones with power over the samples
And in all three sports, none of the results are made public and the head of each sport - and ONLY them - is who receives the reports and is who determines what sort of penalty is applied. Even in the case of Joe Haden, we were allowed to have him in Week 1 for "competitive reasons".
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I believe that these PEDs were banned at the time Armstrong was riding, right? They just somehow managed to come up with completely clean samples across the board for him even though so many people have come forth to claim that he was dirty as could be. Sorry, but there had to be some complicity there.
And you're going to claim that none of the big time stars in the NFL are using any kinds of PED's like HGH?? There's no chance of complicity to protect the brand and popularity of players? C'mon... you're smarter than that. Do you really think the NFL would ever let on whether or not an Ed Reed, Troy Polamalu, Tom Brady, or Ray Lewis use HGH? I don't. Heck, I'm not sure how you can look at Terrell Suggs and conclude anything other than PED's.
If anything, I'd say that the NFL throws out enough sacrificial lambs to give a much, much better appearance of trying to be clean.... but, that's about it.
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More Armstrong backlash. Lance may have to get a jobby-job...
Now that Lance Armstrong has been stripped of his seven Tour de France victories by the International Cycling Union, this latest bit of news should come as no surprise. But SCA Promotions, the LBJ Freeway-based sports-insurance company forced to pay Armstrong a $7.5-million bonus following his 2004 win, wants its money back. And if it’s not returned sooner than later, SCA will file suit against Armstrong.
“If the money’s not returned,” says SCA’s external counsel, attorney Jeffrey Tillotson, “the company will pursue all legal avenues to get it repaid.”
Earlier today BBC Sports reported that Armstrong had till October 29 to pay it back. Tillotson says, no, that’s not the case: “We just now got the UCI action, so we have not yet made a formal demand on him. We will. And if he doesn’t comply, the company will pursue all legal avenues.”
For those who don’t recall, SCA tried years ago to keep from paying Armstrong the bonus, claiming at the time the evidence was mighty strong that Armstrong wasn’t clean. As our Michael Grabell and Cathy Harasta reported at the time, what began as a contract dispute in 2004 “morphed into the closest thing to a trial of Lance Armstrong in the U.S., with Armstrong victorious.” In ’06 they reached a settlement, and SCA had to pay that bonus on behalf of Tailwind Sports, which owned the U.S. Postal Service team.
“We had a contract that said so long as he was the official winner, we were required to pay him the bonus,” says Tillotson. “We raised concerns about whether he was cheating, Mr. Armstrong’s legal team said, ‘Who cares, he’s the official winner,’ so we paid the bonus. They have now judged he’s no longer the winner, so we want to recoup our payment.”
Tillotson calls the decision to ask for the $7.5 million “a very bittersweet moment,” given the contentious battle over the money six years ago. But it had to happen, he says. Because “he’s no longer the official winner of anything.” SCA, he says, may issue a longer statement in coming days.
I've long bashed Armstrong and believed he was uber-dirty, but I gotta say I'm still surprised at just how deeply crooked he was. This goes beyond just blood-doping. This is far closer to organized crime. Wait...it IS organized crime. He was living a massive double-life: Glorified hero and absolute face of humanity in the fight against Cancer by day, but by night the Boss of the biggest organized crime family in a sport filled with corruption and deceit.
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Updated: January 15, 2013, 10:41 AM AUSTIN, Texas -- Lance Armstrong has finally come clean. Armstrong confessed to doping during an interview with Oprah Winfrey taped Monday, just a couple of hours after a wrenching apology to staff at the Livestrong charity he founded and has now been forced to surrender. The day ended with 2½ hours of questions from Winfrey at a downtown Austin hotel, where she said the world's most famous cyclist was "forthcoming" as she asked him in detail about doping allegations that followed him throughout his seven Tour de France victories. Speaking on "CBS This Morning," Winfrey said she had not planned to address Armstrong's confession before the interview aired on her OWN network but, "by the time I left Austin and landed in Chicago, you all had already confirmed it." "So I'm sitting here now because it's already been confirmed," she added. I only pasted 5% of the article, so follow the link if you want to keep reading. Plus, this is only the article about how he's going to come clean Thursday night. So I would bet there will be TONS and TONS of articles for us to read with the juicy details Friday morning. But anyway, I'm wondering what all the defenders of Lance are going to say now. He lied and cheated his way to the top and is only coming clean after his titles and sponsors were taken away or left...now that he has nothing to lose, he's developed a conscience (awfully convenient). Those of us that wanted Lance exposed for the cheater and liar he truly was are getting their wish now. I can't say that I'm happier than before, more sickened I guess. Oh well.
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Not that I care about cycling, or this event, but wasn't he just doing what all his opponents were doing? That is one dirty sport. That makes Major League Baseball in the 90's look like child's play.
The best part about this is that d-bag we all know who took up cycling and became an "expert" on it after Lance got big, can now crawl back into his hole with his Yankee and Laker jerseys.
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I still can't believe people were supporting him when he didn't even want to defend himself, when he was stripped of his titles. People were saying he didn't want to spend the money and time. Bullcrap. Your name is everything, and if you were innocent, you would've fought to the bitter end, no matter what the cost was. The guy should be ashamed for himself, for lying to the american public all of these years. Have 0 respect for the guy.
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Well ..... he looks like the chief scumbag in a scummy sport.
The cycling agency should ban everyone from that whole era ...... including themselves. Everyone was filthy dirty.
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I still can't believe people were supporting him when he didn't even want to defend himself, when he was stripped of his titles.
I didn't defend him because I thought he was clean ... I've said for years that he's probably used (although the extent of which appears to be much bigger than originally thought) ... I "defended" him because of a couple reasons that still haven't really changed:
1) He beat cancer and came back to race at a competetive level.
2) He created a charity that's raised millions to fight said-disease.
3) He beat a field that was pretty much completely full of other liars and cheaters.
It's the third one that really gets me ... Everyone is acting like he was the lone guy here. Even some of his ex-teammates are acting like he was this Mafia Don that forced everyone on the team into using PED's ... yet somehow when they all went to other teams, THAT is when they got busted for using their own drugs.
Meanwhile, pretty much every tour winner and runner up from 1996 through 2009 have either been accused or straight out found guilty of using PEDs. So he cheated and lied to beat a field of cheats and lairs. I guess the moral here is it's okay to cheat and lie as long as you don't win *too* much.
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Not that I care about cycling, or this event, but wasn't he just doing what all his opponents were doing?
No, what he was doing was far more heinous than just "doing the same thing everyone else did."
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The thing that makes Armstrong look so bad is that he went after guys who tested positive for PEDs.
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No, what he was doing was far more heinous than just "doing the same thing everyone else did."
Why, because he was better at it than everyone else?
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Not that I care about cycling, or this event, but wasn't he just doing what all his opponents were doing?
No, what he was doing was far more heinous than just "doing the same thing everyone else did."
Why, because he was better at it than everyone else?
No. because he stood on a soap box and said "I'm awesome because I don't use PEDs"
And now 15 years later is getting paid by Oprah to admit to something everyone knows is true already...
He apparently got a guy kicked off the team because that guy refused to "play ball" and go see the doctor to get drugged up...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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He also sued people who accused him of using PEDs.
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And now 15 years later is getting paid by Oprah to admit to something everyone knows is true already...
That could also be labeled savvy.
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Heis a buisness man afterall... 
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No, what he was doing was far more heinous than just "doing the same thing everyone else did."
Why, because he was better at it than everyone else?
No, because of the way he viciously and aggressively went after the people who spoke out against him.
Had he just cheated it would have been one thing. He wouldn't have been any worse than the rest of the dopers in cycling, though on a much grander scale. What Armstrong did was to call, text, sue, and threaten people, and in many cases vindictively take from them the ability to work and provide for their families.
Armstrong wasn't "just" a cheater. He was a bully and a monster.
The truth about Armstrong is so much bigger than just taking PED's. It's what he did to other people that made him the POS he is.
And since I'm diving back into this, just because he's now decided that he's going to come onto the soft-ball tossing Oprah Winfrey show and "admit" what everyone under the sun already knew, that isn't going to buy him a second chance. Truth be told, this is just another calculated move in a decade of calculated moves.
Lance Armstrong isn't sorry. Lance Armstrong is just sorry he got caught. Whatever he's intending on trying to gain by making this admission is nothing more than a way to try and limit the damage to his empire and personal life.
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Right, he was better at it than everyone else.
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If you mean he was the biggest bully and the biggest monster and went to extremes that no doper had ever gone to in order to protect his ass, including ruining the lives of other people through intimidation, lawsuits, and back-door channels to keep people from getting work while threatening them with bodily harm, then I agree.
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I don't think too many people care any more. Almost everybody has been convinced that he did some level of PEDs for a while now. Some people are getting some joy as they feel vindicated... but for most people this announcement is about as shocking as if Barry Bonds admitted it.
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I don't think too many people care any more. Almost everybody has been convinced that he did some level of PEDs for a while now. Some people are getting some joy as they feel vindicated... but for most people this announcement is about as shocking as if Barry Bonds admitted it.
Seems to be all they want to talk about on Sports Radio though! I had to laugh at this one host on the radio yesterday. He was talking about how nobody cares, and that the sport of cycling is nothing ... and I'm thinking, "Wait a minute, then why are you spending most of your show talking about this then?" If somebody like Tony Azevedo was found to be guilty of some elaborate PED scheme ... I don't think anyone would blink once, because water polo is a actually a sport that nobody watches. 
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The media cares because he went after anyone who accused him of using PEDs. He ruined tons of lives. The guy is a monster.
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