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You can go end to end on Cleveland State's campus without setting foot outside. About 8-10 blocks. It's pretty nice.
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You can go end to end on Cleveland State's campus without setting foot outside. About 8-10 blocks. It's pretty nice.
same thing with the Cleveland Clinic.
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I think that a dome enclosing a stadium, parking, restaurants, hotels, and shopping would be spectacular. Imagine being able to drive into your parking space, walk into an enclosed walk to the stadium, or if you want to get there early, you could stop at a bar or restaurant, and so on.
They could even have a tailgate area where people could set up, either without their vehicles, or maybe on the top (uncovered) level of a parking deck. They could make money by renting the spaces for tailgating at an additional charge.
A series of massive geodesic domes, all interconnected.
Our city's motto for tourism advertising could be "Cleveland - We've got a lotta Balls". 
As for the interconnected buildings, I think that this is prevalent in Minnesota in general. I'm not entirely certain about Minneapolis, but I know for a fact that Rochester is this way. Literally every building in the downtown area can be accessed from one another without ever stepping outside.
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This is all crazy talk to me still...
Geodesic domes? Oh man. From that model alone that immediately becomes the hottest, sweatiest stadium EVER in the summer. It becomes a greenhouse if they do it that way. It'd be so hot.
Beyond that...I understand the draw of the big events I do...but at the expense of winter football being winter football? I never in my entire life as a child saw snow outside and asked my buddies if they wanted to go in someone else's basement or house to play football. I never asked any of my buddies if they wanted to go to the nearest gym to play football.
If it were up to me thered be 0 domes in the NFL. I think Minnesota, Detroit, Atlanta, Indy, New Orleans (for some reason I like theirs...only one though), even this retractable roof in arizona (cuz theres such bad weather there they need to cover it...stupid) are all just stupid. stupid. Football is football because its played outside.
I even hate that Buffalo, NYG/NYJ, Cincy and those other assorted stadiums have turf. You play in a place where grass grows...dont be fancy...use grass.
Elements SHOULD be a part of the game. Its what makes it so great. all this talk just sounds so blasphemous to me and I've lived in Binghamton, Alfred, and Buffalo, NY...Get out of here with this dome stuff...
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arizona (cuz theres such bad weather there they need to cover it...stupid)
for games from August through the end of October, the temperatures are regularly over 100. sitting for 3-4 hours under the Arizona sun will sap the energy out of anyone. it is miserable.
i'll gladly sit in a December football game in Cleveland over an August game in Arizona (not to mention the real health risks associated from playing football in what would be even hotter 'on field' conditions).
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I never in my entire life as a child saw snow outside and asked my buddies if they wanted to go in someone else's basement or house to play football. I never asked any of my buddies if they wanted to go to the nearest gym to play football.
I get it, I really do. But the concept of the dome, the need for the dome (here and elsewhere), goes way beyond your fond memories of playing or watching football in the snow as a kid... it's about economics and billions of dollars are at stake.
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I never in my entire life as a child saw snow outside and asked my buddies if they wanted to go in someone else's basement or house to play football. I never asked any of my buddies if they wanted to go to the nearest gym to play football.
I get it, I really do. But the concept of the dome, the need for the dome (here and elsewhere), goes way beyond your fond memories of playing or watching football in the snow as a kid... it's about economics and billions of dollars are at stake.
Exactly, I would prefer them to play outside, but if it means billions of dollars infused into the local economy, well bring on a dome.
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Thank you, football is meant to be played outside. How depressing would it be if it were dumping snow outside and you had to go inside to watch football, lame.
Wind, rain, snow, cold this is all a part of football.
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I'm thinking that the ice bowl was the worst thing to happen to sports... An anomoly destroying fun. Man that never happens in the US... 
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to piggyback...i guess on myself? The best moments have all happened in weather.
The Tuck Rule game
Phil's 8-0 triumph
Leon Lett
Red Right 88 (okay not a best moment, but still memorable)
Pats/Colts AFC Championship game in NE
The Ice Bowl
etc...
its not like the Super Bowls in great weather have been all that amazing in terms of game play in the last 8 years...
Giants/Pats...twice, both teams scoring under 22.
Steelers/Cards...save for the last few minutes
even the 02 SB was 20-17
Colts/Bears? Pretty sure sexy rexy coulda done that in the snow
Pit/Seattle
Giants/Ravens
Rams/Titans...
the greatest show on turf scored 23 and 17 in their two super bowls...
We cant do that in weather? We need a dome to host a super bowl? Get out of here...I'm trying to fry bigger fish here...but cmon NFL...grow up.
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Colts/Bears? Pretty sure sexy rexy coulda done that in the snow
That game was played in a downpour and was one of the ugliest Super Bowls I've ever watched.
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I hate it.
Looks like something we could store road salt under for the Ohio Turnpike.
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Thank you, football is meant to be played outside. How depressing would it be if it were dumping snow outside and you had to go inside to watch football, lame.
Wind, rain, snow, cold this is all a part of football.
I don't know, I went to Detroit for a game when it was brutally cold with extremely high winds. I don't get cold easily, but I was shivering by the time we got into the doors of Silverdome. It sure was nice to be able to shed the coat and enjoy the game in shirtsleeves. Granted, I didn't dress to be outside for a four hours in that kind of weather. I've been to a few games in Ford Field and that also is one nice place to watch a football game. I guess the older I get, the less appealling sitting in the rain or cold becomes.
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Thank you, football is meant to be played outside. How depressing would it be if it were dumping snow outside and you had to go inside to watch football, lame.
Wind, rain, snow, cold this is all a part of football.
I don't know, I went to Detroit for a game when it was brutally cold with extremely high winds. I don't get cold easily, but I was shivering by the time we got into the doors of Silverdome. It sure was nice to be able to shed the coat and enjoy the game in shirtsleeves. Granted, I didn't dress to be outside for a four hours in that kind of weather. I've been to a few games in Ford Field and that also is one nice place to watch a football game. I guess the older I get, the less appealling sitting in the rain or cold becomes.
Me too. Plus you eliminate the ability of many older fans to go to late season games, because they simply cannot handle the weather. Hell, I'm getting to the point where I don't want to be in cold weather for extended periods of time, even for a football game. Plus, we are seeing people abandon the Browns late in the season when the weather turns crappy. Part of that is, obviously, because of the product on the field, but another part of it is that some people just don't want to sit in cold, miserable conditions unless the team is going to the playoffs. (or has a shot) They might actually use their tickets if the game wasn't "double misery".
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I'm all for keeping precipitation OUT, but letting the COLD in.
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I remember sitting in the upper deck for the Rams game many years ago. (In the midst of the Holcomb/Couch debacle) It was in the 20s, IIRC, but that wind up there just sliced right through me. It was horrible. I would be all for improving the experience for the fans. Like I said, If you have a bad product and a bad experience, then you wind up with empty seats, or opposing fans selling out the stadium. I see removing brutal cold, and especially wind, as improving the fan experience.
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Thank you, football is meant to be played outside. How depressing would it be if it were dumping snow outside and you had to go inside to watch football, lame.
Wind, rain, snow, cold this is all a part of football.
I just don't buy that.
If they had the ability to play it indoors when football was invented, they would have.
I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
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I never in my entire life as a child saw snow outside and asked my buddies if they wanted to go in someone else's basement or house to play football. I never asked any of my buddies if they wanted to go to the nearest gym to play football.
Theres a slight difference between PLAYING football for a couple hours, and SITTING and watching it...
Sure if we were contending you'd see the stadium fill up at the end of the year and people wouldn't "mind" it as much because the teams winning and its exciting...
But without all that to warm you up? AND the added profit of other events (SB, WM, FF, etc) It's almost a no brainer...
I just wish someone could put a birdie in Haslams ear that a whole new stadium would be so much better, and probably easier to a point, then trying to fit a lid on CBS.
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I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
Great point! Something that I completely overlooked in that argument.
On the flip side....
How cool would it be if the endzones were covered in raked leaves three feet high?
That's how I remember football back in the day as little kids!
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Theres be so many 15 yard penalties for excessive celebration...theres no way I could ever not jump in...i see the temptation as too strong
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Thank you, football is meant to be played outside. How depressing would it be if it were dumping snow outside and you had to go inside to watch football, lame.
Wind, rain, snow, cold this is all a part of football.
I just don't buy that.
If they had the ability to play it indoors when football was invented, they would have.
I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
I don't buy that. When football was started it was primarily a fall sport with fairly decent weather. By the time the snow was flying and the weather went south of the freezing mark the season was about over.
I understand the economics involved today, domes make complete sense. If I am Haslam and I just bought a piece of property for a billion I am thinking of ways of maximizing my potential revenue and that equals dome. I don't really see this as a way to attract fans to games--they go anyway, it's about putting events on in the dead of January, February, March.
I like football on grass and outdoors, but that was yesterday.
At any rate, it's bat crap ugly.
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I'm not oposed to a dome at this juncture but I do think this is one of the ugliest looking dome ideas I've ever seen. But then again I think the new FIAT 500 Abarth is pretty ugly too. But that's just me, right? 
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I just don't buy that.
If they had the ability to play it indoors when football was invented, they would have.
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I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
Great point! Something that I completely overlooked in that argument.
On the flip side....
How cool would it be if the endzones were covered in raked leaves three feet high?
That's how I remember football back in the day as little kids!
I'm just realizing a trend of the warm-weather dwelling people complaining about the cold. Man up!
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I'm not oposed to a dome at this juncture but I do think this is one of the ugliest looking dome ideas I've ever seen.
But then again I think the new FIAT 500 Abarth is pretty ugly too. But that's just me, right?
Not sure, I've never been able to focus on the car in those commercials! 
I'm wouldn't dwell on how the existing domes look. For all we know they could get very creative w/ the look of them.
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I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
Great point! Something that I completely overlooked in that argument.
On the flip side....
How cool would it be if the endzones were covered in raked leaves three feet high?
That's how I remember football back in the day as little kids!
I'm just realizing a trend of the warm-weather dwelling people complaining about the cold. Man up!
LOL.. I've noticed it too, not just here but in the summer when there is a group that whines about the heat when it gets over 90.
Either way, excl always seems to win the weather debate.. 
I grew up in a cold weather climate.. I can handle it, I was at the Buffalo game a few years ago in the blizzard and had a good time... but if you give me the choice... I'll choose not to sit out in a blizzard.
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I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
Great point! Something that I completely overlooked in that argument.
On the flip side....
How cool would it be if the endzones were covered in raked leaves three feet high?
That's how I remember football back in the day as little kids!
I'm just realizing a trend of the warm-weather dwelling people complaining about the cold. Man up!
LOL.. I've noticed it too, not just here but in the summer when there is a group that whines about the heat when it gets over 90.
Either way, excl always seems to win the weather debate..
I grew up in a cold weather climate.. I can handle it, I was at the Buffalo game a few years ago in the blizzard and had a good time... but if you give me the choice... I'll choose not to sit out in a blizzard.
I can definitely handle the cold - I will wear shorts, tshirt and flip flops when it's 10 degrees out and not think anything of it... but, given the choice, I'll take the indoor weather every time.
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I think hockey is a good model....they learned pretty early on it was good for business to build a barn around the ice rink.....hockey is the sport meant to be play in the cold....not football.
Great point! Something that I completely overlooked in that argument.
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How cool would it be if the endzones were covered in raked leaves three feet high?
That's how I remember football back in the day as little kids!
I'm just realizing a trend of the warm-weather dwelling people complaining about the cold. Man up!
Man up? 
I actually love the weather games...that Buffalo game...I'll never forget watching how cold it looked on tv. 
No seriously I do miss the cold days every once in a while. That's why I try to come back to Ohio right about now. I like 55-45 and I won't even bundle up. I run fairly hot and don't have an issue with cold hands or toes. Good blood flow I tell ya.
As far as real weather...like when it was 8 degrees, windy and I watched the Bengals in person a few years ago all while tailgating for 3 hours...I think I'd consider a geodesic dome on days like that.
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