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Oh yippie lets get Marty Mornhinweg and while we're at it lets fire Heckart and hire that brilliant football mind, the illustrious Matt Millen. If thats the best we can do just stick with Shurmer. At least there's a chance he'll figure it out with more OJT. 
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I am going to throw a name out there ..... and one I think would be a great head coach.
Brad Seely.
He has, obviously, been a special teams guru, but he's also been a position coach, (TE and OL) and Assistant Head Coach the last 4 years with Cleveland and San Francisco.
he is a respected coach throughout the NFL, and I think that he has the most important trait a Head Coach can possess .... that being leadership. I think that he sets an expectation of performance for his units, and he enforces discipline. These are part of the leadership required from a Head Coach.
We could then seek out the absolutely strongest coordinators, and not have to worry about forcing a square peg into a round hole as often happens when a Head Coach comes in on one side of the ball or the other with a very limited "tree" to choose from.
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Saban to the Browns?
One of the first questions Saban would ask Haslam...who will I be reporting to...who will I be working for...???
...Haslam says to Saban...why you will be working for the great bean counter from Philly, the guy who has never been head of the football side of an NFL franchise, JOE BANNER.
...Saban politely says, NO THANKS !
Banner has a history and every coach and front office in the NFL is aware of his history...his inability to get along with players and coaches are well documented. Banner even addressed the need for him to change...but can someone who has operated one way for 19 yrs, suddenly change?
I doubt any high profile hires are willing to take that chance.
Banner lost a long standing power struggle with Andy Reid and the facts are, no other team wanted to hire Banner, in any capacity.
So Banner got this idea of starting an investment group with the key being, the group had to allow him to run the team. Banner pulled it off and now the Browns are stuck with him.
Fact is, no team wanted to hire Banner to run their franchise, especially the football side, so Banner made a business move using his money, becoming a member of an investment group, literally buying himself the job.
I don't know how long it's going to take for Haslam to realize, he will have to deal with Banner's negatives, which could mean high profile candidates are not likely to work under Banner.
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Banner lost a long standing power struggle with Andy Reid and the facts are, no other team wanted to hire Banner, in any capacity.
Where do you come up with this rubbish?
Banner was out in Philly in June. I'm pretty sure of the 31 other NFL teams, all of them had a president in June. By July it was announced he was riding on the back of Haslem's horse. So he was basically out of work for one month and you turn that into "facts are, no other team wanted to hire Banner, in any capacity".
Dictionary.com is free and it provides valuable information about meanings of words, like "fact". You should check it out.
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Banner lost a long standing power struggle with Andy Reid and the facts are, no other team wanted to hire Banner, in any capacity.
Where do you come up with this rubbish?
Banner was out in Philly in June. I'm pretty sure of the 31 other NFL teams, all of them had a president in June. By July it was announced he was riding on the back of Haslem's horse. So he was basically out of work for one month and you turn that into "facts are, no other team wanted to hire Banner, in any capacity".
Dictionary.com is free and it provides valuable information about meanings of words, like "fact". You should check it out.
tuls...if you research, you will find that the first stories on Banner losing the power struggle with Reid came in March.
If the media learned about it in March, the rest of the NFL likely knew it before that. Any team wanting to inquire about Banner's availability would have been in contact with the Eagles long before the June announcement.
In some of the Jun 7 stories Lurie and Banner made the comment about Banner being available...saying he is a free agent. But in one of the same stories it was pointed out that these changes began in the spring, not in Jun, when the announcement came. This coincides with the first media stories about changes in Philly beginning in March.
If there was a team hot to hire the great Joe Banner, they would have learned about his availability much sooner than the June 7 announcement.
Fact...no team hired Joe Banner when word began to surface in March about changes in the Philly front office and no team hired Joe Banner after the Jun 7 announcement.
It was not a secret, Joe Banner wanted another job as Pres/CEO of an NFL team. Banner crafted another way that he could secure a job as Pres/CEO, using his cash to be a member of an investment group with the up front qualifier that the other members of the investment group allow him to be Pres/CEO.
While Haslam tries to sell this "stuff" that he did his due diligence in hiring Banner...it is clear from stories in early June that being named the Pres/CEO were the terms Banner established up front when he became a member of an investment group.
Do your homework before you challenge..research, look it up...I have.
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But in one of the same stories it was pointed out that these changes began in the spring, not in Jun, when the announcement came. This coincides with the first media stories about changes in Philly beginning in March.
So I'm curious, how many teams hired a President/CEO between March and June? Surely if Banner wasn't hired, it was because others were hired instead of him... Who are the football savvy people that beat out Banner for all of these positions... go ahead, make me a list.
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But in one of the same stories it was pointed out that these changes began in the spring, not in Jun, when the announcement came. This coincides with the first media stories about changes in Philly beginning in March.
So I'm curious, how many teams hired a President/CEO between March and June? Surely if Banner wasn't hired, it was because others were hired instead of him... Who are the football savvy people that beat out Banner for all of these positions... go ahead, make me a list.
not to mention that he left in June saying he wanted to pursue a higher-level executive position on a rebuilding team. and, by that time, Haslam was already in negotiations for the Browns.
i'm pretty sure that Banner left the Eagles already knowing that he had a spot with Haslam. now, did he leave because he wasn't granted greater autonomy on decisions with the Eagles? it very well could be. but, he only left the Eagles with another job already lined up IMO.
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If I had to guess on a replacement, I would say Bruce Arians. Steeler/Haslam ties and a system well suited for Gordon, Benjamin and Weeden.
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If I had to guess on a replacement, I would say Bruce Arians. Steeler/Haslam ties and a system well suited for Gordon, Benjamin and Weeden.
He made a playoff team out of Kevin Johnson, Dennis Northcutt, Quincy Morgan, Andra Davis, William Green, and Tim Couch... so why not?
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If I had to guess on a replacement, I would say Bruce Arians. Steeler/Haslam ties and a system well suited for Gordon, Benjamin and Weeden.
He made a playoff team out of Kevin Johnson, Dennis Northcutt, Quincy Morgan, Andra Davis, William Green, and Tim Couch... so why not?
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I remember how badly some folks on here wanted Ariens fired...LOL He just Head Coached a team to a win over us and QB or OC'ed Pittsburgh to a bunch of wins over us. Let's face it people, he's a good coach. I'd have no objection to having him here.
But I have to be honest, from what I've read about Pagano, I think there is a strong chance he never returns.. Sorry to say that by the way. So Bruce is the obvious choice to continue. At least that's what I think.
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That was my thought. Bruce might be the long term coach of the Colts.. Otherwise I'd take him back.
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Pagano will probably be back before the end of the season. It is a treatable from my understanding but he will be on meds from now on.
As for Arians people hated because he preferred Couch to Holcomb, simple as that. Ooo and the redzone end around he always ran annoyed the hell out of me but he is a quality coach. Fans in Pitt didnt like him because he wasn't the throw back, 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach they wanted.
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Fans in Pitt didnt like him because he wasn't the throw back, 3 yards and a cloud of dust coach they wanted.
They must love Todd Haley.
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Pagano will probably be back before the end of the season. It is a treatable from my understanding but he will be on meds from now on
That wasn't my understanding but I hope you are right.. I'd prefer that to what I had understood.
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I have read a few posts concerning Arians clock management with regard to the timeout called at the end of the half, leaving the browns with one second on the clock. I wonder if his thought process was to force us into a bad throw and a shot at an Int. with a long return. If so then I am on board with that. I think with a 1-5 record now is the time to open things up and take few risks. This playing not to lose, trying to outsmart everyone even yourself mentality that Shurmur seems to emplo is really getting old.
I think that Haslam will go hard at Jon Gruden. And then it will depend on how much control Gruden would want wether Heckert is around next year.
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Or if Gruden wants to come back to coaching, and if he'd want to come back to our train wreck.
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I think that Haslam will go hard at Jon Gruden.
IMHO, I doubt he goes hard at anyone from the Homgren tree.
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I agree that Gruden would have to want the job first.
Wouldn't the Holmgren tree kind of intertwine with those that Banner may be familiar with. I am going on the assumption that Banner would need to be comfortable working with whomever was hired thus someone with ties to the Eagles org. Although if Banner was disliked by all in the organization as some suggest then maybe they will go a completely different direction.
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I'd put large $$ that Gruden isn't going to come to coach the Browns, work 12 hour days, be under pressure and give up his $10mil 6-10 hours/week job he has now.
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Wouldn't the Holmgren tree kind of intertwine with those that Banner may be familiar with.
I would have to say yes to your point, but propose the stigma of the failed Holmgren regime here, and the animosity reported between Reid & Banner in Philly that you mentioned as a case for moving away from that tree altogether. Of course I could be completely wrong in that they may only be comfortable with that tree, as was Holmgren. In that case, oh boy! 
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After Banner's seeming power struggle with Reid in Philly, I wonder if any "name" coach will even be a consideration. It's not likely that Banner would want to go through that again, and most name coaches are going to want a lot of power. We could once again prove to be the training grounds for a young coach or a retread looking to get back to where he once was.
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I'd put large $$ that Gruden isn't going to come to coach the Browns, work 12 hour days,
A 12-hour day is like a vacation to an NFL coach. Especially in-season.
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I think it's beside the point... if Gruden wouldn't come coach the team when he would be working for his buddy, why would he come coach the team under the guy who canned his buddy?
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No way that can happen... haven't you read the boards, this time is going to be different 
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I think it's beside the point... if Gruden wouldn't come coach the team when he would be working for his buddy, why would he come coach the team under the guy who canned his buddy?
Because the guy who canned his buddy has a lot more money?
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I think it's beside the point... if Gruden wouldn't come coach the team when he would be working for his buddy, why would he come coach the team under the guy who canned his buddy?
Because the guy who canned his buddy has a lot more money?
and according to Wikipedia Haslam and Gruden both live in Knoxville! Conspiracy!!!
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I think it's beside the point... if Gruden wouldn't come coach the team when he would be working for his buddy, why would he come coach the team under the guy who canned his buddy?
Because the guy who canned his buddy has a lot more money?
and according to Wikipedia Haslam and Gruden both live in Knoxville! Conspiracy!!!
Yeah, but Haslam just bought a house in the Cleveland area... and so did Cowher. Conspiracy!!
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I think it's beside the point... if Gruden wouldn't come coach the team when he would be working for his buddy, why would he come coach the team under the guy who canned his buddy?
Because the guy who canned his buddy has a lot more money?
and according to Wikipedia Haslam and Gruden both live in Knoxville! Conspiracy!!!
Yeah, but Haslam just bought a house in the Cleveland area... and so did Cowher. Conspiracy!!
Tony Dungy is staying with my parents so the media doesn't notice he's in town too 
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Gruden's name is coming up in University of Tenn. talk too..
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Gruden's name is coming up in University of Tenn. talk too..
well, as noted, he lives in Knoxville.
i could see him coaching at UTn before I could see him on the Browns. But, really, I don't see why he would do either at this stage.
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Chucky's got it too good right now. He can talk as though he knows everything without having to actually go out there and prove it. 
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Chucky's got it too good right now. He can talk as though he knows everything without having to actually go out there and prove it.
so true...
not to mention.. who would take over his rookie QB camps that I've gotten so use to watching during draft time now? 
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I guess it all depends on how competitive a person is. But I do agree, I don't think he takes the job.
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