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That's it? That's the "Big Revelation"? This is what we were waiting for?
Does he think that reporters and the Secret Service haven't already done all that research?
If I'm Obama, I do it, make the SOB pay..
Now that right there would be funny.
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Does he think that reporters and the Secret Service haven't already done all that research?
The answer to your direct quote is "no... because they have not". Obama had those records sealed...which I find despicable.
Nevertheless, Trump is a goofball.
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Does he think that reporters and the Secret Service haven't already done all that research?
The answer to your direct quote is "no... because they have not". Obama had those records sealed...which I find despicable.
Nevertheless, Trump is a goofball.
I had no idea you could have your records sealed like that? How does one go about that?
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His records aren't 'sealed'. A 1974 law says schools can't release your transcripts without permission, which Obama has not given (nor, do I think, has any president).
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Call it what you wish...
Obama has not allowed his college transcripts or applications to be viewed.
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Call it what you wish...
Obama has not allowed his college transcripts or applications to be viewed.
Can you name a president who has since the law was passed in 1974?
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Obama has not allowed his college transcripts or applications to be viewed.
Can you name a president who has since the law was passed in 1974?
I've never looked it up...those guys are not running for President today...so it doesn't matter to me.
Can you name a President who has had so much controversy over his college years?
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Obama has not allowed his college transcripts or applications to be viewed.
Can you name a president who has since the law was passed in 1974?
I've never looked it up...those guys are not running for President today...so it doesn't matter to me.
That's because there isn't one.
Since the law was passed in 1974, no president or party-nominated candidate has ever released their college transcripts.
And Romney hasn't released his, either. But you haven't called him despicable for that, have you?
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Wrong.
G.W. Bush did release his college transcripts in the 2004 election cycle.
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G.W. Bush did release his college transcripts in the 2004 election cycle.
Wrong.
Bush declined to release them, and they were leaked to The New Yorker.
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And then he officially released them.
You said that no candidate ever released his records or transcripts. Bush did.
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Can you name a president who has since the law was passed in 1974?
I've never looked it up...those guys are not running for President today...so it doesn't matter to me.
That's because there isn't one.
Since the law was passed in 1974, no president or party-nominated candidate has ever released their college transcripts.
And Romney hasn't released his, either. But you haven't called him despicable for that, have you?
I'm not aware of any controversy around Romney's college years.
We'd learn much more from Obama's college info than from another year of Romney's tax return.
It took about 5 seconds to find this:
http://www.eduinreview.com/blog/2008/10/college-transcripts-of-george-w-bush-show-c-average/
Maybe it's bogus.
The last paragraph in the link below gives Romney's undergrad GPA and MBA class rank.
http://2012.republican-candidates.org/Romney/Education.php
The Huffington Post found this morsel about Mitt's high school years...yes...high school.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/06/mitt-romney-report-card_n_1748140.html
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Does he think that reporters and the Secret Service haven't already done all that research?
The answer to your direct quote is "no... because they have not". Obama had those records sealed...which I find despicable.
Nevertheless, Trump is a goofball.
sealed from the Secret Service? 
yeah, umm, good luck with that one
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I should also add this ......
I could not possibly care less about any candidate's college transcripts ..... especially if a candidate is closing hard on 50 or more. His experience is much more important at that point than any book learning from college is. (or, at least, it should be)
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Wrong.
G.W. Bush did release his college transcripts in the 2004 election cycle.
Wrong.
Bush declined to release them, and they were leaked to The New Yorker.
Seems like if Bush didn't allow the college to release them, and then they did - someone should've been in trouble.
On a side note, If I were running for president, I'd release my college transcripts. I have nothing to hide. It's just grades, classes taken, etc. The worst I have is a "W" - for "withdrew". Why? Because the prof told me one day "hey, today is the last day you can withdraw from this class and only have a "w" on your transcript. And truthfully, even if you get A's and B's from here on out, you won't get better than a D in this class." (calculus).
It took him a while to explain it all to me - as he didn't speak english very well - at all. He then explained the same thing to 4 other kids. We all withdrew..
At the end of the semester, the college told the prof - "you need to learn english" (plus, he had 2 thumbs on one hand.......dang, if the guy can't speak english, and has 2 thumbs on one hand - how was I supposed to learn anything?  )
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I'll ask again- you don't think Mitt Romney is despicable for not releasing his college transcripts, but you think Obama is? Do I have that right?
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I could not possibly care less about any candidate's college transcripts ..... especially if a candidate is closing hard on 50 or more. His experience is much more important at that point than any book learning from college is. (or, at least, it should be)
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so, if Romney does happen to win, then how are you going to fit him in your sig picture?
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And then he officially released them.
You said that no candidate ever released his records or transcripts. Bush did.
You are correct.
I should've clarified that no president or party-nominated candidate has ever released their college transcripts until after they'd already been leaked to the public.
Now, do you honestly think that he would've done so had they not been leaked?
No, he wouldn't, because there's nothing to gain from it. Willie is pretending that Obama is hiding some deep, dark secret, when what's closer to the truth is that candidates and presidents don't do so, because there's no real benefit to it. If I was a campaign adviser, I'd never let my candidate do so.
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so, if Romney does happen to win, then how are you going to fit him in your sig picture?
The guy does have a long, Elway-esque horse face, doesn't he? 
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Out of curiosity - if you were a campaign adviser, WHY would you NEVER let your candidate release his transcripts?
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Out of curiosity - if you were a campaign adviser, WHY would you NEVER let your candidate release his transcripts?
It would probably do more harm than good.
If you got a C in one class because you were partying spring semester of junior year, someone will pounce on it.
If one had straight A's and graduated top of their class, then, yeah, sure, I'd say go for it.
But people like that don't often get into politics. Who wants to be a puppet when you can pull the strings?
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It would probably do more harm than good.
If you got a C in one class because you were partying spring semester of junior year, someone will pounce on it.
If one had straight A's and graduated top of their class, then, yeah, sure, I'd say go for it.
But people like that don't often get into politics. Who wants to be a puppet when you can pull the strings?
First - people "pounce" on anything. Like "oh, you didn't release your transcripts - you're hiding something."
Second, like I said, I'd release mine in a heartbeat. And I'd be right upfront about the facts. "Yes, I withdrew from a calculus class. I wasn't a math major, and calculus was too tough for me. I couldn't cut it. I knew when to cut my loss. To all of you reporters - how many of you even TOOK a calculus class? To the American public, yes, I failed at calculus. And I promise, that if elected President, and I am faced with calculus problems, I will hire, at my own expense - an expert in calculus. However, what you might want to think about is, I've been honest. I was smart enough to exit myself from something I didn't get, and leave it to the "experts" in that department. I'm a leader. I make decisions based on what's good and right. Please look at my gpa, my grades in Pol. Science, History, Accounting, English, economics, etc.........I have nothing to hide."
I'd win the hearts and minds of millions for being upfront. "hey, calc. just wasn't my cup of tea folks. Sorry."
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"Yes, I withdrew from a calculus class. I wasn't a math major, and calculus was too tough for me. I couldn't cut it. I knew when to cut my loss. To all of you reporters - how many of you even TOOK a calculus class? To the American public, yes, I failed at calculus. And I promise, that if elected President, and I am faced with calculus problems, I will hire, at my own expense - an expert in calculus. However, what you might want to think about is, I've been honest. I was smart enough to exit myself from something I didn't get, and leave it to the "experts" in that department. I'm a leader.
"No, you're a quitter. See folks, unlike my opponent, I don't just give up when the going gets tough. And if elected, I won't merely pass the job off onto someone else. Leaders don't quit when the going gets tough. Leaders lead, and they don't take the easy way out at the first obstacle. My opponent couldn't handle calculus - how's he supposed to handle a 4 a.m. phone call informing him that the nation is under attack? Will he buckle under the pressure, and pass the buck? I know I won't."
The next morning those who oppose you will be calling you a quitter who wants to pass the tough stuff along to someone else, and the parrots will start squawking, and you'll spend the rest of your campaign denying that you're a quitter who wants to take the easy way out.
That's how it works.
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how would anyone know for certain? noone has ever tried that approach
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"And folks - I'm not one to pretend I'm an expert at anything and everything. If I get a phone call at 4 a.m. - and they need calculus help, I'll refer them to an expert on that. If the 4 a.m. phone call is about, say, an attack on an ambassador, or an embassy, I'll handle it just fine with my chiefs of staff. It won't take us weeks to take action, especially when we were able to watch the attack in real time. I will not ask a foreign nation to "give me until after the election......" I will lead - just as I did in getting out of the calculus class. See, citizens, I do not consider myself an expert on everything, and the neat thing about being president is, I don't have to be. The experts are here/there already - I just need to listen to them. As President, I am nothing more than a CEO. For example, the CEO of a hospital - does he do the surgeries? Does he do the diagnosing? No. He enables his team to do those. He puts good people in the places they need to be, and he allows them to do their jobs - while at the same time making sure what they "want" is actually a need." Thanks PDR - I just beat your candidate.  (and, I'm having fun with this, hope you are too.) It's the pre-emptive strike - put your weakness out before it becomes a liability.
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"My opponent is putting words in my mouth - claiming that I tout myself as an expert on anything and everything. That's simply not true. I never said that. What I did say is that when faced with a challenge, I don't just cut and run. I bet on myself. Instead of passing the buck to the experts, I want to sit down with the experts, and learn from them. If I was struggling with calculus, I wouldn't just quit and say 'I can't do this, you handle it'. I'd be in my professor's office, attempting to learn as much as I could. A leader doesn't have to know everything. But a leader has to try. True character is in the trying, and my opponent didn't try, he gave up. If I'm elected, I will do everything I can for the American people. I won't quit when the going gets tough, or outsource my duties. I will be there, working with them, learning from them, sleeves rolled up, trying as hard as I can to overcome the obstacles I once thought I couldn't."
Now, if we went through that whole dialogue, what would happen is that those who supported me would think that I bested you, and those who support you would think the other way around.
But, in the end, I doubt either campaign manager would've wanted us to go there in the first place. You don't want to spend weeks or months on the campaign trail arguing about a calculus class, which is what you and your spokespeople would be spending most of your time doing.
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The answer to your direct quote is "no... because they have not". Obama had those records sealed...which I find despicable.
Nevertheless, Trump is a goofball.
sealed from the Secret Service?
yeah, umm, good luck with that one
I was wondering I mean I understand you can keep things away from the public, but the Secret Service?
I'll tell you something else, I've had to go through the FBI investigation to get a DOD Secret Clearance a long time ago,, Keep in mind, I was in what is called a "non possessing' facility.. Meaning, where I worked, there weren't any secret documents, but because I had access at a particular client, I had to have one.
And let me tell you this, once they completed that background investigation, they knew the size of my feet.. (kidding, it wasn't that bad, but it felt like it)
I had to list as many friends, with addresses and phone numbers as I possibly going all the way back to High School..
That's what the FBI dug though and I was not trying to run for President.
So while I can see people being able to get records sealed from public view, I don't see how there is any way you can stop the FBI or CIA or Secret Service.
Which by the way is why I wasn't concerned about the Birther movement,, I kinda figured that those were just a bunch of nutjobs stirring up trouble
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i went for an internship with the CIA (electronic communications engineering) and during the interview process they asked me about a toilet-papering episode that I did with some friends when I was in 8th grade (I was a sophomore in college).
heck, I didn't even remember it when they first asked until they said which house. it was like, "oh yeah, he was my best friend and he got me, so I got him back" crazy how far they'll dig.
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how would anyone know for certain? noone has ever tried that approach
Actually ..... 100% honesty in politics ..... or even 50%, would be horribly disruptive to a campaign.
I was watching TV late one night recently, and ran across some special, I think on Fox, with some campaign big wigs of the past. They showed how easy it is to take one entirely innocent answer to a rather innocuous question, and turn it into a negative commercial that makes the candidate look like a complete idiot.
Hell, look at how every gaffe and misspoken word a candidate makes becomes fodder for his opponent. Once a guy gets to the point of being his Party's nominee, he has been campaigning for months and months already. Then he gets to go on to 12-15 hour days He talks to everyone and anyone who might be able to get his message out. Imagine the impact if he goes "off message" for just 5% of those speeches and/or interviews. Then he gets painted as incompetent, stupid, and incapable of being Mayor of McDonald Land, let alone the President of the US. These guys make 5-20 major mistakes, even doing the standard stump speeches. Exhaustion will do that to a candidate as much as anything else ........ so imagine putting a guy coming off 4 days of 5 rally days .... and a debate. Now imagine him being undisciplined and going off the ranch with his answers. He could be talked into saying damn near anything. That happened a lot to Palin last time around. She didn't have that long term politician discipline to stay on message 100% of the time.
I would love to see an honest politician, who truly answered questions put to him ..... but that guy would never get elected.
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I'll ask again- you don't think Mitt Romney is despicable for not releasing his college transcripts, but you think Obama is? Do I have that right?
I searched for about 3 minutes and found Romney's undergrad GPA and MBA class rank.
Try a search on Obama's college info and you will get a lot more questions that make you interested in his college info.
There is little to no interest in Romney's college info because he has a history of success in BUSINESS. His 'claim to fame' is not his education/intelligence. It's important to see how he performed in BUSINESS since that is his "thing". He did very well. Bain Capital has been fair game to his background and his tax return told us what we already knew...and that Harry Reid was lying.
Obama has only a short stint as a state congressman and community organizer to his credit - and a few stints as an intern. He was supposed to be the most intelligent POTUS of a lifetime. Therefore, it's important to know how he did in academia since that was his "thing".
Obama was elected - in part - due to his promise for transparency. His administration has been far from transparent - and this is yet another example...and in an area that is supposed to be his greatest strength.
If Romney's college info - beyond GPA and class rank that we already know - were important to seeing how he performed in his area of expertise, I'd say that it would be despicable for him to NOT release that college info.
The bottom line is that no one cares about Romney's college info....yet Obama's college info is clearly a point of interest to many people. The transparent candidate should freely provide that info.
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I would release mine, but I would be embarrassed that I blew my 4.0 on the last class that I had taken for "Urban Studies". Cleveland State at the time, and probably still does, made one take two "Urban Studies" classes so as to make more money, errrrr, make one a more rounded individual. How a class in "African Art" did that for me and contributed to an IT degree, I have no clue. But I did get an "A" in that one!
It was the last class at CSU where I blew it, I guess. All the lady did was show movies day after day after day. At the hour break, two girls and I would bail and go to the bar across the street. I got "A"s on the tests and the one paper we had to write. I had to have received a "D" on my final to screw it up (based on her grading syllabus) or she took attendance after the first hour and put the screws to me. I'm sure I wasn't the only one to bail.
So I would probably be spun into a bar hopping drunk racist in a Presidential bid for skipping the 2nd hours of "The African-American Experience" and getting my worse grade.
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Has anybody even asked to see Romney's, and if so, has he declined to release them?
If the answer is not an all around "yes", then this is a very silly question that you are asking.
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Has anybody even asked to see Romney's, and if so, has he declined to release them?
If the answer is not an all around "yes", then this is a very silly question that you are asking.
Hardly.
Willie is painting it that there is this major controversy around Obama's transcripts, but not Romney's. This presupposes it's a genuine concern, like the whole nation really wants to know - but it's not. It was born out of the same group who thought he wasn't a citizen, or think he's some radical communist, etc., etc. - the kind of dim folks who lap up the whole Limbaugh mentality.
It's the same thing when people clamored to see his birth certificate. It wasn't worth it. He released it, and people still think it was a forgery or a fake or not enough evidence. In the end, heeding the calls to release them only give credence to these types of people. He shouldn't have released his birth certificate, and he shouldn't release his college records, IMO.
When people wanted to see Romney's tax returns - which I also thought was a bit of a 'who cares?' proposition - the same folks who demand to see Obama's college records thought Romney shouldn't have to do so, and they were right in that regard.
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Don't care who you're going to vote for -- that's funny.
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