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They require food, amenities, things to build with.
That kind of covers every populated region in the world.
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If thats how you really feel, then please dont send support. Nothing worse than getting help from someone who thinks that just because it's a "regional problem" doesn't mean it's not something that they shouldn't try to help out with. Do you sigh and mutter to yourself as you read out your credit card to them? I mean, god forbid people in trouble ask you, person who lives 800 miles away, for help ...
Nothing worse? Are you serious? He's sending money to help people in need, DESPITE not feeling that it's a national emergency. That my friend is honorable, not insult worthy.
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They require food, amenities, things to build with.
That kind of covers every populated region in the world.
My point was the disruption of their lack of consumption of those things to the rest of the US. Can you name another place in the US that would be as disruptive as NYC shutting down for almost a week? There isn't. Thats part of the reason that this hurricane is so much worse monetarily than any other cat 1 storm to hit the mainland.
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Thats part of the reason that this hurricane is so much worse monetarily than any other cat 1 storm to hit the mainland.
The problem isn't that it hit New York.. the problem is the series of weather events that caused the flooding not normally associated with a simple cat 1 hurricane... not unlike Katrina, the biggest problem wasn't the hurricane itself, the problem was the levys...
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They require food, amenities, things to build with.
That kind of covers every populated region in the world.
My point was the disruption of their lack of consumption of those things to the rest of the US. Can you name another place in the US that would be as disruptive as NYC shutting down for almost a week? There isn't. Thats part of the reason that this hurricane is so much worse monetarily than any other cat 1 storm to hit the mainland.
Well, can you name a city, county, state, region, country that doesn't require food, amenities and things to build with? The 3 things you claimed they required. "Required" being the keyword.
Peen never said he had an issue helping, he said it is not a "national" emergency rather it is a "regional" emergency, and that he would still send his assistance regardless that it doesn't directly affect him, because he is that kind of person that will help others even far awy and unknown to him personally.
But you found the most negative way to take his comment and jumped on it.
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If thats how you really feel, then please dont send support. Nothing worse than getting help from someone who thinks that just because it's a "regional problem" doesn't mean it's not something that they shouldn't try to help out with. Do you sigh and mutter to yourself as you read out your credit card to them? I mean, god forbid people in trouble ask you, person who lives 800 miles away, for help ...
Nothing worse? Are you serious? He's sending money to help people in need, DESPITE not feeling that it's a national emergency. That my friend is honorable, not insult worthy.
Absolutely serious. I'm not going to commend a guy for saying "here's some money, even if i don't believe it's necessary." The cliche "It's the thought that counts" comes to mind. Aid given with sighs and muttering shouldn't be given at all. I'd rather starve than have someone feel like I should be grateful to them for what they feel is a forced gift. You don't want to help? Then don't. Trust me, you'll feel better and so will the other people.
I mean, lets put it a different way. When someone in your immediate family dies, it's often customary for those farther removed from the death to supply dinners, lunch, etc over the days of the wake and funeral. A stranger comes to your door during this time, bearing a gift of food. However, they complain about how it's not really their problem your family member died, and making this kind of inconvenienced them, but here's some help. You consider that honorable? I consider that to be disrespectful.
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Thats part of the reason that this hurricane is so much worse monetarily than any other cat 1 storm to hit the mainland.
The problem isn't that it hit New York.. the problem is the series of weather events that caused the flooding not normally associated with a simple cat 1 hurricane... not unlike Katrina, the biggest problem wasn't the hurricane itself, the problem was the levys...
Key point, costliest cat 1 storm on record. You can't disregard the geography of where it hit, because where it hit is the reason it was so costly. Yes the levy's are from the 1800's, i'm not denying that. But it wouldn't be nearly as costly if it hit somewhere like the carolinas where levy's are probably in the same state of disrepair.
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Well, can you name a city, county, state, region, country that doesn't require food, amenities and things to build with? The 3 things you claimed they required. "Required" being the keyword.
Going to try explaining this again since you're building a strawman of my argument. The place affected by the hurricane is the highest concentration of people in the united states. They require more of these necessities per unit area than anywhere else in the united states. So, shipments of these things that come from around the country than can't get into the city have to be rerouted to other places, or resold in order for companies to make their money back. In many cases they can't, so they lose money. Companies from across the country, especially shipping companies, will lose more money this time because it's NYC we're talking about here, not somewhere else along coast. So, the fact that peen is playing semantics about how we should call this a regional emergency instead of a national one, is simply wrong. I mean, California has had bucket trucks and electrical supplies airlifted to NYC to help get everything back in order faster. The economic effects of hurricane Sandy are what the rest of the country will experience, if not the meteorological.
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When someone in your immediate family dies, it's often customary for those farther removed from the death to supply dinners, lunch, etc over the days of the wake and funeral. A stranger comes to your door during this time, bearing a gift of food.However, they complain about how it's not really their problem your family member died, and making this kind of inconvenienced them, but here's some help. You consider that honorable? I consider that to be disrespectful.
If someone I didn't know inconvenienced themselves because they recognized I was in need, I would be appreciative and thank them for taking the time and effort it took to help me meet that need. I wouldn't disrespect them by insulting them and telling them to shove it. And yes, I would consider it an honorable act.
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I'm not going to commend a guy for saying "here's some money, even if i don't believe it's necessary."
I don't get into the semantics game, but Peen neither said nor implied that it wasn't NECESSARY. He said it wasn't a national emergency... how you got not necessary out of that is on you.
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Key point, costliest cat 1 storm on record.
Costliest is a fairly irrelevant statistic... these storms continue to get more costly simply by virtue of people building on the coast... if there was nothing there to destroy, then a cat 5 plowing into the northeast coast would cost nothing. My point wasn't about the damage, it was about the severity of the storm itself..
And the carolinas don't really have a lot of levys, and the ones we do have hold back relatively small streams.. we are smarter than the french, we opt to live above sea level.
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I just got power back. Came online to see whats up. I am a little disappointing at the tone of some of the talk. Things are pretty screwed up here. This is a huge mess. I am one of the lucky ones just had power off for 4 days.
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Baddog, Hope all is well. And I don't know how much time you have spent looking at the weather, but there is another healthy nor'easter coming in the 11/7-11/9 timeframe. We help a disaster reconstruction expert with rebuilding costs and were asked on Thursday morning to go to NYC this Sunday but are now not going for a week or so. Can't even get to where we need to go.
DC, this storm had greater energy than Katrina that affected an area the size of Europe. The storm surge in NYC was 2-3 ft higher than any other storm on record. In the end, this will push Andrew for the costliest hurricane.
And NYC because of the global warming sea rise thing has already had scientists working on effects of a global sea rise affecting the vast array of underground utilities, subways, tunnels.
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I was reading an article the other day about the switch of ocean temperatures from Atlantic to Pacific in the 50s or so .... and now it's switching back to the Atlantic. I wish I could remember where I read it, because it laid our a substantial case for natural processes being a driving factor as to why we are seeing more East Coast storms these days.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I tend to really go with roughly what I can recall what Mayor Bloomberg and Gov. Cuomo said and that is "it doesn't really matter if it is man made or cyclical, but something is happening and it affects us."
Also, working in this area the last few years on the disaster reconstruction and seeing aerial pictures of areas around Katrina and on the street pictures of Joplin and in Alabama where the tornadoes hit-These were just massive super destructive storms- the pictures are unreal-100 year events happening in different areas every couple of years. We won't know what it is until we are dead.
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we just got our power back on... i cannot tell you how happy I am to have heat and take a hot shower again. I feel for all the people that are still without it. I hope they get it soon.
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