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So when you bribe someone to change the laws so you can take advantage of it, then you are just a guilty as anyone else.
good luck proving that one. if there was any real proof, then this would be a HUGE national story (I would hope).
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Did you watch the Documentary?
Nope, that's why I'm asking questions. I'm curious what crimes people committed to warrant being locked up.
Oh for cryin out loud,, go watch it then come and ask me.. It will explain it better than I can.. You'll get it.. I know you will
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You guys are onto this documentary just now? A good 2 years too late but oh well, better than never I guess....nice try Daman, but you won't get the folks on here with the political blinders on (board's filled with them) to discuss anything about the topic and the consequences for people (around the world) While we're wasting intellectual energy, read this US of A...if you can handle it: http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/social-policy-and-poverty-dont-fear-europe
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Read it. Largely a lot of Socialist crap.
We know what public policies reduce poverty? What we know is how to hand out freebies until the money runs out, and in fact, far beyond that point.
He uses EUROPE as an example? REALLY? Actually, he points to their diversity being somewhat like ours. BUT, when he actually has to point out SUCCESSFUL European countries, he points to Germany, Switzerland, Benelux and Nordic countries. All germanic; the folks that pretty much invented what came to be called the "protestant work ethic". Wonder what percentage of citizens they have that can't speak the native language? SFAIK, these countries' populations are not all that "diverse".
Occupy Wall Street highlighted income inequality? To me, it highlighted economic stupidity and the rise of Marxism among college-age youth. "Health care should be free, college should be free, food should be free, etc."
The bailout should never have happened. AIG, Lehman, BofA, all should have been allowed to fail. They earned it. What we did was to reward them for failure, by allowing our government to decide what to do with our money. This concept is at the root of the problem, too many people were asleep at the switch while Somebody Else was spending THEIR money.
Yes, the big banks were selling crap products, but Somebody was buying them, likely for your pension fund.
If you have been paying taxes for 20 years or so, you personally own a piece of a statue of the Madonna and Child, hand-crafted out of elephant poop.
Both of these last two issues are what you get when one group of people decides it has the right to spend money that they themselves did not earn, by taking it from those that did earn it.
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You guys are onto this documentary just now? A good 2 years too late but oh well, better than never I guess....nice try Daman, but you won't get the folks on here with the political blinders on (board's filled with them) to discuss anything about the topic and the consequences for people (around the world)
While we're wasting intellectual energy, read this US of A...if you can handle it:
http://www.dissentmagazine.org/online_articles/social-policy-and-poverty-dont-fear-europe
I really don't have an objection to people not getting it if they haven't taken the time to watch the show. I do however take objection to commenting on it in a protective way for conservatives WITHOUT having seen it.
That bothers me a little.
Ytown having not seen it was already starting on me.. OK,, I get it, he wanted a boiled down version. Well, that would have sparked a Deadbate that I wanted no part of. Then he watched part of it and all he seemed to do was lay it all on Barney Frank. Who, without a doubt is complicate in the mess.. Can't and won't deny it. (PS: Frank is someone I've never cared for)
How anyone can walk away after watching this documentary without the feeling that our entire politcal machine let us down is something I just can't fathom.,
I'm not talking the Reds let us down, or the Blues let us down, I'm talking the whole shebang let us down.
Anytime you deregulate an industry, the first thing you have to guard against is abuse of the relaxed rules. Our politicians and financial whiz kids in DC didn't do thier freakin jobs.. And here we are.
I'm not blaming republicans for this, nor am I blaming Democrats for this,, I blame them both. Equally.
starting with Reagan to Bush (HW) to Clinton to Bush and yes, Obama. He was a senator when this stuff was happening,,, he didn't do anything either. Now he's president and instead of tightening the belt and making folks accountable, he wastes everyone time forcing Obamacare down our throats and it's really not an answer to the real problem. (well, part of it's pretty good, but most is garbage) So he carries blame as well.
There are no shields for any of these jokers.
SO then what do I hear when I say they are as bad as Bin Laden? I hear it's not so. That was from DC.. (A guy who I highly respect I might add) I asked if he watched the program, and he hadn't.
I want him to come back to me afterwards and tell me it's all the Dems fault.. This I gotta hear. I want him and others to try and convince me that we weren't completely let down by our elected officials. Every one of them.
What I'm going to get instead of outrage, is more damn finger pointing. That's all I'm gonna see.
People that yell all day about accountability don't seem to want to hold those they deem fit and as being best suited to lead this nation accountable. It's ALWAYS one sided.
What a shame
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You obviously didn't read the freakin' novel I wrote after the initial comments about Frank.
"All" I said was stuff about Frank? Really? Go back and re-read. I wrote a hell of a lot. You just didn't see it for some reason.
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The author is a woman and you obviously don't know crap about Europe and its diversity, lol Other than that you aced the article 
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You obviously didn't read the freakin' novel I wrote after the initial comments about Frank.
"All" I said was stuff about Frank? Really? Go back and re-read. I wrote a hell of a lot. You just didn't see it for some reason.
No I didn't see it and for that I apoligize.
I'll try and find time to do just that. But geez man,, you know damn well, the first thing you did was try to discredit it, then watched part of it and immediatly it was Barney Franks fault...
So yeah, excuse me for developing an opinion of your opinion based on what you wrote.
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The Frank comment was based on what I had seen to that point. He really ticked me off because he was pretending like he had nothing to do with the entire sub-prime market .... when he pushed the mess that created the disaster.
It just really irritated me when he, specifically, played the "Oh, I had nothing to do with that ... but look at all of the bad people in government who did ..........."
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IF, repeat IF, I had made some comment about EUROPE's diversity, I would understand your comment better. I didn't, so I don't.
The author's gender has little or nothing to do with anything I said.
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Aside from your comments on other posters, that was the most beautiful post I've ever seen from anyone on this board except myself of course. 
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I am worried we'll go the route of Europe. Pretty soon everyone here will want to work 3 hrs a day, one day a week.
Blue ostriches on crack float on milkshakes between the sidewalk titans of gurglefitz. --YTown
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I am worried we'll go the route of Europe. Pretty soon everyone here will want to work 3 hrs a day, one day a week.
Exaggerate much?
Besides, EVERYONE wants THAT. It's obviously not achievable for 99% of america.
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I am worried we'll go the route of Europe. Pretty soon everyone here will want to work 3 hrs a day, one day a week.
Exaggerate much?
Besides, EVERYONE wants THAT. It's obviously not achievable for 99% of america.
Well if they are going to expect me to pay for those that don't want to work hard, then I don't want to work hard either. How well would a system work where everyone did the bare minimum?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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Aside from your comments on other posters, that was the most beautiful post I've ever seen from anyone on this board except myself of course.
Not sure what you liked about it, I look back on it and can say, I meant every word of it. Even the parts about the other posters. Ytown and I don't always get along, but DC and I seem to and I have a ton of respect for him.. But he did do what I said he did (I may not have worded it well, but I was correct)
I get accused of not reading the entire post before jumping to conclusions and to be honest, that's a fair assessment. I do do that from time to time. So if it's ok for someone to knock me for it (and it is) it's also ok for me to knock someone else.
But I guess you were complimenting me so I'll just say thank you 
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I am worried we'll go the route of Europe. Pretty soon everyone here will want to work 3 hrs a day, one day a week.
Exaggerate much?
Besides, EVERYONE wants THAT. It's obviously not achievable for 99% of america.
If you couldn't understand that was tongue-in-cheek, then I should just stop here.
Everyone does not want that. My pops is 79 and he still works 40+ hours a week. He could have easily retired. Unfortunately, his type of work ethic is not valued in this country anymore. Lots of people are hard-working and industrious. You can see how much it bothers people to not have that type of function in their lives.
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True, if you're doing what you love and it's meaningful, yes working all your life for 40+ hours is nice. For most people, it's what pays the bills.
If I could live off of capital gains like Mitt Romney, I'd dedicate my life to helping others too.
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Did you watch the Documentary?
Nope, that's why I'm asking questions. I'm curious what crimes people committed to warrant being locked up.
No, what you are asking is for the cliff notes version and that will do you no good.
If you wanna know, view the documentary.. it will become very very clear. You won't need me to tell you.
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Correct.
Too often - most often, a certain segment of society wants to blame and prosecute, or tax to hell, people that are doing nothing but following the laws but succeed at doing it.
If the problem is people/businesses following the laws, and tax codes, and it benefits them - people want to prosecute them. They never look at congress - the organization that passes the laws.
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Correct, no laws were broken. However, if you could prove that a politician was paid to get something changed to favor said companies (pretty hard to do), yes there could be laws being broken. That will never happen.
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And the one guy near the end who opined that we should prosecute, even though it would be almost impossible to convict anyone on anything, was ridiculous. Let's waste even more money on this disaster.
Congress and the President can't even manage to get within a trillion dollars of balancing the damn budget ...... and we expect them to do a respectable of managing to regulate a $15 trillion economy?
I absolutely loathe the entire concept of "too big to fail". Bull. Let some fail. We pay for them anyway ...... so let them fail, break them up into smaller pieces, and start over. It's doomed to happen some day anyway, All that's happening right now is that banks are buying up smaller banks ...... then buying up more ......
In the midst of this whole meltdown, PNC actually used taxpayer dollars to buy NCB during this meltdown. Appalling. That's why I was dead set against the whole bailout mess. It might have stalled the economy temporarily if we had let some of the banks fail, but we've been stalled for years now anyway. We let Lehman Brothers fail. What if another bank had failed? After the bank failures, we could have broken up the pieces, probably dumped a biunch of taxpayer money into stabilizing the rest of the mess, (which we wound up doing anyway), and made sure that we actually fixed the problem of banks being "too big to fail", instead of kicking the can down the road, and helping banks become even bigger.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Did they not destroy lives? did they not rip off the federal government? Is that not threft by deception?
Is that legal,
You have your take, I have mine and I disagree with you 1000000%
They belong in jail
or worse
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Did they not destroy lives? did they not rip off the federal government? Is that not threft by deception?
Is that legal,
You have your take, I have mine and I disagree with you 1000000%
They belong in jail
or worse
The problem is that they did it by the rules our government put forth. They did nothing illegal.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Did they not destroy lives? did they not rip off the federal government? Is that not threft by deception?
Is that legal,
You have your take, I have mine and I disagree with you 1000000%
They belong in jail
or worse
The problem is that they did it by the rules our government put forth. They did nothing illegal.
wow
Just wow
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I did watch it.
What laws were broken? There were bad laws, and people stretching bad law to their limits, but never breaking them. If you don't break laws, then you don't go to jail.
Did they not destroy lives? did they not rip off the federal government? Is that not threft by deception?
Is that legal,
You have your take, I have mine and I disagree with you 1000000%
They belong in jail
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The problem is that they did it by the rules our government put forth. They did nothing illegal.
wow
Just wow
Wow nothing.
They followed the letter of the law precisely. They did nothing outside of the law. That means that while they may have been as ethically bankrupt as any entity in the history of mankind, they did nothing for which they could be prosecuted. Nuisance cases could be brought against top members of leadership of the various entities involved, but that's all it would be, a nuisance. It would tie their lawyer up for a short period of time, but without proof of laws being broken, there would be nothing else they could do ..... and it would wind up costing the taxpayers a lot of money in attempting to prosecute a case where no actual laws were broken.
The best thing to do would be to change the laws involved, and break up these "too large to fail" entities into smaller groups in the interest of the United States. I'm sure that could be done if there was political will to do so. The bank/investment house failures cost the American people a lot of money, but as investors, and as taxpayers bailing them out. Since the banks used the bailout monies to further incorporate towards monopoly positions, a case could probably be made, as was made against Ma bell back in the day, that these monopoly, or near monopoly positions create undue risk to the taxpayers and the American people in general, and thus must be broken up. I'm not an antitrust expert, but that would seem to be a path to, at the very least, look at and consider.
At least, if there was the political will to do so.
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Wow what? Tell me what laws they broke?
Do I agree with what they did? No, but what are you going to prosecute on?
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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they don't deserve to be jailed, because prison is a punishment of the government, and they *probably* skirted government laws.
however, they do deserve to be dragged into the streets and torn apart by the masses they stole from.
Browns fans are born with it...
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