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Saying the line is improved and good enough is NOT admitting the run blocking has been bad.  .
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Man, I love not having to go over to my in-law's for dinner!  Best Turkey day I've had in years.
I wanted to see what the coaches had to say about Richardson. Turns out there's stuff that everyone probably needs to read.
Whatever we may think about Chilly, he always tells it like he sees it. There's no sugar-coating with him. As proof, here's one of the things he said about Richardson after last weeks game:
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(On Richardson getting stopped four time for no gain in the second half and if he saw any consistency in those plays) – “No. I think they were all probably different kinds of plays and they were at different spots on the field. There were a couple of zero gains out there. Matter of fact, I was just sitting there going through that tape. I always like to look at it with a clean eye a couple days away. All different kinds of plays. His eyes could have been in a couple different spots that maybe would have been advantageous for him, but by in large, he’s usually going to do pretty well with those.”
He then goes on to say that they are going to continue to coach him so that his eyes are looking for the right holes. Okay, so they are coaching him up and he's not ready to compete with Peterson yet. He's a rookie. Such is life.
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(On if there is conversation going on with Richardson about the way he hits the hole and to change that) – “No, I just think that’s the pace Tony (Grossi). Both of those guys have a different pace to the hole. We talked about smooth to the hole, speed through the hole. They have a different pace and I think I mentioned it here before, Barry Alvarez taught me a long time ago that it’s a great thing to have two running backs that give you a different pace. A defense kind of screws its cleats into the ground one way for one guy and all of a sudden a guy that’s a change of pace guy comes in. We don’t wish that they’re all the same. Their pace and their tempo is their tempo. Are we coaching the same things, yeah, but their skill set is their skill set. Montario (Hardesty) gives you a little different tempo when he comes into the game.”
(On there not being a coaching point there to have Richardson quit dancing) – “No, if it’s with merit. If there’s something that you want him to be more spot on in the hole then you’re going to speak about that. I wouldn’t say that fundamentally about him.”
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Weekly Update: Passing: 3/5 yds, 5/5 YPA, 5/5 %, 4/5 TDs, t-4/4 INT, 5/5 Rate Code:
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7 Andrew Luck, QB IND 255 449 56.8 3,205 7.14 48 13 13 26 76.7 291
17 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 206 305 67.5 2,504 8.21 88 16 4 26 104.6 228
18 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 222 397 55.9 2,456 6.19 71 12 13 20 70.9 223
20 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 197 334 59 2,373 7.11 80 7 12 20 72.9 216
26 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 178 280 63.6 2,051 7.33 51 17 8 21 93.9 186
37 Nick Foles, QB PHI 59 99 59.6 542 5.48 44 1 3 7 65.3 181
39 Ryan Lindley, QB ARI 40 72 55.6 376 5.22 28 0 4 5 47 188
Rushing: 3rd yards, 3rd YPG, t-6/6 YPA, t-2nd TDs, t-5/7 FUM, 5th 1stDn Code:
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4 Doug Martin, RB TB 218 1,050 4.8 70 9 9 95.5 1 42
5 Alfred Morris, RB WSH 208 982 4.7 39 6 6 89.3 2 48
13 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 209 755 3.6 32 2 6 68.6 3 23
21 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 99 642 6.5 76 5 6 58.4 7 33
26 Daryl Richardson, RB STL 82 451 5.5 53 4 0 41 2 18
29 Vick Ballard, RB IND 118 427 3.6 26 2 0 38.8 2 26
40 Bryce Brown, RB PHI 51 319 6.3 65 3 2 29 3 18
Receiving: Gordon 2nd yds, 2/9 AVG, t-1st TDs, 3rd YPG, 2nd YAC (WR), 3rd 1stDn Richardson 2nd yds (RB), 2/2 AVG (RB), t-1st TD (RB), 1st YAC (all), 1st 1stDn (RB) Code:
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49 Justin Blackmon, WR JAC 38 79 548 14.4 3 81 6 49.8 0 56 27
52 Josh Gordon, WR CLE 28 58 530 18.9 4 71 9 48.2 0 143 23
61 T.Y. Hilton, WR IND 33 57 488 14.8 5 43 8 48.8 0 121 18
63 Chris Givens, WR STL 22 45 467 21.2 3 65 8 46.7 0 134 14
69 Kendall Wright, WR TEN 48 78 438 9.1 4 35 4 39.8 1 178 29
82 Dwayne Allen, TE IND 34 49 385 11.3 2 27 7 35 1 133 22
96 Doug Martin, RB TB 29 43 332 11.4 1 64 3 30.2 0 274 11
104 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 41 55 316 7.7 1 27 4 28.7 0 290 16
106 Ryan Broyles, WR DET 21 31 307 14.6 2 40 5 34.1 0 58 16
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I think it's interesting that Luck, Weeden and Tannehill are putting up very similar numbers across most statistical categories.
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I think it is interesting that Weeden & Luck's numbers are almost identical across the board (minus attempts & completions), and both have two rookie WR's and a rookie RB in the top lists.
Yet, their record is better than ours. It really makes ya go "hmmmmm....." about all of those close games that we've had. It clearly isn't the QB making the sole difference because the numbers are the same.... so, what is it (aside from them squeaking one out against us)?
Had we beaten them, we'd be 4-7 and they'd be 6-5. Two games difference... one of which was a gift from replacement Refs.
So, we're down to a one game difference... pick any one of our close games and have our defense make the play that was needed.
Browns is the Browns
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Nice cherry-picking and manipulation 
I know you disregarded the QBR stuff, but I'm curious what Luck's QBR is compared to Weeden's...
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I think it is interesting that Weeden & Luck's numbers are almost identical across the board (minus attempts & completions), and both have two rookie WR's and a rookie RB in the top lists.
Yet, their record is better than ours. It really makes ya go "hmmmmm....." about all of those close games that we've had.
The Colts opponents have a winning percentage of 43.8.. the Browns opponents have a winning percentage of 54.5
I think the single biggest reason that everybody is talking about Luck and not Weeden is because Luck has a come from behind victory or two and Weeden doesn't.... well that and trying to justify preseason hype... I think Weeden has played pretty well, the only two things that bother me is that he is NOT taking shots down the field like he was earlier and he hasn't had that signature 2 minute drill drive to win a game....
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I just looked on ESPN and they are actually close 29 Andrew Luck, QB IND 255 449 56.8 3,205 7.14 48 13 13 26 76.7 291 30 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 194 350 55.4 2,339 6.68 66 12 10 26 75.6 213 RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G 31 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 197 334 59.0 2,373 7.11 80 7 12 20 72.9 216 32 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 222 397 55.9 2,456 6.19 71 12 13 20 70.9 223 Link His rating of 78.7 against Pittsburgh is pretty decent. Of note he also had a rating of 93.7 against Dallas.
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you mean the stat that makes his game against GB look better because he struggled for 3.5 quarters but pulled out a late drive for the win
as if the early struggles do not matter or affect the game nearly as much.
TDs scored early count as 6pts the same as those scored late the last I checked.
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I think Weeden has played pretty well, the only two things that bother me is that he is NOT taking shots down the field like he was earlier and he hasn't had that signature 2 minute drill drive to win a game....
I've noticed this also. I wonder if it's Defenses are catching on to Gordon, or Shurmur losing confidence, or with Travis Benjamin coming back from injury?
Those deep balls to Gordon were a thing of beauty, and that is when Weeden's and Gordon's praise & production seemed to be at an season high.
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Nice cherry-picking and manipulation
I know you disregarded the QBR stuff, but I'm curious what Luck's QBR is compared to Weeden's...
There's no cherry picking or manipulating there at all - that is all just simple direct comparison and wondering.
Being that QBR is a completely subjective number that takes into account whether or not your team won the game, it's going to be lower for Weeden simply by virtue of the Browns having a worse record. Hence, just one reason why it is a completely garbage fabrication of a number.
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I think it is interesting that Weeden & Luck's numbers are almost identical across the board (minus attempts & completions), and both have two rookie WR's and a rookie RB in the top lists.
Yet, their record is better than ours. It really makes ya go "hmmmmm....." about all of those close games that we've had.
The Colts opponents have a winning percentage of 43.8.. the Browns opponents have a winning percentage of 54.5
I think the single biggest reason that everybody is talking about Luck and not Weeden is because Luck has a come from behind victory or two and Weeden doesn't.... well that and trying to justify preseason hype... I think Weeden has played pretty well, the only two things that bother me is that he is NOT taking shots down the field like he was earlier and he hasn't had that signature 2 minute drill drive to win a game....
There was a stretch of play where he was CONSTANTLY taking shots down the field while ignoring the open underneath stuff. I suspect that the coaches are trying to get him to see the whole field rather than constantly trying to hit a home run on every pass play like he was. I'd like to see more big plays, too. I really want to see growth and consistency more.
As for "signature 2 minute drill drive to win a game"... for one, I think that's overrated as hell, and I think the very notion of its value is more fostered by sports talk bobbleheads, than anything. If your team is doing what it needs to do all game, then it is needless. If your team hasn't been doing what it should be, then they need it - but, it is a team effort required. A QB does NOT ever do it by themselves. See Gordon running into the light/shadow against Colts, or whatever other near-miss comeback we've had foiled by a WR not making a catch.
Browns is the Browns
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Another thing to consider when looking at Weeden's stats is that the YPA are generally lower for young WCO QBs Let's look at Bradford's rookie stats, will we? Same coach, same Offense, both 1st rounders...I think that is a fair comp isn't it? 354/590, 60%, 3,512yds, 18 TDs, 15 INTs, QBR 76.5, 7 fumbles, 2 lost If you excuse Weeden's 1st game he's pretty much the same player and he didn't have the luxury to play his games in a dome (SD game comes to mind, but another 2-4 rain games)....Bradford's rook season was widely considered a success as those numbers ARE pretty good for a rook QB....yet here we are with half the board wanting to replace Weeden after 1 season  I think the fact that this QB class was incredibly good and deep is making people forget that Weeden has a pretty good rook season going
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I think the fact that this QB class was incredibly good and deep is making people forget that Weeden has a pretty good rook season going
And they are completely ignoring that he is playing every bit as well as Andrew Luck, at that!
But, Luck & RGIII get all the love, and Weeden gets blasted by the media (for having the same numbers as Luck) - so, Weeden obviously sucks.
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As for "4th Qtr heroics"
Weeden has delievered late 4th Qtr TD throws vs DAL, Indy and 1st BAL games...2 have been dropped and/or the D later faltered....that's not on him at all, right? I think his QBR is over 80 without his nervous 1st game and the SD "weather" game
I hate how people act and say you can evaluate EVERY PLAYER on their own play and then turn around and cite the final score as reason for a single player's failing...hypocrisy yet again at work...and with Weeds there's a lot of resentment for very different reasons
Yet, nobody (but me, lol) seems to jump at TRich for having a FULL YARD lower ydpc than Morris or Martin....1yd per run difference at RB is like 20 points of QBR for QBs...can you even imagine this board if Weeden had 20 less in average to the group of the other rooks? Yet TRich is "just fine" and "leader" and a "beast"...Weeds otoh is a "loser", "inconsistent" and "whiner"....baffling
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you mean the stat that makes his game against GB look better because he struggled for 3.5 quarters but pulled out a late drive for the win
as if the early struggles do not matter or affect the game nearly as much.
In the first half he was 16 of 26 for 174 yards, 0 TD, 0 INTs for a QB rating of 81... that's not struggling, its just failing to put the ball in the endzone.. they had 1 FG and 1 missed FG...
In the 3rd quarter, he had a TD drive of 29 yards after an INT, a FG drive of 38 yards and a TD drive of 58 yards... 3 possessions, 2 TDs and a FG.. but he struggled through the 3rd quarter?
Then by the middle of the 4th quarter he had added another FG.. so in 3.5 quarters he had thrown for 239 yards, thrown 1 TD, 1 INT, and ran for a TD and had scored 22 points...... struggled you say?
Then in the final game winning drive he converted a 3rd and 9, a 3rd and 12, a 3rd and 7.... en route to the TD..
Then, lest we forget, the Packers actually got back into FG range to win it in the final 35 seconds and missed the kick.. that is what separates us from the Colts in the W/L columns is they have made just a couple more plays and gotten a couple more breaks...
If Weeden played that exact game, especially against a playoff caliber team, it would be hailed as a phenomenal effort.. and probably rightfully so.
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No it wouldn't. He would get called "lucky that the other team shanked a 'chip-shot' field goal. And don't even get me started on all the INTs the other team dropped."
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Some would probably do that...
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Update: This week, the Washington Redskins became the first team in NFL history to field a 2,000 yard rookie passer (RGIII) and a 1,000 yard rookie runner (Alfred Morris.) If Trent Richardson can hit 1,000 yards rushing before RGIII gets 3,000 yards, the Browns will be the first team in NFL history with a 3,000 yard rookie passer and 1,000 yard rookie rusher. If Josh Gordon can average 89 yards per game until the end of the season, the Browns will almost certainly have a 3,500 yard rookie passer, a 1,000 yard rookie rusher, and a 1,000 yard rookie receiver. Obviously, that would be an NFL first, as well. If RGIII can average 72 yards rushing per game the rest of the season, the Redskins will have a rookie 3,000 yard passer and two (!) rookie 1,000 yard rushers. On to the stats... Passing: Weeden 2nd in passing yards, 5th/7 in YPA, 4th/7 in passing TDs, 4th/5 (to Luck) in INTs, t-4th/4 in passer rating, 4th/5 in completion percentage (ahead of Luck) Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
4 Andrew Luck, QB IND 279 503 55.5 3596 7.15 60 17 16 28 76.1 300
17 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 247 433 57 2820 6.51 71 13 15 21 72.3 235
19 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 218 325 67.1 2660 8.19 88 17 4 25 104.4 222
20 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 210 363 57.9 2559 7.05 80 7 12 23 72.3 213
23 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 201 317 63.4 2344 7.39 51 19 8 23 95.2 195
37 Nick Foles, QB PHI 81 133 60.9 793 5.96 44 2 3 8 73.3 198
40 Ryan Lindley, QB ARI 50 103 48.5 448 4.35 28 0 5 7 40.4 149
Rushing: Richardson: 3rd in rush yards, 2nd in rush TDs, last in YPA, t-3rd most fumbles, 6th in runs resulting in 1st down. Code:
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3 Doug Martin, RB TB 236 1106 4.7 70 9 9 92.2 1 44
3 Alfred Morris, RB WSH 230 1106 4.8 39 6 6 92.2 3 56
14 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 229 827 3.6 32 2 7 68.9 3 27
21 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 105 714 6.8 76 6 6 59.5 8 36
26 Bryce Brown, RB PHI 75 488 6.5 65 6 4 40.7 4 28
28 Vick Ballard, RB IND 127 468 3.7 26 2 1 39 2 29
29 Daryl Richardson, RB STL 85 457 5.4 53 4 0 38.1 2 18
50 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 66 298 4.5 20 1 0 24.8 2 20
58 Bernard Pierce, RB BAL 59 247 4.2 21 1 1 20.6 0 12
60 Brandon Bolden, RB NE 43 234 5.4 27 3 2 39 0 16
61 Ronnie Hillman, RB DEN 57 226 4 31 3 1 22.6 1 11
71 Robert Turbin, RB SEA 45 182 4 15 0 0 15.2 0 9
Receiving: Gordon is 1st among rookies in receiving yards, t-1st in receiving TDs, 1st in YPC, 2nd in YAC (among WRs), 2nd in catches resulting in 1st downs. Richardson is 1st among all in YAC, 2nd among RBs in rec yards, t-1st among RBs in rec TDs, 2nd among all rookies in receptions, but last in YPC. Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G FUM YAC 1DN
40 Josh Gordon, WR CLE 34 65 646 19 5 71 12 53.8 0 208 28
51 T.Y. Hilton, WR IND 39 69 588 15.1 5 60 9 53.5 0 155 20
56 Chris Givens, WR STL 33 59 559 16.9 3 65 8 50.8 0 201 18
57 Justin Blackmon, WR JAC 39 85 557 14.3 3 81 6 46.4 0 179 27
64 Kendall Wright, WR TEN 54 88 516 9.6 4 38 5 43 1 213 33
79 Dwayne Allen, TE IND 36 54 435 12.1 2 40 8 36.3 1 176 24
95 Doug Martin, RB TB 32 47 374 11.7 1 64 4 31.2 0 303 13
104 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 44 60 339 7.7 1 27 5 28.3 0 391 17
108 Rod Streater, WR OAK 24 50 329 13.7 3 64 4 27.4 1 50 16
114 Ryan Broyles, WR DET 22 33 310 14.1 2 40 5 31 0 156 16
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The only thing I don't like about those stats is that they don't include RB receiving stats... Other than that, it's hard to argue that this team isn't headed in the right direction...
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TRich scouting report http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=40813A physically strapped together running back with a muscular lower half, very strong legs and chiseled upper body. Carries his weight well and is an absolute freak in the weight room. Possesses an aggressive running style and his combination of power and initial explosion is rare. The guy breaks about as many tackles as I've seen at the college level since Adrian Peterson. Showcases a "plus" initial burst when asked to press the hole, reaches top end speed quickly and runs with good forward lean. Exhibits natural bend in the knees when picking his way through traffic and showcases the foot quickness and fluidity to make sharp/sudden cuts at full speed and make defenders miss in tight areas. Isn't a dynamic make you miss athlete from a standstill position. However, he's patient when asked to set up blocks, exhibits impressive power/balance in his lower half allowing him to step through would be tackles and create a ton of yards through contact. Loves to create collisions and is the kind of guy who is going to shorten his shelf life in the NFL because of it. However, possesses the physical make-up to consistently run through arm tackles, run over defenders and keep the chains moving. Is also adept running from the gun. Sells the misdirection well, but likes to get his legs churning quickly up the field. Is also a much better perimeter runner than given credit for, accelerating around the edge with good bend and sharply putting his foot in the ground when side stepping a defender. Has really improved his patience and overall feel between the tackles from a year ago as well. Does a much better job picking his way through traffic, setting up blocks and than accelerating through daylight, as opposed to simply trying out sprit and run over any defender in his path. Lacks elite top end speed and isn't a guy who can simply outpace angles at the second level. However, is still a big play threat because of his ability to make defenders miss and break tackles at the second level. Is much more agile/sudden than given credit for and will catch the football out of the backfield as well. Has the frame and toughness to hold his own in blitz pick-up and is a guy who can play all three downs in the NFL. Impression: The best running back prospect I've seen since Adrian Peterson. His running style might limit his shell life a bit in the NFL. However, he's the kind of back you can ride like a rented mule from day one and should become one of the NFL's top runners early on. Does that sound like the TRich we've seen? That's like a 180 from what is written in here
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Weeden's http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=38638A strong, well put together quarterback with a live arm and the ability to make all the throws with ease. Is a former second round pick of the Yankees in 2002, but his baseball career ended in 2005 due to an arm injury. Enrolled at Oklahoma State in 2007 and took over as the starter in 2010. Plays in a spread and takes nearly all of his snaps from the gun. Displays sneaky athleticism for his size and exhibits a natural feel inside the pocket. Keeps his eyes down the field when he feels an outside rush, can maintain balance when stepping up and throw absolute darts all over the field. However, gets too upright at times in his drop, causing him to struggle to quickly re-set his feet and really stride toward his target. Will fall off his fair share of throws when he feels pressure inside causing his accuracy and decision making to struggle because of it. When he does have more time does a much better job bending at the knees and really transferring his weight well, generating good torque from his lower half. Can really spin the football on all levels of the field and exhibits good accuracy and ball placement both in the intermediate and vertical passing game. Anticipates routes well down the field, snaps his head around quickly when working off play action from the gun and can fit the ball in tight areas on time with receivers. Also, displays "plus" touch vertically down the field, routinely drops the football into the outstretched arms of his target and looks comfortable using the same throwing motion. Will drop his arm angle down a bit underneath in the short passing game where he gets lazy with his plant foot and his ball placement will struggle because of it. Is a smart kid who does a nice job recognizing defenses with his pre snap read and as the year went on did a better job looking off safeties and working through his progressions across the field. Gets a bit unbalanced with his footwork when working his way across the field because he gets upright at times, but should improve with more experience. Will throw blind when going back across the field and get himself into some trouble with interceptions because of it. Is a good enough athlete to throw on the move, isn't going to be dynamic by any sense in the open field, but can create time for himself when flushed from the pocket and scamper for additional yards. An older prospect who will turn 28 years old in October. Impression: His age will likely keep him from going as early in the draft as his talents deserve. But there isn't a throw this guy can't make and he has the skill set and mental make-up to mature into a potential starter with some time. Pretty much what we got I'd say...
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Schwartz http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=40963Will end up being a four-year starter for Cal. Possesses a tall, well-built frame, carries his weight well and is natural on the move. At his best in the run game where he does a nice job sitting into his three-point stance, keeping his base down and generating a good snap through the hips into contact. Doesn't waste much motion getting upright off the ball, stays down, possesses a strong lower half, runs his legs through contact and gains solid leverage with his hands. Routinely is able to get into opposing defenders quickly and create a push at the point. Plays through the whistle and takes pride in finishing blocks. However, also looks effective on the move, displays good body control off the snap with the initial quickness to get around on reach blocks and seal. Displays good coordination down the line on slide down blocks as well and can reach opponents at the second level. Lacks ideal body control when looking to drop his pad level and cut down on contact, but stays low off the ball into space, extends his arms and can seal backers down the field. Is still developing as a pass blocker, displays solid range off the edge and looks athletic enough to reach speed. However, struggles to keep his base down, isn't real technically sound/compact with his footwork and has a tendency to get overextended and double over the waist when looking to anchor. Takes good angles initially, but struggles to shuffle and slide through the play. Loses his balance easily and can be overwhelmed easily on contact because his weight is typically on his toes and he doesn't stay real compact with his footwork lunging into contact. Does a much better job keeping his hands up and base down when he needs to block down or handle bigger/slower defensive ends off the edge where he can play with power. However, vs. speed he chicken wings his arms on his drop in order to create momentum, exposes his frame and doesn't keep his hands up ready to uncoil on his punch. Impression: Displays solid athletic ability, but looks better suited to play on the right side in the NFL vs. less speed. A nice mid round type draft pick who could eventually fight for playing time. Quick learner, exceeded expectations -------------------------------------------- Winn http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=37580 A gifted athlete for his size, Winn possesses a thick looking lower half, natural base strength and a compact upper body. He does a nice job extending his arms into contact off the snap and maximizes his length, allowing him to play longer than he really is. He exhibits an explosive first step off the snap, is a natural bender who coils up well and keeps his base/pad level down into contact. He delivers a strong initial jolt into contact and when he extends his arms, he can disengage and make plays off his frame. However, vs. bigger, more explosive lineman he can initially be overwhelmed vs. an in-line run game. He is a good enough athlete to slip through contact and get himself back into the play, but will have some trouble trying to fight off blocks inside vs. NFL caliber blockers. Winn is at his best threatening gaps inside off the snap and trying to make his way into the backfield. He plays low, runs his legs through contact and uses a strong club in order to fight his way through contact. He exhibits the first step to cross the face of defenders, and for the most part stays low and works his way through contact. He isn't a dynamic pass rusher at this stage, but again his explosive first step and ability to keep his pad level down gives him the ability to routinely threaten gaps inside. In space, Winn will use the club to shed and has the initial burst to slip and close on the football. However, he is a bit of a linear pass rusher inside who doesn't have the kind of lateral quickness to make blockers miss. He likes to fire off the ball low, pressure gaps and use his pad level to slip under contact and accelerate. He is a solid tackler who breaks down well in the backfield for the most part and displays solid instincts when trying to find the football. Impression: Winn is a bit of a tweener who will get looks as a 43 DE, a 34 DE and a 43 one gapping DT. I think he's best suited to play 34 DE as he has the power to anchor on the edge and offers some pass rush ability as well. Either way, the guy looks like a starting caliber defensive lineman in any number of schemes. Sounds like the steal we've gotten.... ----------------------------------------------------- JMJ http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=35593A shorter, compact inside linebacker prospect with a thickly put together frame. Generates a natural snap into contact. When taking on blocks inside. Creates natural leverage for himself, is an explosive kid who can deliver a thump at the point of attack and to his credit does a nice job extending his arms and keeping himself clean. Isn't real long armed and has a tough time stacking and shedding consistently in the hole. Can stonewall defenders, but isn't a consistent shed guy once engaged. Is quick to decipher information though, keys off blocks well, is always getting early jumps on the football and exhibits an explosive element to his game when asked to close. Breaks down well in space, takes good angles to the ball carrier and is quickly able to snap his hips into contact and create collisions. Is a guy who can create turnovers at the point in the run game. Showcases some savvy as a blitzer, finds rush lanes quickly and uses his shimmy/arm over in order to side step blocks. Possesses a good first step and closing speed when chasing the ball carrier and knows how to keep himself clean. Uses his hands well when picking his way through trash inside with the first step to accelerate away from blocks off his frame. Has a tendency to get a bit upright in coverage which takes away from his initial balance. Needs a step or two to collect himself before he's able to get back up to speed. Will give up initial separation in man. However, exhibits decent fluidity in the hips when asked to re-direct, and in zone keeps his feet under him better and displays plus initial burst and closing speed toward the football. Ball skills are only average, but he's a guy who can cover some ground in space. Just needs to improve pad level when changing directions. Impression: Is a good athlete who can run, close on the football and play with power in the run game. Needs to play a bit lower in coverage, but overall does everything at a pretty solid NFL level. Is a guy who can win a starting job at the next level. ------------------------------------- Benjamin http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=36465An explosive track star who is one of the ACC's top 60-meter sprinters. Possesses a track star build, as he's narrow through the hips and lacks much girth to his frame. However, he possesses an electric first step off the line, gets up to top end speed quickly and has the ability to instantly eat up the cushion. Is a consistent vertical threat who tracks the football well, adjusts to the throw and can go up and make a play when he needs to. Is fluid in the hips as well and exhibits good coordination when running vertical routes. Sells his shoulder fake well, puts his foot in the ground and can accelerate with ease toward daylight. Also, he exhibits some savvy when trying to beat press coverage off the line. Isn't the most physical of receivers, but does a nice job using his suddenness and slight wiggle to get a corner leaning the wrong way and then just explodes past him down the field. Is still developing as a route runner and will glide his way into his inward breaking routes. Can be sharp in and out of his breaks underneath, but will slow his feet before his breaks, allowing defenders to drive on the route. Has the fluidity and footwork to improve and is a hard worker, but needs to become a more consistent route runner. However, to his credit, he has a great feel of getting corners to open up their hips in order to turn and run and snapping off a route under them. Corners are legitimately fearful of his vertical speed and he knows how to get on their hip and then snap the comeback or out route off cleanly adjusting to the throw. Can pluck the football and adjust to ball off his frame and exhibits good balance and hand eye coordination, but at times just loses concentration and will put the ball on the ground. He's dangerous after the catch, is fluid, quick footed and can make a defender miss and out pace them toward daylight. Is one of the better return men in the NCAA and should be able to earn a starter role on special teams in the NFL. Impression: A typical Miami type athlete who has all the tools needed to make plays at the next level. Has a little DeSean Jackson and Titus Young to his game and if he continues to mature could end up playing a similar type role.
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The only thing I don't like about those stats is that they don't include RB receiving stats... Other than that, it's hard to argue that this team isn't headed in the right direction...
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Weekly Update: Passing: Weeden 5/6 Passer Rating, 2nd Yards, 5/6 Completion %, 5/6 YPA, 4th Passing TDs, 2nd-most INTs (Luck has 3[!] more) Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 233 351 66.4 2,906 8.28 88 18 4 28 104.2 224
7 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 208 330 63 2,492 7.55 67 20 9 24 94.9 192
25 Nick Foles, QB PHI 113 184 61.4 1,174 6.38 44 4 3 14 80.3 235
31 Andrew Luck, QB IND 295 537 54.9 3,792 7.06 60 18 18 32 74.5 292
32 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 264 463 57 3,037 6.56 71 13 15 24 72.8 234
33 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 227 396 57.3 2,709 6.84 80 8 12 25 72.5 208
Rushing: Richardson 3rd Rushing Yards, last YPA, 2nd rushing TDs, 2nd-best fumble rate, 5th in runs for 1st down Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN
3 Doug Martin, RB TB 264 1,234 4.7 70 9 10 94.9 1 50
4 Alfred Morris, RB WSH 253 1,228 4.9 39 7 7 94.5 4 62
14 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 247 869 3.5 32 2 9 66.8 3 30
20 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 112 748 6.7 76 6 6 57.5 9 36
26 Vick Ballard, RB IND 146 562 3.8 26 2 1 43.2 2 35
29 Bryce Brown, RB PHI 87 494 5.7 65 6 4 38 4 29
31 Daryl Richardson, RB STL 88 461 5.2 53 4 0 35.5 2 18
Receiving: Gordon 1st receiving yards, t-1st receiving TDs, 1st YPC, 2nd YAC (WRs only), 2nd rec for 1st down (all rookies) Richardson 9th rec yards (2nd RBs), 1st RB rec TDs, 1st YAC (all rookies), 1st rec for 1st down (RBs only) Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G FUM YAC 1DN
32 Josh Gordon, WR CLE 42 78 732 17.4 5 71 12 56.3 0 242 33
51 T.Y. Hilton, WR IND 41 75 638 15.6 5 60 10 53.2 0 232 22
54 Justin Blackmon, WR JAC 45 97 614 13.6 3 81 6 47.2 0 181 30
58 Chris Givens, WR STL 36 69 584 16.2 3 65 8 48.7 0 238 19
65 Kendall Wright, WR TEN 59 97 555 9.4 4 38 5 42.7 1 255 35
86 Dwayne Allen, TE IND 37 57 446 12.1 2 40 8 34.3 1 222 25
90 Rod Streater, WR OAK 28 57 429 15.3 3 64 5 33 1 87 19
101 Doug Martin, RB TB 35 52 378 10.8 1 64 4 29.1 0 355 13
109 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 45 62 348 7.7 1 27 5 26.8 0 418 17
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since we have so many rookies as starters, I figured it would be useful to show which rookies are leading our team in useful categories as well:
rookies leading categories for Browns:
receptions: Trent Richardson(45) leads Josh Gordon(42)
passing TDs: Weeden (13)
receiving TDs: Gordon (5)
rushing TDs: Richardson (9)
return TDs: Benjamin (1)
defensive fumble recovery: Winn/Robertson(2) - also DQ, Brown(2)
possible rookie leaders:
INTs: Robertson (2) - Haden&Brown have 3 each
Sacks: Hughes (3) - Parker has 5, Rucker/Sheard 4, DQ 3.5
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RGIII's 18 TDs and only 4 INTs is the most impressive stat of the year...
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RGIII's 18 TDs and only 4 INTs is the most impressive stat of the year...
24TDs if you count his rushing too
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that wasn't a fumble. merely a re-routed, delayed handoff
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It looked more line a no-look bounce pass.
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Final stats... even Benjamin made a showing, finishing 12th in receiving yards among rookie WRs. Passing: Weeden just did not have a good rookie season. There's really no way around it. Too big of a learning curve from his college offense, too many bad decisions, too much coach/QB blame-heaping to perform well. Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM COMP ATT PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
3 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 258 393 65.6 3,200 8.14 88 20 5 30 102.4 213
4 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 252 393 64.1 3,118 7.93 67 26 10 33 100 195
23 Nick Foles, QB PHI 161 265 60.8 1,699 6.41 46 6 5 20 79.1 243
26 Andrew Luck, QB IND 339 627 54.1 4,374 6.98 70 23 18 41 76.5 273
27 Ryan Tannehill, QB MIA 282 484 58.3 3,294 6.81 80 12 13 35 76.1 206
29 Brandon Weeden, QB CLE 297 517 57.4 3,385 6.55 71 14 17 28 72.6 226
Rushing: Richardson I thought played two of his better games of the season against WAS and DEN, at least in terms of running the ball. Ended up with a 3.6 ypc average, which isn't very good, but hopefully will improve next year. Overall, a disappointing season to me considering the lofty expectations he came in with. He did rush for 11 TDs, however, which is probably more than 4 or more team totals since the return. Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM ATT YDS YDS/A LONG 20+ TD YDS/G FUM 1DN
2 Alfred Morris, RB WSH 335 1,613 4.8 39 9 13 100.8 4 83
5 Doug Martin, RB TB 319 1,454 4.6 70 11 11 90.9 1 58
18 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 267 950 3.6 32 2 11 63.3 3 36
20 Robert Griffin III, QB WSH 120 815 6.8 76 6 7 54.3 9 40
21 Vick Ballard, RB IND 211 814 3.9 26 4 2 50.9 3 50
32 Bryce Brown, RB PHI 115 564 4.9 65 6 4 35.3 4 33
33 Bernard Pierce, RB BAL 108 532 4.9 78 3 1 33.3 0 21
35 Russell Wilson, QB SEA 94 489 5.2 25 2 4 30.6 2 30
36 Daryl Richardson, RB STL 98 475 4.8 53 4 0 29.7 2 19
Receiving: If our rookie QB and RB were disappointing, I'd say our rookie WRs exceeded expectations. Gordon was a revelation and bailed out a WR corps that needed something on the other side of Little. Taking Gordon in the S2nd round may go down s Heckert's best move. Even Benjamin came on toward the end of the year, placing in the company with prospects thought of (or drafted) higher by some (Reuben Randle, Jarius Wright, Ryan Broyles, TJ Graham.) Code:
RK PLAYER TEAM REC TAR YDS AVG TD LONG 20+ YDS/G FUM YAC 1DN
29 Justin Blackmon, WR JAC 64 133 865 13.5 5 81 9 54.1 1 244 41
30 T.Y. Hilton, WR IND 50 91 861 17.2 7 70 13 57.4 0 316 30
39 Josh Gordon, WR CLE 50 96 805 16.1 5 71 12 50.3 1 304 40
55 Chris Givens, WR STL 42 81 698 16.6 3 65 10 46.5 0 253 25
70 Kendall Wright, WR TEN 64 104 626 9.8 4 38 6 41.7 1 301 38
75 Rod Streater, WR OAK 39 73 584 15 3 64 6 36.5 1 144 27
80 Michael Floyd, WR ARI 45 86 562 12.5 2 53 6 35.1 1 101 26
89 Dwayne Allen, TE IND 45 66 521 11.6 3 40 9 32.6 1 225 30
100 Doug Martin, RB TB 49 71 472 9.6 1 64 4 29.5 0 380 18
122 Trent Richardson, RB CLE 51 70 367 7.2 1 27 5 24.5 0 448 18
122 Alshon Jeffery, WR CHI 24 48 367 15.3 3 55 6 36.7 0 42 17
137 T.J. Graham, WR BUF 31 58 322 10.4 1 51 3 21.5 0 173 14
141 Jarius Wright, WR MIN 22 36 310 14.1 2 65 3 44.3 0 93 13
141 Ryan Broyles, WR DET 22 33 310 14.1 2 40 5 31 0 162 16
144 Rueben Randle, WR NYG 19 32 298 15.7 3 56 4 18.6 0 58 13
144 Travis Benjamin, WR CLE 18 37 298 16.6 2 69 4 21.3 1 67 13
149 Coby Fleener, TE IND 26 48 281 10.8 2 26 5 23.4 0 107 14
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