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Carr for a draft pick? Meh.
Carr for FREE? Get it done Phil. 
Absolutely! As long as we don't have to pay him, I'm all for it.
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I kinda feel bad for the Texans because you know their fan base is probably split on him like we were with Timmy. It sucks to lose your possibly franchise qb because you know you have to turn a new leaf.
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I assume nothing. I'm stating a case. There is no assumption that is who we are targeting.
Personally I've always liked Carr...but it takes no dummy to realize the kid is damaged goods right now...gosh and people still hesitate on picking Thomas 
I still would like for us to pick him up. I really am not enamored with Anderson. At this moment I think it would be in Carr's best interest to sit back for a season and step back out of the box - re tool his technique - re fresh his mental capacity for the game and just start all over.
In case we do not take Quinn and we get Thomas - it would be nice to have Carr in the wings to fall back on...much more reassuring than Anderson. Frye still has potential but its not a 100% lock and again I would much rather have Carr here.
Even if we get Quinn...I still think we start Frye - let him stud out as much as he can then get good market value for a starting QB as we go further down the road with Quinn n Carr as our QBs...one a starter the other a backup.
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à would love to sign Carr because I think he has tremendous ability just never had any talent around him. Plus signing him would mean NO QUINN!!! Which I am a big fan of not drafting.
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Carr for a draft pick? Meh.
Carr for FREE? Get it done Phil.
Absolutely! As long as we don't have to pay him, I'm all for it.
You know what I meant. 
The free agent QB crop is horrendous. We need SOME kind of veteran. Why not bring in a guy who, if he works out, can be a QB of the future at the same time?
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Let me see. The Texans were horrible. Carr was beat up. Didn't they beat us last year and maybe the year or two years before? Must be an improvement by those standards. 
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Only one problem I see with your thinking Eo.. I don't believe for one second that Carr is going to accept the role of a back up or he money associated with that role.. But that's just an opinion,,, I have no idea if it will come down that way...LOL
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The free agent QB crop is horrendous.
You just answered your own question. Carr is part of that crop. Don't want him here, don't see any upside, don't think he's going to get better by coming here. Besides the wear and tear on his body and the possibility that he's probably gun shy, I think he lacks touch and I don't like QB's who consistently have their passes batted down and throw more INTs than TDs. We've had enough of those, IMO. But even assuming I know absolutely nothing about football, I'll take Kubiak's and Childress' assessments as reason enough not to waste our time or money. JMHO
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I'll take Kubiak's and Childress' assessments as reason enough not to waste our time or money
You understand that one of them just paid a guy with six starts $48 million and the other one has Tarvaris Jackson as his starter. 
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You understand that one of them just paid a guy with six starts $48 million and the other one has Tarvaris Jackson as his starter.
And just to show you how little they think of Carr,,, neither of them want him,,, he's been kicked to the curb for a 3rd round pick that started what,,,, 6 games in his career. (Houston and schuab) And it seems he is being passed over for a no name in Minnisota,,,LOL,,
What's really funny is that some of you guys want him here
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I will gladly put up $50 that says neither Schaub nor Jackson finish 07 in the top 16 QB's in the league. Schaub was overpaid by about $28 million +2 too many draft picks. Kubiak's tenure in Houston is already wrapping up. Childress isn't any better. Just because these guys used to work for good head coaches doesn't mean that THEY are good head coaches. Just ask Romeo......
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I'd take a chance on Carr with the right provisions in the contract, making it basically a one-year deal. You add in a roster bonus next March of $5 million or so. If he plays well, its money well spent. If not, you're only out one year and he becomes a free agent again.
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Yeah, whatever... Just wondering why he isn't being snatched up if he's so valuable. I'm sure he'll land somewhere, just praying it isn't here. 
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Just wondering why he isn't being snatched up if he's so valuable.
He's only valuable to teams with bad QB's. like us. No way am I saying that Carr is an elite QB, not even close. He is however the best veteran QB currently available and is much more talented than Frye.
Every year teams get better by signing the veteran that no one else wants: Garcia, Mc Nair, Brees, Plummer(when he went to Denver), Bledsoe when he went to Dallas..... The list goes on and on.
Can anyone seriously grade out Frye or Anderson at any better than a C ? When that's the case you'd better be looking for a QB.
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Yeah, whatever... Just wondering why he isn't being snatched up if he's so valuable. I'm sure he'll land somewhere, just praying it isn't here.
Well, if you're so quick to exclude Carr, who do you want that you think will be better?
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Quinn/Russell would be much better than Carr, not saying either will be available with the third pick, but they might.
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Quinn/Russell would be much better than Carr, not saying either will be available with the third pick, but they might.
They cost us the 3rd overall pick. Carr costs us nothing. Plus, we really need to look into a veteran quarterback at some point. I don't there's going to be much learning going on if we roll into the season with Quinn/Russell, Frye and Anderson.
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And for all of those that wanted us to trade picks to Houston I say "HAHAHA"... I figured it was only time until the Texans let him go - no WAY were they keeping him
and I'm with DiD. What I worry about is that Kubuak is known as a QB guy and said that he wanted to give Carr one year... I'm curious in what he saw in that one year that made him decided that Carr was done.
I still think he has many physical skills... but he's been beaten up physically and mentally. I'm just not sure he has it mentally any more (if he ever had it). With our QB situation I would be fine if we brought him in just for the simple fact that he is a vet and would be able to step in a compete for the the starting position. Even if we do pick him up I can still see us taking a QB at #3 if one is there... I don't think taking Carr would change that - might change our ability to trade down with people who need a QB... of course, if we have Carr people might be more inclined to think we're taking Peterson, Johnson or Thomas and trade up for one of those.
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Bard, I think when folks refer to Carr as damaged goods, I think what they are saying that he's just banged up from all the hits and sacks he's taken,,, I think he's the most sacked QB ever or something like that,,
Most are afraid, and maybe rightfully so, that he is gunshy now,,, it could be true,,
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What's really funny is that some of you guys want him here
and folks wanted Drew Henson too... folks talked about trading for him. Hell, I think The Tuna gave up a 2nd rounder to get him in the first place.
He's so good that as a free agent he was able to garner a one year league minimum deal with the Vikings.
I firmly believe one of two things about QB's:
The whole thing is waaaaay over-thought.
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Absolutely noone knows what they hell they are really looking at, or for... or even why.
I'm leaning toward it being a combination of the two thoughts rather than any one of them individually.
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It's the same beef they have with EVERY QB they see that doesn't have an OL. They blame the QB for it. Nothing new. 
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Question for you DinDayton...if we sign him does that mean there is no way we take Quinn.
Dang man...Makin' me think on a Friday Night...
Here's a question...Cause I have absolutely no idea what his agent will be looking for...What's he worth???...I'll never believe he is that far gone that a team will only give him a 2 year deal with little signing bonus...This kid has some talent...Would like to see him correct that 3/4 arm and start going more over the top...But...
I BELIEVE if we ink em' it ELIMINATES Quinn from consideration...And I'd keep Frye as the 2 guy...This one's gonna be interesting...The kid is nowhere near washed up and we're finally puttin' together some semblence of an Offensive Line...
I'm also one who says NO NEED for Calvin Johnson...The ONLY player at 3 that I would not budge for in a trade unless it includes TWO #1's is Thomas...If Thomas goes 1 or 2...I trade down all day and Sunday...And I STILL stay away from Peterson...Take the Defensive Player starting at 5...
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If we can get him cheaply, maybe. I don't think he's much up an upgrade (if any) over Frye, however. If the powers-that-be think Charlie isn't the guy, I'd just as soon draft Quinn if he's there and be done with it (I don't want Russell, however -- too much of a boom/bust factor for my taste).
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I like the idea of getting Carr and letting him and Frye battle it out.
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IMO, the only reason to get Carr would be if we think he is "the Man".
If we're not prepared to hand him the keys to the offense upon signing, then I don't think we shouldn't be signing him. My reasoning is that if there is to be a challenge or a change at QB, we need to do it, not dance around it and do things that could (would) create the type of team atmosphere we had in 2004 with HWNSNBS & Holcomb.
The way I see it, if we're going to do something, do it... man up and just pull the damn trigger. Otherwise don't waste the time, effort, energy or money.... Go with we got, fix the core areas and then if Frye doesn't break out, do something about it next year.
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I may be ranting here(because I have had a few), but I have believed in Frye, and that I may be wrong. Still the jury is out on him. Carr on the other hand has talent yet the guy has been on his back all through his career. Do I give Carr the nod HELL YEAH. Let Frye sit back and learn after all he has been on his back plenty as well. I look at Carrs stats and they are not to bad except for the int td ratio, but he did not have a lot to work with. Frye is the same, not a lot to work with. So who do you go with, the guy with more experience. My persoonal choice is Green,p but that is not going to happen. Let me know if this made sense, because after all its Friday night and I am drunk.
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If we're not prepared to hand him the keys to the offense upon signing, then I don't think we shouldn't be signing him.
I agree with that.
I'd like to see David Carr here, provided he's healthy. I think he's tough, smart, has a better arm than Charlie and will be itching to start winning ball games. I think he'll be a Brown by Monday, if not sooner.
He'll know our O-line is improving,and that we have some offensive weapons at his disposal.
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So does everyone think the team that gets Carr is out of the QB consideration in the draft ?
Interesting thoughts :
He will want to start or go some place that he knows he would probably win the job even though they will call it a "competition" in camp. Does he go some place he thinks is taking Russel or Quinn next month ? Would a GM actually let him in on that type of insider info ? I see lots of wheels turning...
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Would a GM actually let him in on that type of insider info ?
a GM won't let his mother know who he's taking... no way they let Carr know...
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So does everyone think the team that gets Carr is out of the QB consideration in the draft ?
I think it'll mean we're out of the QB Consideration.
If we're going to select a QB, it would be stupid to bring in Carr IMO. Also, it would pretty well make Carr very P.O.'d to sign here and then one month later essentially be bumped down to being a placeholder until the 'real' starter is ready.
No, IF we go QB at all, it'll be one or the other.
I personally feel that we stand-pat with Frye and given the current situation, I think that's 100% the right move.
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If we can get him cheaply, maybe. I don't think he's much up an upgrade (if any) over Frye, however. If the powers-that-be think Charlie isn't the guy, I'd just as soon draft Quinn if he's there and be done with it (I don't want Russell, however -- too much of a boom/bust factor for my taste).
and if we do draft quinn qho do we have to mentor and tutor him??
I think carr would be a good pick up but at a cheap price... he has more years in the league them our guys thats for sure
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If we're not prepared to hand him the keys to the offense upon signing, then I don't think we shouldn't be signing him.
I agree with that.
I'd like to see David Carr here, provided he's healthy. I think he's tough, smart, has a better arm than Charlie and will be itching to start winning ball games. I think he'll be a Brown by Monday, if not sooner.
He'll know our O-line is improving,and that we have some offensive weapons at his disposal.
Look at Carr's stats (I know they are for losers but this is needed for this issue) and look at Timmy's. Now remember how bad our line was (and has been; granted I am basing our awful line woes being over on promise/hope/new signings) and look at how bad he was.
Up and down, like Timmy. Remember the mobs of Holcumb humpers and Timmy Totters.
I don't think that Carr is a signifant upgrade over our past. But if we can get him without significant guaranteed money, we should jump at it. Just, as many have said, he is an upgrade FOR SURE at the back up position, pushes Chucky and his upside could be worth the trouble.
I don't think he's done. But I don't think he is the next Gannon either. But he is a significant upgrade if he doesn't win the starter spot.
Someone mentioned it earlier...he's not going to go to a team who might draft Quinn or Russell. So take out Oakland unless they assure him they won't draft him.
I actually think Detriot is his most likely option. I am trying to think about it from his perspective. He will want the chance to start, a fair chance and will know he will win the spot because he believes in himself. BUT he won't go to a team with the same struggles as the Texans. They must have a good line, not be drafting Quinn or Russell AND not have a lot committed to a current starter while having some weapons around.
So let's use that criteria.
Detroit - weapons - done. Chance to start - done. Line? I don't really know anything about their line except they franchised Bracchus and he's not a franchise but a solid LT. Possible
Miami - Culpepper is there. Might not be there much longer. Weapons - done. Line? They signed Shelton last year...not what he will want.
Us - weapons - done. Chance to start - done. Line - we've made some solid upgrades. STRONG possibilty
Raiders - weapons - best in the aforementioned group. Chance to start - absolutely but will probably draft Russell; eliminates them possibly until he looks at a horrible line that even a HOF lineman couldn't motivate. No way he goes there.
Maybe I am skewing this a little. Heck, maybe the Chiefs get into his sweapstakes. That's probably the best fit for him and his best fit for an organization per the above criteria.
Other teams??? Rams fit the above just because I really think Bulger is a system guy.
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I'll take David Carr. I don't think he had a fair shot, just like a lot of #1 QB picks since they go to poor teams. The guy had no line, and was on his back more than a pornstar. He also never had a great back toting the rock, either.
What makes Houston think Schaub will do better?
The guy has 2 NFL starts. 2. Unless their line is improved, I can't see him doing anything more than Carr. He may have a better chance now that they have a better RB in Ahman Green, but they gave up a LOT in my opinion for a back up quarterback.
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One thing that can't be argued is that Carr, on a sorrier team, has put up better numbers than Frye on a better one.
Over his last three seasons, when he's been sacked a whoppin' 160 times, he's scrapped out ratings of 83.5, 77.2, and 82.1. That is in fact better than Frye.
Now people can choose to say that it was Frye's first two years in the league against a guy who's got 5 under his belt. It's not a fair comparison. True, but that isn't the question. The question is whether or not Carr is a better QB than Frye right now, and the answer is a definitive "YES."
Sure, Carr had 28 turnovers, which is tough to swallow, but Frye had 25 in three fewer games. That's a worse ratio.
The only real arguement is going to be whether or not Carr is damaged goods. It's a real question, but the same weight can be put on whether or not Frye has any upside left. The only thing he has on Carr is his pure mobility, though Carr is an above-average QB in that category.
It's a pipe dream to get Carr IMHO, but it's a move that this organization should be looking at. I think it's time to swallow their pride and admit that Frye is more of a project than they anticipated, even though his mobility was something not even they knew about. To this point, Frye has been HANDED the starters job. If he's got it in him to BE the starter, I see nothing wrong in forcing him to earn it.
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Yeah, whatever... Just wondering why he isn't being snatched up if he's so valuable. I'm sure he'll land somewhere, just praying it isn't here.
Well, if you're so quick to exclude Carr, who do you want that you think will be better?
I'll be flailed for the opinion, but I want either Russell or Quinn. I won't be disappointed if we take Thomas, but I'm not advocating it either. Personally I'm good if Shaffer stays at LT and we draft a guard high to replace Cosey. As far as needing a veteran QB, if Phil and RAC figure they need one, they'll find one. Nothing I've seen so far tells me that figures into their plans. Maybe I'm wrong, but I certainly don't have a problem with it if that's the case, (even though it may mean forgoing the benefits of veteran guidence and experience,) I'd rather see them turn the program over to the QB without contraversy, while developing backup talent from within. If they are done with Charlie, (assuming the rumors are true,) then they probably want a QB high in this draft, (so my reasoning goes,) not someone's retread or an aging vet. It doesn't fit the reining philosophy and the off season moves so far don't exactly convice me we're setting up to take a left tackle. JMHO
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