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Little Debbie offers many of the same products and at half the price of Hostess. I'd like to see what the sales of the two companies snack lines have been over the past 10 years. I bet LD crushes them.
I could be mistaken but I don't think Little Debbie has union shops either.
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First off...Little Debbie pales in comparison, imho, and my post earlier was a little bit of a pun/joke.
This is what happens when you can get 99 months of unemployment. The union felt they had a little fall back. Good luck. Way to put the bullet into your heads. I will have ZERO sympathy when the some these folks run out of benefits. I'm sure if they could have figured out how to make cream filled solar panels or carbon filtering ding-dongs, the big o would have bailed them out.
RIP Dolly Madison chocolate pies and deep fried Twinkies. :-(
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So the ones on the shelves are collector's items?
Heck, they'll still be edible in 8,000 years.
I'm raiding my 401k. Buying all the Twinkies I can. In 25 years when I retire... eBay retirement. Bam! More secure than the stock market!!! 
Heh . . . I just bought the last 2 boxes at the Giant Eagle in Hilliard, OH. Other people are investing as well!
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Little Debbie is produced by McKee Foods, a family owned company. From what I can see, there is no mention of a union on any of their job openings.
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Little Debbie is produced by McKee Foods, a family owned company. From what I can see, there is no mention of a union on any of their job openings.
I looked all over their website as well. Plus their headquarters and most of their manufacturing is in Tennessee...
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Why would they get unemployment? They weren't laid off, they refused to work. Now the workers that are being laid off because of their short-sighted selfish individual stance should receive it, but those workers in the bakers union ought to be told to pound sand.
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Why would they get unemployment? They weren't laid off, they refused to work. Now the workers that are being laid off because of their short-sighted selfish individual stance should receive it, but those workers in the bakers union ought to be told to pound sand.
Agreed. They CHOSE to not have a job. No different than saying to their boss "gimme 'x' or I quit".
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So the ones on the shelves are collector's items?
Heck, they'll still be edible in 8,000 years.
I'm raiding my 401k. Buying all the Twinkies I can. In 25 years when I retire... eBay retirement. Bam! More secure than the stock market!!!
Well, they're asking 25 bucks a box on Ebay now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Box-of-10-Host...=item3ccc80c69d
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So the ones on the shelves are collector's items?
Heck, they'll still be edible in 8,000 years.
I'm raiding my 401k. Buying all the Twinkies I can. In 25 years when I retire... eBay retirement. Bam! More secure than the stock market!!!
Well, they're asking 25 bucks a box on Ebay now.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1-Box-of-10-Host...=item3ccc80c69d
Silly people. We will see Twinkies again. Just not Hostess Twinkies. Some other company will make them or people will just get them shipped from Canada.
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I'm sure the unions will spin this to say they forced Hostess out of business to help America in the fight against obesity. 
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j/c Great, Now what are we gonna put in the time vault thats gonna last forever?
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I don't think this is an issue of somebody negotiating their way out of a job. What I think happened here is people accepted these jobs over the years and were made promises when they were hired. The communication between the "higher ups" and the laborers was probably built on this mentality: It is in the company's best interest to retain our workforce because it costs more to keep rehiring and retraining people, so stick with us and we'll take care of you with wages based on performance, punctuality, etc. However, despite good performance, these people were not receiving the raises and benefits they had been promised over the years. Meanwhile, the "higher ups" are clearing millions of dollars annually. After not receiving adequate wages or benefits as they had been promised, the laborers went on strike. As a result of the strike, the "higher ups" no longer had a workforce that they could exploit, and instead of paying the laborers, they chose to close up shop. Don't worry, the higher ups will be back, this time under a new company name, and a new workforce to exploit, and this process will repeat itself all over again. I read elsewhere on yahoo.com that some walmart workers are getting ready to strike.
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But it's ok for the higher ups to do such a thing due to Obama's evil plans.
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I don't think this is an issue of somebody negotiating their way out of a job. What I think happened here is people accepted these jobs over the years and were made promises when they were hired. The communication between the "higher ups" and the laborers was probably built on this mentality: It is in the company's best interest to retain our workforce because it costs more to keep rehiring and retraining people, so stick with us and we'll take care of you with wages based on performance, punctuality, etc. However, despite good performance, these people were not receiving the raises and benefits they had been promised over the years. Meanwhile, the "higher ups" are clearing millions of dollars annually. After not receiving adequate wages or benefits as they had been promised, the laborers went on strike. As a result of the strike, the "higher ups" no longer had a workforce that they could exploit, and instead of paying the laborers, they chose to close up shop. Don't worry, the higher ups will be back, this time under a new company name, and a new workforce to exploit, and this process will repeat itself all over again. I read elsewhere on yahoo.com that some walmart workers are getting ready to strike.
I have little doubt that there were promises made in a different time. Promises that can no longer be kept because times have changes, costs have risen.
The thing that doesn't happen is that the Unions want the employer to keep those promises, but don't allow for the changing times.
To me, that's both dumb on the employer and the unions. The employer because when the agreed to the add any language that would allow for adjustments based on factors they know can changes and for those they couldn't have foreseen. And the Union has to get a grip on reality as well. I mean, when that last contract was signed I wonder if they could have imagined a time when home foreclosures were as bad as they've been, where fuel costs would rise to the level the level they've reached or where we would see a healthcare reform bill be passed that could choke business.
We all know about the crazy paychecks CEO's and Presidents get and sure, they deserve a big salary. Those are damn hard jobs (no, not physical, but you try worrying about keeping 18 thousand people working, you worry constantly about market share and see what that does to your brain) It's a different kinda hard.
Having said that, they don't need to get golden parachutes after they run a company into the ground either. who the hell thought of paying out millions in bonues to a person that basically screwed the job up?
But in the end, the Teamsters have agreed and they are one tough union. They believed managment when they said we weren't kidding, this is it.
So essentially, you have the Bakers Union holding up the whole deal.
hey, I'm no guru of union matters, but it seems to me,, if there was ever a time to say, hey, maybe the company isn't trying to screw us over, maybe they just want to stay viable...
I'd have voted for give backs today, for a bigger piece of the Twinkie later if and when the crisis has been avoided. But that's just me
(I really apologize for the twinkie reference, I just couldn't help myself)
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We all know about the crazy paychecks CEO's and Presidents get and sure, they deserve a big salary. Those are damn hard jobs (no, not physical, but you try worrying about keeping 18 thousand people working, you worry constantly about market share and see what that does to your brain) It's a different kinda hard.
A point often lost on a lot of people... that while these guys were going to work every day, pounding out Twinkies this guy was trying to figure out how to keep the company afloat in the recession, etc...... From what I could find, Hostess CEO was making just under $2 million a year for running a $3 billion company... so if he agreed to not be a greedy SOB and work for free, like CEO's should, and you took his entire compensation and divided it among the 18,000 people who really work for a living, each of them could have enjoyed a $.05/hour raise.. Don't spend it all in one place. 
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The thing that doesn't happen is that the Unions want the employer to keep those promises, but don't allow for the changing times.
Actually those types of Unions do allow for changing times, but only when it can benefit them. If a company's profits increase they argue for wage and benefit increases. They don't care that the increase could be or might be temporary or a flash.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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The thing that doesn't happen is that the Unions want the employer to keep those promises, but don't allow for the changing times.
Actually those types of Unions do allow for changing times, but only when it can benefit them. If a company's profits increase they argue for wage and benefit increases. They don't care that the increase could be or might be temporary or a flash.
What I was trying to point out is, if unions want to be part of the business landscape, they are going to have to become business partners with those companies they work for,
They are going to have to adjust to the good times and the bad times.
And they won't.
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I know... I was supporting your arguement. But pointing out that they do care about changing times, but only when it is a benefit to the union.
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I know... I was supporting your arguement. But pointing out that they do care about changing times, but only when it is a benefit to the union.
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You would think with weed becoming legal that twinkie sales would skyrocket.
I'm sure some other company will start to produce something similar.
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You would think with weed becoming legal that twinkie sales would skyrocket.
I'm sure some other company will start to produce something similar.
Which is why the Mexican company "Bimbo", is considering a run at purchasing the muchie provider. With burritos and now potentially twinkies, not to mention the Mexican pot, they will pretty much have the market cornered.
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You would think with weed becoming legal that twinkie sales would skyrocket.
I'm sure some other company will start to produce something similar.
The flaw of the arguement is you're assuming that just because weed is legal everyone who didn't smoke suddenly will. The reality is everyone that was smoking will continue to do so. Now without the fear of being busted for something they do in the privacy of their home. That said Twinkie sales won't change. Nor should they. They suck. No weed has ever made me crave them.
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I personally never liked Twinkies either. Now the Orange Cupcakes....they were my favorite.
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But people may be more apt to smoke one while on a bread and milk run, then get the craving, and therefore do an impulse buy. Whereas when illegal they were at home WISHING they had a box of twinkies but too paranoid to go to the store the get them.
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I personally never liked Twinkies either.
So you are a communist?
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I'm not communist either. Though Twinkies seem like a 'dessert' that a communist country would develop. Flavorless, oily yet dry sponge cake filled with flavorless oily cream. So nasty.
Good riddence to bad snack cakes.
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The thing that doesn't happen is that the Unions want the employer to keep those promises, but don't allow for the changing times.
Actually those types of Unions do allow for changing times, but only when it can benefit them. If a company's profits increase they argue for wage and benefit increases. They don't care that the increase could be or might be temporary or a flash.
What I was trying to point out is, if unions want to be part of the business landscape, they are going to have to become business partners with those companies they work for,
They are going to have to adjust to the good times and the bad times.
And they won't.
Except for they gave up $110 million in concessions in 2004 in order to help the company. But don't let facts get in the way of this board's talking points.
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You would think with weed becoming legal that twinkie sales would skyrocket.
I'm sure some other company will start to produce something similar.
Hostess is one of those iconic brands.. Instant recognition the likes of which a 10 bilion dollar advertizing campaign can't give you.
So I suspect that someone will come along, buy the Hostess name, product line, perhaps some of the factories but probably not, just buy the equipment, clean it up and move it to someplace where unions won't bug them, someplace where people just want to work.
Probably means someplace down south I would suspect.
But I do believe we will see the Twinkie Rise Again.. (no pun intended)
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Except for they gave up $110 million in concessions in 2004 in order to help the company. But don't let facts get in the way of this board's talking points.
Having 18,500 out of work, that's the ticket. That'll show'em who's boss.
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Except for they gave up $110 million in concessions in 2004 in order to help the company. But don't let facts get in the way of this board's talking points.
Having 18,500 out of work, that's the ticket. That'll show'em who's boss.
I'm curious if they actually gave up $110 million or if they did it like the government and reduced some of those future promises and called them cuts.
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Plus this time around the company was going to slash their pension funding by 75%, their health benefits by 17%, and their wages by 8%. At first I thought they were crazy for holding out, now it seems like the company would've went under no matter what. Maybe the workers feel they are better off looking for another job.
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Plus this time around the company was going to slash their pension funding by 75%, their health benefits by 17%, and their wages by 8%. At first I thought they were crazy for holding out, now it seems like the company would've went under no matter what. Maybe the workers feel they are better off looking for another job.
i just don't understand why not make the concessions, keep working while looking for another job.
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Plus this time around the company was going to slash their pension funding by 75%, their health benefits by 17%, and their wages by 8%. At first I thought they were crazy for holding out, now it seems like the company would've went under no matter what. Maybe the workers feel they are better off looking for another job.
i just don't understand why not make the concessions, keep working while looking for another job.
Because a decision like that requires common sense.
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That's what I would do, if I thought a company was about to go under or struggling financially. But I've never worked for a union. My parents have, not me.
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