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In a surprising move, the Eagles have released Jason Babin.
Babin, who was coming off of a Pro-Bowl season, has only 5.5 sacks this season.
“We appreciate everything that Jason has given this team over the last couple of years. We wish him all the best as he continues his career," said Andy Reid on the release. "By releasing him today, this gives us an opportunity to give more playing time to some of younger guys in the defensive line rotation.”
Babin has played in every game for the Eagles this year, totaling 26 tackles to go along with his 5.5 sacks. He will finish his 2nd stint as an Eagle with 23.5 sacks in 27 games.
Babin has seen his playing time decrease as the season as gone on. After playing close to every snap in the season opener, Babin saw just a little over half of the snaps against the Carolina Panthers last night. Brandon Graham, the team's former 1st round pick, has started to take snaps from Babin.
The move is a strong signal from Jeffrey Lurie and the Eagles organization that changes are coming. As the losing continues, the changes will continue to come.
By releasing a player that they invested big money in last year, it's clear that no one is safe, and anyone could be next.
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Don't know all that much about Babin, but he certainly is worth looking into
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Don't know all that much about Babin, but he certainly is worth looking into
Can he play corner? Otherwise I'd pass.
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The big questions:
Is he worth pursuing, or are we quite content with our DL as-is??
Is he the DE that we need?
Which DE that is currently on the roster would you be comfortable cutting to make room for him?
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Is he worth pursuing, or are we quite content with our DL as-is?? Is he the DE that we need?
Yes absolutely yes.
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Any other than Sheard.
Babin is a quick twitch monster. He had 18 sacks last year. He's the prototype for what Heckert looks for in a DE (although to be clear he's a free agent signee from Tennessee).
I'd be giddy if we picked him up. This could be the piece we need for the next few seasons.
He's 32 so he's obviously not a long term guy.
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We are slowly becoming the cleveland eagles. I am sure Banner will know if he is worth it.
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Ok, that all sounds good... how is he, historically, against the run?
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Worth Pursuing.
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Owen Marecic.
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When you see a move made like this on a struggling team, red flags, flashing lights and sirens should be blasting. They dont release a guy like this without attitude problems. No proof and Andy Reid will never throw a player under the bus but this one has all the signs of cancer removal.
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When you see a move made like this on a struggling team, red flags, flashing lights and sirens should be blasting. They dont release a guy like this without attitude problems. No proof and Andy Reid will never throw a player under the bus but this one has all the signs of cancer removal.
He's older and expensive on a team that had sky-high expectations, but is going nowhere - it could be as simple as he asked for his release?
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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He's 32. I don't see him fitting here.
I think that he can help a team ..... but probably a playoff team.
I can see Belichick grabbing him and fitting him into a pass rusher role for the playoff push and playoffs.
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We already have an aging pass-rush specialist at RDE. Why would we go after another?
Like him or not, Rucker was signed for the long-haul. Parker was signed to be the 3rd down, pass-rush specialist. There's no point in picking up the contract on Babin.
Now I don't see any smoke that would indicate he was a locker-room cancer. He had seen his playing time cut as the Eagles go into audition-mode to make room for Curry.
I can't see any reason why we'd sign him. I think it'd be a waste.
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any time you have a chance to upgrade a position you do it.
Rucker and Parker have a whopping 6 sacks combined.
Babin has 5.5 by himself.
I could see the Texans going after him or the Broncos.
but this is the Browns.
they will sign a has been like Parker but ignore a proven
player like Babin.
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When you see a move made like this on a struggling team, red flags, flashing lights and sirens should be blasting. They dont release a guy like this without attitude problems. No proof and Andy Reid will never throw a player under the bus but this one has all the signs of cancer removal.
He's older and expensive on a team that had sky-high expectations, but is going nowhere - it could be as simple as he asked for his release?
I realize the eagles suck this year but if he asked for release during the season that would suggest he quit on his team. Not a particularly good quality in a team sport.
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They don't need to sign another teams castoff who probably isn't good enough to make the Browns starting lineup and is 2 years past 30.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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We already have an aging pass-rush specialist at RDE. Why would we go after another?
Because your boy Banner gave him 5mil per year just 17 months ago...
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Like him or not, Rucker was signed for the long-haul. Parker was signed to be the 3rd down, pass-rush specialist. There's no point in picking up the contract on Babin.
If we claim Babin it will be for the next 3 seasons as we'd pick up his contract....he gets 4.23mil next year and then 6mil the next 2...It wouldn't be a bad move at all to give him 2013 to "earn" the next 2 years....basically a 4.23mil audition....he'd replace Parker, who gets 3mil this season....it would probably keep us from drafting a RDE high and continue the stop gap solution there...but a tandem of elite pass rush talent and elite run stuffing talent (Rucker) doesn't sound too bad
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He's managed a sack in each of the his last two games. That wouldn't indicate that he's quit on the team. In fact, if he was losing playing time because the Eagles needed to see what they have in their 2nd round DE, asking for his release isn't uncommon at all.
The Eagles are going into full-blown rebuild mode. A 32-year old Babin isn't someone that a team like the Eagles were going to keep anyway. So if you let him sit and rot on the bench, what are you gaining?
I think there are a bunch of assumptions about Babin that are baseless, but having said that, I can't see the upside in claiming him.
If we're going to take on a contract, I'd much rather throw a bunch of money at Cliff Avril who is probably heading for free agency...
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Babin probally was spouting off in the locker room about the losing and management decided to cut him.
BTW he's younger than Parker and his resume is better than any Browns DE.
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there has to be more to the story here. coming off an 18sack campaign and still getting a sack every other game in a terrible year for Philly.
if we pick him up and drop Parker to make Babin nothing more than a pass-rush specialist, it'd be worth it. but again, there's more to this story, right? injury? suspension looming? favor to an old friend? what?
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He's pretty good against the run. He's stout for his size but that's not his MO.
He's a wide 9 get around the corner guy who can put you on your rump if you're a cheating LT. He was a standout last year and since the Eagles were good and had a lot of primetime games I watched plenty of them.
The one thing I'll say is that no other team in the NFL knows this guy better than we would. Not even Tennessee.
I hope management/ownership is willing to commit funds during a lost season to better this team for the next few years.
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I suppose that would have to come down to who's making that decision. If Reid's path is clear, they aren't about to let him make a roster move like this and if Reid's path isn't clear, would you really cut someone right now when you're (in theory) trying to win games to save your job?
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j/c, some of you guys are nuts. You can never have too many good pass rushers, and Babin is one of the 20 most-talented in the league. If he'd come here, I'd take him happily.
BTW, the article said he's losing snaps to Graham, not Curry. Did see Curry in the game yesterday, though.
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Also, for as long as I can remember, we've had trouble covering TEs. You put a guy like Babin on our line and that improves dramatically, as the TE has to stay in to block.
I'm sure Sheard would appreciate not having to play 97% of snaps.
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Question: Does he have to clear waivers or is he an instant free agent? I believe that since he's had this much time in, he's an instant FA.
So another question: If you're Babin and probably only have a couple years left, are you really going to come to a team like Cleveland? It's not a knock on Cleveland, don't get me wrong. Let's face it, we're a couple years still from being serious contenders, IMO. Maybe we start making some waves next year, but I'm not sure any of us really expect to make it to the Super Bowl next year.
So if I'm Babin, I'd take less money to go to a team that is ready to win the Super Bowl THIS year or NEXT year at the latest.
JMHO
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Top 12 Waiver claim priority list
Rk Team
1 Chiefs
2 Jaguars
3 Eagles
4 Raiders
5 Browns
6 Panthers
7 Chargers
8 Bills
9 Titans
10 Lions
11 Cardinals
12 Jets
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That's if he even cares about winning a super bowl now as his primary focus. Maybe his primary focii are playing well, playing a lot of snaps, and making money.
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I think whoever picks up Babin is on the hook for 1.86 mil the rest of the year.
Rumors have the Lions and Bengals has possible landing spots.
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That's if he even cares about winning a super bowl now as his primary focus. Maybe his primary focii are playing well, playing a lot of snaps, and making money.
I agree. Just throwing out one scenario. 
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Question: Does he have to clear waivers or is he an instant free agent? I believe that since he's had this much time in, he's an instant FA.
Subject to waivers, I believe, because the trade deadline has passed.
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Rucker and Parker have a whopping 6 sacks combined.
Babin has 5.5 by himself.
Don't Rucker and Parker play the same position? So they are not on the field at the same time? So they have the same number of chances to get sacks as Babin does? So the fact that we have 6 sacks from our RDE position and the Eagles have 5.5 is actually advantage Browns right?
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Babin has like 36 QB pressures this year. He is a upgrade over Parker.
You can jettison Parker and even slide Rucker to the inside at times like the
Bengals did.
you can even move Rucker to the LDE spot to give Sheard a breather
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This will be Babin's 5th move in 10 years and he was hurt consistently for about 3 or 4 years.. he's only had 2 really good seasons, the last 2 before this one... Yet still the Eagles are willing to just cut him loose...
I'm sorry but there are some serious red flags all around this guy.
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Also, for as long as I can remember, we've had trouble covering TEs.
I was researching players to pick up for my fantasy team and came across this:
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Week 6, but be aware that [Brandon Myers] will take on a Browns team in Week 13 that has allowed the fewest fantasy points to tight ends in the league up to this point.
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I know fantasy stats are not the same as real stats, but that tells me we have done pretty good against tight ends this year.
A little more research:
Week 1: Brent Celek - 4 catches, 69 yards
Week 2: Jermaine Greshem - 4 catches, 37 yards
Week 3: Scott Chandler - 2 catches, 22 yards
Week 4: 0 receptions to a tight end
Week 5: Martellus Bennett 3 catches, 30 yards
Week 6: Jermaine Greshem - 3 catches, 68 yards, and a TD
Week 7: Colby Fleener - 2 catches, 17 yards
Week 8: Antonio Gates - 2 catches, 14 yards
Week 9: Dennis Pitta - 2 catches, 33 yards and Ed Dickson - 2 catches, 11 yards
Week 11: Jason Witten - 7 catches, 51 yards
Week 12: Heath Miller - 6 catches, 63 yards
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Probably a combination of perceived better matchups out wide without Haden and others....as well as having some linebackers who are young and can run.
If you'd have made me hazard a guess though at that stat I wouldn't have guessed #1 that's for sure.
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ok, that settles it. he's going to be a Raider and harrass us on Sunday. that is awfully mean of Reid to do to his old buddies Shurmur, Childress and Heckert though.
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4 Raiders - $4.6mil
5 Browns - $14.5mil
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/11/01/current-cap-.-nflpa-version/
above numbers are the cap space available from the trade deadline cap numbers. I am not sure what cap hit the claiming team would take on Babin as I would think only his 2012 pro-rated salary would count. If so, the Raiders should have enough room.
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Babin is also due to make $4,445,000 next season. So not that much for a pretty good pass rusher. With that said, I don't see Babin as a fit. He is 32 years old, hardly the type of player we have gone after under Heckert. And both Haslam and Banner have said they like they way Heckert has built the team through the draft. It would be very cool if we could get Babin. If we put in a claim for him we would have a pretty good shot at getting him.
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People are hesitant about signing Babin for $4 million? The guy had 18 sacks last year. Why not give him a shot?
If he gets his leg cut off tomorrow, he's still more valuable than Marecic or Juqua Parker.For a cheap price, it's worth seeing what he has. We have the cap room.
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Babin is also due to make $4,445,000 next season. So not that much for a pretty good pass rusher.
With that said, I don't see Babin as a fit. He is 32 years old, hardly the type of player we have gone after under Heckert. And both Haslam and Banner have said they like they way Heckert has built the team through the draft.
It would be very cool if we could get Babin. If we put in a claim for him we would have a pretty good shot at getting him.
Parker is older and not anywhere near as good as Babin. In fact, he was already replaced once by Babin in his career. If all we do is get Babin and cut Parker, I'd say we are better for the move.
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