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I truly do not want any part of Lombardi. I feel that a great GM has to combine the ability to find great players, and great players who fit his system. Further, he has to find guys who can become great players within his system. Lombardi has always been more "name" to me than anything else. Now if we want to bring him in to handle players contracts or such ... then that's OK ..... but he's really not a guy I want handling player personnel decisions. I trust Heckert a whole lot more than I do Lombardi. The only possible reason I can see to replace Heckert is if we are going to drastically change systems on offense and/or defense .... which would create another rebuild from the ground up scenario. 
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The only possible reason I can see to replace Heckert is if we are going to drastically change systems on offense and/or defense .... which would create another rebuild from the ground up scenario.
If that comes to pass, I'm pretty sure that I will be finished as an active Browns fan.
I'll watch a game every now & then, but I will no longer care whether they win or lose, won't care who's playing for the team, won't care who the coach is- or pretty much anything else.
I have stayed with this team for over 40 years, because I always held out hope that they might finally "get it right." After seeing what Heckert has done in just 2 short years, I'm convinced that HE'S gotten it right. If the new ownership can't see that, then they are too stupid to retain my loyalty.
There comes a time when even a rabid dawg stops chasing his own tail.
Lombardi? To replace Heckert? I don't need to stick around to see the train wreck that this team will become. Again.
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Lombardi would be an awful choice, and I think a puppet GM for Banner, imo. Based on nothing at this time other than I just do not like who Lombardi has picked and what he has done in the past, here and elsewhere.
Let's have a look at the drafts he was a part of in his career...
1999 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
2007
1 1 1 1 JaMarcus Russell QB Louisiana State
2 2 6 38 Zach Miller TE Arizona State
3 3 1 65 Quentin Moses DE Georgia
4 3 28 91 Mario Henderson T Florida State
5 3 36 99 Johnnie Lee Higgins WR Texas-El Paso
6 4 1 100 Michael Bush RB Louisville
7 4 11 110 John Bowie DB Cincinnati
8 5 1 138 Jay Richardson DE Ohio State
9 5 28 165 Eric Frampton DB Washington State
10 6 1 175 Oren O'Neal RB Arkansas State
11 7 44 254 Johnathan Holland WR Louisiana Tech
2006
1 1 7 7 Michael Huff DB Texas
2 2 6 38 Thomas Howard LB Texas-El Paso
3 3 5 69 Paul McQuistan G Weber State
4 4 4 101 Darnell Bing DB USC
5 6 7 176 Kevin Boothe T Cornell
6 7 6 214 Chris Morris C Michigan State
7 7 47 255 Kevin McMahan WR Maine
2005
1 1 23 23 Fabian Washington DB Nebraska
2 2 6 38 Stanford Routt DB Houston
3 3 5 69 Andrew Walter QB Arizona State
4 3 14 78 Kirk Morrison LB San Diego State
5 6 1 175 Anttaj Hawthorne DT Wisconsin
6 6 38 212 Ryan Riddle DE California
7 6 40 214 Pete McMahon T Iowa
2004
1 1 2 2 Robert Gallery T Iowa
2 2 13 45 Jake Grove C Virginia Tech
3 3 4 67 Stuart Schweigert DB Purdue
4 4 3 99 Carlos Francis WR Texas Tech
5 5 2 134 Johnnie Morant WR Syracuse
6 6 1 166 Shawn Johnson DE Delaware
7 6 17 182 Cody Spencer LB North Texas
8 7 44 245 Courtney Anderson TE San Jose State
9 7 54 255 Andre Sommersell LB Colorado State
2003
1 1 31 31 Nnamdi Asomugha DB California
2 1 32 32 Tyler Brayton DE Colorado
3 2 31 63 Teyo Johnson WR Stanford
4 3 19 83 Sam Williams LB Fresno State
5 3 32 96 Justin Fargas RB USC
6 4 32 129 Shurron Pierson DE South Florida
7 5 32 167 Doug Gabriel WR Central Florida
8 6 31 204 Dustin Rykert T Brigham Young
9 7 32 246 Siddeeq Shabazz DB New Mexico State
10 7 48 262 Ryan Hoag WR Gustavus Adolphus
2002
1 1 17 17 Phillip Buchanon DB Miami (FL)
2 1 23 23 Napoleon Harris LB Northwestern
3 2 21 53 Langston Walker T California
4 2 23 55 Doug Jolley TE Brigham Young
5 5 12 147 Kenyon Coleman DE UCLA
6 6 17 189 Keyon Nash DB Albany State
7 6 25 197 Larry Ned RB San Diego State
8 7 24 235 Ronald Curry QB North Carolina
2001
1 1 28 28 Derrick Gibson DB Florida State
2 2 28 59 Marques Tuiasosopo QB Washington
3 3 27 89 DeLawrence Grant DE Oregon State
4 5 27 158 Raymond Perryman DB Northern Arizona
5 6 21 184 Chris Cooper DE Nebraska-Omaha
6 7 28 228 Derek Combs RB Ohio State
7 7 29 229 Ken-Yon Rambo WR Ohio State
2000
1 1 17 17 Sebastian Janikowski K Florida State
2 2 16 47 Jerry Porter WR West Virginia
3 4 13 107 Junior Ioane DT Arizona State
4 5 13 142 Shane Lechler P Texas A&M
5 7 21 227 Mondriel Fulcher RB Miami (FL)
6 7 25 231 Clifton Black DB Southwest Texas State
1999
1 1 18 18 Matt Stinchcomb T Georgia
2 2 9 40 Tony Bryant DE Florida State
3 4 7 102 Dameane Douglas WR California
4 5 13 146 Eric Barton LB Maryland
5 5 20 153 Roderick Coleman DE East Carolina
6 6 19 188 Daren Yancey DT Brigham Young
7 7 18 224 JoJuan Armour LB Miami (OH)
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1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1998
1 1 11 11 Tra Thomas T Florida State
2 3 11 72 Jeremiah Trotter LB Stephen F. Austin
3 3 24 85 Allen Rossum DB Notre Dame
4 4 20 112 Brandon Whiting DT California
5 4 24 116 Clarence Love DB Toledo
6 5 19 142 Ike Reese LB Michigan State
7 7 31 220 Chris Akins DT Texas
8 7 51 240 Melvin Thomas G Colorado
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1996 – St. Louis Rams: Prepared advisory reports for ownership during head coach search.
Did not participate in the draft, per wiki.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters.
1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
1991
1 1 2 2 Eric Turner DB UCLA
2 2 2 29 Ed King G Auburn
3 3 2 57 James Jones DT Northern Iowa
4 4 2 85 Pio Sagapulutele DT San Diego State
5 6 2 141 Michael Jackson WR Southern Mississippi
6 8 2 197 Frank Conover DT Syracuse
7 9 2 225 Raymond Irvin DB Central Florida
8 9 16 239 Shawn Wiggins WR Wyoming
9 10 2 252 Brian Greenfield P Pittsburgh
10 11 2 280 Todd Jones G Henderson State
11 12 2 308 Elijah Austin DT North Carolina State
1990
1 2 20 45 Leroy Hoard RB Michigan
2 3 20 73 Anthony Pleasant DE Tennessee State
3 4 20 101 Harlon Barnett DB Michigan State
4 5 20 129 Rob Burnett DE Syracuse
5 6 20 157 Randy Hilliard DB Northwestern State (LA)
6 7 13 178 Scott Galbraith TE USC
7 8 19 212 Jock Jones LB Virginia Tech
8 9 20 240 Eugene Rowell WR Southern Mississippi
9 10 20 268 Mike Wallace DB Jackson State
10 11 20 296 Clemente Gordon QB Grambling State
11 12 19 323 Kerry Simien WR Texas A&I
1989
1 1 13 13 Eric Metcalf RB Texas
2 2 3 31 Lawyer Tillman WR Auburn
3 4 23 107 Andrew Stewart DE Cincinnati
4 5 2 114 Kyle Kramer DB Bowling Green
5 5 4 116 Vernon Joines WR Maryland
6 6 21 160 Gary Wilkerson DB Penn State
7 7 20 187 Mike Graybill T Boston University
8 8 19 214 Rick Aeilts TE Southeast Missouri State
9 10 23 274 John Buddenberg T Akron
10 11 22 301 Dan Plocki K Maryland
11 12 21 328 Marlon Brown LB Memphis State
1988
1 1 21 21 Clifford Charlton LB Florida
2 2 23 50 Michael Dean Perry DT Clemson
3 3 22 77 Van Waiters LB Indiana
4 4 21 103 Anthony Blaylock DB Winston-Salem State
5 7 23 188 Thane Gash DB East Tennessee State
6 8 23 216 J.J. Birden WR Oregon
7 9 23 244 Danny Copeland DB Eastern Kentucky
8 10 23 272 Brian Washington DB Nebraska
9 11 23 300 Hendley Hawkins WR Nebraska
10 12 23 328 Steve Slayden QB Duke
1987
1 1 5 5 Mike Junkin LB Duke
2 2 4 32 Gregg Rakoczy C Miami (FL)
3 3 24 80 Tim Manoa RB Penn State
4 3 26 82 Jeff Jaeger K Washington
5 6 25 165 Stephen Braggs DB Texas
6 8 25 220 Steve Bullitt LB Texas A&M
7 10 25 276 Frank Winters C Western Illinois
8 11 24 303 Larry Brewton DB Temple
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wiki on jobs
I recognize that Lombardi didn't specifically pick each player on his own, or had the 'final word' on who was picked, mostly had input, but I shudder to think of his picks here if he were the 'final word' on who we take.
I am firmly in the 'keep Heckert' camp, it would be nice to see a 'grass-root' effort towards Haslam in favor of keeping Heckert, signs at the games, etc. To show that we recognize in his three drafts/years he has brought more talent to this team than at any time since our return.
Statistics are like a bikini; what they show is interesting, but what they hide is vital.
Drive for show (1st round), Putt for dough (rest of draft).
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No. Please no. Really, no. Oh god please no. As someone who REALLY doesn't like Shurmur, i'd rather sign him to a 10 year extension.
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If that comes to pass, I'm pretty sure that I will be finished as an active Browns fan.
I'll watch a game every now & then, but I will no longer care whether they win or lose, won't care who's playing for the team, won't care who the coach is- or pretty much anything else.
I have stayed with this team for over 40 years, because I always held out hope that they might finally "get it right." After seeing what Heckert has done in just 2 short years, I'm convinced that HE'S gotten it right. If the new ownership can't see that, then they are too stupid to retain my loyalty.
There comes a time when even a rabid dawg stops chasing his own tail.
Lombardi? To replace Heckert? I don't need to stick around to see the train wreck that this team will become. Again.
Exactly. I think a lot of fans will take this route if Banner does this. I know I will.
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Man that just turns my stomach...
But, there is light at the end of the tunnel if you think about what Banner said.
he said he feels as if the HC should have final say on the roster. Which means that Lombardi won't be making that decision.
Since I don't see them allowing Shurmur to make those decisions, it means he's probably gone also.
So, now we get Lombardi as a puppet (point and click) type GM and a TOP SHELF HC like Reid and boom there you have it.
My only question is, is Reid done? has he had his run and has he got anything left in the tank?
It's funny, but since Heckert left the Eagles, they've pretty much regressed. Is that because of Heckert being gone? Was he more important to that team then they are willing to admit?
Or was it that they tried to blow a load of money for the one big push and it didn't work? Combine that with injuries and you have what you have.
If Reids still got it, and I see no evidence of that, I bet he's the pick.
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I'm creating a 'Keep Tom Heckert' profile on Facebook. Look for it by that name . . .
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i NEVER agree with Lombardi when he talks during draft time.. omg.. I would hate that.
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Put me down on record on saying if Heckert is let go or leaves it will be the biggest mistake since Art moved the team out of Cleveland. Throw in any stupid stupid smiley faces you want here but I for one would be pissed.
I would be unbelievably pissed.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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If that comes to pass, I'm pretty sure that I will be finished as an active Browns fan.
I'll watch a game every now & then, but I will no longer care whether they win or lose, won't care who's playing for the team, won't care who the coach is- or pretty much anything else.
I have stayed with this team for over 40 years, because I always held out hope that they might finally "get it right." After seeing what Heckert has done in just 2 short years, I'm convinced that HE'S gotten it right. If the new ownership can't see that, then they are too stupid to retain my loyalty.
There comes a time when even a rabid dawg stops chasing his own tail.
Lombardi? To replace Heckert? I don't need to stick around to see the train wreck that this team will become. Again.
Exactly. I think a lot of fans will take this route if Banner does this. I know I will.
If this comes to pass, not only would I be completely done with this team, but I'd tell them to go ahead an move the team to L.A. - may as well, because they clearly wouldn't be serious about producing a winner here.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I'm creating a 'Keep Tom Heckert' profile on Facebook. Look for it by that name . . .
Here it is . . .
http://www.facebook.com/KeepHeckert?ref=stream
Pass it around . . .
And as much as I want to keep Heckert, it would be hard for me to be too judgemental about Lombardi's work in Oakland. The Crypt Keeper had ENORMOUS involvement. . .
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I'm creating a 'Keep Tom Heckert' profile on Facebook. Look for it by that name . . .
Here it is . . .
http://www.facebook.com/KeepHeckert?ref=stream
Pass it around . . .
And as much as I want to keep Heckert, it would be hard for me to be too judgemental about Lombardi's work in Oakland. The Crypt Keeper had ENORMOUS involvement. . .
All we have to do is judge him on his time here.
He was promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992.
From above, here are the Drafts from that time until The Move:
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1995
1 1 30 30 Craig Powell LB Ohio State
2 3 20 84 Eric Zeier QB Georgia
3 3 30 94 Mike Frederick DE Virginia
4 5 2 136 Tau Pupua DT Weber State
5 5 13 147 Mike Miller WR Notre Dame
6 7 23 231 A.C. Tellison WR Miami (FL)
1994
1 1 9 9 Antonio Langham DB Alabama
2 1 29 29 Derrick Alexander WR Michigan
3 3 10 75 Romeo Bandison DT Oregon
4 5 10 141 Isaac Booth DB California
5 6 10 171 Robert Strait RB Baylor
6 7 9 203 Andre Hewitt T Clemson
1993
1 1 14 14 Steve Everitt C Michigan
2 2 13 42 Dan Footman DE Florida State
3 3 27 83 Mike Caldwell LB Middle Tennessee State
4 5 12 124 Herman Arvie T Grambling State
5 6 13 153 Rich McKenzie LB Penn State
6 7 12 180 Travis Hill LB Nebraska
1992
1 1 9 9 Tommy Vardell RB Stanford
2 2 24 52 Patrick Rowe WR San Diego State
3 3 9 65 Bill Johnson DT Michigan State
4 3 22 78 Gerald Dixon LB South Carolina
5 6 3 143 Rico Smith WR Colorado
6 6 23 163 George Williams DT Notre Dame
7 7 9 177 Selwyn Jones DB Colorado State
8 9 9 233 Tim Hill DB Kansas
9 10 8 260 Marcus Lowe DT Baylor
10 11 9 289 Augustin Olobia WR Washington State
11 12 8 316 Keithen McCant QB Nebraska
12 12 21 329 Tim Simpson C Illinois
Anyone have any information on Free Agents we brought in from '92 to '95?
I think that this is all the indictment we need.
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This is the only way I get on board with this. A big name coach will want roster control and if that is the reasoning I may be on board. Depending who the coach is.
But I am still firmly in the "keep Heckert" camp.
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Andre Reison (sp?) was brought in, Prpl. Seemed fantastic at the time . . .
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If that comes to pass, I'm pretty sure that I will be finished as an active Browns fan.
I'll watch a game every now & then, but I will no longer care whether they win or lose, won't care who's playing for the team, won't care who the coach is- or pretty much anything else.
I have stayed with this team for over 40 years, because I always held out hope that they might finally "get it right." After seeing what Heckert has done in just 2 short years, I'm convinced that HE'S gotten it right. If the new ownership can't see that, then they are too stupid to retain my loyalty.
There comes a time when even a rabid dawg stops chasing his own tail.
Lombardi? To replace Heckert? I don't need to stick around to see the train wreck that this team will become. Again.
Exactly. I think a lot of fans will take this route if Banner does this. I know I will.
Count me in as well.
There is something particularly appealing about being free to choose my new 'favorite' team. This is the trigger that will get me there.
As much as I love the intensity, fire, and genuine care that Haslam seems to bring to this team ... let's be honest ... he's completely a fish out of water. There is just an equal chance his decisions could continue to drive this once proud franchise into the ground as there is he would turn it around. He's already made a huge mistake by hiring Banner and giving him all that control. It looks likes it's going to continue to go downhill from there.
And if they get rid of Heckert then Haslam is talking out both sides of his mouth ... he just recently said this team is very close ... well, who the hell do you think is responsible for that Jimmy?
Jimmy is clueless and is being led by Banner who he thinks is awesome for some reason.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I think you have to remember,, Belichick had a big hand in those drafts.. How much he controlled it is something I don't think we'll ever really know.
But without a doubt, we know he was very controlling. Even more so then than he is today or so he says..
I don't want Lombardi here mostly because when I listen to him, I get nauseated.. But I can't lay all the blame on him for those drafts..
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This is depressing. Heckert absolutely nailed the last draft and did extremely well with 2011, too. It seems like Banner just hates him over some personal stuff back in Philly. That explains why Heckert seemed to figure Banner's arrival meant he had to look a new gig. If that's the case, it bodes very poorly for us going forward under this guy.
There's just no way that you would look at this team's trajectory and say, "We need a new GM." Coach? Sure. But not GM. Who would have thought Lerner selling the team to someone who actually likes football would set us back?
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Who would have thought Lerner selling the team to someone who actually likes football would set us back?
::raises hand::
Whether or not they like football means absolutely NOTHING. Whether or not the owner is a nice, approachable guy means absolutely NOTHING.
Whether or not the owner ever attends a single practice or game means absolutely NOTHING.
The ONLY thing that matters is that a structure gets created by him in the Front Office that is solid and stable at the very top, and that good hires happen below that.
That's it. That's the one and only thing, besides writing checks that don't bounce, that an owner has to do.
All the rest of that crap is flavor & personality for the media.
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We haven't been set back. YET . . .
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Who would have thought Lerner selling the team to someone who actually likes football would set us back?
::raises hand::
Whether or not they like football means absolutely NOTHING. Whether or not the owner is a nice, approachable guy means absolutely NOTHING.
Whether or not the owner ever attends a single practice or game means absolutely NOTHING.
The ONLY thing that matters is that a structure gets created by him in the Front Office that is solid and stable at the very top, and that good hires happen below that.
That's it. That's the one and only thing, besides writing checks that don't bounce, that an owner has to do.
All the rest of that crap is flavor & personality for the media.
I agree,
When the sale was first announced and some said oh great now we have an active owner who cares I said be careful what you wish for.
The more I read about the possible moves we will make the more I am starting as others have said start to disattach from the team because instead of heading up which I really feel we are doing its starting to sound like ego's are possibly starting to show through the cracks in the new FO's armor.
I think Heckert can draft for any system and scheme the guy is the best GM we have had from the return Im not on facebook but may have to actually join just to friend (or whatever its called) that page.
I'm quickly becoming numb from the Browns being dumb.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Im not on facebook but may have to actually join just to friend (or whatever its called) that page.
We are now 6 members strong!!! 
http://www.facebook.com/KeepHeckert
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Ok I signed up and liked the page. 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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j/c Grossi hit the nail on the head here, imo. Quote:
Joe Banner's refusal to dispel rumors of Mike Lombardi replacing Tom Heckert is troubling
Dec 04, 2012 -- 6:00am
By Tony Grossi
The Morning Kickoff …
Say it ain’t so, Joe: Hub Arkush, publisher and editor of Pro Football Weekly, is the latest to report that Mike Lombardi, the smooth-talking NFL Network analyst, is the top choice of Joe Banner to replace Tom Heckert as Browns general manager.
Arkush first reported his information on a syndicated radio show over the weekend. Arkush isn’t one to throw rumors against a wall and see which ones stick, so his report was particularly troubling to me.
I contacted him via email to ascertain exactly what he reported.
He responded: “We have it confidentially from very good sources close to the story that Mike is a strong front-runner for the job. If you work (your) way backwards you'll find a Banner/Lombardi connection in Philly. Problem is Tom Heckert still has the job and if he's fired then there's the Rooney rule . . . But we believe once the dust settles it'll be Mike.”
Arkush is the third national reporter or analyst to link Lombardi to Cleveland. The first, I believe, was Clark Judge of CBSSports.com, who casually threw out Lombardi’s name as a possibility to replace Heckert back in August when it was commonly believed that Banner would join owner Jimmy Haslam as Browns CEO.
Jason LaCanfora, also of CBSSports.com, has since reported and spoken on a few occasions of a Lombardi-Banner reunion in Cleveland.
Banner hired Lombardi in Philadelphia in 1997 as a personnel consultant to owner Jeff Lurie. At the time of the fledgling Banner-built Eagles organization, Lombardi was the perfect draftnik to join the personnel department. He had a gift for memorizing heights, weights, 40 times and scouting reports written by others.
Lombardi departed the Eagles when Andy Reid replaced Ray Rhodes as coach. Lombardi has maintained a friendly relationship with Banner.
Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
Banner has conspicuously refused to dispel this rumor.
Woe is us: I requested an interview with Banner on Monday to discuss Lombardi. Neal Gulkis, Browns spokesman, responded via text message that Banner stands by previous statements to reporters on this matter.
Banner said to Nate Ulrich of the Akron Beacon Journal on Lombardi: “Since I haven’t even decided whether the people that are here are staying or going, I think speculation that I’m actually deciding or have decided who I’d bring in if we made a change is not right.”
Banner said to Mary Kay Cabot of The Plain Dealer: “Since I haven't even decided whether I'm keeping the people that are here, at best it's wild speculation and in this case it's unfounded. Somebody's taking a shot in the dark. They could be right or they could be wrong."
They could be right or they could be wrong?
If Banner replaces Heckert with Lombardi – and if Haslam approves it – the Browns should move their family-produced reality series from the Travel Channel to an episode on Ripley’s Believe It or Not.
Because it would be a regrettable decision that would kill the credibility of Haslam and Banner as a formidable management team in the NFL. It would sap the positive energy of the ownership change.
It would remind us in Cleveland that as bad as it’s been, it could always get worse.
What the heck are they thinking?
No relation to Vince, by the way: Lombardi arrived in Cleveland in 1987 as an energetic personnel wannabe after being fired by Bill Walsh in San Francisco.
After the Marty Schottenheimer and then Bud Carson eras crumbled, Lombardi latched on to Bill Belichick’s coattails and effectively undermined and marginalized Ernie Accorsi, the GM who built the Browns’ five playoff teams of the late 1980s.
Accorsi saw what was happening and departed in Belichick’s second season in 1992, leaving the young coach little choice but to rely on Lombardi for personnel decisions. Their five drafts together were some of the worst in Browns’ history.
Belichick cultivated much better talent off the field. While so many of his proteges went on to bigger and better things – Ozzie Newsome, Scott Pioli, Mike Tannenbaum, Phil Savage, Jim Schwartz, to name a few – Lombardi bounced around to mid-level personnel positions before settling in on his true calling as an “insider” on NFL Network.
Lombardi is known in NFL circles for soliciting job interviews with clubs, only to be repeatedly denied. Why wouldn’t Belichick hire him with the Patriots?
In his role as NFL Network analyst, Lombardi has assailed Heckert's Trent Richardson-Brandon Weeden draft -- perhaps Heckert's greatest work -- as a "panic disaster." He also lambasted the supplemental draft pick of Josh Gordon as a "wasted draft pick." Lombardi recently changed his tune when Banner assumed a position of power under Haslam.
Banner might not be totally honest when he says he hasn’t decided on Heckert’s future.
He has structured the Browns’ organization so that football operations reports directly to him, and not to Haslam. In his contract with former President Mike Holmgren, the de facto owner, Heckert held total football authority in the organization. He had final say on the draft and the final roster.
Banner has indicated he will take over that authority. If so, that would change Heckert’s job description. I can see Banner positioning Heckert’s exit by saying it was Heckert’s decision to move on.
Heckert declined to discuss his future. He said, “If they want to make a change, then that’s what they’re going to do. I honestly can’t and don’t worry about it.”
I don’t like the sound of this at all.
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Gotta love grossi. Banner says he won't discuss job openings that aren't open so that obviously means some unconfirmed rumor is true
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Gotta love grossi. Banner says he won't discuss job openings that aren't open so that obviously means some unconfirmed rumor is true
I'm not one to defend media types, least of all Grossi. But all he's doing here is reporting that another reporter is saying Lombardi looks like the next Browns GM and under that assumption, he's saying it worries him.
Well, if it turns out to be true, worries me also,
Lombardi is about the last person I want back here.
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Over the top? Probably. Hopefully.
This has been around for a while, and these usually don't seem to stick around this long unless there's some bit of truth behind it, albeit minimal. And minimal attached to Lombardi is 200% too much.
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In his role as NFL Network analyst, Lombardi has assailed Heckert's Trent Richardson-Brandon Weeden draft -- perhaps Heckert's greatest work -- as a "panic disaster." He also lambasted the supplemental draft pick of Josh Gordon as a "wasted draft pick."
 
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In his role as NFL Network analyst, Lombardi has assailed Heckert's Trent Richardson-Brandon Weeden draft -- perhaps Heckert's greatest work -- as a "panic disaster." He also lambasted the supplemental draft pick of Josh Gordon as a "wasted draft pick."
Jeez, I REALLY hope Gordon doesn't average at least 89 yards per game these last 4 games...
I would of hated to waste a draft pick on a 1000 yard WR...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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In his role as NFL Network analyst, Lombardi has assailed Heckert's Trent Richardson-Brandon Weeden draft -- perhaps Heckert's greatest work -- as a "panic disaster." He also lambasted the supplemental draft pick of Josh Gordon as a "wasted draft pick."
Jeez, I REALLY hope Gordon doesn't average at least 89 yards per game these last 4 games...
I would of hated to waste a draft pick on a 1000 yard WR...
By assailing those picks, he's essentially saying he wouldn't have picked those folks. I wonder, would he have given away the ship to get RG3?
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i don't have a problem with Grossi saying that he doesn't want anything to do with Lombardi.
i do have a problem with him insinuating that because Banner turned him down for an interview based on a question he already answered that it means there is truth to the rumor.
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Wow, I gotta get a job as a sports writer.Grossi is writing a news article/story based on a news article from a "very good source" close to the situation. That has already been reported on twice before!
Here could be my first story:
I have it from a reliable source close to someone who once knew someone in the Browns new ownership group that Jimmy Haslam once thought about hiring Gene Fullmer as the new coach of the Cleveland Browns and he is currently considered a front runner, or maybe not.
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Here could be my first story:
I have it from a reliable source close to someone who once knew someone in the Browns new ownership group that Jimmy Haslam once thought about hiring Gene Fullmer as the new coach of the Cleveland Browns and he is currently considered a front runner, or maybe not.
Son of a .. If this is true I'm not sticking around to see what happens with this team.  
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Replacing Tom Heckert with Mike Lombardi would be like having Shaquille O'Neal shooting free throws for Mark Price.
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Doesn't Grossi have a feud with Lombardi dating back to the pre-move days?
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Doesn't Grossi have a feud with Lombardi dating back to the pre-move days?
I don't know, but reading this story it sure seems that way.
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