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Doesn't Grossi have a feud with Lombardi dating back to the pre-move days?
I honestly have no idea, but it would shed some light on his intentions. But really, who doesn't Grossi have a feud with anymore? 
Seriously though, given Lombardi's draft history, I'm having a hard time disagreeing with him, feud or not.
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If Haslam starts bringing in, or allows Banner to bring in, all of his old buddies, then I will officially start to lose interest and accept that they were all lying when they said they were doing their due diligence and exhaustive searches and blahblahblah...
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Tony Grossi: The New Roger Brown.
This must also mean we are talking to Gruden, Saban, and Cowher to take over this team.
We're probably also trying to resurrect the career of Favre, too.
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This must also mean we are talking to Gruden, Saban, and Cowher to take over this team.
We're probably also trying to resurrect the career of Favre, too.
If this were coming sheerly through Grossi, then I would feel much better about it. Unfortunately, it's actually coming from respected source [Pro Football Weekly editor Hub Arkush].
That is what has me worried. I do agree with Grossi that hiring Lombardi would be a disaster, regardless of why he has that opinion. IMO, Lombardi's track record speaks for itself.
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I think that was more Belichick then Lombardi,, but damn, that's really taxing my memory..LOL
But I don't see any problem with him reporting what's being reported by someone else. Grossi isn't the one starting this rumor.. Unless he told the guy that started the rumor in the first place. He'd never cop to that of course. And if he had that info his pocket, he'd want to be the one to scoop everyone.
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I guess the rumor now is if Nick Saban were to leave for the NFL, Mike Lombardi would be his GM "one million percent" which you can connect the dots from there.
It's that time of the year again.
I still think Pat has enough time to save his job. I don't know about Heckert. It seems like it could be a mutual thing. I wish he would stay but I understand the whole issue.
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Maybe Banner is being honest when he said he has not decided yet. My impression of earlier interviews was that he would prefer the coach have final say over the 53 man roster.In which case I would expect and experienced head coach. I wouldn't think they would give that kind of authority to a first time head coach. Now if they brought in a Cowher, Gruden type of name guy that would require control of the roster that would probably mean Heckert would want out.
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My God, I wish Gruden's name would just go away.
Is there some form of exorcism-type rite that can be performed to prevent him from being associated with this team ever again?
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Is there some form of exorcism-type rite that can be performed to prevent him from being associated with this team ever again?
Haslam is trying to get him hired at UTn specifically so he can stop showing up in Browns trade rumors. You can't say he isn't doing his best for the fans 
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Not completely... we do have a groundskeeper vacancy in Berea.
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We are now 6 members strong!!! 
http://www.facebook.com/KeepHeckert
The community has almost doubled since I got home from work today.
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Count me down as number 85. Any guy that says he thought that Gordon was a "wasted pick" clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. If there's not someone that is currently available that could do a better job than why on earth would you replace someone? I remembered when we got Heckert and was happy about it. I DEFINITELY do not want that sense of comfort (if there truly is any) to go away on draft day that I can count that the Browns making the correct draft picks. Personally, I don't really see why Banner was hired in the first place....... 
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Well .... I questioned the Gordon pick, especially with a 2nd round pick. I am ever so happy to have been wrong ..... and if anyone wants to tell me what a fool I was to have doubted that Gordon would turn into what he has, especially as quickly as he has, I'll be happy to take it.
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I'm not a subscriber over there but people tell me that the OBR is reporting that Lombardi is a done deal and that basically the only ones left in Berea will be Banner and Haslam.
I hope this isn't true. But I am afraid it is.
I was a Colts fan when Johnny U. was there (yes, I am old) and I guess I can go back to the blue and white. Because I'm not watching this train wreck if they hire Mike Lombardi as GM. Not only will he gut the coaching staff, he'll gut the roster, too. I cannot and will not pay to see that happen.
Personally, I think we need a massive email campaign to Berea to voice our displeasure with this idea. Jimmy Joe needs to know that while Browns fans are loyal and patient we are not stupid. We will walk away if push comes to shove.
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The way I see it is if there is any truth to this rumor at all then it has to be coming from Lombardi himself because he can't keep his mouth shut. Or he's trying to set up a sense of panic that will make Heckert jump ship at the first opportunity, and who could blame him? Either way if someone I was discussing such an important issue started blabbing to the press the next time he stepped in my office it would not be pretty. "Oh, Mr. Lombardi, come on in. Don't mind the plastic on the floor. We're getting ready to do some work in here..."
Lombardi has used rumor and innuendo throughout his "career". Anyone insane enough to include him in their organization is not someone I want anything to do with at any level.
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Yeah, I filed that one under "Be careful what you're asking for because you might live long enough to regret it."
I think this whole Haslam/Banner The Sky is Falling thing is really getting out of hand. If I had to bet on it today, I'd put money on Heckert keeping his job.
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I hope Heckert stays, but I don't see a scenario where that can happen short of the Browns winning out while doing so in a very impressive manner.
Haslam's chosen structure differs significantly from Holmgren's and Heckert, and as good as he is, he doesn't fit into that structure.
Haslam and Banner could never come out during the season and say Heckert will be following Holmgren out the door. The only thing they could say is that they'll evaluate at the end of the year. Heckert knows the score.
It'll take a MAJOR upset for Heckert to be retained. The deal with Lombardi doesn't give me the giggles but if the power over personnel no longer lies with the GM but with the head coach then that changes things.
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j/c Sign the petition to keep Heckert: Keep Heckert Petition
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And we've already seen and debated a statement that certainly refused to give that promise.
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I hope Heckert stays, but I don't see a scenario where that can happen short of the Browns winning out while doing so in a very impressive manner.
I really don't know why I feel this way, can't put a finger on it, but I think the decision is already been made that Heckert is gone
It might be reports that after Haslam bought the team and Banners name came up, he began looking for a new job. it might be all this talk about Lombardi. It might be that he hasn't spoken in public that I've seen or heard.
Any/all of those may be what's pushing me in the direction that he's gone. How they will describe it is another story all together.
I really don't think it matters at all what they do the rest of the season. I get the feeling that the same is true for Shurmur.
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Maybe some good news on the Heckert / Lombardi front ... I think Haslam / Banner are seeing the swell of fan reaction on this one. http://www.foxsportsohio.com/12/06/12/So...amp;feedID=3659Quote:
BEREA -- Tom Heckert’s future as General Manager of the Cleveland Browns could rest on whether he will have final say regarding the roster.
That’s the word from several NFL insiders contacted in light of the recent reports that the Browns would bring in Mike Lombardi as GM, a move the insiders called not nearly as likely as it’s been portrayed.
It seems possible Heckert could stay -- provided he retains control over the roster and the draft, which he has in his present contract.
Sources said that new owner Jimmy Haslam and CEO Joe Banner have been impressed with Heckert’s work, but Banner and Haslam also have said that Banner will be involved in personnel, and that football will report to Banner.
What that means specifically has not been spelled out. If Heckert has control of football with Banner evaluating him, Heckert could stay. If Banner insists on being involved in personnel and having final say over the roster and the draft, it could lead to Heckert’s departure.
In the NFL, Banner is viewed as very effective managing the salary cap and in business matters. But he’s not considered a personnel guy. Heckert is, and to stay he wants to retain what he has. If he doesn’t stay in Cleveland, he would be in demand -- Carolina has a GM opening, and a team like San Diego might.
The decision could come down to two factors: Banner’s willingness to cede control of football decisions to Heckert, and Haslam’s willingness to step in to ensure Heckert stays. The owner ultimately decides the organizational chart, so if Haslam decides Heckert deserves final say, that’s the way things will work. Which might set up an interesting early scenario for the new owner: Does he back the guy he picked to be CEO, or does he back Heckert?
Or does he simply find a way to bring both into a room and work out an agreement that would make both happy, a scenario more in line with the way he has said he would run the team.
Heckert declined to comment, and Banner reiterated through the team’s media relations department what he has previously said, that he would not get into discussions about the future while there is a GM in place and the season continuing. Banner previously told the Plain Dealer the Lombardi reports are “wild speculation” and “unfounded” and said “somebody’s taking a shot in the dark.”
Lombardi appeared on Philadelphia Daily News Live on ComcastSportsNet in Philadelphia (www.csnphilly.com), and was asked directly about Cleveland.
“There’s really not a lot of substance to the conversation,” he said. “There’s just a lot of rumors and innuendos. There’s really nothing to it.”
Lombardi said he hadn’t talked to anyone with the Browns and he’s content with the NFL Network.
“I’ve had none of that interest yet,” he said, “and I don’t think this is the time for it because people are still in jobs.”
Hub Arkush, the Publisher and Editor of Pro Football Weekly, started the Lombardi mill churning. Arkush is connected and respected, so he clearly is reporting what he’s been told by his connections.
The situation will play out when the season ends, but this is the time of year when chatter is prevalent, about coaches and GMs.
Heckert tried to shrug off questions about his future when news broke on the first day of training camp that Randy Lerner was going to sell the team. But privately he, like everyone else with the Browns, knew he was facing uncertainty. He contacted friends around the league to discuss the future.
His actions weren’t unusual, nor should they have been a surprise. Ownership change often brings upheaval. As the season progressed, Heckert became a little more vocal about wanting to stay, and that feeling has grown stronger as the season has progressed.
Heckert’s three drafts have produced 12 starters (counting injured guard Jason Pinkston and receiver Josh Gordon from the supplemental draft), with several others contributing. He made an old team young, and added depth in positions of need (like defensive line).
His first two rounds have brought RB Trent Richardson, QB Brandon Weeden, OT Mitchell Schwartz, DT Phil Taylor, DE Jabaal Sheard, WR Greg Little, CB Joe Haden, S T.J. Ward and Gordon.
Those players are the core of the Browns future, a future people in the league feel is bright.
The past three years, too, Heckert has been hamstrung by the Browns refusal to spend money in free agency. The team has always denied they were stopped from spending on free agents, but the Browns went from being free spenders to barely signing anyone. The sale of the team from Randy Lerner to Haslam combined with empty suites and seats might indicate the Browns had a cash-flow issue.
Haslam will infuse money, and a new attitude. Though he has yet to go through free agency, it would be a surprise if the free agency reins weren’t loosened.
Will Heckert stay?
It depends on him keeping what is already in his contract: The ability to be the man in charge of football and roster decisions.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Haslam may want to bring in "his" guys so that they can say that they built the winner and didn't inherit, but the other way of viewing it is that no matter who is in those positions, it will be Haslam's guys because he will be choosing whether to keep or replace.
So, no matter what, his stamp will be on whatever team ends up winning here (if we ever do) even if we keep Heckert & Shurmur... it's simply his choice as to whether or not we're destroying all current progress just for the sake of clearing house.
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Haslam is a pretty smart businessman, and I truly believe that he will sit down with Heckert and Banner and work out some sort of agreement to make both men happy.
I have found that most really good businessmen aren't as concerned about who gets the credit as they are that the job get done in the best possible fashion. I could see massive changes if the Browns were trending downward, or flatlined, but they are definitely seen as a team on the rise, with talent at numerous positions. It makes sense to keep the guy who put that talent together, and I believe that's what he'll do.
Shurmur's future is much more iffy IMHO I could see him staying .... but ........ I do think that's much less likely, because the biggest way for a new owner/administration to put their stamp on a new team is with the head coach. I could see them keeping Shurmur ..... but really only if the team is playing so well by year's end that they make it almost impossible to fire him. I would think that something like winning out, with continuous improvement over these final 4 games ...... and with a convincing victory over Pittsburgh in the final weekend of the year should just about do it. In other words, I don't see it as likely ..... but I do think that it's possible.
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Anyone see the possibility of Shurmer being demoted to OC with Banner and Haslam putting their own coach in place?
And the next head coach is ......
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Almost none.
I cannot imagine a head coach accepting such a demotion to stay with his current team. It would be much better to move on to a new team and maybe get another shot at a head coaching gig.
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Almost none.
I cannot imagine a head coach accepting such a demotion to stay with his current team. It would be much better to move on to a new team and maybe get another shot at a head coaching gig.
I remember when Washington hired Zorn to be their OC... BEFORE they hired a HC. And everyone (correctly) thought they were crazy...
Then they just made him HC...
Different idea... But still crazy..
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Not suggesting it, just asking the question.
And the next head coach is ......
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I imagine this would also create quite a conflict among the players. Their old boss is in the building, they might go to him instead of the head coach. It could also create a schism between players who liked Shurmur and players who like the new coach.
If Shurmur's title had "interim" in front of it I would say there is a chance. But there is a reason this system has never been tried before in the NFL.
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Frankly, I hope Haslam keeps Tom. Personnel decisions are tough, and drafts are very tough, but I like what Heckert has done and I'd like to see him build on that. I hope Haslam will allow him to play around in FA.
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I'll say that if Haslam can honestly say to the press and to himself that this team has some real talent we can build on, then he has to keep Heckert. Because, outside of the very few guys we brought in before Heckert, most of this current talent are Heckert guys.
I think it would be a tough sell to say "boy, Heckert has done a really nice job. But we're firing him anyway."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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If Haslam wants Heckert gone, he'll save face by making Heckert an offer he can't refuse to make it look like it's Heckert's own decision. He's way to savvy to do it any other way.
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