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I mean he could be right, but if you look at Rieds overall success and all of the playoff appearances that Philly had under Ried, the evidence would point to Ried being a pretty good coach.

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If Reid gets credit, Banner gets credit for being good at his job.

I'm referencing your earlier question about whether Reid won in spite of Banner, and what happened after Banner left.

The relationships are always symbiotic. Reid got all the power this past season, gave Jackson his big contract, and did what he wanted with Castillo. The moves failed. Only Reid can be judged on those moves.

My only point regarding Banner was that he had more power than any of us actually knew. I had figured he did but had absolutely zero proof to back up my belief. Now I have the proof I've been wanting.

Yes, there are questions about Banner, but you gotta admit that our earlier discussions about his power over personnel here were based on what we now know to be non-factual observations. We didn't know he had as much power as he really did. That should give you and other fans a little better feeling knowing that he's going to have a say in the people here...just like he did in Philly.

More proof that he had more power in Philly means Joe Banner has to get more credit for their years of success.

Do we know that it was said as a direct statement?

I probably means that the new Browns ownership and Banner believe in McCoy and that they would make sure that he was on the team.

Furthermore, it's very likely that Haslam and Banner have had direct face-to-face discussions (interviews?) with each and every one of the existing players that they intend to keep on the roster.

As for telling McCoy (or any player for that matter) that they will be in the next coach's plans, it probably tells you more about what their philosophy is. I take it to mean that they fully intend to hire a HC (be it Kelly or any other candidate) that will use a scheme that uses McCoy's talents. That's clear, from what I can tell, from what perception that Weeden is probably being shopped too. Weeden doesn't fit into Kelly's scheme or that of any of the offenses that are likely to be run by the Browns next HC no matter who that is.

They are going to bring in a HC that will be able to use a mobile QB, hence the pursuit of Chip Kelly. Weeden isn't mobile and his age is probably a detriment to fitting in with whatever offense that the new regime will bring in. Plus, they probably don't intend on spending more than 1 draft pick (and a late rounder at that) on a QB and maybe no pick at all on one. They might wait for one of the UDFA types like Case Keenum or Kellen Moore from last season and go that route. Of course, if they can get a mobile QB somewhere in the draft that they like, they could always go that route.

I don't think they necessarily consider it. Like I said, they're going to bring in the HC that will run an offense that they want and with the players that they're going to retain and draft.

Remember that it doesn't seem to be a big concern with Kelly about who the players are that he has on the roster. He's going to run an offense that makes the most use of the talent that he has. Weeden obviously doesn't fit the type of offense that Haslam and Banner want, so he's very likely going to be gone from the roster in one way or another.

Of the remaining QBs on the roster (McCoy and Lewis - and even Johnson), McCoy is likely the one best suited to the offense that they want to run. I wouldn't even be surprised if McCoy's name came up in the interview process.

You're right and Haslam and Banner also said that the next HC would ultimately make that decision. As of right now, those asst. coaches are under contract and have jobs. It will be seen whether the next HC keeps any of them around.

Of course, giving those asst. coaches permission to seek employment elsewhere is just good business sense. It gives them the ability to seek a better opportunity.

Why do you think that he would lie? What purpose would it serve?

jc

Funny how everything on this board gets questioned for validity to the extreme except this statement that McCoy was told ... We are all assuming that this did indeed happen.

There is a lot of that going on only because Lombardi was in Cleveland during the '80s and as having a hand in firing Bernie Kosar. However, as I understand it, Belichick had more to do with that than Lombardi did.

I agree that it is not beyond the realm of possibility. I just think it is funny that this statement is what we choose to accept as fact beyond dispute.

That probably has to do with what I stated about McCoy fitting into any system that the HC (whether it was Kelly or anyone else) that would be brought in.

To me, even though the system that Kelly would likely bring would be simple in execution, Weeden doesn't have the smarts to execute it effectively.

That and it goes along with my own view that they Haslam & Banner have no intention of bringing in another QB with a top draft pick.

Wow ... based on what?

Weeden had much of the WCO down as a rookie who had never played in that type of offense.

I don't see any superior sense of intelligence in McCoy's play last year .... or this year, for that matter.

McCoy has better wheels and a lesser arm. That's about where I place him in comparison to Weeden. I see no evidence that he's any smarter than Weeden. Actually Weeden, in many ways, operated Shurmur's complex WCO better than McCoy did last year.

This article is very difficult to read. I have a hard time excepting much of it as fact. Here are a few things that may be factual.D.McNabb still thinks he can play in the NFL.Andy Reid is probably McNabbs only chance to ever get another shot in the NFL.So if he has any aspirations of ever playing pro ball again he has a motive to come out in support of Reid now.The writer just sounds like guy pissed off that the Eagles may not get their first choice HC.

I'm not arguing for Weeden to be a WCO QB. I think that he is miscast in that type of offense. I think that he would be much better in a vertical offense ...... actually one similar to what the Patriots run.

Hey, lets back off McCoy for throwing all those passes into the dirt. He said he was doing it on purpose because the linemen were tired from so much pass blocking.

j/c

Jay Glazer of FOX Sports reports that the Browns have requested permission to interview Vikings Assistant General Manager. George Paton. Glazer also reports that the Panthers have asked for the same permission and have a meeting set with Paton next week. Paton has been with the Vikings for six years and worked with their general manager Rick Spielman in Miami as well.

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Now THAT would surprise the Hell out of me. I think I've even said they wouldn't hire a GM and a personnel guy because they have hired guys to do much of the GM's job already.