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I have never seen a HC take over a team that bad and dump 90% of the roster, load them up with first and 2nd year players and compete to the bitter end with everyone they face. Usually an overhaul like that equates total disaster and the team quitting. These kids play hard and we are a few rookie mistakes away from being playoff contenders this year.
I think everyone should be excited about this team instead of wanting another blow up. Makes no sense to me.
For me, you're preaching to the choir.
For most, I think that this will fall on deaf ears 
Count me in on that choir...
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I have never seen a HC take over a team that bad and dump 90% of the roster, load them up with first and 2nd year players and compete to the bitter end with everyone they face. Usually an overhaul like that equates total disaster and the team quitting. These kids play hard and we are a few rookie mistakes away from being playoff contenders this year.
I think everyone should be excited about this team instead of wanting another blow up. Makes no sense to me.
For me, you're preaching to the choir.
For most, I think that this will fall on deaf ears
Count me in on that choir...
i'm hesitantly in.
i hesitate because i only want Haslam/Banner keeping people if they are fully committed to them. if they are keeping them on a 1 year stay (ala Mangini), then it's a waste.
either they fully believe they have the right team, their direction, philosophies, and football acumen. or they don't.
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I have no doubt in my mind that Alex Smith is an upgrade over Brandon Weeden.
The question is how much would he cost?
SF of course would leverage the best offer they can get. His value would be market driven. Mid first round pick to high second round would be my guess.
Alex Smith won't draw a first or second rounder for compensation. He might get a fourth, but little more than that.
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Well, technically, it was the OC who did that ....... 
Anyway .... I keep hearing that Gruden the younger, the OC for the Bengals ...... is a likely name if we make a move.
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I almost don't care who the HC is...
AS LONG AS WE KEEP THE 4-3.
We are near the point where talent might be able to take over.
And as long as we don't go DRASTICALLY changing EVERYTHING.
We will be fine.
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I am a huge fan of the 3-4 .........
However, I want to keep the 4-3 we have in place. I really want to keep the 4-3 in place and keep Tom Heckert, because he has shown a real ability for finding talent for the 4-3.
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The 3-4 is probably the best Defense.. If you have the right people in it.
If you don't... Ugh...
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If Whisenhunt is fired he would be near the top of my list of my head coaches.
Another fired coach...what a way to build a team...
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If Whisenhunt is fired he would be near the top of my list of my head coaches.
Another fired coach...what a way to build a team...
Yes, because obviously a coach who has been fired as a Head Coach before will never be successful in his second tenure..
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Do you remember the Saban from Miami???
The one that begged for Drew Brees but was told no?
Yeah, I remember that guy.
Because that right there sums up his career as an NFL head coach. Some may also remember him as the head coach who was shut out by the Browns...
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Yes, because obviously a coach who has been fired as a Head Coach before will never be successful in his second tenure..
Model was moving the team to Baltimore...
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Another fired coach...what a way to build a team...
Fired by Buccaneers.
Fired by Jaguars.
Fired by Raiders.
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Yes, because obviously a coach who has been fired as a Head Coach before will never be successful in his second tenure..
Model was moving the team to Baltimore...
Yeah.. Because the Oilers fired their coach when they moved to Tennessee.. 
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Where is the zing, they didnt have 26 or 27 first and second year players on their roster. Colts were a Super Bowl contender that lost their QB and the HC couldnt turn to Peyton and say what do we do now. They didnt blow it up they just added a couple new pieces. They have a couple rookies and 2nd year guys playing. We have half the freaking starters on this team with pacifiers instead of mouth pieces.
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They didnt blow it up they just added a couple new pieces.
2/3 of their roster changed.
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Well, we have 17 of 53 players on our team with 5 or more years experience. Only 20 of 53 have 4 or more years experience.
36 of our players have 4 or fewer years experience. 33 have 3 or fewer years experience. That means that a little more than 62% of our roster has 3 or fewer years experience.
Now we do have 11 year veteran Scott Fujita, (who is almost certainly gone after this season) and 7 year veteran Chris Gocong (who very well could be gone after this year) are on IR, as are 6 other players who are rookies through having 2 years experience.
Man ... we are a really, really, really young team.
The Colts have 14 players with 5 or more years experience, and 19 of 53 with 4 or more years experience.
I didn't realize that they are even younger than us as far as overall number of players with 3 or fewer years experience.
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The consistent refusal to attempt to score before the end of the half.
The predictable clock killing when we have a lead.
Why do we call timeouts at the end of the half to force them to punt, then run out the clock?
This really kills me. I believe in the Dallas game we had a full 1:30 to drive down and at the least put 3 points up before the half and he just ran the clock out. In the gameday thread I stated how that was a dumb move and many defended the decision stating that the risk of turnover wasn't worth it. When you consistently lose within 7 points or less, you have to strike and play to score with any opportunity given.
I think Shurmur represents a loser's mentality and has proven on many occassions that he plays to not lose instead of playing to win (yes there is a difference).
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QBs make the most progress between their first and 2nd year.
Do you dump Weeden before seeing how he makes out next year?
Will Alex Smith be a definite upgrade to a Weeden with an off-season to study film and practice with his team mates?
There are 5 more games to go. I want to see more of Weeden before having that discussion.
One of the reasons RG3 is so successful is b/c their offense is tailor to his abilities. Weeden was expected to change everything about what he did previously.
If Weeden improves and we get a few more pieces this team could be competitive. All the young guys could get good all at once.
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What did Matt Cassel get trade for? He was a 7th round pick (number 230) by the Patriots. Traded for pick 34 by the Pats.
How about Matt Shaub what was he traded for? He was a Falcons 3rd pick trade for 2 second round picks.
And Alex Smith a former first pick in the draft who has done the following for the 49'ers:
Most game winning drives in a single season: 6 (2011)[58]
Most 4th quarter comeback wins in a single season: 6 (2011)[58]
Fewest interceptions in a single season: 5 in 2011 (16 starts) [58]
Most consecutive pass attempts without an interception: 249 (previous record: 184, by Steve Young).
And he is going to only get a fourth rounder in trade. I don't think so.
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Cassel and Schaub were traded more on promise than known quantities.
I can see a team giving up as much as a 3rd for Alex Smith, who has proven that he can be a serviceable but very replaceable QB. Any team that trades for Alex Smith still needs a long-term starting QB and I think they will know that moving forward.
Fun idea: some team trades for Alex Smith & Tim Tebow
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Smith has 1 1/2 "Not bad" years.
Statistically he hasn't been that great.
I have a couple SF fan relatives, they scream and holler about Smiths passer rating this year.
Completely ignoring that all the other QBs around him in the rankings, have COMPLETED as many passes as he has ATTEMPTED.
He is the definition of a a "Game Manager"
Did he have one great emotional win against NO in the playoffs last year? Yeah.
Has he been carried these passed two season by a great running game and one of the best defenses in the league? Yes.
I seriously doubt anyone is going to GO AFTER Alex Smith.
His OWN TEAM has now tried to get rid of him TWICE. While he's playing well..
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Another fired coach...what a way to build a team...
I was about to tell you that you might want to rethink that, but then I read the responses.. by now you must know that was a statement made without a lot of thought LOL
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Alex Smith is nothing special. He is just better than Brandon Weeden.
The Browns options are not all that great at quarterback thanks to Mike Holmgren.
Sometimes things are not as complicated as they may seem.
The Colts won 2 games in 2011 drafted Andrew Luck record so far; 7 - 4.
Washington won 5 games in 2011 drafted Griffin record so far this 5 - 6.
The Browns won 4 games last year. Drafted Weeden record so far 3 - 8.
It can be argued that Washington and the Colts are no better in personnel than the Browns outside of the quarterback.
I do not see Weeden as good enough to lead a team to a championship.
He is a 29 year old rookie who has a long way to go before the complexities of the NFL sink in. Will he be the man at 32?
I just do not see it.
That means to me that they have to solve the puzzle at the quarterback position. Something they have unable to do since Kosar.
Alex Smith may be a short term solution. If he has a decent team around him he has proven he can win.
The 2013 quarterback class does not have a Andrew Luck or RG3 those type of guys do not grow on trees or come out every year.
I like Tyler Wilson better than anyone coming out this year.
The Browns have to make a decision at quarterback.
Weeden, the draft, or go after Smith. I am ok with the draft or Smith.
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Alex Smith is nothing special. He is just better than Brandon Weeden.
Well to be fair, Weeden has 11 starts in his career compared to 75 for Smith. By all accounts Smith SHOULD be better at this point. My question is this: after his 75 starts how much better is Smith than Weeden? I don't think he's 64 starts better. Weeden still has the potential to improve, while Smith has (in my opinion) reached his ceiling - and that with the perfect situation of a good running game and awesome defense.
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Except you were a lot nicer about it than I was going to be.
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and Alex Smith is 28.
Not that I'm endorsing him as our future qb.
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Weeden, the draft, or go after Smith. I am ok with the draft or Smith.
I'm not ok with either. I don't see anybody in this draft who represents a clear upgrade over Weeden, and I don't trust Smith unless he has the absolute perfect situation around him...
I think Weeden has done more than enough to warrant a second year to see if he can build on his first year. I'm not 100% sold on him as the answer either but as far as rookies go, I think he has done more than enough to get a second season... and if he was 24 years old, pretty much everybody else would agree with that.
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and if he was 24 years old, pretty much everybody else would agree with that.
Which goes back to the real question: Why in the heck did we draft a 28 year old QB in the first round?
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and if he was 24 years old, pretty much everybody else would agree with that.
Which goes back to the real question: Why in the heck did we draft a 28 year old QB in the first round?
Because we had insight into the situation that no other team possessed and the intestinal fortitude to pull the trigger. You might say we have crystal balls.
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Because Mike Holmgren misplayed a winning hand and didn't land RG3.
Then he over reacted and drafted Weeden a round or two early.
That is why we are where we are and why I will hate Holmgren forever. Players like Griffin do not come around very often. He should be playing for the Browns.
Now we have to suffer through a decision on Weeden. Then go back to square one and find a quarterback capable of leading a team for years and being good enough to win a Super Bowl.
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Because Mike Holmgren misplayed a winning hand and didn't land RG3.
Then he over reacted and drafted Weeden a round or two early.
That is why we are where we are and why I will hate Holmgren forever. Players like Griffin do not come around very often. He should be playing for the Browns.
Now we have to suffer through a decision on Weeden. Then go back to square one and find a quarterback capable of leading a team for years and being good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Oh great googly boogly. Give it up already on the RG3 garbage. We made a legit offer, someone made a better one and we lost..
I like RG3, but he isn't worth 3 firsts and more.. Nobody is.
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David DeCastro
Cameron Heyward
Maurkice Pouncey
Michael Floyd
Patrick Peterson
Dan Williams
Justin Blackmon
Blaine Gabbert
Tyson Alualu
Dontari Poe
Jonathan Baldwin
Eric Berry
Ryan Tannehill
Mike Pouncey
Jared Odrick
Cameron Jordan
Mark Ingram
Patrick Robinson
David Wilson
Prince Amukamara
Jason Pierre-Paul
Quinton Couples
Muhammad Wilkerson
Kyle Wilson
Fletcher Cox
Danny Watkins
Brandon Graham
Melvin Ingram
Corey Liuget
Ryan Matthews
AJ Jenkins
Aldon Smith
Mike Iupati
Bruce Irvin
James Carpenter
Russell Okung
Michael Brockers
Robert Quinn
Sam Bradford
Mark Barron
Adrian Clayborn
Gerald McCoy
Kendall Wright
Jake Locker
Derrick Morgan
Which of those groups of three first round picks from the last three years would you take over RGIII, Andrew Luck, Aaron Rodgers, or Matthew Stafford?
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Cameron Heyward
Maurkice Pouncey
Holy offensive line Batman! DeCastro's injury notwithstanding, that's not bad.
Michael Floyd
Patrick Peterson
Dan Williams
Ew, Yes, Eh. Not thanks.
Justin Blackmon
Blaine Gabbert
Tyson Alualu
Ugh, Gabbert. Silly
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Jonathan Baldwin
Eric Berry
I love Berry, Badlwin is solid.. Meh
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Mike Pouncey
Jared Odrick
No.
Cameron Jordan
Mark Ingram
Patrick Robinson
Not bad, but no.
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Prince Amukamara
Jason Pierre-Paul
The NYG Special, 1000xs yes. Basically because of JPP (and Prince)
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Kyle Wilson
S-U-C-K SUCK SUCK SUCKS
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A lot spent on the lines, not much in return
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If Matthews wasn't made of glass..
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Aldon Smith
Mike Iupati
Smith is a game changer, Iupati is a great G
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James Carpenter
Russell Okung
Irvin has impressed, Okung is solid, but eh
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Robert Quinn
Sam Bradford
STL better use it's next 4 1st better
Mark Barron
Adrian Clayborn
Gerald McCoy
No.
Kendall Wright
Jake Locker
Derrick Morgan
No..
It wasn't till I got to the Jets picks that I realized you had grouped them by team.. 
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Because Mike Holmgren misplayed a winning hand and didn't land RG3.
Then he over reacted and drafted Weeden a round or two early.
That is why we are where we are and why I will hate Holmgren forever. Players like Griffin do not come around very often. He should be playing for the Browns.
Now we have to suffer through a decision on Weeden. Then go back to square one and find a quarterback capable of leading a team for years and being good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Oh great googly boogly.
Strangely enough, that was my exact thought after reading that nonsense. 
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What have the takeaways have to do with "more points"?  We scored almost ALL of our points after some PIT TO, most of the TOs would have been punts anyway if we didn't take the ball....we got it in when they handed us a redzone TO...what's the problem here? We scored 20p in 33+ min of possession, that's the numbers that are important for an Offense...against the Steelers D of late, that's as good as it gets "dumb stuff like taking sacks"? Really? Weeden, for a rook, has been SUPERB in avoiding "dumb" sacks and fumbles....he's already better there than some All everything vets...in 10 games since week 2 he's turned the ball over 10 times (INT + fumbles lost) in 10 games...that's well above league AVG..and for a rook, that's pretty darn good I'd say "avoiding dumb and unsustainable expectations" from the fans is the way to go here 
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Where is the zing, they didn't have 26 or 27 first and second year players on their roster.
Have you looked at their roster?
Colts roster
How many rookies and one year experience players do you see there? Add in the players with two years of experience and it gets more pronounced. They have 12 rookies on the roster. They have 8 players in their second year of NFL experience. Add in the players in just their third year and you can add 11 more players.
There is no Pierre Garcon on the team. There isn't any Dallas Clark on the team. There isn't any Peyton Manning (as you noted). And yet, they are 7-4 and would make the playoffs this year. Manning has now been gone from Indy for two seasons, so 20 players on that roster didn't even play with him on the field at all.
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That's just blatantly untrue. They've completely overhauled the team over the past two years, without Manning on the field at all. They even lost the coach that they brought in to do the job to a life-threatening illness and have used an interim head coach (the OC) to do the job in his absence.
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They have nearly as many of their starting roster players as we do that are rookies or with just 1 year of previous NFL experience.
I think that you're just used to accepting excuses from the previous regime.
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