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I don't think we should be worried about Banner. Now if Reid was running this team I'd be very concerned.
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No dumb lawyers?
A persons education or job does not guaranty smarts.
Some of the dumbest people I know have Phd's.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I don't think we should be worried about Banner. Now if Reid was running this team I'd be very concerned.
Time line Heckert leaves Philly because he could have control of the roster
Banner wants control of the roster and player contracts.
Reid finally says this is mucked up I need control
Banner is sent packing.
Once Heckert left the Eagles have been on a downhill slide, Banner has been in control.
Heckert is here doing a great job with control of the roster
Banner shows up and its not the chicken little stuff its putting pieces together on a time line that cant be desputed.
Every action has an equal reaction. I dont care for what Banner has done in Philly at all. He let Heckert leave Philly already and given what Ive seen here that was his biggest mistake there and cost him his job.
I dont want us to be the 2nd time he has tossed a monkey wrench into the machine.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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We almost got Heckert instead of George Kokinis. I believe it was an issue of Heckert wanting final say of roster in Cleveland. If he really thought Banner was that horrible he would've come to Cleveland a year earlier.
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Stop talking reasonable thoughts. Obviously Banner has created the self sustaining monster in Philly, not the stupid owner and the overwhelmed Head Coach.
you had a good run Hank.
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We almost got Heckert instead of George Kokinis. I believe it was an issue of Heckert wanting final say of roster in Cleveland. If he really thought Banner was that horrible he would've come to Cleveland a year earlier.
So your using Mangini who wanted control as the gage? Nice. 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I don't think we should be worried about Banner. Now if Reid was running this team I'd be very concerned.
Talk about a meltdown..that club is a train wreck...Its still rolling 
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Dude, I gotta throw the BS flag on your "time line."
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Time line Heckert leaves Philly because he could have control of the roster
Banner wants control of the roster and player contracts.
1) Andy Reid ALWAYS had final say over the roster.
2) Banner ALWAYS had control over player contracts.
3) Heckert left Philly because he wanted final say over the roster, a power he couldn't have because of ANDY REID, not Joe Banner.
4) Since being named GM in 2010, Howie Roseman was the draft coordinator, not Joe Banner.
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Banner is sent packing.
Correction: Laurie forces Banner out because of a perception that they were losing the fanbase and kept the "good guy" over the "bad guy." Reid wanted power over EVERYTHING, and he won. That had NOTHING to do with Banner screwing up and Reid taking control to fix it.
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Once Heckert left the Eagles have been on a downhill slide, REID has been in control.
Fixed it for you.
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Banner shows up and its not the chicken little stuff its putting pieces together on a time line that cant be desputed.
Banner hasn't done anything here. Haslam fired Holmgren.
There's nothing to dispute because Banner hasn't done anything. 
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October 17, 2012: Jimmy Haslam hires Joe Banner as team President.
Then this happens:
Yup, I'd say every action has a reaction...
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There is one possibility that I don't think anyone has brought up (mostly because of its potential to have one declared as insane):
[conspiracy theory]
This is the NFL, and this is an endeavor where billions of dollars are in play. When that much money is involved, things are planned out exceptionally well, and well in advance. Very little is left to chance.
So:
Lerner knew 10 years ago that he'd have to wait 10 years to sell. The NFL owners knew that there'd be a 10 year wait.
It seems that most people knew Lerner didn't want to own the team, and hadn't for quite a while. If he knew long ago that he wanted out, and wanted to cash out, as soon as he could, he'd let people know and he'd start laying that groundwork LONG before the time came due.
The NFL steered Haslam to Lerner, we know this much for certain.... but, When?? How long ago?
I know that Lerner said it happened earlier THIS year, but what if it actually happened a bit earlier than that??
How far fetched is it to think that if Haslam and Banner are in this together since its inception, and if you accept the possibility that this could have been brewing longer than they admit to, that perhaps Banner steered Heckert to this job when he let him leave Philly to come here -- because he wants his guy to be here? It sure is easier than Banner leaving Philly and then trying to steal Heckert away - that's for sure.
Basically, if they knew back then that this sale was going to go through, then it'd be a mighty savvy move - Heckert would basically be the advance landing party, so to speak. Actually, it is conceivable that Holmgren was - brought on to set us up in the mould that Heckert/Banner would want to take the reins of. Once the sale was completed, Banner could truly step in, and Holmgren quietly steps out, his job complete.
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Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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You're right. That's insane.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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play X-Files theme 
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It sure is right now.
Time to clear some air about who REALLY ran crap over there in Philly. I hope people follow the bouncing ball:
Howie Roseman is named GM in 2010 after Heckert leaves and is given the title of draft coordinator
Andy Reid is named VP of football operations in 2001, giving him control over the roster
Heckert is named GM of the Eagles, but serves in an ADVISORY ROLE to Andy Reid
Lurie thinks the team is losing the fans, so the unlikeable guy...Banner...is moved out
There's a bunch of more info out there, but that's where the hierarchy stood.
The Eagles were a great franchise for years, all of that time with Banner at the helm. He hired Reid, and Reid had roster control since 2001. Heckert and Roseman were not the shot-callers. They were advisers. Banner was dumped because Lurie wanted to appease the idiot fans in Philly. Roseman had a big say in the draft over the last 3 years, and Reid had total control of things starting last year. Now here they are with Reid about to get fired. The Eagles were great for years with Banner playing the bad-guy and Reid playing the good-guy, but with Reid gaining all the control, making all the fans happy, and making all the players happy, it got him NOWHERE.
People can comment on Banner as they wish, but they need to make informed opinions based on facts, not innuendo.
Banner was NEVER liked in Philly. That didn't stop them from going to 4 NFL Championship games and becoming one of the flag-ship organizations in the league. Eventually every guy has to go, and with the Eagles failing, Lurie elected to make a change to appease the fans.
Boy...did that work out well.
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The NFL steered Haslam to Lerner, we know this much for certain.... but, When?? How long ago?
I know that Lerner said it happened earlier THIS year, but what if it actually happened a bit earlier than that??
Fixed it for ya to give it a more authentic feel 
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I said Heckert left Philly because he wanted control over the roster not sure what BS flag you are tossing out. I have read that Andy had to do a power play because of Banner. If you dispute that ok its not me just what I have read. I hope you are right that Banner is the greatest mind in our org.  If he fires Heckert I will have lost all, and do mean ALL faith in this new era of Browns Football.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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The NFL steered Haslam to Lerner, we know this much for certain.... but, When?? How long ago?
I know that Lerner said it happened earlier THIS year, but what if it actually happened a bit earlier than that??
Fixed it for ya to give it a more authentic feel
LOL!!! 
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I said Heckert left Philly because he wanted control over the roster not sure what BS flag you are tossing out. I have read that Andy had to do a power play because of Banner. If you dispute that ok its not me just what I have read.
I hope you are right that Banner is the greatest mind in our org.
If he fires Heckert I will have lost all, and do mean ALL faith in this new era of Browns Football.
Look, I don't want it to happen, but it just might.
When a man spends one billion dollars for a team and installs his #1 guy, they have their own plan. Heckert did a great job in Philly, and has done a good job here, but the power he was given when brought here may not be the power his position will be allowed to wield by the man who gave up a number with nine zero's after it to buy the team.
Banner has a proven track record of success. That's no guarantee that he'll succeed here. But unlike ANY team president that has come here in 14 years, he's the first whose history is that of a proven winner.
People just need to settle down and let this play out.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I'm at a weird point now with 4 games to go.
I really want to watch these next four games and see us progress...
But I REALLY want this regular season to end so we can finally figure out what the hell i going to happen..
Then by February I should have a good grasp on weather or not I'll be too upset that I'm going to miss next season...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Look, I don't want it to happen, but it just might.
When a man spends one billion dollars for a team and installs his #1 guy, they have their own plan. Heckert did a great job in Philly, and has done a good job here, but the power he was given when brought here may not be the power his position will be allowed to wield by the man who gave up a number with nine zero's after it to buy the team.
Banner has a proven track record of success. That's no guarantee that he'll succeed here. But unlike ANY team president that has come here in 14 years, he's the first whose history is that of a proven winner.
People just need to settle down and let this play out.
So your whole "point" basically is: Haslam can do what he wants to, because the Browns are now HIS toy. You just gave him EVERY right to do as he pleases, because he can do so. That's not an argument, that's a given fact. In case you missed it...we're talking here BEYOND that fact, as in...what's the RIGHT and WRONG thing to do. And we pretty much ALL have come to the conclusion, that firing Heckert is a stupid move...and what do you do? You write apologetics for an EGO move...and since you don't have a real argument, you're pretty much defending such a very possible move with the same "point" we despise: being egoistical...because? Well, he paid to do as he pleases....you can't say you don't want EGO to get in the way and then turn around and pretty much defend ANY move with "well, he's the boss", lol. Everybody knows he's the boss...it's about being a clever boss or stupid boss, that's what we OTHERS on here are discussing at least
You'll be surprised, but that doesn't convince me. When they SAY they'll hire the best people available to bring a winner to Cleveland and then FIRE the guy that has done at least a good job and looks to be much better and safer than any other guy available....well, actions over words, right?
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It's in my opinion that Banner and Co may want to wipe the FO clean just so that when were in the playoffs they don't have to share the credit with anyone..
Bingo!! I believe we have a winner.
When they bring Lombardi in to rubber stamp everything Jimmy Joe wants count me out.
Indy is only a 4 hour drive for me so, Go Colts....
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In case you missed it...we're talking here BEYOND that fact, as in...what's the RIGHT and WRONG thing to do. And we pretty much ALL have come to the conclusion, that firing Heckert is a stupid move...and what do you do? You write apologetics for an EGO move...and since you don't have a real argument...
The great irony here is that you COMPLETELY missed the point when I laid out the EXACT argument.
So since you didn't get it the first time, I'll quote it again. Maybe you'll actually figure it out this time: Quote:
Banner has a proven track record of success. That's no guarantee that he'll succeed here. But unlike ANY team president that has come here in 14 years, he's the first whose history is that of a proven winner.
People just need to settle down and let this play out.
Let's see if you can put your OWN ego aside and get the point this time...
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So what? Heckert has an even BETTER track record since he has drafted good talent for 2 different teams now...Banner's track record is "being the smartest guy on planet for being the only one who interviewed Reid"...oh, and if Reid is a bum, as you can't stress enough, then what does that make Banner look like again? So, your point is: you trust Banner...whatever he does...after all, he has a proven track record, right? So, if he decides to fire Heckert...you side with Banner over Heckert by default....do I get that right? Oh look, we're back to what I accused you to: you wrote an apologetics for J&J...they can do whatever they do, you'll be ok with it....you first said because Haslam PAID for that right....now it's all about Banner's track record, but who hired Banner? Haslam, what's his track record again? You've already made your bed with what you wrote...you're ok with everything and everyone who gets fired and hired from now on for the sake of "track record" and "he paid a billion"....performance be damned. It's still not an argument, it's only saying "I trust the guy" How about you tell us your opinion? What would you do? From everything I've read, you would retain Heckert as plan A, right? But if Banner fires him, that's ok with you too...get it now, classic Toad "both sides of the fence" play 
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So, your point is: you trust Banner...whatever he does...
Nope, strike two...
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I don't think we should be worried about Banner. Now if Reid was running this team I'd be very concerned.
Or if Lombardi was making personnel decisions
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Some of the dumbest people I know have Phd's.
A lot of people without Phd's feel that way.
More to the point, I get what he's saying, you can't be totally stupid and get into and out of law school.. or medical school.. or get a PhD... what you can do is be a very smart lawyer and then think that means because you are a smart lawyer that you are smart at everything... now I do know people like that... who think that just because they are smart and talented in one area that it naturally translates into them being smart and talented at other things, which is often not the case... It all comes down to knowing your limitations.... if Banner understands what he's good at, sticks to that and hires good people to do the other stuff, we should be great.. if he thinks being a good lawyer makes him a good football scout, then we are in trouble... we shall see.
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So what? Heckert has an even BETTER track record since he has drafted good talent for 2 different teams now...Banner's track record is "being the smartest guy on planet for being the only one who interviewed Reid"...oh, and if Reid is a bum, as you can't stress enough, then what does that make Banner look like again?
So, your point is: you trust Banner...whatever he does...after all, he has a proven track record, right? So, if he decides to fire Heckert...you side with Banner over Heckert by default....do I get that right? Oh look, we're back to what I accused you to: you wrote an apologetics for J&J...they can do whatever they do, you'll be ok with it....you first said because Haslam PAID for that right....now it's all about Banner's track record, but who hired Banner? Haslam, what's his track record again?
You've already made your bed with what you wrote...you're ok with everything and everyone who gets fired and hired from now on for the sake of "track record" and "he paid a billion"....performance be damned. It's still not an argument, it's only saying "I trust the guy"
How about you tell us your opinion? What would you do? From everything I've read, you would retain Heckert as plan A, right? But if Banner fires him, that's ok with you too...get it now, classic Toad "both sides of the fence" play
Oh for gosh sakes, I hate stepping in, but his point is plainly that we should all let this thing play out.
So many people are spewing speculation over what hasn't happened yet as though it's the truth, it's really starting to look ridonculous.
We ALL know what we want and don't want to happen. NONE of us knows what WILL happen.
It's quite possible that your scenario may play out, but until then, we could at least try to avoid throwing grenades all over the place like they're water balloons.
To Nick: do you have a link to the article you read about the Reid/Banner situation? I'm curious to see where you got that info from.
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The Banner paranoia is hilarious around here. How about we let him prove he's a scumbag before we call him as such, deal?
He is a lawyer. What more proof do you need?
So you think Peen, BFS79 and myself are all scumbags, eh?
Good to know where you stand. 
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Well, saying "I want to keep Heckert" AND "If we fire him, I understand too" is two-faced in my book
I have an interesting read on the Banner/Reid beef that I can't post on here...I got it from an Eagles diehard, it's a good blog. If you're interested, throw me a PM
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He is a lawyer. What more proof do you need?
So you think Peen, BFS79 and myself are all scumbags, eh?
Good to know where you stand.
A little off topic, but I don't recall seeing any posts from peen in a while. Is he OK? Anyone know?
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Well, saying "I want to keep Heckert" AND "If we fire him, I understand too" is two-faced in my book
Not being able to understand the nuances of being able to separate "what I want" from "what I would do if I were someone else" is a YOU problem, not a ME problem.
People who think in terms of black-and-white instead of shades-of-grey often have that issue.
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He hasn't posted since the 11th of last month.
Maybe someone who knows him IRL can call and check up on him or something?
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He hasn't posted since the 11th of last month.
Maybe someone who knows him IRL can call and check up on him or something?
Eh, he told me at the home bengals game that he didn't post here much anymore - was getting tired of it basically. I bet he's fine, just doesn't post much. Still checks in occasionally, just doesn't post.
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The hardest decision for Haslam to make would be to do nothing and give these guys another year. Doesnt matter what we buy, as humans we want to make it ours by making decisions that identify it as ours. I would rather he mess with the uniforms and other stuff to identify this as his team but I will be surprised if they dont fire everyone involved in this team.
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The hardest decision for Haslam to make would be to do nothing and give these guys another year. Doesnt matter what we buy, as humans we want to make it ours by making decisions that identify it as ours. I would rather he mess with the uniforms and other stuff to identify this as his team but I will be surprised if they dont fire everyone involved in this team.
Mour, I tend to agree with you. While I do feel Heckert has this team headed in the right direction, Haslam may feel he and Banner can bring someone in to take it to the next level. He may look solely at the team's record since Heckert's been here and feel that it's been too slow or too little improvement.
I really would like to see Heckert stay, but wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't. I will say this: if he makes the change, he better bring in the right guy to achieve that "next level". If not, this team goes backward again when it's finally starting to move forward.
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Lombardi has done nothing but trash the players on this team and now to hear he is the leading candidate to replace Heckert makes me freaking sick to my stomach. He has truly taken a shot at every decision Heckert has made since he has been here.
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Browns replacing GM Tom Heckert with Mike Lombardi makes no sense: Terry Pluto Published: Tuesday, December 04, 2012, 1:41 PM Updated: Tuesday, December 04, 2012, 1:57 PM Terry Pluto, CLEVELAND, Ohio -- I have no clue if the rumors about Mike Lombardi being the Browns' next general manager are true. I do know that if the choice is between Lombardi and current Browns general manager Tom Heckert, the answer is simple. Heckert stays. There should be no serious discussion of Heckert vs. Lombardi. A former executive with the Browns and Raiders, Lombardi's draft record doesn't come close to matching what Heckert did in Philadelphia and with the Browns. In fact, Lombardi was very critical of the Browns picking Josh Gordon in the second round of the supplemental draft. Nor was he thrilled with the 2012 Browns draft -- the one that produced starters Trent Richardson, Brandon Weeden, Mitchell Schwartz, James-Michael Johnson and Billy Winn. He also added John Hughes and Travis Benjamin, who have played a lot as rookies. The grade Lombardi gave that draft? It was a "C." I know draft grades are silly. It's why I don't even give out letter grades. But I knew this much immediately after the draft -- it was much better than average. I also wrote it had a chance to change the dismal course of the franchise. The Browns are among the NFL's youngest teams, opening the season with 26-of-53 players who either were rookies or had one year of NFL experience. Their sudden rise -- winning four of the last seven games -- is the product of some smart moves in the draft. If he had not been suspended, Joe Haden (first rounder, 2010) would be named to the Pro Bowl this season. He's that good. Suddenly, fans can see what inspired Heckert to trade up to the second round in 2010 for Montario Hardesty, a pick that I feared would be wasted because of the running back's seemingly never-ending injuries. I'm not going to sort through all of Heckert's picks, or spend a lot of time ripping apart Lombardi's drafts with Bill Belichick and the Browns in the 1990s. But it's obvious that Heckert has given Browns fans real reason for hope because of the infusion of young talent. You may not be sold on Weeden as an impact quarterback, but he has a chance to grow with this young team. Aside from the impressive 2012 class, I'm intrigued by Greg Little, Phil Taylor, T.J. Ward, Jabaal Sheard and several other of Heckert's picks from 2010 and 2011. Lombardi has not worked full-time for an NFL team since 2007. He was a special assistant to Raiders owner Al Davis from 1999-2007. In 1998, he worked for the Eagles, but left when Andy Reid arrived and changed some of the front office. New Browns CEO Joe Banner has worked with both Lombardi and Heckert in Philadelphia. I've heard some people say that Banner and Heckert got along well, and others say their relationship was strained in Philadelphia. I don't know what is true. And I can't be certain how many of the Eagles' draft picks during Heckert's tenure (2001-09) where truly his because Reid had the final say on football decisions. I do know that the Eagles made a lot of smart selections when Heckert was there. But the Browns' last three drafts have been Heckert's. His fingerprints are on virtually every player, Yes, former team president Mike Holmgren insisted on picking Colt McCoy in the third round of 2010 -- a wise move, as McCoy certainly is a good backup quarterback who will never embarrass a team if he's asked to start. Otherwise, Heckert has been bringing in the players for the last three years, and receiving good reviews from his coaches. After he was fired, Eric Mangini told me how much he liked working with Heckert -- and thought Heckert was a strong talent evaluator. Obviously, he is not only on the same page with Pat Shurmur, but they tend to be the same sentence. Heckert tends to shy away from the media. He prefers to work behind the scenes. Lombardi is very public relations savvy. He works for NFL.com and other media outlets. He's a regular on talk shows. He's engaging and entertaining. While some of his harshest critics insist he's a disaster as an executive, I do believe Lombardi has some ability when it comes to scouting players. But an upgrade over Heckert? Hard to imagine why anyone would say that. web page
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At this point of the conversation, it's becoming increasingly frustrating as a fan to hear all of the speculation and chatter going on while the reality of what we are seeing is becoming more and more tangible. The facts of what this team is (young, talented, and contractually together for a few more years) is why I'm pulling my hair out right now. We are on the precipice of something very special and to even think of it being blown up just for the sake of having Haslam/Banner's fingerprints on it brings back memories of the '95 Browns team and what could have been, but in a much less frustrating manner. I understand it's gotten to the point where rebuilds are the norm here and futility is expected. To tell the truth, I was disappointed in the slow ascension of gathering talent for this team, but now that the plan is this close to fruition, I can't bear to think of it being demolished. We, as fans, have waited patiently and bided time through so many "regimes" and I have to think I'm not the only one at the end of my rope.
There are so many factors that come in weighing changes even at the GM level, i.e. he hires the coach, who in turn may not like the 4-3 defensive alignment we've been building and acquiring talent for for the past two years. Thus, we revert to the 3-4, lose talent and have to go back to the crap shoot of drafting "tweeners" and hoping it works, whereas we are SEEING results with what we have. Say we need to have an O-line that utilizes a much more run heavy scheme? How many of those players fit? This potential upheaval could tear it down and then we'll be sold the bill of goods for a building that won't be complete for another five years, when the foundation, walls, roof and windows are already installed on the one we are still helping finance with our patience and good will as fans.
That's why it's such a double edged sword to be a fan. All we get is more hollow words, perhaps some more pandering efforts to quell our feeling of betrayal if these things come to pass and we are expected to swallow the bitter medicine because a billionaire paid for the right to say he owns and makes decisions on things that we've paid for in love, loyalty, passion and desire. Those are truly traits and qualities that cannot be measured in monetary ways, yet we get short shrift again. I don't care about the shows on the Travel Channel, I could care less if the staduim experience is enhanced and I don't even think I'd give a rip if a dome is built (it'd take some getting used to!) but this yo-yo of "bringing in your guys" effect has had on my psyche is beyond repair. In this instance, we seem to be on the path to winning, and Haslam himself even admitted as much. Perhaps it's time to leave well enough alone...
"If you need two yards, I'll get you two yards. If you need four yards, I'll get you two yards!" Ron Wolfley, Special Teams Madman
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Here's a little tidbit from Pat McManamon ...... http://www.foxsportsohio.com/12/04/12/Fi...amp;feedID=36592) Something said by one of the assistant coaches from a team the Browns played earlier this season bears repeating: “The only thing that team needs is confidence.” Which is why these wins are so important. They generate confidence, which is vital to winning. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I agree with this. I feel that this team, right now, has enough talent to compete with almost anyone. That confidence, that they will get it done no matter what happens, is the ingredient that was missing earlier .... but I really think that comeback in the Cowboys game (even though we eventually lost, that was without Haden playing) was the start of bulding confidence for this team. We played Cincy tough and beat them, but while that was a division win, I think that they are still seen as the 3rd best team in the division. Then we lost to the Colts largely by not making a catch at the goal line. Beating the Steelers was huge, no matter how it happened. We scored about as much as you can hope to score on their defense, and our defense was dominating. Really, this team looks like it started to turn the corner following the Giants game.They lost their composure in that game, and the defense fell apart. We gave up almost 500 total yards in that game. (243 passing and 259 rushing) Sure Haden was out, but they got blown out from the line back to the secondary in that game. That seems like it was a wakeup call. They played most of their first 4 opponents close .... but that blowout may have been the best thing for them. It really showed how you cannot take any play for granted. After we allowed 200 yards to Bradshaw, the leading rushers in the following games have been: Green-Ellis 62 Ballard 84 Trent 122 Trent 105 Trent 95 Trent 85 Trent 72 We have seen the defense really step up to slow down the opposition's run game tremendously. Our run game has picked up some. We are starting to get some of those tough yards. It's not perfect yet .... but it's improving. We have rachetted down on allowing points as well. Following that 41 point eruption by the Giants, we have allowed 24, 17, 6, 25, 23, 14, and 17. When you hold 4 of 7 teams to 24 points or under, you can expect to win those games. We won 4 of them, and were in position to win 2 of the other 3. This team is growing up, and it seems like it's maturing more quickly on defense. That shouldn;t be a huge surprise considering that we have more experience on that side of the ball. Guys like Rubin, DQ, and Brown can all lead their respective units. We really lacked some of that on offense, but it seems like it's growing there too. I like the direction. If no one comes in and screws things up, I think that next year could be special.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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