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1st 7 games
154 272 1,783 9 TD 10 INT 56%
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110 191 1254 4 TD 5 INT 57%
Heres some stats on Brandon Weeden divided in half.
Whats intresting is that his completion % hasn't gotten any better.
But the WRs are getting better as the season goes on.
In 6 games in 2012 Weeden has thrown for more INTs than TDs.
I know in 2 games of recent memory he had 5 passes dropped by defensive backs.
Weeden has 2 games to prove that he is adjusting to the NFL game.
The bad news is that its against the Broncos who made Flacco look like chump today.
the good news is that ironically Weeden has played better on the road.
He has 8 TDs and 3 INTs.
at home Weeden has flat out sucked with 5 TDs and 12 INTs.
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if he sweeps the Steelers.. everyones mind will for the most part change. Even w/ just 5 wins, that is still more than what we had the last past 2 years..
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if he sweeps the Steelers.. everyones mind will for the most part change. Even w/ just 5 wins, that is still more than what we had the last past 2 years..
But we're not allowed to "settle" for Weeden just because he's been better than what we're used to!
Nope. That doesn't even make sense when I type it.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Kendall freakin Storm, that's who.
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Kendall freakin Storm, that's who.
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he's getting worse as the season goes on.
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Back to square one. Weeden simple does not have what it takes between the ears. Nothing personal. What he lacks will not be gained with experience. Listening to Mike Martz call the game on Direct TV NFL package should be a requirement for those who believe that Weeden has a future. Even though he is an announcer who has to be diplomatic. He pointed out clearly where Weeden"s problems lie.
Anyone who thinks that Weeden is capable of leading a team to a championship is kidding themselves. To believe in Weeden as a franchise quarterback is desperation.
No different than the reach to take him in the first round after missing on Griffin. It is an indictment of the Browns staff to have evaluated Weeden as anything more than a third round pick.
With all the talk of "clean slate" referring to Shurmur and Heckert no advancement of the Cleveland Browns can take place until they identify a true championship caliber quarterback.
The Washington game revealed that Cousins who was a fourth round pick is a much better prospect than Weeden. The game also revealed how a team can be out coached.
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Kendall freakin Storm, that's who.
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The Washington game revealed that Cousins who was a fourth round pick is a much better prospect than Weeden. The game also revealed how a team can be out coached.
I don't know that Cousins is/was a better prospect, but you're right about the coaching. The Shanahans put Kirk in a position to excel, rolling him out, allowing him to see the field, and giving him the option to pass or run. Shurmur on the other hand continues to force this archaic WCO down Weeden's and the teams' throat even though it's obvious that it no longer works, coaches know how to stop it, and D linemen know how to defeat the short passes the WCO requires. How many batted balls will it take to realize this?!
I'm not sold on Weeden, he has a whole set of issues that make me question his capability, but Shurmur is so myopic, stubborn, and certain that he is smarter than the rest of the league that it will ultimately cost him his job. To do the same things over and over when they clearly don't work, yet only do the things that do work once, (like the Wildcat for 15yds, and the deep ball to Benjamin for the TD,) borders on insanity.
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All I got to say is..... there is only 2 games left and Weeden is still checking down almost every throw. The only ball he throws well is the deep ball but like yesterday he has a tendency to underthrow it. Which is bad, real bad. He's gotten better throwing the cross patterns and the outlet to the backs. Not sure if he has gotten any better at the screen pass because we rarely if ever do them. He still seems to have huge accuracy problems. Especially with the slant and the quick WR 1 yd slant. He seems to always throw behind and outside instead of leading them inside in stride.
I think he has serious accuracy issues and continues to have tunnel vision locking on a WR.
His footwork has gotten much better. And he has seemed to limit his ints some. But I think its made him way more gunshy and struggling with confidence throwing over the middle.
But overall he still making the same mistakes he did early in the year. I think He will get another year. But he better show some improvement coming into camp because whatever plan B is they may use.
The reason I say this is because our team is ready to win now. Give us those 3 fluke games we lost and we in the playoffs. I hope Shurmur gets another year. If we dont make the playoffs then he should be gone. Cuz Heckerts done ahelluva job getting good young talent on this team. And this coaching staff has progressed our young players and have them competing every game. We are building in a good direction..... dont rock the foundation.
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So what are the options for next year, if we do not go with Weeden?
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Shurmur's offense doesn't work, or at least the way he runs it. I'm not sold on Weeden, but I know I don't want another year of Shurmur's ineptitude ruining my Sundays. Don't be fooled by the three recent insignificant wins against bottom feeding teams. He is not a good HC.
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would you trade for Alex Smith? Thats a possible option. He knows his days are done in the Bay Area.
It might do Weeden some good get some QB competition.
He was handed the QB job this season. He didn't have to work for it?
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So what are the options for next year, if we do not go with Weeden?
Right now I would take any of these guys over Weeden:
Mike Glennon North Carolina State 6-5 232
Tyler Bray QB Tennessee 6-5 215
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) 6-3 228
Landry Jones Oklahoma 6-4 220
EJ Manuel Florida State 6-4 240
Weeden doesn't grade out any better than the above 2nd/3rd round prospects, and his propensity to throw INTs is troubling. You add in the half dozen or so sure INTs that were dropped and his TD to INT ratio stinks. Also, he is awful when pressured and won't run if there are defenders nearby. I'm beginning to suspect his age is a factor, in that he's afraid of getting hurt. A twenty-two year old is invincible, a twenty-nine year old doesn't like getting hurt as much. I'm beginning to believe this is a negative factor in his mindset.
I'd rather take my chances developing a guy who isn't afraid to take a hit, and will be here awhile. Weeden just hasn't shown that he has much upside. Never mind the inaccuracy, inability to get rid of the ball and the batted balls, where is his will to win, his leadership, his ability to take the game on his shoulders and lead the team down field in critical situations. I don't see it. Haven't seen it all year. I don't think he'll suddenly develop it this off season either.
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You add in the half dozen or so sure INTs that were dropped
well then you also need to add in those long passes dropped and the 1st downs dropped, but subtract out the fumbles recovered by the Browns and move the decimal over one...
i am sure the FO/coaches do track all of that stuff, but since we don't have anyone with a complete list (and for all QBs), I don't think that's fair.
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Weeden is a very "Robotic" QB. If a play breaks down,Weeden breaks down.
He can't extend plays at all.
the scouting report is as advertised. When he gets pressured,he falters.
He was a reach by Tom Heckert.
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well then you also need to add in those long passes dropped and the 1st downs dropped, but subtract out the fumbles recovered by the Browns and move the decimal over one...
i am sure the FO/coaches do track all of that stuff, but since we don't have anyone with a complete list (and for all QBs), I don't think that's fair.
Maybe you're right in a sense, but he hit the defenders square in the chest. That's a problem and there's something wrong there. Besides, he has too many INTs without the drops
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I definitely agree, but we can only judge him on what he has done or we have to judge all QBs on what could have happened (I think that is the more complete way, but I don't chart all of these things. For instance, Andrew Luck hit a defender square in the chest targeting a triple covered Reggie Wayne on the Colts final drive 2 weeks ago. Lions defender dropped it, Luck throws a TD on the next play, and the Colts win.)
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So what are the options for next year, if we do not go with Weeden?
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I believe Tyler Wilson is the best quarterback in the draft. The only reason this guy is ranked behind other QB's in the draft is because of all the drama behind Petrino and the Arkansas program and the lack of receivers.
He is very accurate passer who is tough and a quality leader.
Watch his games against Mississippi State and South Carolina. Pay attention to the dropped passes but just watch this guy throw. The ball comes out sweet and fast.
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well then you also need to add in those long passes dropped and the 1st downs dropped, but subtract out the fumbles recovered by the Browns and move the decimal over one...
Early in the season, Weeden was given a bit of a pass because he had a lot of passes dropped and people didn't not hold that against Weeden... so if that's the case, then the INTs that are dropped also need to be considered.
As you said, we don't have stats on such things but it seems like a couple a game are dropped.
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I can't argue with your logic, just feel what I feel with the eye test. 
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He'd be a project, along with all the other guys I mentioned. I wonder about his size & accuracy. You can coach the accuracy issue, but can't coach height. I'm not saying 6' 2" is short, but 6'4"-6'5" is nice to have in this division.
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He'd be a project, along with all the other guys I mentioned. I wonder about his size & accuracy. You can coach the accuracy issue, but can't coach height. I'm not saying 6' 2" is short, but 6'4"-6'5" is nice to have in this division.
Isn't Weeden 6' 4"? What's Drew Brees? What's Colt, for that matter? What's the rookie in Seattle, 6' 1"?
Size is great - unless you don't use it or can't use it to your advantage.
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What's the rookie in Seattle, 6' 1"?
He's listed at 5'11" which means he's probably even shorter than that.
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What's the rookie in Seattle, 6' 1"?
He's listed at 5'11" which means he's probably even shorter than that.
Yup, and he seems to be doing fine. Now, granted, maybe they roll him out more - but they don't all the time.
Like Weeden said - I'm throwing passes to receivers 3 yds. down field, and the d linemen are watching me.................hey, a receiver running a route 3 yds. down field takes exactly how long to get there? Why all the pass tips?
If a rec. is running a 3 yd. route, it should take no more than a 3 step drop, and fire.
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So what are the options for next year, if we do not go with Weeden?
Right now I would take any of these guys over Weeden:
Mike Glennon North Carolina State 6-5 232
Tyler Bray QB Tennessee 6-5 215
Zac Dysert QB Miami (Ohio) 6-3 228
Landry Jones Oklahoma 6-4 220
EJ Manuel Florida State 6-4 240
EJ Manuel - JaMarcus Russell Clone. Tremendous athletic specimen with a huge arm. He just doesn't make the throws. Not enough between the ears.
Landry Jones - Exactly the same player as Weeden except a couple years younger. What is the point?
I haven't seen any of the other guys yet. I do like Tyler Wilson.
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If a rec. is running a 3 yd. route, it should take no more than a 3 step drop, and fire.
Most of these are sort of delayed crossing routes and I doubt they are the first option.
What gets me is if the guy is running underneath open but there is a DL in the passing lane, why not wait .25 of a second and throw it 3 feet to the side of the DL..... the WR is still going to be open.
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He'd be a project, along with all the other guys I mentioned. I wonder about his size & accuracy. You can coach the accuracy issue, but can't coach height. I'm not saying 6' 2" is short, but 6'4"-6'5" is nice to have in this division.
Isn't Weeden 6' 4"? What's Drew Brees? What's Colt, for that matter? What's the rookie in Seattle, 6' 1"?
Size is great - unless you don't use it or can't use it to your advantage.
Completely agree. Brees is awesome. Wilson is playing like and all pro. Weeden is playing like a floating turd.
Then you have Peyton Manning at 6'5", Tom Brady 6'4", Eli Manning 6'4", Ben Worthlessburger 6'5", Andrew Luck 6'4". So yeah, size isn't always the end all be all, but it's a good place to start.
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But we're not allowed to "settle" for Weeden just because he's been better than what we're used to!
Nope. That doesn't even make sense when I type it.
Not picking on you specifically but why should we settle for Weeden? The goal isn't to get a slight upgrade over the garbage we're used to, the goal is to get a franchise QB who can win it all. Same thing with wins... we've averaged just over 5 wins a season since 1999. If we win one more game, a 6-10 season would be our best in 5 years. Is that something we should celebrate just because it's "progress"?
Our standards need to be set at top tier. If our front office has a good idea that Weeden isn't capable of getting to that level and guiding a team to a Super Bowl, they should cut bait. The non-dysfunctional teams in the league would watch Weeden stink and say he stinks. We watch him stink and say "he stinks less than Colt, he's our guy!" Time to start expecting more.
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If height were so important explain why Brees and Russell Wilson don't seem to have problems. While Weeden leads the league in blocked passes. Derek Anderson was plenty tall what did that do for him?
Tyler Wilson is no more a project than any other rookie. He comes from the SEC and has faced plenty of teams like Alabama that run pro defenses.
Do a little on homework on Wilson, before this year he was projected as a Heismen candidate.
He would beat out Weeden in fair training camp I could almost guarantee that.
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would you trade for Alex Smith? Thats a possible option. He knows his days are done in the Bay Area.
It might do Weeden some good get some QB competition.
He was handed the QB job this season. He didn't have to work for it?
I am not sure I would trade for Alex Smith. What would he cost?
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Kendall freakin Storm, that's who.
Now that's some serious DT humor, right there.
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Jk....
At this point I really hope we stick with Wee den next year unless a CLEAR upgrade is out there. I don't think Weeden is a long term answer, but I don't want to waste resources in a panicky move.....like we did when we drafted Weeden in the first place.
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I'm not saying Wilson doesn't have skills or won't be successful. I'm not saying QB's under 6'4" won't have success. I'm just saying a big, tall, strong QB fits our division, IMO, better than a smaller frame. Wind, rain, snow, punishing D's are better withstood by a larger frame and a stronger are. I'm not disparaging Wilson or knocking the fact that you like him, only stating a couple of the things I look for in a QB for this division.
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This one is for Rish:
Mike Martz's comments summarized, courtesy of Dennis Manoloff:
5. Weeden did not pass Martz's eye test. The skinny: Martz is known for his knowledge of offense, so his words should carry heavy significance for a rookie QB. In his finest hours, Martz was offensive coordinator of the St. Louis Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf'' in 1999 as the Rams rolled to a Super Bowl title. Two years later, Martz was head coach of a Rams team that lost in the Super Bowl. Martz was more than fair in his assessment of Weeden on Sunday. If anything, he sounded as if he desperately wanted to give high marks along the way -- but Weeden would not let him. Among other critiques/insights that ring true for those who have watched Weeden closely all season: • Weeden struggles against man coverage. Press coverage, in particular, caused him problems against the Redskins. Martz said Weeden can't continue to settle for checkdowns in the flat unless receivers are doubled, which wasn't the case against Washington. • Weeden does not "throw open'' his receivers. Martz: "He's looking for guys who are running free -- it's not going to happen....He's got to throw and let guys make a play.'' • Weeden holds the ball too long. Every quarterback is guilty to some degree, but Weeden is guiltier than most. Presumably, it will get better as his career unfolds, but there is no guarantee, especially if it is the byproduct of being overly cautious about throwing picks. • Weeden doesn't recognize soon enough where pressure is coming from. He is not gleaning enough from his pre-snap reads. Audibles? What audibles? • Weeden locks onto receivers. Martz said Redskins defensive players (he did not say how many) told him that Weeden will "give things away with his eyes.'' As a result, the defense is able to adjust. Martz called it "getting to receivers with the eyes too quickly.'' • Weeden and the coaching staff needed to use more bootleg action against the Redskins, in order to get Weeden on the perimeter. When it comes time to play-fake, Weeden needs a lot of work selling it.
What does all that sound like? A guy who came out of a flag-football league with no NFL concepts, and has a TON to learn.
That's a tall-task for a guy who will be 30 in his sophomore season and hasn't shown the kind of growth expected out of him thus far.
You're welcome, Rish. 
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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I think he was pretty spot on with that assessment.
His play fakes are horrible.. when was the last time we ran a successful screen play. lol.
and Weeds is doing the same thing Colt would do.. take too long to pass to the open WR. He did it numerous times the past few weeks. Almost got Josh Gordon killed on one occassion.
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Yeah, I mentioned Martz's critiques of Weeden several times. This is a guy who has no horse in the race and who is paid to offer his expertise ... add to the fact that it did appear he wanted to find something complimentary to add ... and just couldn't seem to find it ... he did spend 15 seconds saying he had a nice arm ... right, Hel ...   My point being is that many of us have brought up some of these points even prior to Martz. The fact that Martz talked about them ad nauseum during the game should have gotten more traction around here, IMO. If anyone has the credentials, it's Martz ... and his comments came across as very objective ... again, he has no horse in this race. It has been the most damning critique of Weeden to date and it came in Game 14. Not the progression we were hoping to see. Let me add that, of course, I don't want Weeden to fail. I'm not happy he's not playing well, and I'm not happy that Martz ripped him to shreds. But it's one thing for a bunch of internet "know it alls" like us to sit around talk about this stuff and a completely different thing when an offensive, successful coach sees things on tape and expresses his concerns. Having Martz in the booth on Sunday was awesome...and a great learning experience for those that were interested in what is really going on.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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It was also Weeden's worst game since the Philly game.
There was a TON to criticize in that game. I do think that Weeden seemed to regress in the past couple of games. (Not counting the San Diego game played in a windstorm, or the Steelers game played against their defense who were beating up QB after QB) However, it seems like he is not taking some of the shots he took earlier in the year, and it also seems like we are seeing more predictable, and easy to defend play calls.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Martz's comments were based largely on what he witnessed on tape leading up to the KC game. The KC game merely provided more of what he saw on tape.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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