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But Weeden's strengths are pure physical tools right now. He needs to be able to make tight throws in man coverage, have quicker decision making, and be consistent. No offensive mind can help him bring together the intangibles he needs to be a successful NFL QB. This is why I can't find much fault for Shurmur's/Childress' offensive system.
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I'm just saying Weeden came from a very basic spread offense.
Why not use some of it to get him going?
Instead of forcing him under center from the start. Ease him into it.
Look how much Brady runs shotgun.
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I agree man. Play your players where they are comfortable.
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But, Weeden is most comfortable where the timing windows are bigger than the Hoover Dam. You can't exactly find that type of window that big in the NFL. Unless you're playing against a third string defense.
He's done his best work when he makes quick decisions and finds the open read. He just has to develop a sense of quick timing and not being afraid to throw it to a halfway covered WR.
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I think we should bring in Lombardi, McDaniels, and then trade our first rounder for Mallett so I can officially go cheer for another team without any worry that the Browns will become a winning franchise anytime soon.
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Maybe we should go root for Buffalo?
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The only thing Mallett has going for him over Weeden is age.
Isn't that a huge advantage?
If people don't like what Weeden brings to the game, then why would we want someone who will bring that same thing for 5 years longer than Weeden would?
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thankfully i'm in houston - i atleast can cheer texans
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Mallett's skill set and his two years of grooming are attractive. Other options include Alex Smith and the draft. Smith is an upgrade over Weeden but there are reasons behind the quarterback decisions SF has made.
I really like Tyler Wilson in this years draft but of course he would be a rookie and all draft picks and rookies have risk and a learning curve.
Alex Smith would be a downgrade or sideways move at QB. When Harbaugh took over they signed Smith to a 1 year deal because no one else wanted him. Smith came back for a second year, and has been replaced by a rookie. At least Trent Dilfer won a super bowl before he was replaced. Smith would be a mistake. The reason Smith looked good is because he was on a good team.
The reason Matt Flynn looked like a stud is because he was playing with the Packers.
The Browns are not a good team.
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I think we should bring in Lombardi, McDaniels, and then trade our first rounder for Mallett so I can officially go cheer for another team without any worry that the Browns will become a winning franchise anytime soon.
I second that motion.
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I would pass on Mallett as well. The problem is there is not much out there in the way of franchise QB. The only exception is Flacco if the Rat Birds do not sign him and there is a strong possibility that will happen. People here in Baltimore want him gone and gone yesterday. I do not think he is an elite QB but he would be an upgrade over what we have and will give us time to draft someone and develop them. His problem is the coaching staff does not use him correctly. I do not have the time to really follow every team and player so if there are better options I did not list I am sorry. But I do know that Baltimore is not sold on Flacco. If he becomes a free agent would anyone here want the Browns to take a look?
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Mcdaniels has done a lot more with Qb's than Schurmur has ever done.
I think you need to check out Sam Bradford. With essentially the exact same offense, McDaniel's took over for Shurmur in St. Louis (he brought in Brandon Lloyd midway through the season too).
Bradford started holding the ball too long, getting hit more, got injured, and he had a worse statistical year (per game) than he had under Shurmur.
I do not understand why it's such a slam-dunk that McDaniel's is a better guy than Shurmur. They both have been substandard on their own.
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Whoever we get, I want a guy with some fire. Someone who is going to get in someone's face. Get guys excited.
Crennel - Big Teddy Bear
Mangini - Captain Sour Puss
Shurmur - Gosh Darnit, People Like Me!
I want someone to show some damn passion. That stuff is contagious. Look at Seattle for crying out loud. Carroll ... who is essentially a male cheerleader ... has to be doing something right. He gets those guys up to play.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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A coach with "fire" is something that damn near everyone says is a characteristic they want in a coach. But Butch Davis had more fire than all of our other head coaches combined and most people on this board couldn't wait to run him out of town on a rail.
Of course, to bolster your point he was also, arguably, the best coach we've had since '99.
As a side note did anyone see the article on Yahoo where the author said he has talked to 2 different people in the "know" close to Nick Saban? In the article one source says no way does Saban leave Alabama. Period. The other source says Saban is already talking to possible assistants and will be announced as the Browns head coach on Jan 8 the day after Alabama plays ND.
If nothing else the next 3 weeks should be interesting. If not terrifying.....
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A coach with "fire" is something that damn near everyone says is a characteristic they want in a coach. But Butch Davis had more fire than all of our other head coaches combined and most people on this board couldn't wait to run him out of town on a rail.
Rob Ryan also had fire (that's about all he had, in my opinion). I'm not much for the rah, rah type to the extreme. I remember thinking Cowher's emotion, cheerleader like persona would wear thin on grown men, but I was very wrong.
I think what's wanted is the perfect combination of emotion with actual good coaching to go with it - like Cowher/Lombardi, etc.. Not so much Rob Ryan/Rex Ryan who appear to be windbags and not much more.
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People wanted freaking Todd Grantham to be our "Head Coach in waiting" because he had, and dressed up, like a fire (or pumpkin)...
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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I get it that after less than 1 season on a bad team, many folks have given up on Brandon Weeden... I don't see the point in bringing in another 'place holder qb'. Alex Smith, Ryan Mallet, or Joe Flacco would just be another place holder.
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I'm not much for the rah, rah type to the extreme. I remember thinking Cowher's emotion, cheerleader like persona would wear thin on grown men, but I was very wrong.
People can learn to live with a lot when you win more than 60% of your games, make the playoffs 2 out of every 3 years and win a couple championships...
That said, we pretty much only saw Cowher ranting and spitting on Sundays... I've heard he wasn't like that away from the field and that he connected very well with his players.
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Rob Ryan also had fire
I disagree. He didn't have fire, he was a clown. Gratham was all fired up all the time. When you do that the fire no longer has any impact. What you need is a smart cerebral coach who gets fired up at the right time. You do something great he is your #1 cheerleader. You screw up and he is in your face and lets you know about it.
Cowher, Sean Payton both do that. Crennell - no, Ryan - no.
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As for Butch Davis, I am not sure that I am remembering correctly but I don't think many people had issue with Butch the Coach. Everyone had issue with Butch the GM.
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As for Butch Davis, I am not sure that I am remembering correctly but I don't think many people had issue with Butch the Coach. Everyone had issue with Butch the GM.
I agree. Butch the coach did a good job. Butch the GM was horrible.
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As for Butch Davis, I am not sure that I am remembering correctly but I don't think many people had issue with Butch the Coach. Everyone had issue with Butch the GM.
I agree. Butch the coach did a good job. Butch the GM was horrible.
Um.. I had some problems with Butch the coach. And it was well known many of his players had a problem with (trusting) him.
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His gut got him in trouble, but he was winning. His front office shenanigans are what cost him his job. He is the only expansion era HC to get the Browns to the playoffs.
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