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Jimmy and Joe keep saying that they want the best of the best for the Cleveland Browns. It is clear what we have right now as far as head coach does not fit that model. Many people on this board dismiss Sean Payton because its a Cleveland thing that nothing good will ever happen. However Cleveland has a very young but talented team in a division that is transforming. Baltimore and Pittsburgh are on the downside and Cleveland and Cinccy has a big ceiling. For the first time in years the Browns have a owner who will not accept good or just contending. When Jimmy speaks he is talking about winning now and championship football. I think they will go after him hard with big money and control over the roster/players. Also the Browns has a lot to offer in a young team that is ready to win in the next year or two and win for a long time in the future. Also Sean Payton can bring the free agents to Cleveland. He is a leader and knows how to win. http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/2012/11/06...or-sean-payton/The news this week that Sean Payton’s contract with the New Orleans Saints will be finished after his year-long suspension, has sent the NFL world into a fluster. As analysts frantically try to find the best new fit for Payton, team officials of the Saints are preparing to enter negotiations with Payton, while officials of the other 31 teams are trying not to get distracted by the prospect of landing the Super Bowl winning head coach. And the fans? The fans are simply trying to find room to digest this news while being engulfed in the football on the field. As with any potential big name free agent, the knee-jerk reaction is to link them with a major market team. There is no major market team than the Dallas Cowboys. Conveniently for everyone, the Cowboys qualify as a team who are not satisfied with the performance of their head coach. Even though it is very difficult to really blame Jason Garrett, much like Tony Romo he is in a losing situation as the losing culture permeates from the top with Jerry Jones. While it makes sense for the Cowboys to go after Payton, it makes no sense for Payton to go to the Cowboys. Payton may have been with the Cowboys prior to becoming the Saints’ head coach, but he rose to prominence in Louisiana when he built a Super Bowl winning team. Should he leave New Orleans, Payton would presumably want to go to the team that gives him the best opportunity to further his legacy and win another Super Bowl. He should be more determined than ever to win a second Super Bowl after the events of last year. It may seem shocking, but Payton’s best chance at winning a Super Bowl is the Cleveland Browns. Now of course when considering what teams Payton could win with, you have to be realistic. Obviously taking over the New England Patriots or Pittsburgh Steelers would be ideal, but that’s simply never going to happen. The 2009 Super Bowl Champion Saints were built by Payton, as he used his intelligence to build an offensive juggernaut capable of carrying his team. After adding Payton, the Saints brought in Drew Brees, Reggie Bush, Marques Colston, Jahri Evans and Zach Strief in his very first year. Payton, along with the Saints’ scouting team, were excellent at identifying pieces who would flourish in his system. Even though his offense wasn’t anywhere near what it is today from a talent point of view, the Saints went from 31st in scoring the year before Payton arrived to fifth in 2006. As good as Payton was with the offense, he understood his limitations with a defense that was far from talented. Instead of having an ego that hurt his team(hello Jerry Jones!!!), Payton actively recruited Gregg Williams to come in and run his defense in 2009 and even gave up $250,000 of his salary to pay for the defensive coordinator. That showed Payton’s commitment to winning, but also his understanding of his own abilities. Understand his own abilities is very important for assessing the best fit for him moving forward. Payton is unlikely to be willing to coach in Dallas if Jerry Jones remains in control the way he is, and it wouldn’t be prudent for him. Instead, Payton would be better fit with a team where he could focus on rebuilding, redesigning or revitalizing an offense while someone else takes care of the defense. In Cleveland, the Browns are already running this system with their coaching staff as head coach Pat Shurmur is an offensive inclined head coach, while Dick Jauron primarily runs the defense. Jauron is managing a very young and talented defense who has played well this season despite missing it’s two most important players, Phil Taylor and Joe Haden. The Browns’ defense has the potential to be better than any defense the Saints ever had during Payton’s time as the head coach, while the key pieces are all young enough to still be effective well into the future. That is vital because Payton will likely need time to revamp the team’s offense. With time however, Payton would have plenty of pieces already in place in Cleveland. Rookie quarterback Brandon Weeden likely would need to be replaced, but it would be a brave man to bet against Payton getting the best out of him. Trent Richardson appears to be the next superstar running back, while Joe Thomas, Alex Mack and Mitchell Schwartz look like some of the best young players at their positions in the whole league. Throw in some talented receivers in Josh Gordon, Greg Little and Travis Benjamin for Payton to groom and build around, and the Browns have a lot in place already with the potential to build on. Jimmy Haslam’s takeover of the franchise should usher in a new era as Mike Holmgren’s departure has already been confirmed. Instead of going to the Cowboys where he would have to deal with Jones, Haslem would likely let Payton choose his own general manager if he signed on in Cleveland. Cian Fahey writes for RantSports, Irishcentral, The Guardian, Balls.ie and FootballGuys. You can follow him on twitter @Cianaf
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I never even considered Payton.. i would welcome him w/ no problem.
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Didn't even give this guy a thought because I was damn near sure he'd end up back with NO.. He's a coach I could get behind..
But if he comes here, Stop with the stupid stuff that he allowed in NO.. No Bounty gate, Cleveland Style.
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From Peter King http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/05/Week-9/index.html#ixzz2Fa2sPEAeThe Sean Payton Saga On Sunday, ESPN's Adam Schefter reported that the contract extension Sean Payton purportedly agreed to in 2011 never was approved by the league office, and Payton will become a free agent at the end of this season, when his year-long league suspension for involvement in the Saints bounty scandal expires. On FOX, Jay Glazer, who is close to Payton, quoted Payton as saying he "absolutely plans'' to stay with the Saints, and the Saints, angry that the story leaked in the first place, insisted Payton was going nowhere other than on their coaching payroll in 2013 and beyond. But the fact that the story got out tells me a few things. It's no lock that Payton will stay a Saint; if it were, he'd have agreed to a rewritten deal by now. Payton, despite his charred reputation from being the only coach in league history to be suspended for a year, would be sought after in the offseason if he chose to enter the market, with possible head-coaching vacancies in Dallas and Philadelphia looming largest. And if he does leave, owner Tom Benson will likely feel betrayed -- unless Payton convinces him for family reasons he is best off in Dallas, where his family has relocated. Benson has been hugely supportive of Payton this offseason, leasing him an office and making sure he's tethered to the organization so he can make a smooth transition back to the team once his suspension is up. Many of the possible coaching openings would be good fits for Payton. I doubt sincerely the Chargers could compete financially in Payton's $8-million-a-year league. I doubt sincerely Payton and the conservative Clark Hunt, Kansas City's owner, would be a good match. Ditto Payton and Carolina's owner Jerry Richardson. He has no connection with new Cleveland owner Jimmy Haslam, though Haslam could be very aggressive if he decides to go all-in to try to get him.  That leaves New Orleans, Dallas and Philadelphia. If Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie fires Andy Reid at the end of the season, Payton, who coached quarterbacks in Philly in 1997 and '98, would be intriguing to him, and I believe Lurie would try hard to get him. It's a Lurie kind of move, trying to head off Dallas at the pass and take the kind of jump with a playoff-ready team that would give them a chance to break out of their recent malaise. Schefter reported the league quashed the contract submitted by the Saints last year because it contained a clause that said if GM Mickey Loomis left the team, Payton could be free to leave too, even if his contract still had time on it. That'd be a bad precedent for the league, a coach having the right to void his deal if some member of the front office were no longer in the house. Would Payton be willing to trade that clause for money? Would Payton really consider abandoning Drew Brees with four years left on the great Brees' new contract when the coach returns in 2013? Could the Saints' current situation -- a troubled defense with a bloated future salary cap -- have a major impact on what Payton does? Will the Saints, battered and bruised by the mass suspensions and awful defensive performance through the first half of the season, feel pressured to do a new deal with Payton soon, with its rabid fan base in full panic mode at the thought Payton might leave? Does Payton feel it's time for him to be near his children every day, instead of being a commuter dad? I'd have liked to ask Payton or his agent, Don Yee, those questions on Sunday, but neither returned my requests for comment. I do know this: From the time he was suspended last spring, Payton was not afraid of his job prospects. I believe he knew if Benson decided to part ways with him because of the bounty stain, which I don't think Benson wants to do at all, he'd be well-positioned to get a lucrative gig somewhere else. Payton's a tremendous coach. He's imaginative, and he's a quarterback guru, and he can get players to follow what he says because they know what he says works. In this day and age, modern owners might not like the baggage of the suspension history, but Payton's so good at what he does that they'd deal with it. Happily, for many of them. Now for the Cowboys. If you saw Jerry Jones' interview with Bob Costas Sunday night on NBC, you saw the Dallas owner give what I'd call a tepid endorsement of his current coach, Jason Garrett. I know Jones really likes Garrett, but the owner also has to be frustrated with the fact that Garrett's just 16-16 in his short career as coach, and 3-5 this season following a soft offensive performance in a 19-13 loss at Atlanta Sunday night. Awful clock management likely cost the Cowboys a good shot at a win at Baltimore three weeks ago, and Tony Romo and his receivers sometimes look as though they're all college freshmen going through orientation together. Jones liked Payton when Payton was on the Dallas staff coaching quarterbacks and the passing game from 2003 to '05, and they're similar people. They work hard and play hard. Case in point, which you may remember from the 2010 Scouting Combine, from a Monday Morning Quarterback item I wrote then: On Friday night, the Saints' staff at the Combine gathered in a private room at St. Elmo Steakhouse, the 108-year-old Indy foodie landmark, for a final celebratory nod to the Super Bowl won over the Colts. This is a group that likes its wine, and likes to have fun. At the restaurant, word passed that Dallas owner Jerry Jones would have his Dallas group in this exact room Saturday night for a team dinner. Jones, one of the waiters told the Saints' group, even phoned ahead to make sure a magnum of a wine he loved, Caymus Special Selection cabernet sauvignon, was ready to be served at dinner. Sean Payton told the waiter he'd like to have that wine, too. The waiter told him: Sorry, sir. We've got only one bottle of it left, and it's reserved for Mr. Jones. Payton said he'd like to have the bottle nonetheless. I assume there was much angst on the part of the wait staff at that point. My God! Who do we . off? One of the most powerful owners in the NFL, or the coach who's the toast of the NFL, the coach who just won the Super Bowl? Here came the bottle of Caymus Special Selection, and the Saints' party drained it. But drinking Jones' wine wasn't enough. Payton gave the waiter some instructions, took out his pen ... and, well, the Cowboys party found at the middle of their table the next evening an empty magnum of Caymus Special Selection cabernet sauvignon, with these words hand-written on the fancy label: WHO DAT! World Champions XLIV Sean Payton That's the kind of thing Jones will get a big laugh out of. And remember. I don't know how this story ends. But with the Cowboys on the ropes, and the specter of Lurie facing a nutty fan base tired of the same old story, and with the Saints tired of being the NFL's punching bag, Payton could turn the biggest nightmare of his life into the biggest payday. Stay tuned. *** Read More: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/11/05/Week-9/index.html#ixzz2FiEvprif owner Jimmy Hasslam 
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Unless he really likes Foles, one of those things just ain't like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. One of those things is an elite quarterback and Sean Payton ain't dumb.
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Why would it surprise anyone that no new deal for Sean Payton has been announced when he's not permitted to have contact with the team, other than "the owner or human resources for personal reasons" ? Even if he does have a new deal in place, which wouldn't surprise me at all, announcing it mid-season would be spitting in the face of the NFL, which is the last thing the Saints need.
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And what makes anyone think that if they are going after the best of the best that Weeden is the answer or will be here long term. Its this type of short sided thinking and the defeated attitude that has doomed the city, its fans, and translates over to this team. Stop looking at whats wrong and what we don't have and look at what we do have. Geesh
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What we do have hasn't been very good. It's hard not to look at what you don't have when you are losing all the time.
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Unless he really likes Foles, one of those things just ain't like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. One of those things is an elite quarterback and Sean Payton ain't dumb.
Payton will wait until the season is over. He may talk to a couple of teams to drive up the price, but ultimately, he will resign with NO.
Only in the PS3/xbox world would Payton sign on to be the Browns coach.
Holmgren came in with great connections to guys like Gruden and others. There were no takers. Cleveland ranks as about the 29 most desirable job in the NFL.
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I would bet with the young talent we have, we have risen from the depths where we used to be. At this point, I'm sure most big name coaches want to wait and see how the whole ownership/GM/control of the roster thing works out before coming into this situation though.
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What we do have hasn't been very good. It's hard not to look at what you don't have when you are losing all the time.
Haden, Ward, Taylor, Gordon, Alex Smith, Little, Rucker, Benjamin, Dawson, Hardesty, Richardson, D'Qwell, Rubin, Schwartz, Sheard, Thomas, Watson, and Winn. So all these players suck? So none of these players would start on another NFL team? Maybe its not the players but how they are being coached or used. Listening to you we should just accept the fact we can never be good or win anything.
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Even so, do you think the #1 coaching FA will land at the #29 most desirable job? That would be like Nick Saban allowing his Alabama contract to expire so he could take the Northern Montana State A&M job.
It comes down to connections. Who are Banner/Lombardi connected to? McDaniels makes the most sense. The Browns may flirt with Saban. It would be a major coup to get Saban. But, I suspect we will have to have a fall back... and that looks like McDaniels.
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Unless he really likes Foles, one of those things just ain't like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. One of those things is an elite quarterback and Sean Payton ain't dumb.
Payton will wait until the season is over. He may talk to a couple of teams to drive up the price, but ultimately, he will resign with NO.
Only in the PS3/xbox world would Payton sign on to be the Browns coach.
Holmgren came in with great connections to guys like Gruden and others. There were no takers. Cleveland ranks as about the 29 most desirable job in the NFL.
So glad you know for a fact he wont come to Cleveland. All I am saying is other people believe Cleveland has a lot to offer and we have a owner who is willing to pay whatever it takes and is serious about building a team.
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And what makes anyone think that if they are going after the best of the best that Weeden is the answer or will be here long term. Its this type of short sided thinking and the defeated attitude that has doomed the city, its fans, and translates over to this team. Stop looking at whats wrong and what we don't have and look at what we do have. Geesh
My point was that Payton isn't going anywhere he doesn't believe in the QB solution. If he doesn't believe Weeden is going to be a top10 QB, then he needs to see if he can get one. Well, no top10 QB is available via FA this season. That leaves the draft where the Browns will likely pick around #10 with no surefire bet at QB this year.
So, if Weeden isn't the answer, then what is Payton's answer for QB?
In NO, he doesn't even have to consider the question.
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So glad you know for a fact he wont come to Cleveland. All I am saying is other people believe Cleveland has a lot to offer and we have a owner who is willing to pay whatever it takes and is serious about building a team.
I will bet you $100 that Payton does not sign with Cleveland. I will pay you through PayPal if he does. You can do the same. 
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Maybe Payton will discover from his time off that he likes sleeping in, and so he'll sign with Dallas or Philly because he knows he won't be playing until 8PM every week.
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That'd be a great hire for Cleveland... don't think it'll ever happen...
he'll either stay in NO where he is beloved by the fans, has one of the best QBs in the league and an owner he gets along with or go to Dallas for his family... but Dallas would be a tough pill... it's a rival with an owner who wants total control and the QB is a major step down from the one you have.
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So glad you know for a fact he wont come to Cleveland. All I am saying is other people believe Cleveland has a lot to offer and we have a owner who is willing to pay whatever it takes and is serious about building a team.
I will bet you $100 that Payton does not sign with Cleveland. I will pay you through PayPal if he does. You can do the same.
First I don't bet but thanks anyway. Second never said he was coming here. I just do not understand the dismissive attitude.
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And what makes anyone think that if they are going after the best of the best that Weeden is the answer or will be here long term. Its this type of short sided thinking and the defeated attitude that has doomed the city, its fans, and translates over to this team. Stop looking at whats wrong and what we don't have and look at what we do have. Geesh
My point was that Payton isn't going anywhere he doesn't believe in the QB solution. If he doesn't believe Weeden is going to be a top10 QB, then he needs to see if he can get one. Well, no top10 QB is available via FA this season. That leaves the draft where the Browns will likely pick around #10 with no surefire bet at QB this year.
So, if Weeden isn't the answer, then what is Payton's answer for QB?
In NO, he doesn't even have to consider the question.
Maybe he wants a challenge? Maybe he wants a legacy of bringing a championship to Cleveland? As far as QB goes I don't have the answer. Maybe he can help Weeden be successful.
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First I don't bet but thanks anyway. Second never said he was coming here. I just do not understand the dismissive attitude.
Payton is the #1 coaching FA. He will be highly sought after. The Browns are at or near the bottom of the league as far as desirable jobs go.
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Even so, do you think the #1 coaching FA will land at the #29 most desirable job? That would be like Nick Saban allowing his Alabama contract to expire so he could take the Northern Montana State A&M job.
It comes down to connections. Who are Banner/Lombardi connected to? McDaniels makes the most sense. The Browns may flirt with Saban. It would be a major coup to get Saban. But, I suspect we will have to have a fall back... and that looks like McDaniels.
There was no connection to Alec Scheiner but they hired him. They have said over and over they will not limited themselves to who they know when it comes to building this team. Until they prove me wrong I will trust them.
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First I don't bet but thanks anyway. Second never said he was coming here. I just do not understand the dismissive attitude.
Payton is the #1 coaching FA. He will be highly sought after. The Browns are at or near the bottom of the league as far as desirable jobs go.
Based on your thinking Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, or any other coach would refuse to come to Cleveland. If I understand you correctly the only coaches Cleveland can land is loser coaches with a track record of losing? Why even like a team if you think so little of them?
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Unless he really likes Foles, one of those things just ain't like the others. One of those things just doesn't belong. One of those things is an elite quarterback and Sean Payton ain't dumb.
I get your drift, and if Brees was a youngster I'd agree 100% but Brees is 33. He's got some good years left for sure.
Romo was, IMO, a wannabe. To me it's a proven..
Foles is an unknown..
Weeden has the tools, can he be coached to be better? I think so.
But Weeden is a little long in the tooth also, But he has more years in him than Brees.
For my money, of the four choices he has open, I'd put NO as 1, Cleveland as 2 and pickum for 3.
If Haslam wants him, he'll pay him more than anyone else. so if it comes to money, Cleveland jumps to 1, Dallas 2, NO 3.. I don't think Lurie will empty the piggy bank
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Listening to you we should just accept the fact we can never be good or win anything.
I will state at this time that I have no freaking idea what you are talking about... Listening to me? What exactly have I said that would lead to believe that I think we should just accept the fact we can never be good or win anything?
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Is that the quote you are using for reference when you say that "Listening to me we are always going to suck and have no talent"?
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Based on your thinking Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, or any other coach would refuse to come to Cleveland. If I understand you correctly the only coaches Cleveland can land is loser coaches with a track record of losing? Why even like a team if you think so little of them?
I like the Browns because I grew up watching them in the 1980s. I grew up on Bernie Kosar throwing to Webster Slaughter, Reggie Langhorne, Brian Brennan. I vaguely remember Ozzie. I remember Earnest Byner, Kevin Mack, and Eric Metcalf. Those are the guys that drew me to the Browns. Art Modell doomed the city. Since 1999, the Browns have been bad. The degrees of bad have changed over the years, but they have remained bad just the same.
I hope I am wrong...
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If he was our coach this year we would be in the playoffs.
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Yes, that's exactly what I said.
And your basing your judgement on what exactly? Just your feelings because it can not be based on facts. Are they all the top in their position? No but No team as the best player at every position. To say this team has no talent and all these players are nothing more than bench warmers shows a serious lack of knowledge.
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Considering this is a thread about a coach... and I said I'm tired of losing... perhaps I was talking about the coach? or some of the players? or the organization as a whole? or perhaps I was just making a statement about being tired of losing and being a bit envious of other teams that win.....
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Listening to you we should just accept the fact we can never be good or win anything.
I will state at this time that I have no freaking idea what you are talking about... Listening to me? What exactly have I said that would lead to believe that I think we should just accept the fact we can never be good or win anything?
Maybe the fact you say we have no one on our roster who could start for another NFL team?
It must have been this quote from directly above yours...
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I would bet with the young talent we have, we have risen from the depths where we used to be. At this point, I'm sure most big name coaches want to wait and see how the whole ownership/GM/control of the roster thing works out before coming into this situation though.
Is that the quote you are using for reference when you say that "Listening to me we are always going to suck and have no talent"?
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Wow Baltimore, you are going to pull a hammy if you keep jumping to conclusions like that. Quote:
Based on your thinking Chip Kelly, Nick Saban, or any other coach would refuse to come to Cleveland.
Not that they would... but if they have interest from multiple teams, why would they pick Cleveland? What is it in our last 20 years that would lead a highly sought after coach to think, "Yea, I can go there and win."?
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If I understand you correctly the only coaches Cleveland can land is loser coaches with a track record of losing? Why even like a team if you think so little of them?
Obviously you don't understand him correctly.
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I just wish people would stop living and using the Brown's past when talking about the future. The new ownership has brought a different philosophy and new attitude and people around the league know it. Fans have been so use to bad ownership, bad teams, bad players, and bad front office they do not know how to have confidence in their team and their ownership. They act like an abused dog that has been kicked since a puppy and has been adopted by a loving family and has not learned to trust them. If this team was still under previous ownership I would agree 100%. But at some point we have to get over the past and accept Jimmy and his desire and willingness to bring the best to his team. We have never had a owner like him and I know its new but at some time we need to let go and move on. We say we want a winning attitude from the team but that goes for the fans to. All this gloom and doom and no one wants to come here and we are the the most undesirable team in the NFL is amazing. We are at the start of creating a championship team and anyone with an open mind and has studied what Jimmy has done in his life and the type of man he is would see that.
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that's great. and a reason to think about optimism for the future. we have a bunch of good young pieces, yes.
however, none of that means a guy like Sean Payton is going to pick the Browns over the Saints (the team he won a Superbowl coaching and has an elite QB in Brees), the Cowboys (if he likes Romo, he has connections there and his family still lives in Dallas), or potentially other places.
I don't think anyone on here is willing to just take scraps. But, it doesn't mean that we can just expect Sean Payton to come to Cleveland to "take on the challenge" either.
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The new ownership has brought a different philosophy and new attitude and people around the league know it. Fans have been so use to bad ownership, bad teams, bad players, and bad front office they do not know how to have confidence in their team and their ownership.
All of those talented players that you referenced before that I'm supposed to be so happy about.. they were brought here by the old ownership and the old management... I was just finally starting to trust THEM.
this new ownership has done absolutely nothing to this point to earn my trust.. People around the league have started saying nice things about the Browns which is great but that's because we have played better and actually had a 3 game win streak... which had nothing to do with the new owner.
I want to trust the new owner, but in the next couple months this group is going to have a lot of decisions to make... it will be interested to see if they build on what we've started or tear it apart and try to start over.
Its like I want to love and be loved, but I've had my heart crushed so many times that I just have trouble believing that this time it's for real... You say you're different than all the guys before you, how can I believe that?  
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Its like I want to love and be loved, but I've had my heart crushed so many times that I just have trouble believing that this time it's for real... You say you're different than all the guys before you, how can I believe that?
I will add a thought... The Browns have hit the "reset" button at either the QB/HC/GM (1 of the 3) level essentially every year since 2001. We have had high round QBs (Couch, Quinn, Weeden), mid-round QBs (Luke McCown, Charlie Frye), and a late round QB (Derek Anderson). We have tried the veteran QB (Ty Detmer). We tried the super bowl winning game manager QB (Trent Dilfer). We had the exciting pro-bowl top level FA QB (Jeff Garcia). There have been several other QBs mixed in there as well... McCoy, Spergon Wynn, etc.
We had Chris Palmer who had been a good coordinator. Then, we went to the big named college coach Butch Davis. Then, super bowl champion DC Romeo Crennel to Mangini to Shurmur.
Dwight Clark to Butch Davis to Phil Savage to Holmgren and Heckert.
We hit the reset button A LOT. Each time we muster the energy to say, "This will be the time because ..."
Well, I am not excited about hitting the reset button again.
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At this point anybody but Mr Clueless would be a improvement.
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Its like I want to love and be loved, but I've had my heart crushed so many times that I just have trouble believing that this time it's for real... You say you're different than all the guys before you, how can I believe that?
I will add a thought... The Browns have hit the "reset" button at either the QB/HC/GM (1 of the 3) level essentially every year since 2001. We have had high round QBs (Couch, Quinn, Weeden), mid-round QBs (Luke McCown, Charlie Frye), and a late round QB (Derek Anderson). We have tried the veteran QB (Ty Detmer). We tried the super bowl winning game manager QB (Trent Dilfer). We had the exciting pro-bowl top level FA QB (Jeff Garcia). There have been several other QBs mixed in there as well... McCoy, Spergon Wynn, etc.
We had Chris Palmer who had been a good coordinator. Then, we went to the big named college coach Butch Davis. Then, super bowl champion DC Romeo Crennel to Mangini to Shurmur.
Dwight Clark to Butch Davis to Phil Savage to Holmgren and Heckert.
We hit the reset button A LOT. Each time we muster the energy to say, "This will be the time because ..."
Well, I am not excited about hitting the reset button again.
I agree I really do. I love this team and have endured being a fan for a long time. I have lived in Pittsburgh and Baltimore over the past 9 years. How do you think I feel being a Browns fan living among these people? This team has been a joke since it came back because the owner was a joke and never made owning this team his top priority. He always passed that off to someone else and cared more about the profit than the product. From everything I have read about this new owner he is a football fan. He has taken time to learn about our team history, the city, and its fans. He has admitted he does not know everything and has talked to successful owners to get their perspectives. As I stated before I think the hiring of Alec Scheiner as the teams president is some proof of his statements that he would look outside their "connections" to fill openings with the best people in the league. Yes he has much to prove over the next few months but please let's not just write people off because of where we are or where we have been. One of the things that make the Patriots, Steelers, Ravens, and others is they all have great ownership that are leaders and refuse to settle for mediocrity in their organization. I see that same philosophy in Jimmy.
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Cleveland ranks as about the 29 most desirable job in the NFL.
I would bet with the young talent we have, we have risen from the depths where we used to be. At this point, I'm sure most big name coaches want to wait and see how the whole ownership/GM/control of the roster thing works out before coming into this situation though.
That's not how it will work. interested parties will come to town, interview, get the facts and if offered, will accept or decline based on what the offer is.. That includes more than just the money, it will be responsibility, authority etc.
I say this because, if the candidate they chose is say, Shurmur, he'll have a different level of authority than a Sean Payton for instance.That's more of a function of the credidentials of the coach than anything else, Payton is a proven winner, Shurmur isn't.
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I just wish people would stop living and using the Brown's past when talking about the future. The new ownership has brought a different philosophy and new attitude and people around the league know it.
All we or anyone else knows is what he has said.
Let me ask you a question.... What else would a new owner say" Something like this?........
Well, I know the fans aren't happy with losing but I'm not sure if I can fix that. I really have zero experience running, building an NFL team or making football decisions, but just stick with me and we'll find out what I can or can't do. I mean I did own a small percentage of a team that was already built for just a little while."
....... Oh yeah, that would have been real smart!
So far, all Haslam has done is hire a guy who many dispise in Philly (Banner) and a pencil pusher. Nothing more and nothing less. Oh he has said all of the right things, but wanting to be active in the teams day to day operations and decisions? For all we know, he could be the next Al Davis or Jerry Jones.
We don't KNOW anything yet accept he knew how to say all of the right things. Anyone saying otherwise is lost in the BS somewhere.
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Fans have been so use to bad ownership, bad teams, bad players, and bad front office they do not know how to have confidence in their team and their ownership.
Can you please tell me hat Haslam has done in the world of football that gives you so much confidence? What evidence do you or anyone else have that shows us he will have this success you claim is coming?
Trust and confidence are things that are earned, not given. Unless of course you just blindly believe everything someone says and hype with nothing factual to base it on. For all we know the new owner could be just as bad until we have some proof one way or the other and all the BS you can spew doesn't and won't change that.
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They act like an abused dog that has been kicked since a puppy and has been adopted by a loving family and has not learned to trust them.
Until you get far enough along in life that you figure out trust is something earned and not given, you're in for a lot of disapointment.....
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But at some point we have to get over the past and accept Jimmy and his desire and willingness to bring the best to his team. We have never had a owner like him
So you don't believe all 32 owners in the NFL have the same desire and willingness to make their team succeed? It's one thing to have these lofty goals. I'd bet money that everyone Lerner hired he felt would do that very same thing.
There's a difference in having those goals and having the ability and know how to achieve them.
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I know its new but at some time we need to let go and move on.
Do you know how much money and how many times Lerner paid off contracts trying to hire better people to make this team a winner? Do you have any idea how many FO changes that have been "moved on and let go" to try to make this team a winner?
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We say we want a winning attitude from the team but that goes for the fans to. All this gloom and doom and no one wants to come here and we are the the most undesirable team in the NFL is amazing.
If Haslam has half a brain, which I think he does, he understands the fans are frustrated and he will have to earn our respect. He's not a fool as some seem to think we are.
Okay, so Holmgren was very well known and liked with a high success record in the NFL and nobody would come here for him, but a truck stop magnet with limited NFL experience somehow changes all of that?
And Banner with his track record of not wanting to pay big $$ to re-sign his better players or pay high FA dollars now suddenly changes that?
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We are at the start of creating a championship team
Something we've heard since 99 by several different people.
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anyone with an open mind and has studied what Jimmy has done in his life and the type of man he is would see that.
So the fact that he is a good businessman and has built a chain of truck stops is some great indicator that we'll NFL Champions, attract top tier HC's and FA's and become the next Patriots?
Let me explain something to you. Al Lerner was much more wealthy than Haslam is. He was a much more successful businessman. He had been a minority owner of the Browns under Modell far longer than Haslam was with the Steelers.
To that degree they had similarities. The only real difference we know of as of this moment in time is Haslam is better in a press confrence, knows how to get people worked up even if he has done nothing here to this point ( see your posts above as a refrance ), and he wants to be more involved
Now this more involved thing could be a Robert Kraft more involved or it could be an Al Davis/Jerry Jones thing. We don't know right now.
But I'll tell you one thing for sure, for a man who has talked so much but done so little here to this point, he sure has convinced you based on next to nothing at this point, to be one of his biggest cheerleaders. And to this point, the Browns don't even have cheerleaders!
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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I would be shocked if Peyton lands in C-Town....don't hold your breath!
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I don't know if Payton will land in Cleveland. But I can certainly hope he does! What a spectacular fit in my opinion. I would absolutely love that move.
That means it probably won't happen. lol
On a sidebar, I thought I read somewhere that Mickey Loomis would be part of the deal as well. Where ever Payton goes, Loomis comes with. May have heard it on the radio when I was driving to Virginia, I'm not sure.
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Despite what I've written earlier in this thread, I agree with you. he's not coming here.
I wouldn't be at all shocked to see any of the following land here:
Reid
McDaniels
Ariens
And the only one of the bunch that actually excites me is Ariens and I would NOT have said that until I've actually seen him in the HC role with Indy. He did a damn fine job with them as the interim HC.
Hard to argue with the facts on that one.
Reid is burned out I think.. JMO. I have no info saying that, just what I think
McDaniels seems to be a very good OC. I mean, he got a lot out of Cassel, did a decent job with that guy he had in denver who's name escapes me at the moment. Of course, he was the HC then, but I think he was more of a OC,, just had the HC title.
Maybe in a different setting, with someone else picking the players, him concentrating on coaching, he might be good. Just don't know.
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