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Positing in the NBA thread got me wondering. The Cavs and Browns seem to both be young with talent mixed in while the Indians just received a big influx of money. Which team in your opinion has the best chance of breaking the Cleveland Sports trend? MLB: Cleveland Indians - Recent sale of STO and signing of Nick Swisher. NBA: Cleveland Cavaliers - #1 pick Kyrie Irving is already considered one of the best PGs in the NBA, has some injury risk. Multiple drafts picks including another lottery pick in 2013. NFL: Cleveland Browns - Recent sale to Jimmy Haslem, team showed what was thought to be positive progress but has dropped off as of late. Honorable Mention: Cleveland Crush (Lingere Football League)  
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where's the 'none of the above' option? 
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I'm going to say the Browns ONLY because unexpected turnarounds happen pretty frequently in the NFL. The Indians will be a mess for years to come. The NBA is a joke that will end up revolving around a handful of "super" teams (of which Cleveland will never be one). So, the Browns are this town's best hope for a contender. How depressing is THAT. 
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Assuming that by "brightest future" you mean "contending", you'd have to say the Browns are closest. IMO, they are a dynamic coach and a better-than-average QB away from contending. I'm not saying Weeden can't be that guy, but as of yet, I don't see it. What bugs me most about Weeden are the missing intangibles - leadership, fire, determination. He seems passive. But maybe that will develop with some confidence in his coach and offensive scheme. Maybe not.
The Indians have never recovered from losing two Cy Young award pitchers. In a 162 game schedule you simply must have 2 front-of-the-rotation starters, and 2-3 more solid starters. I'm not even sure we have 2 solid starters, much less aces. Imagining CC and Cliff Lee still on this team makes me a little sick - they'd be perennial contenders if they'd had a measly 45 million more to spend per year.
I've not paid attention to the Cavs or the NBA since the Price- Daugherty-Nance years, but it appears we are two superstars short of the requisite three to be a contender. NBA rockstars do not want to play here, period, the end.
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Browns first, because of this new ownership combined with this young talented roster, then you figure in how the NFL works and the quick turnarounds we seem to see every year. This team could be very good in the next year or too. If they get the right coach it could be next year.
I can't pick between the other two for who's second. I think the Indians have done some nice things over the last few weeks. The new influx of money could be helpful if they really decide to get serious, and I think Terry Francona brings a sense of urgency to the franchise. I don't think he's gonna stand for some of the crap we've been fed by this organization over the last 4 years. The league is still about spending, but teams are finding ways to work around that. I still believe you have to spend something in this league to win.
The Cavs have some pieces but are a virtual mess. Their superstar point guard can't stay healthy, they are getting no production from the small forward position which is the premiere position in the NBA right now. I think people expected more out of Byron Scott by this point now, although I think he's been stuck with a team that can't really compete. The amazing thing is if the Cavs can find a way to maybe nail down another lottery player, or possibly two if they can deal Andy, and Lebron does come back? The Cavs shoot up to number one in this poll and it's not even close. The other two would be a distant 2nd and 3rd. Welcome to the NBA.
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I believe the Browns are in the best position, followed by the Cavs, followed (as a distant third) the Indians..
The decisions the Browns make over the next couple weeks will determine if it continues forward or if it is set back, they have a lot of good players in place who need direction and leadership from an energetic and creative coaching staff...... the Cavs are a little experience and one more really good player away from being pretty competitive and from finding out whether they have the right coach or not..... The Indians are so far away I don't even have time to tell you everything they need to be competitive...
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Indians they can win by being a better team and getting hot. You don't just win with super star players.
Browns need high level QB play which I don't think will happen.
Cavs need more super stars which they won't get.
So I pick the Indians
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Indians they can win by being a better team and getting hot. You don't just win with super star players.
well, they would need pitchers pitching at a superstar level. and at least 3 of them. i think that puts them far off at the moment.
but, you are right, if they can hit the postseason, then you never know what might happen on a baseball diamond.
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it's weird though. if we ever "hit" on that QB, then all of a sudden we might be a contender (like what happened to the Saints). a singular event that might be tied to a bit of randomness as well (see: Tom Brady, Kurt Warner, etc.)
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Depends. Shabazz might be that player. We might get him. Put him on the Cavs and actually have them play defense and we'd rise rather quickly. Yeah, big steps on all fronts though.
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I'm hesitantly going with the Browns. As much as I like Francona, I think coaching/managing matters more in football and we had a heck of a coaching infusion this offseason. I'm going to go with that for now.
all teams are further away than we would like them to be.
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Since all three kinda suck and I assume they'll stay sucky....it comes down to which sport will let a semi-good team into the playoffs and then play hot to win a title.
The Browns can't do that until they get a QB and the division is stacked against them. Plus, the NFL playoffs don't let enough in....so, not likely.
The Cavs can get into the playoffs, since there are 8 spots in each conference. But upsets rarely happen. And like everyone said, they can't really add to the team unless they get lucky in the draft. Possible, but that can be years of waiting. Not likely.
The Indians. As bad as they finished, they started just as hot. They only need to find a way to play all 162 like that (easier said than done). Ultimately, they don't have the depth to contend all year.....but if they snuck into the last wild card spot, who knows. The MLB playoffs tend to cater to the hot team, not the best team. Probably the Indians.
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I can't put the Indians at 1, because they just don't have the pitching, and if you don't have the pitching, you have zero chance.
They had the pitching and decided it was more important to pocket money and build through other prospects. I'm not starting an argument, just stating the facts.
If the Browns find a QB in this draft, or if Brandon Weeden finds himself, this team is right there for serious competition. You saw it with Seattle and Wilson.
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They had the pitching and decided it was more important to pocket money and build through other prospects.
or, they felt that building a roster when 2 guys are taking up $50mil of a $75mil budget is not the correct way to do things (and we still had Hafner for another $13mil of that budget at the time).
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Is there any truth to the Browns wanting
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They had the pitching and decided it was more important to pocket money and build through other prospects.
or, they felt that building a roster when 2 guys are taking up $50mil of a $75mil budget is not the correct way to do things (and we still had Hafner for another $13mil of that budget at the time).
Like I said, I'm not starting an argument, just stating the fact that they HAD the pitching. Although you can argue that the only thing better off since they dumped both of those Cy Young award winners is Larry Dolan's pockets. What would have happened if we kept both of them, we'd risk being bad? Yikes, wouldn't want that to happen.
I can't put the Indians as one with freaking Ubaldo and Justin Masterson as their anchors.
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Has to be the Cavs, and it isn't that close in my mind. I'd have the Browns and Tribe about even. The Cavs already have the superstar, have the picks already acquired, are in a spot to add big during free agency, and have the easiest league to compete in. There are only 5 players on the floor at one time. A Nick Swisher-like signing in the NBA can make a bad team a playoff team.
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Has to be the Cavs, and it isn't that close in my mind. I'd have the Browns and Tribe about even. The Cavs already have the superstar, have the picks already acquired, are in a spot to add big during free agency, and have the easiest league to compete in. There are only 5 players on the floor at one time. A Nick Swisher-like signing in the NBA can make a bad team a playoff team.
It's easy to "compete"
But it's brutal as hell to win a title. Probably the hardest is the NBA. If you're not a truly better team, you won't win 4/7 times consistently in the playoffs. Officiating is rigged too.
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If the NBA was truly rigged, don't you think the Cavs would have beaten the Magic to advance to the Finals? A dream Kobe vs. Lebron setup! Nobody wanted to see Orlando there.
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If the NBA was truly rigged, don't you think the Cavs would have beaten the Magic to advance to the Finals? A dream Kobe vs. Lebron setup! Nobody wanted to see Orlando there.
if the NBA wanted to see the Cavs in that Finals, then wouldn't they have leaked the Rashard Lewis news earlier?
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If the NBA was truly rigged, don't you think the Cavs would have beaten the Magic to advance to the Finals? A dream Kobe vs. Lebron setup! Nobody wanted to see Orlando there.
I don't think the NBA is rigged. However, the inmates are definitely running the asylum. 
I'm not a basketball fan. At all. If I was though, I'd probably focus on college ball. The NBA is just about unwatchable IMO.
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It's gotta be the Cavs
PG - Irving - may develop into THE best PG in the game
SG - Waiters
SF - Free Agent/Lottery Pick (see discussion below)
PF - Tristan Thompson
C - Tyler Zeller/Varejao
If the Cavs get someone like Shabazz (7 foot wingspan) in this draft and get another free agent in the mix, they could become instant playoff contenders within 2 years. This team could be built like OKC and I don't think they're really too far away from being legitimate title contenders if the players can develop or if we hit on this year's lottery pick, especially if Irving can stay healthy.
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If the NBA was truly rigged, don't you think the Cavs would have beaten the Magic to advance to the Finals? A dream Kobe vs. Lebron setup! Nobody wanted to see Orlando there.
I don't think the NBA is rigged to pick winners and losers but I think there is a pretty obvious attempt to make sure big name guys get the calls (or no calls) they need the vast majority of the time..
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The NBA is set up to let these guards and wing players dictate the game. Back in the day, you could really rough up the guy with the ball, and some of the other guards. The game was controlled by teams with good big men. There are still very good big guys that play well, but a lot of them have moved up in position (4's to 3's 3's to 2's, and in some cases these guys all handle the ball like 1's)
A lot of people bag on these guys today because they have it easy, and I think that is somewhat true, but could you imagine what Lebron could do in an era where you could let him get rough with somebody in the backcourt? He could literally shut off any team's best player, outside of some centers. What about Ron Metta Artest?
I don't think the game has shifted to this 1 on 1 type game that a lot of people just love to throw that blanket statement over, but it's definitely much different. The good teams still run very good plays. The Miami Heat for as much as they are hated, play excellent defense. The Boston Celtics over the last 5 years have played pretty solid fundamental basketball. The bad teams resort to much more of the 1 on 1 stuff, but bad teams in every game do stuff you shouldn't always do.
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I agree especially on the 1on1 stuff. really, it's college basketball that has suffered with more 1on1 stuff because alot of the "best" teams are not kept together for years at a time anymore.
Just look at UCLA this season for a great example.
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and don't forget Greg Oden!
http://tracking.si.com/2013/01/29/greg-oden-return-heat-cavs-nba/
It may sound stupid ..... but I'd definitely take a chance on Oden. I wouldn't give him a $7 million deal or anything like that ....... but a reasonable "show me" deal could be a huge payoff for the Cavaliers.
We would have Varejao, Oden, Zeller, Thompson, and Speights up front. Man .... with Irving and Waiters at the G spots ....... Miles, Ellington, and Livingston at the backup spots ....... and Gee as a backup at SF when we bring back Lebron in 2014 ........ well, look out NBA.  lol
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i would definitely give Oden a chance as well. very little risk in that it's reportedly around a 1year $4mil contract (for next season).
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I agree especially on the 1on1 stuff. really, it's college basketball that has suffered with more 1on1 stuff because alot of the "best" teams are not kept together for years at a time anymore.
Just look at UCLA this season for a great example.
I think part of that makes the college game kind of exciting. The smaller schools that are able to keep kids for 3 and 4 years have a small advantage over the bigger schools with the better recruits. Combine that with a 40 minute game, and only 5 fouls to work with and I think that's why the tournament is so good every year.
I think if players had to play at least 3 years, you probably wouldn't see a lot of cinderella schools doing their thing.
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yes, that is a great point on why some of the smaller schools can establish themselves better.
you also have to add in that the tourney is a 1-and-done just like the players unlike the NBA where you have to win 4 out of 7, which makes it harder to pull the upset.
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None of them are really close to contending at this point. I don't see the Indians or Browns making the post-season in their next two seasons, and if the Cavs do it'll be 7th or 8th seed, or because LeBron opted out of his deal and came back.
The Cavs are waaaay behind schedule at this point. For everyone that wants to compare their building process to OKC's...OKC won 50 games in Durant's third year. Barring some massive changes, the Cavs probably won't sniff 35 wins in Kyrie's third year.
Indians will have to show me that they can win consistently after June 1st before I ever pick them to do anything.
The Browns I'm excited for with the new coaching staff, but I think even .500 is a lofty expectation for next season.
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Both the Cavs and the Browns are really one superstar away from being contenders IMO. (Not to say the Cavs don't already have Kyrie, they just need another to compete in the modern NBA) The question will be whether it is easier for the Cavs to get a superstar before the Browns find out if Weeden will be that player or if they can find a high quality QB. I am crazy about the new coaching staff for the Browns. I see last years squad as a wildcard team under the right conditions. (No Haden, No Taylor, Injured Richardson, and a Shurmur offense was harsh) If Weeden takes a jump next year under Chud I see no reason they can't make a playoff run. I would never suggest the Indians because no one cares about baseball any ways
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I think you have to put the Indians first with this latest move. I still have questions about their pitching, because Ubaldo and Masterson are not guaranteed to put up 15 wins. Still a gamble to pick them to make the playoffs, but I think they have a slightly better shot over the Browns.
Browns still ahead of the Cavs. The Cavs are 2 players, and maybe 1-2 smaller depth signings/trades away from playoffs. The Browns need to stablize their coaching staff which looks like could happen with this group, and they need to figure out who their QB is. I still like the overall feel of the Browns right now.
The good thing is the future of all these teams looks great. The next 4-5 years should be really fun.
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well, that's their current standing in the AL Central!!!
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I am going to go with all of the above. Sure ... I'm a homer ..... but I am an unrepentant homes. 
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