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Is anyone troubled by Shurmur saying he hasn't had any contact with Joe or Jimmy in the past few weeks? I'd toss that up as a strike against both men.
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It would be hard to work through for sure.
Zero input?! Not very professional IMHO.
I already feel Banner is a little weasle and
Haslam, should he be wrong right off the bat, sets a
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Is anyone troubled by Shurmur saying he hasn't had any contact with Joe or Jimmy in the past few weeks? I'd toss that up as a strike against both men.
Not me. Sounds like a decision has been made and why waste the time.?
Why would you want the opinion of someone you are going to can at seasons end?
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Why not just can the guy midseason if you already made up your mind?
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Why not just can the guy midseason if you already made up your mind?
Maybe you want to keep the replacement but not as coach?
I have never been big on mid-season replacements. Just finish it out.
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Why not just can the guy midseason if you already made up your mind?
I agree with that 100%. If someone is not wanted, no need to drag it out, just fire the guy. Should've canned them all when homie Holmgren was let loose.
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Why? They have to pay the guy anyways and if they are looking at current coaches and assistant coaches for his replacement they can't do anything till the end of the season anyways.
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Why not just can the guy midseason if you already made up your mind?
^THIS^ it speaks to what we can expect from this front office. Remember Banners goal once fired/left Philly was to buy and sell struggling Frachises. Banner is looking for his golden parachute once he destroys the team.
Tons of young talent in place watch them start to win then take all the credit and get out before all his hires muck the thing up before it really got started.
Mark my words we will contend next year and I feel make the playoffs with what we have and the draft/FA added in.
The year after that we will again be relevent.
3rd year we will be Philly or Detroit this year. Money guys will all ride off into the sunset laughing all the way, much like many accuse Holmgren of doing.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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just because they decided already they didn't want the guy doesn't mean they have someone they believe to be capable of taking over for the remainder of the season. you're already paying them and unless you feel someone else you're already paying is going to make it better, best to just leave it alone and ride it out.
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Thats Banners signature. Dont sign your pro bowlers and go get crappy, overpaid Fa's.
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Chilly or Jaroun are more than capable of taking over for a few months. They were paying Mike too, but they cut him loose. On tv they said Shurmur hasn't talked to Banner since he was hired. If you dislike the man that much, just put him out of his misery.
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Is anyone troubled by Shurmur saying he hasn't had any contact with Joe or Jimmy in the past few weeks? I'd toss that up as a strike against both men.
Not me. Sounds like a decision has been made and why waste the time.?
Why would you want the opinion of someone you are going to can at seasons end?
My thoughts on it exactly... if they knew he was going to be let go then you don't have to have that much interaction with him. I do think the owner and CEO should work closely with the coach, but if they were planning on firing the guy and the season was already lost, then to not talk to him isn't that big of a deal for me.
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u said "much" interaction.. Shurmur said there was NO interaction.. big difference and unprofessional IMO.
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u said "much" interaction.. Shurmur said there was NO interaction.. big difference and unprofessional IMO.
I doubt there was no interaction. I am sure they they said hello every now and then.
Again. I ask why??
Just let it play out, then make your move.
Shurmer got his chance.
I am certain that if we did let him go 2-3-4 games ago, another group of posters would be moaning about him not being given the whole season.
Just saying...
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u said "much" interaction.. Shurmur said there was NO interaction.. big difference and unprofessional IMO.
Agree. So they are the incoming regime, doesn't mean that he couldn't either learn something, or even discover that they have a lot in common and maybe Shurmer is the right coach after all (I don't think he is either), but how could Banner know that if he never took the time to talk to him and find out.
Doesn't sound thorough to me; 'let's ignore who is in the office right now, a mind we can pick about players here currently, naw, let's ignore that, because I know better than him with my vast football knowledge' . That's what it appears to me to be banner's attitude, don't tell me you are thorough when you ignore the coach currently in the building.
Arrogance also, we can all learn something from everyone, some far less than others, but Shurmer isn't an idiot in football, and to pick his brain would be a benefit to anyone getting back into football. You don't have to agree with him, or his philosophy to possibly learn something, but you never will learn if you don't at least communicate, at least marginally. Find out more about the players on the roster, etc.
I didn't like it when I heard it and I still don't. Just because you know you are going to fire him doesn't mean you can't treat him professionally and maybe even find out more about the team you are taking over and perhaps get a step ahead on things.
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You guys act like you know what went on, so maybe you do know what went on....tell us.
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I could be wrong but you wont find many that felt Shurmur was a good coach. We've talked about it all season. His fate although denyed was sealed around the indy game.
Haslam and Banner have in effect said we know this guy sucks but we will keep him around because, well, you will buy tickets anyway we dont need to make a change. Hows your experence at the stadium did you buy a program? Was your hot dog good? How can we make this better for the fan to buy more stuff?
Oh the stuff on the field? Who cares you will show up anyway. After all you voted Hillis to the cover of madden We dont even talk to the coach he doesnt matter.
Did you have any problems getting from your parking spot into the stadium faster to buy a beer?
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I could be wrong but you wont find many that felt Shurmur was a good coach. We've talked about it all season. His fate although denyed was sealed around the indy game.
Haslam and Banner have in effect said we know this guy sucks but we will keep him around because, well, you will buy tickets anyway we dont need to make a change. Hows your experence at the stadium did you buy a program? Was your hot dog good? How can we make this better for the fan to buy more stuff?
Oh the stuff on the field? Who cares you will show up anyway. After all you voted Hillis to the cover of madden We dont even talk to the coach he doesnt matter.
Did you have any problems getting from your parking spot into the stadium faster to buy a beer?
What? Sorry man, I don't really get your point, but I admit that could be my problem.
I only made 5 games this year. I gave or sold away the rest of my tickets.
Really.....dummy it down to my level so I can understand what it is you are trying to say.
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Do I know exactly what went on, no, of course not, neither does anyone else.
However, Shurmer said he hadn't had any lengthy conversations with Banner, this is what he said went on, basically no communication, which we are saying isn't good.
I have my opinion, I stand by it, I got a little free with how I interpreted banner's thinking, but it is how I did/do think he thinks on this subject. Do I know that exactly, no, that's why it was in italics.
I will give the new regime, whomever they are a fair shake and not automatically hate everything they do, and hopefully they will do such a great job that it won't be an issue. (Except Lombardi, please for all that is holy not him, a chimp with darts can do a better job (literally)).
I, like most here, want a winner built, I think Heckert was doing a good job of that, Shurmer was more the problem, we have talent and we were doing it right, thru the draft. Did Heck hit on all picks, of course not, no one does, but he got guys here who played ball and did it well, we didn't win enough, but friends who are not Browns fans knew we weren't the easy win we were in regimes past, and I don't want that returning.
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I agree that Shurmer was more of the problem.
I think Heck was more a victim of how the new front office is going to be structured.
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Was he a problem because he looked like a rat?   Just kidding around.
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This is a total non-story. If Shurmur was going to be the coach in 24 hours I would be alarmed. But he's not, so I'm not. All I care about is if the new coach and the front office are on the same page.
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Was he a problem because he looked like a rat?
Just kidding around.
No doubt....a standard I have stood by my entire(almost) life.
Let's hope the next guy doesn't look like a rat. 
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Kyle Shanahan!!!!
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lol take the 1st 2 lines and that is the reply to you.
Basic we all didnt really like Shurmur. Weve talked about it all year.
The rest is me talking about how I think Haslam and the new crew feel about us fans. It could have all been in purple.
They dont care about us and this shows it. The Rooney rule doenst apply with an interm coach.
If your not keeping him why not promote Chilly?
Sorry for the confusion.
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What difference does it make?
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Not sure what your replying to.
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Ok here is my thoughts on that. I think Chilly was actually calling plays through most of the season. Then on TV late in games I would see Shurmur with his head buried in the play sheet, QB's like today pointing at their helmets begging for plays.
Thats when I think Shurmur took over.
I think Chilly would have done as well if not better then Shurmur. Hes been a HC before had the Vikings on the cusp of the SB.
If you dont feel the current HC is the answer then why not go with a proven winner who is already in house and knows the player scheme and system?
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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If you dont feel the current HC is the answer then why not go with a proven winner who is already in house and knows the player scheme and system?
Because it is irrelevant.
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After about 4 oclock this afternoon its ALL irrelevant.
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Because it is irrelevant.
If you say so.
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u said "much" interaction.. Shurmur said there was NO interaction.. big difference and unprofessional IMO.
I doubt there was no interaction. I am sure they they said hello every now and then.
Again. I ask why??
Just let it play out, then make your move.
Shurmer got his chance.
I am certain that if we did let him go 2-3-4 games ago, another group of posters would be moaning about him not being given the whole season.
Just saying...
My sentiments exactly. Some on here are attacking the professionalism of Haslam and Banner for no reason other than they are trying to find fault where there is none yet. In regards to a mid season firing, why put the team through that stress of dealing with an interim replacement? They did the right thing (coming from an avid non-Shurmur fan).
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Why leave a head coach out to dry for 8 weeks, when he had no future here.? They fired Holmgren, they should've did the same with Heckert and Shurmur. Who would want to report to a job when their was no future for them?
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What difference does it make?
To dishonorable gutless men,none.
To people who still believe that honesty is indeed the best policy,alot.
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And who would be the interim coach? Childress? He's likely gone as well. Jauron? We could potentially keep him, so it would be weird for him to go from head coach back to coordinator.
I don't get the big deal. It's a damned if you do damned if you don't situation.
They (Banner and Haslam) said they would give Shurmur and Heckert the whole season. They did that.
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To people who still believe that honesty is indeed the best policy,alot.
To fire them midway through the season would be the dishonest thing. Banner/Haslam said they would give Shurmur/Heckert the whole season.
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To fire them midway through the season would be the dishonest thing. Banner/Haslam said they would give Shurmur/Heckert the whole season.
Shurmer had his chance, just like was promised and failed miserably. So what is the problem here? I really don't care if all coaches associated with him are fired.
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To people who still believe that honesty is indeed the best policy,alot.
To fire them midway through the season would be the dishonest thing. Banner/Haslam said they would give Shurmur/Heckert the whole season.
No they said they would evaluate them and make a choice at the end of the season. Now if you already know that you are not going to evaluate them and not even interact with them you are a classless person.
This is your new Browns. If people want to get on Mike for keeping Mangini how can they not blame Haslam and Banner for keeping Shurmur when they know he was going to be canned? 
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Because one took over in the middle of the season and didn't waste a year with a lame duck head coach.
How is that hard to understand?
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