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1.(1)
Peyton Manning
Colts The run game with Joseph Addai was so good versus the Eagles that Manning threw an uncharacteristically low 20 passes for only 183 yards. But he continues to take what the defense gives him with no concern for personal stats.
2.(3)
Tom Brady
Patriots He did not post great stats in a tough win over a good Chicago defense, but he still knows how to win. He manages the game to perfection and he takes what the defense gives him (a la Peyton Manning). Of his 22 completions versus the Bears' Cover 2 defense, 18 went to backs and TEs.
3.(4)
Carson Palmer
Bengals He had a big day versus a thin Browns' secondary, throwing for 275 yds and three TDs (has thrown three TD passes in each of his last three games). He completed a whopping 19 passes to his big three WRs (Chad Johnson, T.J. Houshmandzadeh and Chris Henry); he had plenty of time to throw, and his red-zone accuracy was off the charts.
4.(2)
Philip Rivers
Chargers He had the worst game of his young career (14-for-31 for 133 yds and one INT) but he still made enough plays to win. When he realized he was having an off day, he simply got the ball to his TE, Antonio Gates, and rode the legs and arm of LaDainian Tomlinson to beat an underrated Oakland defense.
5.(5)
Tony Romo
Cowboys He has only started five games, but he looks like a 10-year veteran. He shredded a proud Bucs defense on Thanksgiving day. He threw a team-record five TD passes (mostly on short passes) and he continues to manage the game well. He is playing almost mistake-free football and he has energized this franchise.
6.(7)
Drew Brees
Saints He has posted five straight 300-plus yard passing games, including his 349-yard effort in win over Atlanta. He was especially effective on the deep ball (10.1 yards per pass) and his touch, poise, and timing continue to be excellent. He is an equal opportunity QB -- he will throw to all of his receivers.
7.(6)
Steve McNair
Ravens In a day that featured total domination by the Ravens' defense, shutting out the Steelers, McNair had a quiet, but very solid day with 18-for-24 with one TD and 0 INT. His efficiency and leadership continue to be top notch and he is oblivious to pressure.
8.(9)
Brett Favre
Packers He saves his best for MNF and at times we saw it in a snowy loss at Seattle. He was 22-for-36 and 266 yards and a beautiful TD pass to WR Donald Driver, but he also threw three costly INTs (including a disaster in the end zone intended for TE Bubba Franks). But note, most of his bad throws were when he was battling to get back in the game. He can still play!
9.(NR)
Matt Hasselbeck
Seahawks He got off to a terrible start versus the Green Bay defense on MNF with four first half turnovers, but he finally got the rust off in the second half and settled down. He wound up with three TD passes and let RB Shaun Alexander to carry the offense.
10.(15)
Chad Pennington
Jets He had his most satisfying and consistent day in weeks in a nice home win over Houston. His accuracy was outstanding (24-for-31) and his timing with his receivers (especially Laveranues Coles and Jerricho Cotchery) was terrific as he spread the ball around to eight receivers.
11.(17)
Marc Bulger
Rams Head coach Scott Linehan handed off his play-calling duties to offensive coordinator Greg Olson and it led to much better offensive balance and forced the 49ers defense to play honest versus the run. As a result, Bulger had better man-to-man matchups and responded with a very solid and accurate day.
12.(8)
Trent Green
Chiefs He is still not posting great numbers since his return two weeks ago, but he is managing the offense well. With a run-oriented scheme featuring Larry Johnson, Green doesn't have to carry this offense, but he will make enough plays to win.
13.(12)
Michael Vick
Falcons If he was an RB, you would love his stats in the Falcons' loss to New Orleans (166 yards rushing and 870 yards for the season), but he's a QB and these stats continue to be awful -- 84 yards passing, a 47.9 QB rating and five dropped passes by his receivers. It's not getting better!
14.(13)
Jake Delhomme
Panthers In a tough loss to Washington, he only threw for 168 yards and one TD, but he had two critical INTs when his arm was hit while he was throwing the ball. He could not take advantage of a Redskins secondary that is susceptible to the pass.
15.(10)
Rex Grossman
Bears He threw three critical INTs to Patriots CB Asante Samuel and he also fumbled in the red zone. His erratic play was the difference between winning and losing and his QB rating of 23.7 tells you all you need to know about the Bears' concerns at QB. Time to think about Brian Griese?
16.(18)
Eli Manning
Giants This loss at Tennessee was a total meltdown. Manning continues to struggle and he looks almost incapable of carrying this team when they are in trouble. He threw two costly INTs and only managed 143 passing yards. His mechanics and decision making seem to be regressing.
17.(14)
Ben Roethlisberger
Steelers He threw two more INTs (giving him 19 for the season) in shutout loss to the Ravens, but in all fairness he had NO time to throw as Baltimore sacked him nine times and hit him several others. If nothing else right now, Big Ben is at least showing how tough he is.
18.(27)
Joey Harrington
Dolphins He had a day of redemption at his former home, Detroit, on Thanksgiving Day with an excellent win and a solid QB performance. He threw three TD passes and played with excellent composure. He even had a little bit of a swagger.
19.(24)
Matt Leinart
Cardinals A QB's dream -- Cardinals only ran the ball six times, allowing Leinart to attempt 51 passes and he responded with 405 yards and one TD, but he also had two INTs in a loss at Minnesota. He may put up big numbers the rest of the way, but it won't lead to wins.
20.(26)
J.P. Losman
Bills He has pulled out back-to-back wins for the Bills with a combination of good touch and also good pocket mobility. Although his stats were modest, he made plays when he had to against an injury-depleted Jacksonville secondary.
21.(25)
Alex Smith
49ers In a loss at St. Louis he posted modest numbers (13-for-25 for 148 yards) but he had one TD and two INTs. With a good run game led by Frank Gore, he doesn't have to carry this offense every week.
22.(20)
David Carr
Texans He posted great numbers (39-for-54 and 321 passing yards and one TD) in pass happy offense (only 14 rushes all day), but it didn't result in enough big plays versus Jets bend-but-don't-break defense.
23.(32)
Vince Young
Titans He led biggest comeback in NFL history for a rookie in great late win over Giants. How about these stats -- 24-for-35 for 249 yards and two TDs. He also added 69 rushing yds. This guy is starting to grow up.
24.(19)
Jason Campbell
Redskins He continues to be very cool and calm under pressure, even though he is not producing eye-popping stats. In a win over Carolina he only passed for 118 yards, but he had two key TD tosses. He will get better each week.
25.(31)
Brad Johnson
Vikings He finally had a solid, mistake free day throwing for three TDs in a win over Arizona. His accuracy was good. For a change, he didn't force the ball when he was under pressure and eight different receivers caught passes.
26.(16)
David Garrard
Jaguars He played a fairly clean game in a close loss at Buffalo, throwing two TD passes, but he couldn't make enough key plays or overcome the 10 penalties that the sloppy Jaguars committed.
27.(NR)
Jay Cutler
Broncos Jake Plummer finally played his way out of the starting job in another disappointing loss at Kansas City on Thanksgiving night. The Jay Cutler era has officially started after Plummer posted another ho-hum performance and the Broncos hope that Cutler can add a spark to this offense.
28.(22)
Jon Kitna
Lions He was outplayed in a Thanksgiving Day loss by former Lions QB Joey Harrington. He was on the run all afternoon (eight sacks) and he never had a chance to attack an improving Dolphins' defense and make plays.
29.(23)
Bruce Gradkowski
Buccaneers He continues to show up-and-down production and this offense just doesn't show much of a vertical presence. When you only throw for 120 yards versus a vulnerable Dallas secondary, it's not going to lead to many wins.
30.(11)
Jeff Garcia
Eagles His stats were acceptable in loss at Indy -- 19-for-23 with two TDs and no INT -- but had only 140 total passing yards. There was virtually no vertical component or deep threat and most of his completions were to backs and TEs. This is now officially a West Coast offense.
31.(29)
Aaron Brooks
Raiders You still see flashes of arm strength and good potential for a vertical passing game, but bad pass protection, a mediocre run game and lethargic routes by the receivers don't lead to many big plays. This offense continues to be a mess.
32. (28)
Charlie Frye
Browns He continues to struggle with his decision making and he threw four disastrous INTs versus a struggling Bengals secondary. He hurries throws, his protection breaks down, and his receivers gripe too much! It's hard to tell if he is getting any better.

yeah,,, right where I expected him to be...

[color:"white"]And I thought I used to go on crusades......[/color]

We get it YTown--you don't like Frye.

give it a rest.

hey... I rarely go on them...

CF is playing like the worst QB in the League.... truth hurts...

[color:"white"]Nah, didn't mean you actually. I meant Y-town. My mistake <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Trying to reinstall all the drivers on a fresh Winblows install and am posting while I wait for them to load. Forgot the NRTU.[/color]

So what's the problem with showing that other people see it to? People who have no vested interest in whether he succeeds or fails think he is playing worse than every other QB in the league...

As soon as i saw the subject of this thread and opened it...i scrolled straight down to 32 <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" /> and yep....there he is <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

And the fact is .... I really, really wish he wasn't at the bottom of this list. Unfortunately, he is what he is, which means that we're going to have to invest in a starting QB.

I just want to add my 2 cents. I have been one of a hand full who have been saying since we drafted Charles that he was not starting material in the NFL but of coarse I know nothing even after 40+ years of watching the Browns.

This team needs more that an average QB to pull us out of this rut. Teams with recent strong histories of winning can get by with average but we need the best we can get at every position (and espiecally the leader of the offence) to pull this franchise out of the rut.

Many of you want to blame the OL but living here in Texas I watched the Cowboys line go from a pile of crap with Bledso (according to locals) too being pretty decent with Romo starting so don't hand me that! <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

The part that really bothers me is Savage made this deceision and he needs to be held accountable. <img src="/images/graemlins/plthumbsdown.gif" alt="" />

I was told there's no comparison ... somehow .....

Ytown please allow me to indulge myself by also saying that teams that are at the bottom of the league and draft a Vince Young or Matt Lienert or even pick up a Drew Brees in FA get alot of coverage by the media and the NFL.

That may not mean alot to may of you but our Browns need every bit of that kind of attention to turn this thing around. It's kind of like a swift kick in the ass. <img src="/images/graemlins/ooo.gif" alt="" />

Could you imagine the coverage we would get on ESPN and other sports networks if we had signed one of the above? It sure as hell would do away with fans around the league saying who is the QB of the Browns.

As long as we stay out of the spot light the NFL will ignor us! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

WHAT THE HECK!!! Big Bens protection breaks down and he throws INT's.. then he is tough... Fryes protection breaks down and he throws INT's, and its hard to say he's getting any better..

Big Ben should be 31 IMO!!

Seeing Ben has #17 (along with few other QBs in top 20) when hes been playing like Frye (sometimes wrose) and Frye in last place made me discredit this article for all its mainly going by names, not QB play. But since it backs up people's hatred for Frye guess that does not matter.

Eli is 16 and Vick is 13, this list is worthless - both those guys are horrendous QBs.

Agreed to an extent. Like I've said in many posts the past couple weeks, the media protects their profitable babies.

Still, Frye sucks and IMO he's gonna continue to suck and we have to do something. I don't care if he grew up a Browns fan or not, Savage was horribly mistaken when he thought we'd cut him some slack cuz he's from Willard, OH.

[color:"orange"]If you think the only reason Frye's starting is because he's from the area, you're not very smart. Why would Savage risk his reputation and ruin his first GM gig by doing something like that? He obviously saw something in Frye that he thought could turn into a starting NFL QB...

BTW, if you're offended by my comments let me go ahead and apologize in advance, because you seem to think you're entitled to apologies from everyone. [/color] <img src="/images/graemlins/rofl.gif" alt="" />

I've shown many times, TWICE this year we've run the ball - we are 2-0 in those games and Frye played well.

Truth is, Savage didn't want to invent 30 million into a starting QB that he knew would get beaten like a pinata for a couple years while they rebuilt the team.

Why doesn't anyone else understand that?

It's like putting a new coat of paint(QB) on a termite infested house(Team), it wouldn't solve the termite problem. First you fix the termite issue, then paint the house.

[color:"orange"]Bingo.

That's why you wont see a bonafide big name guy under center here in Cleveland until all the other problems around the QB position have been fixed. If at that point Frye(or any other project QB) has still failed, chances are we go after a big timer. [/color]

Last.

That's news?? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

in these days and times its called a jihad! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The problem is that Frye is a problem. I really doubt he will get much better than he is today. The team might get better which will translate to a few more wins, but when you get down to it, Frye probably isn't going to be the type of QB that is going to lead you to anything more than a middle of the road record.

I want better than that.

Frye is as good at his position as Cosey Coleman is at his and nearly everyone thinks Coleman needs to be in a back-up role.

[color:"orange"]What makes you so sure Frye is a finished project? [/color]

His feet
His arm
His head

[color:"orange"]You honestly dont think he can improve his footwork? Nor could he improve his abilities to understand NFL defenses?

His arm is what it is, you might not like it, but it is adequate. You seem like the type who wants Carson Palmer's arm, and that's cool, but I think we can both agree it's not a requirement at the position. [/color]

Not to speak for Peen ...... but for myself,

I don't see Frye doing the things that successful QBs do. I really don't see him doing any of them. I see regression instead of improvement. His mechanics are terrible. His footwork is terrible. He lacks pocket awareness. He will try to take his time when a rush is coming ... yet hurries throws when he has time. His arm is questionable as far as making all of the NFL throws. (and no, I don't mean rearing back and launching one straight downfield) Frye seems unable to read a defense, and often locks onto one receiver. Frye seems unable to adjust to what defenses are doing to him.

I realize that it's not "all" him. However, the same disturbing things show up far too frequently for it to be coincidence. Add to this that he's not a rookie, and it's a little worse. People want to say "well, it's like his rookie year because he's only started 16 games" ..... but he's had 11 games to watch and learn from the sidelines in his rookie year, and then a full off-season to study and learn. He had a full training camp as the starter. If he hasn't picked up the offense by now, and is still actively hindered because he's still "learning", then he definitely isn't the guy, because we'll almost certainly have a new offense to learn next season.

You can speak for me on this....I am worn out to be honest, typing the same crap about our QB's year after year. I will allow you and some others to take up the charge for a while and I will just add my brief comments here and there when it looks like you need a bit of back-up..taking on that duty alone is a hard task.

How is Vince Young and Aaron Brooks/Andrew Walter ahead of Frye when he has a better QB rating than both of them (Brooks doesn't even start, Walter does). He's got a better QB rating than trent green.

Frye's QB rating is .1 worse than Matt Leinart, yet Leinart is rated 19th?

List is flawed. Typical media hating on Ctown.

Young is getting better every week and shows the signs of being a pretty darn good player.

Frye keeps on doing very little.

Jay Cutler hasn't even taken a snap in the NFL and they have him ranked.

How is Steve McNair 7th? His QB Rating is in the 70's.

Another pathetic attempt to fill space by another pathetic sports writer.

Chad Pennington 10th? Didn't we see Frye out play Chad when the Browns played the Jets?

No, it obviously does have a lot to do with prior accomplishments and to some degree, hype. Frye has no prior accomplishments and no hype.. therefore his crappy performance will be judged as worse than the defending super bowl champs crappy performance... why? Because the media knows that Ben has played better before, they don't know that about Charlie...

He is what he is , is correct. But you want a new QB based on, he is what this list says he is. Big difference.

Vince Young - Last 8 starts
41.3 QB Rating
34.4 QB Rating
85.6 QB Rating
87.4 QB Rating
30.2 QB Rating
63.9 QB Rating
66.7 QB Rating
107.9 QB Rating


Charlie Frye - Last 8 starts
89.6 QB Rating
49.9 QB Rating
66.4 QB Rating
81.8 QB Rating
72.3 QB Rating
109.1 QB Rating
89.1 QB Rating
40.9 QB Rating

What's your point?

Young won 2 games in a row... Young engineered a 4th quarter comeback... (with touchdowns and everything!!)... Yound held onto a big lead against Philly....

Simple fact is, regardless of qb rating, Young is starting to show that he can make plays....

You mean making plays and wining games matters? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

I think the point is that Young has had a couple good games---and your all over his jock. Charlie has been better over the course of the season and you crucify him.

You people are ridiculous.

Also, with T. Henry rushing for 178 yds and a TD in one victory, and 143 yds. and a TD in another; I'd say they have an effective running game.

And still the guy has led his team to just one more victory than Chuck.

That's where Frye is supposed to be. But Romo at 5 wow that's all I'll say.

Really, he won them by himself?

So Young plays defense for the Titans too, is that why they didn't give up 21 points in the 4th quarter?