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LOL, WKNR reporting that Weeden just tweeted that he was *only kidding* when he said he couldn't run the zone read.
i saw that.. dude.. ur done. 
Wasn't he brought in because of his 'maturity' factor?
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LOL, WKNR reporting that Weeden just tweeted that he was *only kidding* when he said he couldn't run the zone read.
i saw that.. dude.. ur done.
Would be a really big mistake IMO. Kids only been here for 1 year and is REALLY familiar with a shotgun up-tempo offense from college. It would be a monumental waste to punt a 1st round draft pick after only 1 season without even giving him a chance to run an offense more tailored to his skill set.
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Al died in 02, Fell ill in 01, and Policy was a Clueless. From 02 on Davis had an Owner who didn't care and Policy . Different situation.
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new regime won't care if its a wasted pick or not.. if Kelly doesn't want to use him.. he's gone.
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Not to mention theyre reporting we may take Taj Boyd at 6...
Hurray!
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Exactly. Even though I doubt we run a pure read option I do believe that a mobile Qb is a must for anything resembling Kelly's offense. Colt has a much better shot of being on the team than Weeden.
Hopefully we get a mid round pick for him. The Chiefs might hire Heckert and Shurmer....hmmmm.
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I love Boyd as a prospect , but would hope we could trade back a few spots and recoup that second round pick we spent on Josh. I do know we don't have a QB on the roster who is dynamic enough to run anything resembling that offense.....Colt could backup and come in a pinch, it Weeden doesn't have a place on this team anymore.
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I love Boyd as a prospect , but would hope we could trade back a few spots and recoup that second round pick we spent on Josh. I do know we don't have a QB on the roster who is dynamic enough to run anything resembling that offense.....Colt could backup and come in a pinch, it Weeden doesn't have a place on this team anymore.
this x100. I wouldn't mind getting Boyd in the 1st.. just not at 6.. at least not right now.. may feel more comfortable after the combine, interviews, etc.
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Hurray!
They are reporting it!
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In this qb class, if people know we're set on Boyd at six , someone will go ahead of us to take him.
Best possibility in my mind is to trade weeden to the chiefs for a 3rd pre draft... If he hasn't burned that bridge already.
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Hurray!
They are reporting that we may take a kid that hasn't even declared for the draft yet and people are worried already? Wow.
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I'm not going to be very hopeful or positive about the near and mid term future of this team. If we lock down Kelly I personally think we're going to be coach shopping again in 3 years. Sigh....
My hope if Kelly is hired (as much as I hate him and his system I want my Browns to win) and this experiment fails, my hope is that it fails massively and immediately. Like 0-16 then 1-15. That way we can fire Kelly, rebuild the roster again, and be back to competitive in the next 5-6 years. What I don't want is for us to go 6-10 then 8-8 then 7-9 then 9-7...extending the nightmare into the next decade.
I'm just absorbing the utter misery and sadness and resigned defeat of this statement.
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Agreed but I don't see why Kelly won't want to use him. I think he's a perfect fit for a Chip Kelly spread NFL offense.
Think more New England Patriots / Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts with multiple receiver sets, the QB in the shotgun, running no huddle and calling plays/audibles at the line, lots of zone blocking and utilizing TRich both in the running game and the passing game out in space with blocking WRs.
Anybody who thinks Kelly is going to implement an NFL offense based on a run first, option QB has another thing coming but that's JMO.
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Well, no one can doubt Kelly's leadership abilities. He has strong ties to the NFL in that he actually taught his up tempo philosophies and schemes to NFL coaches. We want something different, well it's going to take something different in the head coach. Kelly looks like a real innovator ..... and frankly, I'm ready for some innovation in Cleveland. I'm not real crazy about possibly seeing Colt McCoy back under Center, but maybe with a roll out offense and simplified reads ....... who knows?  Same thing for Weeden. Simplified reads and more shotgun would do wonders for him as well. If nothing else, we should see some exciting football, and I bet our running game picks it up big time. I look at a guy like Jim Harbaugh, who was mainly a college coach. He had one year as a QB coach in his coaching career. I don't know how much difference a single year of coaching in the NFL makes.
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So it looks like it will be Chip Kelly as teh next head coach.
Now what about the QB, well Joe Banner has 'apparently' spoken and voiced his opinion.
By Will Burge
It looks as though owner Jimmy Haslam III, C.E.O. Joe Banner, and the Browns organization have found their next head coach and his name is Chip Kelly. The next big question to be answered, however, is who will be the quarterback?
A source in the Browns’ organization told ESPN Cleveland that just over a week ago Banner told backup quarterback Colt McCoy he is “in the next head coach’s plans.”
Adam Caplan of Sirius/XM NFL Radio reported earlier tonight that Michael Lombardi, who is rumored to be the next GM, has already been angling for the Browns in free agency. If you combine both of these reports it is pretty obvious that the Kelly/Lombardi regime did not just materialize in the last 24 hours.
As far as Brandon Weeden, who started all but one game for the Browns last season, he may end up the odd man out. Lombardi said the drafting of Brandon Weeden with the #22 pick was a panicked disaster last offseason. He also said on a Cleveland radio station in September that despite the fact that Colt McCoy gives the team a better chance to win, Weeden was going to finish out the season as the starter.
The one thing that is for sure, everyone else on the offense is excited about the prospects of Chip Kelly as the next head coach. I texted with multiple players on the offense after the news broke and each one to a man was ecstatic. One player, who is currently up for free agency, even went as far as to say they hope the Browns bring them back into this system next season.
Who will be the next quarterback? Can Chip Kelly integrate his offense into the NFL? How will the current Browns’ roster fit into Kelly’s offensive system? These questions will be answered in the coming weeks and months, but for now they will be masked by excitement and jubilation. Only time will tell if this move will have a different result than the last five head coaching hires since 1999.
This should cause some heads to explode. linker
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I'm not going to be very hopeful or positive about the near and mid term future of this team. If we lock down Kelly I personally think we're going to be coach shopping again in 3 years. Sigh....
My hope if Kelly is hired (as much as I hate him and his system I want my Browns to win) and this experiment fails, my hope is that it fails massively and immediately. Like 0-16 then 1-15. That way we can fire Kelly, rebuild the roster again, and be back to competitive in the next 5-6 years. What I don't want is for us to go 6-10 then 8-8 then 7-9 then 9-7...extending the nightmare into the next decade.
I'm just absorbing the utter misery and sadness and resigned defeat of this statement.
Believe me, I'm nearly at a loss for words.
Living out here I've watched first hand the rise of this joker. It's smoke and mirrors what he's done. The confluence of Nike's marketing, Kelly's system, a down USC, generally notorious poor D played on the west coast, along with our new owner looking to 'make a splash', has led Kelly to us. I just see a disaster. I'm honestly losing my desire to follow this team.
The fall is steelhead season out here. I miss a lot of Sundays on the river. I honestly don't know if I'm going to skip it this year. I spend good money on my salmon tags. I feel like I may be spending more time invested in filling my freezer for that investment.
Maybe come fall my heart might be back. But I don't know.
Let me say this. For all you back on Ohio that get to watch STO, hear the radio interviews and such... Kelly has never been one for the press. He's not well liked locally by the press. His ego is well documented. I personally feel he's an 'butt'.
Good luck with all that.
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At a minimum, Chip Kelly will implement parts of the offense that he uses in Oregon into the playbook.
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Anybody who thinks Kelly is going to implement an NFL offense based on a run first, option QB has another thing coming but that's JMO.
At a minimum, Chip Kelly will implement parts of the offense that he uses in Oregon into the playbook.
This is dead on. He's not a dummy. He knows what may or may not work.
I do not think it sensible to remotely think he wants to duplicate his offense here!
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I would like to think that the conversations that Kelly has had with NFL teams about his offense have also been a 2 way street .... and that he has learned about what works in the NFL.
Kelly has said that the reason he has run the read option as much as he has is because that's what his talent has dictated he run. If he has different players with different abilities, then he'll adapt his offense. Hopefully this is the case.
All I know is that there was one coach that was many teams' primary option .... and it looks like the Browns will win that particular sweepstakes. When is the last time that happened?
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Anybody who thinks Kelly is going to implement an NFL offense based on a run first, option QB has another thing coming but that's JMO.
At a minimum, Chip Kelly will implement parts of the offense that he uses in Oregon into the playbook.
Parts, like the up tempo and what not.
But he's not going to run the read option. At least not like he did at Oregon.
The only real concern with Kelly is his lack of NFL experience, but he does have great ideas offensively, he's built a program at Oregon that has no business being as good as it is, and he has turned chicken poop into chicken salad.
Like any coach, he is at the mercy of the talent he coaches. Kelly has been plenty successful against good and sometimes better college teams.
you had a good run Hank.
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Being in the next head coaches plans doesn't nessisarily mean he will be the starter. The next coach (chip) could plan on keeping him as back up while we pick Taj Boyd with the #6 pick. Just saying. 
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But he's got to be successful right from thr start//and I mean at least 7-9 first year..can't be 4 or 5 wins..has to be substance.
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If the Browns hire Chip Kelly and install his Offense of Tomorrow, that day never comes for Brandon Weeden.The major overhaul that is in store is the first objection to the double-time, rat-a-tat-tat tempo, spread offense of the Oregon Ducks. Even those of us who are not sold on Weeden as the Browns' quarterback of the future would like to see how he does with a second year in the same system. His arm is special. The ball comes off it with a higher velocity, the way line drives rocketed off Manny Ramirez's bat with a different sound with the Indians. Weeden is too big and lumbering to think about using in the spread. Colt McCoy, the back-up, is more athletic, but still doesn't fit the quickness requirement of a Geno Smith, the West Virginia quarterback who was the early darling of the college season. Smith was a product of the system when he tossed eight touchdown passes in a flag-football-style 70-63 regulation-time victory over Baylor. Eventually, WVU lost five straight games. My feeling is that the best spread quarterbacks in college are usually runners more than passers. Examples A and B are Urban Meyer products -- Tim Tebow at Florida and Braxton Miller at Ohio State. Tebow is a wildcat player in the NFL. Miller won't play quarterback either, not without quantum improvement. At the NFL level, running quarterbacks eventually take the IR List hit. (See Michael Vick.) There are four spread QBs -- Russell Wilson, Colin Kaepernick, Cam Newton and Robert Griffin III -- enjoying big NFL buzz now. Most can throw it effectively, Griffin beautifully. That the latter was not sidelined for more than the Browns' game by his leg's collision with 330-pound nose tackle Haloti Ngata is one of the wonders of the season. Meyer said the biggest step Miller has to make is "completing a pass in the pocket when it's third-and-long." As much as the spread tries to circumvent it, a certain amount of football will always be played in the pocket. Meyer and Kelly have both managed to include a physical component with run-heavy game plans. OSU's spread is more power-based, but, basically, spread offenses recruit for speed, get a swift back into one crease, then he makes a defender miss, and Oregon has another touchdown in less than a minute. Stop the clock and wave some towels in the face of the gassed defenders. Is that still there as often in the NFL, where linebackers run 4.4 40s? Is it still there in the cold and snow of the AFC North in November and December? The offensive line has to be panther quick and leather tough, too. The dozen linemen subjected to Meyer's conditioning program at OSU lost 133 pounds of fat. That's less than half a Joe Thomas, but is still a lot.
The Browns' line excelled at the more passive pass blocking, not run blocking. ( ) How much different would it be with a quicker line that featured pulling guards and backside blocking by the running back on quarterback counters? That was Miller's most effective running play last season as he just missed being a Heisman Trophy finalist. Would bigger NFL defensive fronts overpower the mighty sort-of-mites? Wouldn't frequent substitution be required? But there are only 46 active players on an NFL roster, not 100 as in college teams' home games. If you watched Oregon beat Kansas State, you saw the Ducks' small, quick wideouts blocking effectively downfield. Blocking is as important as catching the ball with the Ducks. Greg Little is just now getting a handle on the latter. Even Kelly and the supersonic spread didn't fare so well against top teams. There are fewer lopsided mismatches in the NFL than in college. Ohio State beat the Ducks, 26-17, in the Rose Bowl by possessing the ball. Oregon's return game, particularly on kickoffs, hurt the Buckeyes as much as the fast-break offense. Auburn held the spaceball offense below orbital velocity in a 22-19 victory in the BCS championship game. Stanford limited the Ducks to 14 points in beating them in overtime this season. Kelly will want a lot of freedom if he comes here. Joe Banner, the head of the football operations, has indicated he will leave the make-up of the game-day roster to the new coach. So hiring Kelly would become the ultimate gamble for a fan base sick of constantly starting over. Massive revision of personnel and body types in an all-out spread better work. If not, the Browns are stuck with a lot of mismatched parts before the next re-start, as was the University of Michigan after the tenure of former coach and spread guru Rich Rodriguez. Still, it might work. But I doubt it.
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I'll say this. If we truly do land Kelly, I'm willing to bet we get a primetime game this year, either Sunday night or Monday night. Let's face it, it's a pretty big coup if the hottest coaching prospect in quite some time goes to Cleveland over places like Philly or San Diego.
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I'm not going to be very hopeful or positive about the near and mid term future of this team. If we lock down Kelly I personally think we're going to be coach shopping again in 3 years. Sigh....
My hope if Kelly is hired (as much as I hate him and his system I want my Browns to win) and this experiment fails, my hope is that it fails massively and immediately. Like 0-16 then 1-15. That way we can fire Kelly, rebuild the roster again, and be back to competitive in the next 5-6 years. What I don't want is for us to go 6-10 then 8-8 then 7-9 then 9-7...extending the nightmare into the next decade.
I'm just absorbing the utter misery and sadness and resigned defeat of this statement.
Believe me, I'm nearly at a loss for words.
Living out here I've watched first hand the rise of this joker. It's smoke and mirrors what he's done. The confluence of Nike's marketing, Kelly's system, a down USC, generally notorious poor D played on the west coast, along with our new owner looking to 'make a splash', has led Kelly to us. I just see a disaster. I'm honestly losing my desire to follow this team.
The fall is steelhead season out here. I miss a lot of Sundays on the river. I honestly don't know if I'm going to skip it this year. I spend good money on my salmon tags. I feel like I may be spending more time invested in filling my freezer for that investment.
Maybe come fall my heart might be back. But I don't know.
Let me say this. For all you back on Ohio that get to watch STO, hear the radio interviews and such... Kelly has never been one for the press. He's not well liked locally by the press. His ego is well documented. I personally feel he's an 'butt'.
Good luck with all that.
I'm with ya. Ill watch this off season because, well, This is sort of fascinating in a collasal train wreck kind of way. Wow is all I can say. I'm starting to think this has all been a giant conspiracy by the nfl to wear us down so far we finally just let the team leave for another city with no fight, lol. And this will be the grand finale! it might just work. Enter: Lombardi and Noodles McCoy!
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If Livingston is so stupid he believes We will run an exact duplicate of the Ducks offense he really has no reason to go on writing!
Hopefully, RocketOptimist reposts hi excellent article on Kelly on this thread!
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I believe this was months in the making since Haslem bought the team in the summer. Go read any comment haslem and banner said about weeden. none of them were ever positive. I always thought that was odd for a rookie that was playing ok. The puzzle is now complete, and my opinion, don't expect weeden back. He will be shown the door as well.
We will need 3 good quarterbacks going into training camp. I expect McCoy to at least start the year as our quarterback.
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Lewis may be a better candidate than McCoy.
It was reported earlier that Lombardi may have been working potential FAs since august.
He wasnt an member of the organization but I'd think that illegal.
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Really good article on Kelly. Everyone needs to read it. I think McCoy might thrive under the offense. There's a quote in there about Kelly preferring the mobile QB who can run. Not a Tebow type, though. I know many doubt McCoy but he looked good in Denver. Well, he looked good when he wasn't doing his best Jose Mesa impression of throwing balls into the turf.
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I'll say this. If we truly do land Kelly, I'm willing to bet we get a primetime game this year, either Sunday night or Monday night. Let's face it, it's a pretty big coup if the hottest coaching prospect in quite some time goes to Cleveland over places like Philly or San Diego.
Well that'll be the 'splash' the owner is looking for. Hopefully we won't 'thud' in front of a national audience. From media darling to laughing stock overnight. Joy.
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It was reported earlier that Lombardi may have been working potential FAs since august.
He wasnt an member of the organization but I'd think that illegal.
Not illegal, you can do anything you want when you aren't under contract, it's a little shady but can't do anything about it.
* Edit - Anything is probably too strong a word, but nothing wrong with reaching out and gauging interest if you aren't affiliated with an organization.
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If Livingston is so stupid he believes We will run an exact duplicate of the Ducks offense he really has no reason to go on writing!
Hopefully, RocketOptimist reposts hi excellent article on Kelly on this thread!
You have to got to get a hold of yourself.
You sound like a love-sick teenager.
I get that this guy has put together a great O system,and obviously is a damn fine HC.But I've read and looked at all the material offered and have yet to see or hear anything profound.In fact I've not heard nor seen anything that hasn't been put forth by a hundred different coaches that also run the spread.
"I look for a QB that can run"
Well duh! So does every other coach that runs the spread option.
The last time I gushed over somebody this bad,she was giving me massive amounts of sex.
For massive amounts of dollars.
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I've set the fence and waffled on the guy all week!
I merely pointed out that Livingston, being an NFL writer, should realize that Kelly
is wise enough to know that the current Oregon system wont totally transfer
to the NFL!
I was on the Whisenhunt, Mike McCoy wagon!
You need another drink!
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I'm no billionaire. Nothing I can do. Sorry I'll try and force a smile as I eat this crap sandwich.
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Just curious, are you a Oregon State or Boise State fan?
you had a good run Hank.
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I just got one,but I do appreciate your concern.
I do apologize for my remakes.After re-reading your posts,it appears that I somehow got you and another poster intertwined.
This complete and utterly nonsensical love-fest for Kelly has got me unnerved.
I truely am sorry.
Oh and in line 2 if you change that remakes to remarks it will make more sense.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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Buckeye through and through.
Born and raised in NW Ohio.
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All this stuff, that is all over the board. This stuff won't work in the AFC North. good luck anyway. 
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Oh crap BC, it's no biggie! I just wish I had a drink right now! Wait, I do have a bottle of Jameson in the freezer! 
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