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I think that they had Obrian Kutter what ever this name is from Atl and McDanials the NE guy those were their top 3. Saban was on the top of the list but they know he was probably not an option. Once the first 3 said no Kelly moved up the board to #1 they went hard. They may or may not get him.
Now you are at number 6 and you have some very valid guys not yet able to interview along with the Arz and Chicago X -HC to look over.
no its time for the Browns to re-do their list for sure IMHO.
You can disagree with the list I have no problems but I dont see him as having been anywhere near 3rd on it. Hes a pawn much as we may be in Kellys plan.
Dont go all in just to act like you were not bluffing after the other guy already went all in and beats your hand.
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Me thinks the phrase "A Banner year" is gonna have a whole new meaning for us 
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Your premise is based on the validity of your list. I certainly don't agree with your list and therefore can't agree on the premise.  However, I would argue that if the Browns have their top-10 candidates all lined up, and they lose out on #6, why wait and rebuild your board? If you know who you want, go after him. Waiting gains you nothing but the chance at suddenly having to scramble to sign #8...
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Your premise is based on the validity of your list. I certainly don't agree with your list and therefore can't agree on the premise. However, I would argue that if the Browns have their top-10 candidates all lined up, and they lose out on #6, why wait and rebuild your board? If you know who you want, go after him. Waiting gains you nothing but the chance at suddenly having to scramble to sign #8...
Because I think that they never considered the idea that they wouldnt get anyone outside of 5. I think their list was created from people they could sign NOW.
Seeing as how they may be already be down to the lower end of those guys why not re do the list to include guys that you could sign later? IE after a team is knocked out of the playoffs.
I believe at this point if we lose out on Kelly that would be a wise choice to do.
It may only take them a day to do it so its not like they would miss out on anyone currently out there.
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We have interviewed Marrone twice so, it is looking like he is the leading candidate.
Just to get everyone ready: "tremendous" follows "battled" and before that "process"
are we still asking that pesky "what the hell did this guy ever do to deserve the steering wheel of an NFL franchise" question. It's never really been answered. 25-25 record. No NFL coaching experience. Wait, What?
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Haslam wanted Saban that was obvious.
Kelly was the hot name from the college ranks and lets face it he has everyone intrigued. I think even his harshest critics are intrigued to see how he will do in the NFL. Again, I think Haslam had him high on his radar as a style that would ignite excitement. Its like seeing the shiny red sports car at the used car dealership. Your interest is peaked because of looks but the smart buyer is gonna want to check it out thoroughly before you buy.
Marrone I think may not have been that high but he is from the WCO and let's face it Banner has pretty much only been around that type of system. Sharing the same philosophy was going to shoot him up the board once they met. I could easily see after the interviews that he becomes the guy that jumps off as having what Banner is looking for. It is just that comfort level.
If it is between the 2 and it may very well be, think of this. Chip is going to have to sell a rebuild with new QB, moblie linemen and speed, speed and speed. Marrone is gonna sell the fact that he believes he can win with what is there now. It is an easier sell.
Whisenhunt would be a great fit for the O but his 3-4 ties worry me.
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So Weedens really on board with Marrone
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On one hand it would be nice for him to get a 2nd year in the same system to see how/if he develops. On the other hand it would be year #2 of forcing a square peg in a round hole.
I'd much rather see Brandon in Chip's offense honestly, but according to many on this board Chip only wants running backs for QBs so he's automatically disqualified 
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Haslam wanted Saban that was obvious.
Kelly was the hot name from the college ranks and lets face it he has everyone intrigued. I think even his harshest critics are intrigued to see how he will do in the NFL. Again, I think Haslam had him high on his radar as a style that would ignite excitement. Its like seeing the shiny red sports car at the used car dealership. Your interest is peaked because of looks but the smart buyer is gonna want to check it out thoroughly before you buy.
Marrone I think may not have been that high but he is from the WCO and let's face it Banner has pretty much only been around that type of system. Sharing the same philosophy was going to shoot him up the board once they met. I could easily see after the interviews that he becomes the guy that jumps off as having what Banner is looking for. It is just that comfort level.
If it is between the 2 and it may very well be, think of this. Chip is going to have to sell a rebuild with new QB, moblie linemen and speed, speed and speed. Marrone is gonna sell the fact that he believes he can win with what is there now. It is an easier sell.
Whisenhunt would be a great fit for the O but his 3-4 ties worry me.
Horton who gives a Hoot lol
Good points I can see what your saying and maybe because what we've been sold as a WCO isnt what they see would indeed move a person with Banners vision of it up his list.
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So Weedens really on board with Marrone
On one hand it would be nice for him to get a 2nd year in the same system to see how/if he develops. On the other hand it would be year #2 of forcing a square peg in a round hole.
I'd much rather see Brandon in Chip's offense honestly, but according to many on this board Chip only wants running backs for QBs so he's automatically disqualified
im with you Im huge into wanting Kelly and I think he can really make Weeden shine which of course makes me as well. On the other had If he goes another direction at QB I wont look back.
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One thing in Chips favor is that new owners usually wants everything new and that means QB and that is probably where the rumors the last couple of months about Banner not being sold on Weeden was coming from. I think with Chip or Doug we will draft a QB.
It doesnt have to be first round either. I think that 2nd group of QBs have tremendous upside and you have big guys with big arms some are pocket passers some are mobile. Last year's class was special and I said it many times before the draft that I thought it would be the best ever. This year's class isn't as good on the top end as they arent nearly as polished but there is a plethora of talented QBs to be had, they just all have areas that need work.
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Im ok with the Alex Smith scenario if Brandon doesnt get a 2nd year
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My number one choice is Zimmer (Cincy's DC). But alas, not even an interview.
Not sure why Marrone is such a hot candidate on everyone's list.
is Marrone better than Zimmer? Or Ariens? Or Shanahan? Or Lovie? Or Whisenhut? Or McCoy?
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You know, I am an Alex Smith fan as well. Gordon's ability to stretch the field will hurt Smith's chances. I think Gordon and this OL is why Whisenhunt wants this job big time. Actually they are why anyone would want this job.
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I was suprised to hear he's not had 1 interview
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I like Zimmer, Hell I like the Bengals OC pretty good as well. Man that can get Andy Dalton to the playoffs 2 years in a row deserves to be coach of the freaking year.
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I was suprised to hear he's not had 1 interview
He hasn't because he hasn't been allowed to. Starting tomorrow (Sunday), he can, and probably will be mentioned/interviewed once the whole Chip Kelly saga ends.
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are we still asking that pesky "what the hell did this guy ever do to deserve the steering wheel of an NFL franchise" question. It's never really been answered. 25-25 record. No NFL coaching experience. Wait, What?
Actually he does hve NFL experience. Marrone served as the offensive coordinator of the New Orleans Saints from 2006-08. The Saints ranked first in total offense (410.7 yards per game) in 2008, fourth (361.2) in 2007 and first (391.5) in 2006. In 2005, before Marrone arrived, they ranked 20th (314.4)
I know that record of 25-25 doesn't look all that impressive, however in two of his four years as the Orangemen's HC he took them to two conference title games and won the conference title this year.
I do like the he has had success as an OC in the NFL under his belt.
For all I know the guy may not be the worlds greatest recruiter. I can't say on that. But he does have NFL experience and considering he went to 2 conference titles in four years there, I don't see that as anything to sneeze at.
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Wait. When did the Big East play a conference title game? I thought you had to have 12 teames in your conference to play one.
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Here is the full article from the link. I think you mi-read the last paragraph. It was weirdly worded but I take it to mean when other conferences championship games are complete and the Big East regular season is complete. The writer should have reversed the order or added punctuation for clarity.
The Syracuse Orange may not be BCS bowling, but in their final season as a Big East Conference member they will share a piece of the league's regular-season crown.
Thanks to the Louisville Cardinals defeating the Rutgers Scarlet Knights, 20-17, Thursday at High Point Solutions Stadium, the Orange (7-5, 5-2 Big East) are guaranteed a share of the Big East title with Rutgers (9-3, 5-2), Louisville (9-3, 5-2) and possibly the Cincinnati Bearcats (8-3, 4-2), who play the South Florida Bulls on Saturday.
Syracuse won its last three games of the regular-season schedule, including a blowout victory, 45-26, over Louisville and another league win against the Temple Owls, 38-20, to claim a sliver of the Big East championship. The Orange will more than likely not earn the Big East's automatic BCS berth because Louisville will be ranked higher in the upcoming BCS rankings - which is the tiebreaker in a possible three- or four-way tie a top of the league standings.
This is the first time Syracuse has earned a share of the Big East championship since 2004 when the team went 4-2 in league play.
The Orange are still awaiting a bowl invitation, which should come Sunday or early next week when the Big East regular season and other conference championship games are complete.
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So with Marrone off the board to Buffalo, where do we go from here if we don't get Kelly? I haven't heard much beyond those two mentioned.
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We have reportedly interviewed Whisenhut (the recently fired HC of the Cardinals) and Horton (whisenhut's DC in Arizona). Not sure who else.
I still think that the Browns are stalling because Kelly is their #2. I think the Browns are dragging their feet on Kelly so they can wait until after the BCS NC game and make one last run at Saban (JMO).
Other "Top Candidates" that we have not yet interviewed nor requested permission to interview are: Lovie Smith, Arians, McCoy, Shanahan, Jay Gruden, Bradley, Zimmer, Greg Roman. Top Candidates is in quotes because this is my list of candidates however I listed the names in the order I think the NFL has them ranked as potential HC candidates this year. Again this is 100% my opinion. Also note that the order is not my order of preference but I would be more than okay with any of the "Top Candidates" except Gruden. I would also be fine with Whisenhut.
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A guy I know whose cousin's buddy's brother-in-law's company does IT work for CBS sez a guy he works with saw this link on Bill Cowher's office PC history folder :
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Hell I like the Bengals OC pretty good as well. Man that can get Andy Dalton to the playoffs 2 years in a row deserves to be coach of the freaking year.
Did you happen to watch the Bengals' offense and play calling in the playoff game? No thanks.
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I would take their DC before their OC.
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Source Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians was taken to a hospital Sunday with the flu and will not be with the team for its wild-card playoff game against the Baltimore Ravens. Clyde Christensen, the Colts quarterback coach, will call plays.
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Hope he recovers and is alright. There is some nasty flu going around right now.
Prayers to him and his family.
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I can just see it now.
We don't get chip and settle for some scrub that we fire in 3 years 
Hey,, Kelly is one heck of a College Coach,, no question there, but that doesn't guarantee him success in the NFL. I'm not convinced he's the right guy anyway so I"m not all that worried either way.
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Well...I guess it's time to move on.
Here's to getting Ken Wisenhunt.
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Here's to getting Ken Wisenhunt.
Him and Lovie are next up on my list but really at this point none of them really stand out to me as the "we have to get this guy" like I was with Kelly.
As always now I just hope we get someone that will win some games. 
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East Coast Title Article.
You said he took them to two conference title "Games". The Big East has only 8 members in football they don't play a conference title game, who ever has the best conference record at the end of the year gets crowned the champ.
NCAA says you need at least 12 teams in your conference to play a Conference Title game. That's why the Big 10 didn't start playing one until Nebraska joined last year and we had our 12th member.
Your article states that Syracuse got a share of the Big East title, not that they went to a conference title game.
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I think sitting across from Banner for 7 hours while he makes those creepy facial expressions would scare anybody away. They'd better conduct these interviews by phone.
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The more serious issue to me is that quality coordinators will start flying off the board real soon!
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I think sitting across from Banner for 7 hours while he makes those creepy facial expressions would scare anybody away. They'd better conduct these interviews by phone.
He certainly has a face for radio.
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You said he took them to two conference title "Games". The Big East has only 8 members in football they don't play a conference title game, who ever has the best conference record at the end of the year gets crowned the champ.
You're right. I read somewhere else, couldn't find the link when you asked, that worded in a way that I took it to mean what I told you. But my mistake.
I don't mind admiting to making such a mistake. When I get called out and someone else is right, I'll gladly man up to it rather than avoid it and tell them to "grow up" as I have seen done on this board before.
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The more serious issue to me is that quality coordinators will start flying off the board real soon!
The only coordinator we're going to hire will be an out of work guy, or a QB coach looking to move up.
No team is going to let their coordinator leave for a parallel move.
If Kelly takes a job, he'll probably be his own coordinator.
Possibly the same for any of McCoy, Shanahan, and/or Arians.
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Exactly what I meant! New coaches will round out staff out of this pool or anyone with an expiring contract.
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