DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2012 NFL Season NFL Post Season 2012 RG3 did his best Joe Theisman today, but "Why?", "Why?"..

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Why he was in that's a question only Shanahan can answer, you could tell he wasn't himself by halftime, Cousins should have come out at half when they still had a lead and maybe they could've held it.

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Why he was in that's a question only Shanahan can answer, you could tell he wasn't himself by halftime, Cousins should have come out at half when they still had a lead and maybe they could've held it.

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why am I seeing so many new posters?
Anyway on to your queston. RG3 said himself he took himself out of the game.
You dance with the one that brought you until they say they cant dance anymore.

This will be taken outta context many times you need to read it to understand it.

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Cool welcome back home. I meant no disrespect.

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why am I seeing so many new posters?

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It's that "Browns Fever" that's catching worldwide, Nick.

Haven't you heard? Folks wanna get on that Halsam/Banner/Lombardi/[insert name of inexperienced 4th (!) Rookie HC here] express, before it rolls out of the station.

I mean, you don't want to be left at the station when this shiny new train derails 2.3 years from now- now do you?

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Why he was in that's a question only Shanahan can answer, you could tell he wasn't himself by halftime, Cousins should have come out at half when they still had a lead and maybe they could've held it.

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why am I seeing so many new posters?
Anyway on to your queston. RG3 said himself he took himself out of the game.
You dance with the one that brought you until they say they cant dance anymore.

This will be taken outta context many times you need to read it to understand it.

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I used to post on these boards all the time back when it was the forum directly linked to clevelandbrowns.com, then when they changed to their current board type I quit posting all together, decided to google Browns forums yesterday and to my surprise I find Dawg Talk like it was back in the day.

Missed this place and somehow never got the memo about it lol.

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Why he was in that's a question only Shanahan can answer, you could tell he wasn't himself by halftime, Cousins should have come out at half when they still had a lead and maybe they could've held it.

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why am I seeing so many new posters?
Anyway on to your queston. RG3 said himself he took himself out of the game.
You dance with the one that brought you until they say they cant dance anymore.

This will be taken outta context many times you need to read it to understand it.

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I used to post on these boards all the time back when it was the forum directly linked to clevelandbrowns.com, then when they changed to their current board type I quit posting all together, decided to google Browns forums yesterday and to my surprise I find Dawg Talk like it was back in the day.

Missed this place and somehow never got the memo about it lol.

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Dawg.... welcome "home." Are you posting under the same name as you did back in "the good ol' days?"

I missed the launch, too- and only found it because I reached out to an anonymous poster who had dual citizenship at the time. I came here, and never looked back. (The official site was a cesspool after "The Change"...)

I still owe that anonymous poster a beer, for steering me to this site.

Anyways.... welcome to all noobz (including those who have lurked for years.... hehehe-)

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Yeah I decided to stick with BrownsFan31 (registered last time right around the time we picked William Green, so 2002 I guess it was, name changed to FrostDawg31 towards the end of the old Dawg Talk run as a tribute to our awesome punter Derrick Frost ) and I posted pretty actively up until it switched and hated it so I gave up.

Needless to say stumbling across this place yesterday was an awesome discovery and I'm glad to be back.

William Green lives on through my screenname

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I still owe that anonymous poster a beer, for steering me to this site.

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That anonymous poster owes you a beer for being the moral compass around here...

...so that bozo's like me can spout off at the mouth

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Actually i was wondering if it was because of the excitment about Kelly.
I know hes gone but I have noticed a boost and perhaps Im way off purp would be able to tell us but something was brewing here for a short time. Back to buisness as usual I guess.

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name changed to FrostDawg31 towards the end of the old Dawg Talk run as a tribute to our awesome punter Derrick Frost

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That anonymous poster owes you a beer for being the moral compass around here...

...so that bozo's like me can spout off at the mouth

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name changed to FrostDawg31 towards the end of the old Dawg Talk run as a tribute to our awesome punter Derrick Frost

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Frosty!!! I DO remember you! "Old Home Week," indeed! Glad to see you back with us!

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That anonymous poster owes you a beer for being the moral compass around here...

...so that bozo's like me can spout off at the mouth

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You give me too waaaay too much credit, Dawg. I only calls'em as I sees'em... just like you and each one of Our Pack. If we owe each other some brews, I only hope that someone else at our table is cognizant enough (...at the end of the night) to call us each a cab...

Hmmmm- I guess I need to be a bit more subtle, when giving credit to "anonymous" posters....

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Can somebody PLEASE explain to this first time rookie poster why RG III remained on the field today after he initially tweaked his knee? I absolutely hated seeing the way his knee buckled in the 4th quarter. (Call me a wuss, but I howled in pain as I watched the replay.) They were shown ad nauseum, but I could only watch that mess once, a la, Joe Theisman and his ankle. Whatsmattah you, Washington?...

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They should be ashamed of their field and their handling of their never-done-before rookie all-everything QB.

He's busted up and can't even run, let alone sprint, and it's so bad that just trying to reach for a football makes it collapse...and he's still out there playing? Seriously?!

There's no doubt Shanahan blew it. I don't care what RG3 says.

PFT is suggesting he's got at least two partial ligament tears, and has even used the term "exploratory surgery."

At this point it IS hyperbole, but there's a chance RG3 will never be the same because Shanahan ignored the advice of his doctor and left RG3 out there.

I'm showing my age here, but watching his knee collapse like that without any stress or pressure at all reminded me of when Tony Dorsett went to the Broncos and his knee just crumpled while doing nothing more than running...

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To repeat myself on the RGIII issue, no player is worth 3 first round picks!!!! That is the best example of why.

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ASHBURN, Va. — It doesn't sound good for Robert Griffin III.

An injury that sidelines RG3 well into next season is a very real possibility — or at least it seemed that way Monday after coach Mike Shanahan described the results of tests on the rookie's right knee.

Shanahan said the results are prompting the team to send Griffin to Florida on Tuesday to see renowned orthopedist James Andrews for more examinations, essentially a second opinion that will decide the team's fate for the 2013 season.

"There is a concern," Shanahan said. "That's why he's going to see him."

Griffin tore his ACL while playing for Baylor in 2009, and Shanahan said that old injury caused Griffin's latest MRI to prove inconclusive and produce "differences of opinion" in those who have looked at it.

"They want to take another look and have a physical exam with him," Shanahan said, "to make sure they're not looking at old injuries."

A torn ACL typically requires a rehabilitation period of nine to 12 months, although some players don't return to full health until their second season after the injury. On the other hand, one of this season's most remarkable stories was Adrian Peterson, who returned about eight months after tearing an ACL and nearly broke the NFL's single-season rushing record.

Notably, Shanahan referenced Peterson on Monday, pointing out that the Minnesota Vikings back had the big season without the benefit of an offseason practice program. It could be a possible scenario for Griffin.

Shanahan was grilled about his handling of Griffin's injury. Already playing with a heavy black brace in his third game since spraining a lateral collateral ligament, Griffin hurt the knee again when he fell awkwardly while throwing a pass in the first quarter of Sunday's 24-14 playoff loss to the Seattle Seahawks.

Griffin stayed in the game, but he was far from his usual self, clearly favoring the knee and unable to run with the world-class speed that helped define his play early in the season.

Then, in the fourth quarter with the Redskins trailing by seven, the knee buckled the wrong way when Griffin tried to field a bad shotgun snap. The Seahawks recovered the fumble deep in Washington territory, setting up a short field goal that helped put the game out of reach. Griffin was done for the evening.

Shanahan said he thought he made the "right decisions" to keep Griffin in the game and that it would be "crazy" to think he would purposely sacrifice Griffin's career to win a game. He said he did not talk to team doctors initially after Griffin was hurt in the first quarter, instead relying on Griffin's word.

"I went up to Robert. I said, `You OK?'" Shanahan said. "And he said, `I'm fine.'"

Griffin was also feeling the criticism for not taking himself out. He did not appear in the locker room during the two hours it was open to reporters Monday morning and instead made his public statements via Twitter.

"Many may question, criticize & think they have all the right answers. But few have been in the line of fire in battle. ... I thank God for perspective and because of that I appreciate the support from everyone. I also appreciate the criticism. ... When adversity strikes you respond in one of two ways....You step aside and give in..Or you step up and fight," Griffin tweeted.

Teammates defended Griffin's desire to play hurt, saying it's part of an athlete's competitive nature.

"It's a slippery slope, I guess you can say, because you want to help the team," said receiver Pierre Garcon, who faced a similar dilemma this season while dealing with a painful toe injury. "But you want to help yourself in the long run and your career.

"You want to look out for all sides, but it's hard to really know exactly if you're doing the right thing because if you sit out and the team losses, it's like `I could probably have helped.' If you go out there and don't help the team, it's like, `I probably should've sat out.' You've just got to make a decision and live with it."

Shanahan's take on Griffin was also muddled by details that have emerged from the game in which the quarterback originally hurt the knee last month against the Baltimore Ravens.

The coach said at the time he was told by Andrews on the Redskins sideline that Griffin was cleared to return to the game, but Andrews told USA Today over the weekend that he didn't get a chance to examine the knee during the one play Griffin sat out after the initial injury.

Shanahan explained the apparent discrepancy.

"I don't sit down with him and say, `Hey, did you give him a proper evaluation?'" Shanahan said. "I ask him, `Is it OK if he goes back in the game?' He says yes or no. He said yes."

Either way, the various versions of what happened cast more intrigue on the protocol NFL teams use to determine whether someone is fit to keep playing. Redskins left guard Kory Lichtensteiger had to leave Sunday's game in the first quarter because he could no longer play on a sprained left ankle that kept him out of practice all week.

"I went out there," Lichtensteiger said. "But, in hindsight, I probably shouldn't have done it."

Griffin's injury and the playoff loss put a damper on the end of one of the best Redskins seasons in two decades. Washington rallied from a 3-6 start to win the NFC East after four straight last-place finishes. Assuming Griffin's knee will again be fully healthy, the future looks brighter than at any time since the Super Bowl era under coach Joe Gibbs in the 1980s and early 1990s.

"I think people have really learned around here — if you're down by seven, people aren't packing it in," said safety Reed Doughty, wrapping up his seventh season in Washington. "People aren't getting that `Oh, the way things used to be' kind of feeling."

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When he's basically running on one leg, dragging his other foot behind him, at some point he's got to say to himself and to his coach, "I'm just not able to get it done on this leg." Nobody who isn't a total doofus is going to watch that footage of him hobbling around, falling without being touched and not able to hit the broad side of a barn because he can't set his feet and think to themselves, "man, what a wimp," if he takes himself out.

I would say that it stinks for the Skins, except I don't give a crap about them. They decided to go into all-in win-now mode by selling the farm to get RGIII, and they're reaping what they've sown. Can't feel sorry for them for a second.

Also have to say that tweeting that "many will criticize but few have been on the field of battle" or whatever it was exactly makes him come off sounding like a tool, and saying that "I am the best option for this team" when you can barely jog makes him sound like an egomaniac.

Praise him for having guts or whatever, but he's every bit as responsible as Shanahan is for all of this.

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Praise him for having guts or whatever, but he's every bit as responsible as Shanahan is for all of this.

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Also have to say that tweeting that "many will criticize but few have been on the field of battle" or whatever it was exactly makes him come off sounding like a tool, and saying that "I am the best option for this team" when you can barely jog makes him sound like an egomaniac.

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