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Redskins name change should be discussed, Vincent Gray says
By Mike DeBonis
The Redskins’ resurgence has District politicos once again talking about what it would take to relocate the team back inside the city limits. But Mayor Vincent C. Gray (D) today suggested there would have to be a controversial prerequisite to any stadium deal: a name change, or at least discussion of one.
As Courtland Milloy reminded Washington Post readers today, the Redskins moniker has been under fire for decades for being, plainly, a racial slur. The team, under the ownership of both Jack Kent Cooke and Daniel M. Snyder, has resisted making a change.
“I think that if they get serious with the team coming back to Washington, there’s no doubt there’s going to have to be a discussion about that,” he said after a news conference, “and of course the team is going to have to work with us around that issue.”
Gray noted that many sports team — including the Washington Bullets — have discarded offensive names and/or mascots.
“I think it has become a lightning rod, and I would be love to be able to sit down with the team … and see if a change should be made,” he said. “There’s a precedent for this, and I think there needs to be a dispassionate discussion about this, and do the right thing.”
The mayor did not go so far as to call the Redskins name a “dealbreaker” but he did obliquely reference that the federal government, not the District, ultimately controls the land on which RFK Stadium now sits and on which a replacement football stadium would most likely be built.
Recall that the Redskins, under avowed racist owner George Preston Marshall, did not field a black player until 1962, after Interior Secretary Stewart Udall threatened to deny the team the use of what would later be named RFK Stadium unless it integrated.
Could a future federal official pull a Udall and threaten to keep the Redskins off federal land unless they changed their name? That would indeed be a dealbreaker.
In other Redskins-related comments, the mayor discussed Robert Griffin III’s knee maladies, which now threaten to keep him out of at least part of the next season. Gray put the blame on team doctors rather than Head Coach Mike Shanahan or Griffin himself.
“It probably raised the question of whether medical professionals should play a greater role in whether a player continues to play or not,” he said. “We’ve obviously done that with concussions, and maybe we need to do that with all the injuries. … A coach is not a medical professional, and I think they should defer to medical professionals in instances like this.”
Note that there has been much discussion of whether the Redskins’ team doctor, nationally renowned orthopedist James Andrews, had sufficient opportunity to examine Griffin after his initial injury last month.
Gray added, “I think if the Redskins had won, this would be described as a courageous act on the part of the player.”
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Maybe they should change it to "Bullets" ...
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in the NBA, you would just pick whatever popular movie is out and name them something associated:
Toronto Raptors (Jurassic Park) Washington Wizards (Harry Potter)
So, here are some suggestions:
Washington Hulks Washington Iron Men Washington Dark Knights
But, I think I found the winner: Washington Archers (both for Hawkeye and Hunger Games)
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I'm sure he'd want the Washington Grays. Please go away Mayor. You have too much crime to meddle in this.
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If we're going with movies... Washington Djangos 
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I'd tell them: "OK, we won't move back to Washington , we'll move to LA."
That would probably end that conversation pretty quickly.
They are the friggen Redskins....just embrace it at this point.
Geesh.
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I still think the Washington Bullets name change was ridiculous. Yes, I know there are bullets in guns (and I know that some people feel guns are inately evil), but there's such a thing as a bullet train, too. So the Bullet nickname could have remained and been focussed in that direction.
I don't know of many people of Irish descent calling for Notre Dame to change it's name. Or any ranch owners in Texas calling for the Cowboys name to be changed.
Like Peen said, it's the Redskins - embrace it already and move on.
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Neither of those names are derogatory terms for a people group.
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Now if we can just rid Cleveland of Wahoo...
Basically have.
I see the cursive I on more stuff than I do wahoo.
But I don't find Wahoo to be a racist symbol. Nor do I the redskins logo.
They're just logos.
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I take it you've not seen the ND logo. As there are very few persons of Irish descent left on the team,I would think "The Fightin Afro-Americans" would be more appropriate. But then you,and many like you would find that offensive.
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First, how about Washington worries about getting a field/turf that isn't absolute crap. Then, they can worry about a new name and stadium.
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First, how about Washington worries about getting a field/turf that isn't absolute crap. Then, they can worry about a new name and stadium.
...Wouldn't a new stadium have something to do with getting a new turf? 
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unless the Indians obtain the rights to the Bob Feller picture and rename the team the Cleveland Fellers
and then the Cavs can rename themselves to the Cleveland Carrs
all 3 pro teams named after one of the best that played/coached for them (and I don't care if the Browns were technically named after Paul Brown or not ---- at this point, the name signifies their ties to Paul Brown)
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First, how about Washington worries about getting a field/turf that isn't absolute crap. Then, they can worry about a new name and stadium.
...Wouldn't a new stadium have something to do with getting a new turf?
Not when it's going to take a couple years minimum to build a new stadium. The field needs to be fixed asap before more players get injured there. Don't forget, Peterson tore his ACL the year before (though his injury was primarily caused by a defender hitting him while his leg was planted).
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Neither of those names are derogatory terms for a people group.
So Fighting Sioux is deratory but Fighting Irish isn't? Not saying YOU claimed Fighting Sioux is, but that's the reason the name was changed.
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People need to quit being pansies, and get over it. It's just a name for an entertainment franchise.
It's not like they are calling themselves, the Washington Drunken Scalping Redskins or something. But if they really insist, I say go with Washington Congress and fill the team with a bunch of bickering idiots, make the logo a dollar sign, and the mascot can be Alfred E. Newman.
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While I don't really agree with making the Redskins change their name I don't think comparing the Redskin name with the Indians, Seminoles etc is close to an equal comparison.And I do understand why some would find it offensive.
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While I don't really agree with making the Redskins change their name I don't think comparing the Redskin name with the Indians, Seminoles etc is close to an equal comparison.And I do understand why some would find it offensive.
I agree that "Redskins" isn't the same as naming a team after a tribe, and I do think chief Wahoo is a bit deragatory in nature. But, if the native Americans don't find them offensive, there's really no issue.
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I say they should change thier names to something which reflects whats going on in national politics more Washington things...
Like Washington Nimrods...
You get the picture....
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I say they keep the name REDSKINS! But....Change the mascot to a potato. 
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We have a nation gnats eyelash from going under, we have politicians that supposedly work for us wasting money and taxing us to death and wanting a raise for doing such a lousy job.
We have an infrastructure that is crumbling, we have people starving, we have homeless people, we have cruelty to animals, we have crisis in our educational system, our healthcare situation is a mess, we treat our veterans like dirt, Unemployment, while improving, is still way to high. I could go on and on, but I see no value to that.
This person is worried about hurting someones feelings about a sports teams name? Gimme a break, but we have MUCH bigger fish to fry.
This isn't to say that I'm insensitive to the American Indian, but you know,,, sometimes, you gotta take on the bigger issue first.
I'm absolutly certain that the Redskins weren't named the Redskins to anger or embarrass the American Indians Proud heritage.
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While I don't really agree with making the Redskins change their name I don't think comparing the Redskin name with the Indians, Seminoles etc is close to an equal comparison.And I do understand why some would find it offensive.
I agree that "Redskins" isn't the same as naming a team after a tribe, and I do think chief Wahoo is a bit deragatory in nature. But, if the native Americans don't find them offensive, there's really no issue.
Definitely. I think that it's not necessarily the best idea to lump the issues with those types of team names and mascots together because they're not necessarily offensive in the same ways (as strange and convuluted as that sounds).
For example, with the Redskins, the big problem most people have is with the name, because it can be considered a slur. It doesn't seem like most have as much of an issue with the logo. With the Indians, its somewhat of the opposite, where the major point of contention is the Chief Wahoo mascot, in that its essentially a century-old racist charicature. Then there are teams like the Atlanta Braves, where people have a problem with the chopping hand motion. Or the FSU Seminoles, whose name and logo don't seem overtly racist in any way (to me, at least), but the objection is just to using a tribe name as a mascot for a sports team. And I don't think I've ever heard the Chicago Blackhawks brought up in these discussions. But I think that unless you throw out all of these team names and mascots, you're always going to have someone that's upset or offended, because everyone is upset and offended by different things.
As an aside, I've never really understood why "Native American" is considered any more acceptable or politically correct than "Indian". The issue with "Indian" as I've understood it is that they were believed to have landed in the Indes islands, hence the term. But "Native American" to me has the implication that the land to which these people are indigenous has always been known to them as America, when it really was a European term applied to them centuries after the fact. "Native American" really is no less of a European construct than "Indian" is. It would seem to me that being called anything other than the name of your tribe would be at least mildly offensive.
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I'm absolutly certain that the Redskins weren't named the Redskins to anger or embarrass the American Indians Proud heritage.
Wouldn't you agree that even though it wasn't the intention of the person who named the team, it still could possibly anger or embarrass the Native Americans?
(Indians are from India, the reason people started calling them Indians was because the original explorers thought they were in southeast Asia)
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I'm absolutly certain that the Redskins weren't named the Redskins to anger or embarrass the American Indians Proud heritage.
True, but I'd be willing to bet that it had something to do with them being considered barbaric or war-like or savage. I doubt it was meant to be overtly insulting but the connotations are still there.
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But, if the native Americans don't find them offensive, there's really no issue.
Some do. Some don't.
(Not sure if you are saying all NA's don't find them offensive. I know some do.)
Just because there are some that don't find it offensive, doesn't mean we do nothing. And on the reverse, if some find it offensive, do we HAVE to change them?
Changing a mascot or logo should be simple. A name is tough.
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Then how about the Washington Senators .... oh wait .... same thing. 
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I find the name Browns offensive as some guys on the team are white so it is a misleading name, and false advertising. 
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I'm sure he'd want the Washington Grays. Please go away Mayor. You have too much crime to meddle in this.
DC's crime rate is actually decreasing and is way lower than it used to be. I'm happy to live here and could actually see myself staying here for a long time.
As for the Redskins, I think the name should be changed because it's on the same level as other ethnic slurs. There's plenty of names and the only people who don't see the negative meaning are the older people on this board it seems.
As for Chief Wahoo, this pretty much sums up my feelings:

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This group was not the native people of the land who were forcibly removed, murdered, raped, and all kinds of other atrocities in the name of manifest destiny.
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This group was not the native people of the land who were forcibly removed, murdered, raped, and all kinds of other atrocities in the name of manifest destiny.
nor were those atrocities only in one direction.
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regardless of whether or not it should be changed, it's a dumb name.
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Based on their spear helmets and their hog named fanbase:
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This group was not the native people of the land who were forcibly removed, murdered, raped, and all kinds of other atrocities in the name of manifest destiny.
Are you not familiar with Irish slave trading?
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The Washington Obamanations. 
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