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Somewhat interesting news:

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The Philadelphia Eagles have interviewed Notre Dame's Brian Kelly for their coaching vacancy, league sources told ESPN.

Kelly met with the Eagles on Tuesday, and there was mutual interest after the interview, according to league sources. Kelly left the country after meeting with the Eagles and could not be reached for comment.

The Eagles and Kelly have agreed to revisit talks when he returns this weekend, according to league sources.

Kelly coached the Fighting Irish to a 12-0 regular season and an appearance in the Discover BCS National Championship. Playing for its first national title since 1988, Notre Dame was routed by Alabama, 42-14, on Monday night.

Philadelphia has been seeking a replacement for longtime coach Andy Reid, who was fired one day after the Eagles completed a disappointing 4-12 season.




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Philly wants a name. That's all I'm seeing from them.

They need a total reboot with that team. Too bad that don't have a GM that's good at acquiring young talent.


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I'm sure NFL players would react swimmingly to one of Kelly's sideline screaming tantrums. DeSean Jackson might punch him square in the face.

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Philly wants a name. That's all I'm seeing from them.

They need a total reboot with that team. Too bad that don't have a GM that's good at acquiring young talent.




Lurie had some interesting things to say about this in his press conference. To sum it up, he says their GM made better choices than the others who had a say. Based on his extensive notes of who recommended who over the last few years.
Essentially throwing Reid and Banner under the bus as far as their scouting talents.


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The Philadelphia Eagles have interviewed Notre Dame's Brian Kelly for their coaching vacancy, league sources told ESPN.

Kelly met with the Eagles on Tuesday, and there was mutual interest after the interview, according to league sources. Kelly left the country after meeting with the Eagles and could not be reached for comment.

The Eagles and Kelly have agreed to revisit talks when he returns this weekend, according to league sources.

Kelly coached the Fighting Irish to a 12-0 regular season and an appearance in the Discover BCS National Championship. Playing for its first national title since 1988, Notre Dame was routed by Alabama, 42-14, on Monday night.

Philadelphia has been seeking a replacement for longtime coach Andy Reid, who was fired one day after the Eagles completed a disappointing 4-12 season.




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Maybe they had a bunch of "Coach Kelly" shirts made after that long interview with Chip and didn't want them to go to waste.

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My top candidates at this point are:

1 - Zimmer
2 - Sealy
3 - Bradley
4 - Arians
5 - Whisenhunt


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When I first heard Mike Zimmer I yawned but after learning more about this guy, he is now my favorite.

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Philly wants a name. That's all I'm seeing from them.





Sometimes and in many cases you become a "name" because of your accomplishments in the NFL. Sometimes you "build a name" over time, sort of like a brand is built.

Having a "name" doesn't make success a sure fire bet, but being a "no name" certainly doesn't either. Did you ever consider they may be interviewing the best candidates available at this point in time?



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Sometimes and in many cases you become a "name" because of your accomplishments in the NFL.





Like Chip and Brian Kelly have?


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Having a "name" doesn't make success a sure fire bet, but being a "no name" certainly doesn't either. Did you ever consider they may be interviewing the best candidates available at this point in time?






So far the two people Philly has put out that they've interviewed are Chip Kelly, and Brian Kelly.

When I said "name" I meant they are looking to make a "splash" they want to be in the headlines.

Let's say they never interviewed Chip or Brian, and went out and signed Lovie Smith, a guy some see as a good HC. What would the Philly fans think? We just hired a guy who couldn't cut it in Chicago? Why aren't we going after a good coach like the Browns are?

I said in another thread, it's all about perception. And IMO Philly is more focused on "winning the press conferance" than MAKING SURE they are getting the best coach.

(Side Note: I'm pretty sure Jimmy and Joe were all about "winning the press conferance" as well untill it all blew up in their faces, thing is, we may be better off.)

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I keep reading these threads and sometimes can't help but be amused by many of the comments I have been reading.

There are a lot of very viable HC candidates out there and available. From everything I've seen to this juncture, this FO is offensively motivated. Every candidate to this point with the accception of Zimmer, has been an O oreintated HC candidate.

With that in mind, it would clearly indicate that an offensive guy is heavily favored in this race. I know this list isn't all inclusive, but let's look at a short list as it were of people that would seem logical as really "good candidates".

Mike McCoy

He took a QB who was throwing for a 47% completion rate in Tebow, compleely re-tooled their O around his limited skill set and made the playoffs. He's 40 years old and fits in with the youth movement.

Kyle Shanahan

Even younger at 33, he was the youngest coach ever named as OC in the NFL at the age of 28 for the Texans. Once again we have a very young guy who has shown an ability to adjust a system around the talent he has with success at doing so.

Bruce Areins

A seasoned veteran as an NFL OC who has had a great measure of success. He lead our O to the only playoff since our return in 2002. We have seen the collapse of the Steeler O since he went to Indy. We have also seen what he could accomplish in rallying a young team in Indy when the chips were down. Yes he had Luck at QB, but if you look around on that team, outside of Luck, it certainly wasn't some all-star cast.

Now there are other names that could go on this list. It's by no means a complete one. But from what I've seen from some, it does appear as though with everyone this FO brings in, people try to find the sliver lining in that cloud.

I just wonder...... Hasn't this fan base seen enough yet? Haven't we been sold a bill of goods enough times with the likes of Palmer, Crennel, Shurmer?

Yet I keep seeing things llike.... "Well, after looking at it closer"...... "I'm beginning to warm up to this guy"........ "The more I think about it".......

Let's get serious people.



We've been sold a bill of goods so many times and it appears so many are so desperate, that they'd be willing to put their seal of approval on almost anyone.

This is an actual search for a capable person to be the head coach of our team.

Not Adopt A Coach Day that the local SPCA.

Awe, he's so cute! He even sits when you tell him to!..... They said this one was house trained!....... Awe, look at that sad little smile....... I think I'll name him Scotty.....



Don't settle or be sold a bill of goods. Expect some accountability this time. Once a HC is named, ask yourself..... Is he really the best HC candidate available as we were promised?

In the mean time, let's not act like every body being dragged through the interview process here is some kind of football genious..... They're not.....


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Like Chip and Brian Kelly have?




I guess if you're going for the flavor of the month club in the NCAA. But they aren't even the best NCAA candidates.


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So far the two people Philly has put out that they've interviewed are Chip Kelly, and Brian Kelly.




No, they also have more interviews to come.

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Let's say they never interviewed Chip or Brian, and went out and signed Lovie Smith, a guy some see as a good HC. What would the Philly fans think? We just hired a guy who couldn't cut it in Chicago? Why aren't we going after a good coach like the Browns are?




That's odd because the Eagles are set to interview Lovie Smith. Actually today.



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I said in another thread, it's all about perception. And IMO Philly is more focused on "winning the press conferance" than MAKING SURE they are getting the best coach.




I think the perception they're giving is they're going to make this a thorough process. Which after the Kelly debacle, I think we're doing the exact same thing actually.

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(Side Note: I'm pretty sure Jimmy and Joe were all about "winning the press conferance" as well untill it all blew up in their faces, thing is, we may be better off.)




Which if "winning the prees conference" is their final goal, their promise of "getting the best HC for the job" goes out the window. Let's just pray something was learned form that.

I'd be willing to bet we're better off. He was nothing more than a name with a very short resume'. But a lot of people around here were quick to jump on board!



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I thought McCoy was fired.. and Fox was the one who retooled the Denver offense. everyone was upset because McCoy wanted Tebow.. but Tebow sat the bench a lot when McCoy was there. After McCoy was fired and move to NE.. Fox had to try to clean up McCoy's mess and try to work with Tebow.


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Nope. Fox may have been in charge of re-tooling the O under Manning, but McCoy is still the OC in Denver.

And while I'm not trying to discerdit Fox, Manning runs Mannings O. It is what it is IMO.

Manning pretty much does what Manning does. I think it's far more remarkable to take your team to the playoffs with someone limited like Tebow throwing for less than 50% than it is to win with Peyton Manning.

But maybe that's just me.



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Maybe J&J are just waiting for McDaniels and then hire Lombardi

Those 4 in the war room trying to reach "consensus" with Banner the tie breaker and I'm out the day they're hired...promised

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Maybe J&J are just waiting for McDaniels and then hire Lombardi

Those 4 in the war room trying to reach "consensus" with Banner the tie breaker and I'm out the day they're hired...promised




The video was pretty funny!



The whole Lombardi sound makes me want to throw up in my mouth just a little bit......



And the whole "consensus" comment surely doesn't sound very promising....


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Not sure if this has been posted yet.

if so, I'm sorry, but the threads on this subject are pretty hard to keep up with at this point.

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Marc Trestman, who's won two Canadian Football League titles, is one of the Browns coaching candidates.
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BEREA, Ohio – Browns coaching candidate Marc Trestman will make a seamless transition from the Canadian Football League provided he remembers a few simple rule changes and field adjustments, said two NFL legends who successfully negotiated similar jumps.

Punting on third down is frowned upon by the American fan base. Employing 12 men on offense or defense will draw a flag every time. NFL end zones aren’t the size of mall parking lots like they are in Canada.

“You do have to adapt a bit, but it’s the same game,” former CFL and NFL coach Marv Levy said. “The same things that win in the U.S. win up there. If you run, throw, block, tackle, catch, kick better than your opponent, you’re probably going to win. It’s still about fundamentals and teaching.

“I have been very impressed with Marc. I know he’s being considered for several jobs and I think he’d make a darn good NFL coach.”

Levy and Bud Grant -- a pair of Pro Football Hall of Famers who excelled on both sides of the Ambassador Bridge – believe Trestman would have no trouble making the conversion back to the American game. He’s spent the past five seasons coaching the Montreal Alouettes, winning Grey Cup titles in 2009-10.

Grant and Levy offered the 56-year-old former Browns offensive coordinator and long-time NFL assistant strong endorsements Wednesday. Trestman has been interviewed by the Browns and Chicago Bears in recent days.

“He’s made all the stops and coached in almost every capacity,” said Grant, who guided the Minnesota Vikings to four NFC titles in the 1960s and 70s. “We try to make football more complicated than it really is. Coaching is coaching whether it’s here or in Canada. The same principles apply.”

Levy and Grant are each familiar with Trestman, the Browns offensive coordinator in 1989 when they reached the AFC Championship Game. Trestman is a Minneapolis, Minn., native who tried out for Grant’s Vikings as a defensive back in the late 1970s before earning his law degree from the University of Miami and serving as Bernie Kosar’s quarterbacks coach with the Hurricanes.

Grant hired Trestman and Pete Carroll, now coach of the Seattle Seahawks, in 1985. Trestman toiled for eight NFL franchises then became head coach of the Alouettes in 2008. One of Trestman’s early acts was to invite another Grey-Cup-winning Alouettes' coach to training camp. It was the 87-year-old Levy.

“Marc’s a good teacher,” said Levy, who guided the Buffalo Bills to four straight Super Bowls in the 1990s. It’s about more than just knowing the game, it’s being able to convey it to players in a manner where they buy in and understand it . . . Good teacher, works well with everyone in the organization and he’s a straight shooter. Those are qualities that are so important as a head coach.”

Both coaches said Trestman is innovative without, in the words of Levy, “being off the wall.” Trestman has twice served as offensive coordinator on teams (San Francisco and Oakland) that finished first in passing.

Despite 17 seasons as an NFL assistant, Grant believes Trestman’s five years of head-coaching experience are important to the men doing the interviewing this week.

While Levy and Grant are the most successful examples, other coaches such as Rod Rust and Hugh Campbell have toggled between the NFL and CFL. One of the NFL’s former top executives, Bill Polian, scouted for Levy in Montreal.

Levy, who won two CFL championships, said the Canadian league offers the best football outside the NFL. The Grey Cup winner, he added, would “dominate” the best college teams.

“The difference between the college and the pro game is unbelievable, even up there,” Levy said.

Grant, 85, a four-time Grey Cup winner with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers, remains close with Trestman who returns to his native Minnesota in the offseason.

“He’s got the experience, dedication and smarts for the job,” Grant said. “I wouldn’t hesitate to hire him.”




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Wow...Eagle fans are tuff.....

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"Once a HC is named, ask yourself..... Is he really the best HC candidate available as we were promised?"

how are we to know who the best candidate is?
We all have our favorites,but none of us really know anything about that particular person.We have stats and Lord knows the media will keep us informed of the man's accomplishments and failures.
You can't hire a man on stats,accomplishments and praise from others.
Until one of us actually has the opportunity to sit across the table from one of the candidates and asks him the tough questions,we have nothing to go on but our own uninformed opinions.
If we could be honest with others and ourselves we all would readily admit that we don't know poop.
Having said that,I like Whisenhunt,and this McCoy guy.

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I thought McCoy was fired.. and Fox was the one who retooled the Denver offense. everyone was upset because McCoy wanted Tebow.. but Tebow sat the bench a lot when McCoy was there. After McCoy was fired and move to NE.. Fox had to try to clean up McCoy's mess and try to work with Tebow.




I think that you're thinking of McDaniels, who was the Denver head coach before Fox.


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j/c... eff Mike Holmgren. That is all.

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j/c... eff Mike Holmgren. That is all.




?? anything new?

He announced to the world that he would be willing to listen to anyone that wanted him as a coach on Jan.1st. Then, crickets. SD put his name out there as a possibility, but had not brought him in from anything I have seen.

So, it would appear the rest of the NFL agrees with that sentiment to this point (unless there is something new)


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No, I just blame him for this mess. He took what he called "the most important decision" he would make with the Browns and used it as an opportunity to put training pants on his buddy's nephew or whatever who was clearly in over his head and so self-conscious about it that he tried to cling to all the duties he could (OC, playcalling, etc). Now our team hasn't progressed, we'll likely have to blow up the offense again, and all the learning our team did last year will be for nothing.

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fair enough. he deserves a bunch of blame on that one. he also deserves blame on not firing Mangini a year earlier to really kick things fully into gear from the get-go.

i still blame Randy more for this mess though. if he knew he was selling the team (all indications were that he did), then he never should have hired Holmgren in the first place. he should have stated that the GM would have the ultimate personnel decisions to attract better candidates and gone and got one while keeping Mangini as HC.

as it ended, he pretty much guaranteed a reboot every 2 years by changing regimes from Mangini to Holmgren to Haslam/Banner.


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I thought that Holmgren did interview with San Diego ...... but no word on any decisions there yet.

San Diego is probably doing what many teams seem to be doing ... weighing previous experience against age. However, my feeling is this ...... You need a coach to get you to the point where you can bring in that young coach who can grow into the job. Teams like the Steelers and Ravens brought in young, and relatively inexperienced head coaches ..... but they were set on the defensive side of the ball, and each team even kept their previous defensive coordinator. Seeing as one of those coaches was a defensive coach, and the other was a special teams coach, these 2 coaches had no need, nor really any ability, to go and try to take over the offense. They were able to set the general direction of the team, then work through their coaches and coordinators to get the results they wanted.

It does seem to me that once a team becomes established, then they are well served to hire a coach who coaches their best side of the ball, because that coach can then actually grow into being a head coach without having to try and be a coordinator as well. That is a concern I have about some of the offensive coaches we have interviewed ..... that they will not spend as much time as head coach as they need to.

I suppose that it can work both ways. Andy Reid and Mike Holmgren are examples of offensive minded coaches who built offenses for their teams. In the end, I guess it depends on the coach himself.

I would still prefer an offensive minded head coach, just because this league leans to offense. I also think that our offense needs the most help ..... but the last thing I want to see is a head coach trying to cooperate with an offensive coordinator and wind up blowing each other up.


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I don't see a savior or even much of an upgrade in the bunch. Right now I'd be OK with Haslam telling Heckert and Shurmur it was all a practical joke get back to work.

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Has there been any info on Shanahan? I am wondering why there hasn't been any news of him interviewing anywhere since the skins are out of the playoffs now. I am hoping we at least set one up with him.

Right now my list in no particular order:
Shanahan
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So far we have only interviewed Zimmer from that list, at least to my knowledge.

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Jags fire Mike Mularkey

The plot thickens....

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I didn't think he'd last to be honest.. Was really surprised it took this long. hell, Shumur did a better job.


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I think Randy Lerner knew he was selling the team the day Al Lerner passed. He just had to wait out the 10 year requirement that Al Lerner wanted. I firmly believe Randys A number one objective was to find someone to deal with all things Browns until he was able to sell. I would not be surprised if Holmgren knew this from day one. He was able to sit back and play owner while helping his agent/ long time buddy get his clients employed and collecting a fat paycheck for little actual work.
Let Heckert run the day to day and Shurmur do whatever he wanted on the field. I mean with all of Holmgrens experience isn't it odd that he was onboard with Shurmur calling all of his own plays as a 1st year HC, on a new team with no off season?
So I blame both of them.

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I thought that Holmgren did interview with San Diego ...... but no word on any decisions there yet.





nope. the most I have seen is that they are interested in him, but no interview.


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of co-ordinators with very good HC fathers, Brian Schottenheimer is ahead of Kyle Shanahan on my list (though he hasn't gotten rumors either)


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The plot thickens....




Will they interview Tebow now?


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Will they interview Tebow now?




or will Tebow interview them


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Like Chip and Brian Kelly have?




I guess if you're going for the flavor of the month club in the NCAA. But they aren't even the best NCAA candidates.





You weren't talking about the NCAA, you mentioned NFL Resumes, of which Kelly and Brian have none.

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No, they also have more interviews to come.





Uh yeah, exactly, up till now they have interviewed two people, both college coaches, and NOW they are coming back to the NFL.

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Let's say they never interviewed Chip or Brian, and went out and signed Lovie Smith, a guy some see as a good HC. What would the Philly fans think? We just hired a guy who couldn't cut it in Chicago? Why aren't we going after a good coach like the Browns are?




That's odd because the Eagles are set to interview Lovie Smith. Actually today.






Yeah, because they didn't get the one "name" guy that was available (Chip) and then suddenly started talking to another guy who just played for a National Championship whos out of the country.

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I said in another thread, it's all about perception. And IMO Philly is more focused on "winning the press conferance" than MAKING SURE they are getting the best coach.




I think the perception they're giving is they're going to make this a thorough process. Which after the Kelly debacle, I think we're doing the exact same thing actually.




How is it a thorough process if both Cleveland and Philly would of signed the FIRST GUY THEY INTERVIEWED had he been willing to sign?

It's exactly the same thing Lerner did with Mangini, saw a coach, hired coach...

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I'd be willing to bet we're better off. He was nothing more than a name with a very short resume'. But a lot of people around here were quick to jump on board!






But not you right? Well that's good, wouldn't want people to think you "have a horse in this race"

Because that's all that matters here on DTers, it's not about winning, it's about making sure your post was right


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Mularkey is a horrible head coach (16-32 for his career with Buffalo and Jacksonville). But he is a pretty decent offensive coordinator. He would not be my first choice, but I would not be upset if he ended up our offensive coordinator.

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Mularkey is a horrible head coach (16-32 for his career with Buffalo and Jacksonville).




I will say it sucks for him because he's now likely to never get another shot...Maybe he doesn't deserve it...

But really, Buffalo and Jacksonville, did he ever REALLY have a chance?

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How is it a thorough process if both Cleveland and Philly would of signed the FIRST GUY THEY INTERVIEWED had he been willing to sign?




didn't we also interview Horton, Whisenhunt, Marrone (twice), O'Brien along with Chip? and ask permission for McDaniels (who said no thanks)?

since Chip, we have now added Zimmer, Chud, Trestman and asked the Colts for permission on Arians.

Chip was 5th (and would have been 6th if McDaniels was willing to interview). And we are at 8 soon to be 9 guys so far.


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