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j/c Cleveland Browns interviewing Ken Whisenhunt a 2nd time today, source tells Plain Dealer Link
Intoducing for The Cleveland Browns, Quarterback Deshawn "The Predator" Watson. He will also be the one to choose your next head coach.
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Whisenhunt also traded up to get Skelton and called his own plays as HC. Great.
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I remember Whisenhunt drooling over Leinart and in no way did Matt have the skill set to run Whisenhunts offense.
When did he drool over Leinart? Didn't he start off 2007 by splitting time between Warner and Leinart?
Not saying I'm right, just what I remember.
Yea Leinart was his starter but he kept sucking and Warner started getting his confidence back. Now I will say this, I think Weeden could do well in his scheme. I just think Weeden, Gordon and Richardson will be stars under Chud and we are so close on defense, I do not want a change to the 3-4.
I really think this D is a pass rusher away from being an elite level Super Bowl contending defense. Zimmer and Chud are the 2 guys that really jump off to me as the next GREAT coaches.
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Whisenhunt also traded up to get Skelton and called his own plays as HC. Great.
Traded up in the 5th round. And if I remember correctly, Skelton had a lot of fans around here.
you had a good run Hank.
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Die Hard Cardinal fan here and I sincerely hope the Browns do not hire Kenny boy, for you will witness record amounts of 3 and outs. Look up his team's offensive ranks sans Kurt Warner.
Unless he has learned valuable lessons from his glaring mistakes in Cardinal land, I would not wish the slow steady death on any team.
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Die Hard Cardinal fan here and I sincerely hope the Browns do not hire Kenny boy, for you will witness record amounts of 3 and outs. Look up his team's offensive ranks sans Kurt Warner.
Unless he has learned valuable lessons from his glaring mistakes in Cardinal land, I would not wish the slow steady death on any team.
Look up the QBs you had sans Kurt Warner.
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interested in how much it was portrayed there on whisenhunt having influence over FA and draft decisions.
you guys don't have an OL, RB or QB (Kolb is actually okay, but he cannot stay healthy especially behind that OL).
so, do people in AZ feel that Whisenhunt was a big part of ignoring OL (in particular)?
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Is it because he hasn't had a good qb or is it he doesnt change the offense to fit personnel
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I love that people say "look at who his quarterbacks were", as if some perennial Pro Bowl QB is going to get lost driving up I-71 and wind up in Berea.
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Uggghhhh.
Call me utterly unimpressed. We might as well as stayed with Shurmur.
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After the Super Bowl Run, Whisenhunt was considered a God in AZ and Cardinal land and he parlayed it into ulitimate say on the final roster and was the major force in the draft room.
Every quarterback post Warner was hand picked by him and he failed miserably at developing a single one. His supreme stubborness was very frustrating and instead of adjusting his offense to the talent (even limited talent) he lived by the mantra of "The System Works."
As for the Offensive Line it was his nepostism with Russ Grimm that was the biggest factor he and the team basically ignored the position for multiple drafts combined with a mulittude absurdly hoorible FA signings.
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A bit of both.
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To compare Whisenhunt to Shurmur is nonsense. Whisenhunt was very successful as a OC, and coached the Cards to the Super Bowl. I know most will say it was Warner, but think about Warner in NY. Maybe Whisenhunt was what got Warner rolling again. Shurmur, well, is Fritz's nephew.... 
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Thx for info. That is what i am worried about here. We are essentially handing him the keys to the franchise and if he doesn't have an eye for talent we will be in same boat as before
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Apparently he made the call to take Lindley, who is awful.
http://www.arizonasports.com/40/1535755/Whisenhunt-on-developing-young-QB-Lindley
he Arizona Cardinals stayed true to their draft board this week, and watched it pay dividends with the players afforded to them.
One draft pick that was a bit of head scratcher was the selection of San Diego State quarterback Ryan Lindley 185th overall. While Lindley boasts a strong frame and was a consistent presence on the field for the Aztecs, he struggled mightily with his accuracy.
Still, when Cardinals head coach Ken Whisenhunt saw Lindley still available in the sixth round, he trusted not only the draft board but also his gut instinct on the potential of the young signal caller.
"This year [Lindley] lost his receivers," Whisenhunt told Arizona Sports 620's Doug & Wolf Tuesday. "He wasn't as productive this season, but he's been a productive college quarterback and he's a big guy that can move so when you come to that point in the draft and you see him on your board and he's sticking out and his measurable, his height, his size, his speed, his arm strength, they were all good."
For Whisenhunt, the opportunity to draft and cultivate a quarterback with Lindley's skills, makeup and upside was too tempting a prospect to pass up.
"Then you look at his production in that offense, it was good and then you think about the quarterback position in this league and having to try to develop young guys, that's what kind of came together and why we picked him where we did," Whisenhunt explained.
Whisenhunt is interested in getting his first glimpse of Lindley in camp over the coming weeks and monitoring the growth of his young quarterback under the watchful eye of new quarterbacks coach John McNulty.
"I am anxious to see him in here in a couple weeks in our minicamp and see where he is and see where he can progress through training camp," Whisenhunt said.
I don't think I'd ever hold a 6th round pick not working out at any position against anyone.
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I wouldn't call it "info" so much as a random, anonymous, minimally-backed opinion.
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I wasn't comparing the two. Personally i don't consider Whisenhunt much of an upgrade over Shurmur and as for him being a successful OC, counting his 3 years as OC in Pittsburgh and his time as the head coach with the Cardinals for the most part his offenses have been pretty average.
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fair enough. he deserves a bunch of blame on that one. he also deserves blame on not firing Mangini a year earlier to really kick things fully into gear from the get-go.
i still blame Randy more for this mess though. if he knew he was selling the team (all indications were that he did), then he never should have hired Holmgren in the first place. he should have stated that the GM would have the ultimate personnel decisions to attract better candidates and gone and got one while keeping Mangini as HC.
as it ended, he pretty much guaranteed a reboot every 2 years by changing regimes from Mangini to Holmgren to Haslam/Banner.
I don't think Lerner was set at that point on selling the team. I think it was a fairly quick decision. I think it became clear to Randy that when Holmgren wasn't putting the team on track is when he made the decision to sell. He didn't want to have to fire Holmgren and start anew.
Being a NFL owner is a pretty exclusive club, that while membership is limited in many ways, there are enough who want in to the club can, when someone is willing to sell and someone has the money.
The brilliant thing Haslam did was buy in as a minority owner several years ago. Go through the vetting process, meet some people, slap some backs, pick up a tab here and there and he was already half way....or 10-15% of the way in the door. Then it was just wait for a team to be on the market. It's why the NFL sort of brought the two together.
It wouldn't surprise me if Randy and Jimmy never talked about a team sale before last Dec. or Jan. Maybe later.
It was pretty seamless. It was fast.
When you sell a business, you never tell the hired help....that is basics 101.....Holmgren didn't know until maybe a few days( if that) before the rest of us did.
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Just go get Chud so he can assemble a staff and we get ahead of the game. 
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I agree that Holmgren didn't know until much, much later and that Randy and Haslam likely didn't discuss the deal until late (I think the earliest I have seen is sometime in April Haslam finding out that a nondisclosed team might be for sale).
I'm not sure when Randy decided to sell the team though. Only he knows that answer. Regardless, his handling of the situation led us to where we are today.
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I wouldn't call it "info" so much as a random, anonymous, minimally-backed opinion.
I can go much deeper, when not at work. I have been a Cardinal Fan for over 30 years and have live through many, many abyssmal seasons. It sad, but a coach like Whisenhunt is considered the greatest coach the team has ever had and he is 7 games below .500 LOL! Trust me, I was a huge Whis backer until the past 3 seasons and there is a lot that led me to view him in the manner I do.
Frist and foremost, this was the 3rd consecutive season with at least a 6 game losing streak and the problems on offense were never addressed, never improved, and acutally deteriorated each season.
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Uggghhhh.
Call me utterly unimpressed. We might as well as stayed with Shurmur.
I'm pretty sure we'll give more than one second interview.
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I agree that Holmgren didn't know until much, much later and that Randy and Haslam likely didn't discuss the deal until late (I think the earliest I have seen is sometime in April Haslam finding out that a nondisclosed team might be for sale).
I'm not sure when Randy decided to sell the team though. Only he knows that answer. Regardless, his handling of the situation led us to where we are today.
No doubt only he knows. I am just speculating with maybe a little of putting 2+2 together.
I think once last season concluded, or thereabouts, Randy knew he was done as a owner and didn't want to go through the process again.
Let the next guy make the hire.
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I love that a 10-6 team that missed the playoffs by tiebreakers
A. Fired their Coach.
B. Doesn't have people knocking down the door to coach them.
Maybe if Chicago put some effort into their Oline, and weren't getting really old on defense really quick...
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Whisenhunt also traded up to get Skelton and called his own plays as HC.
Todd Haley called plays until he was hired away by the Chiefs. So at least Whisenhunt has shown that he is willing to give up playcalling duties to the right guy.
Also, how much of a hand did Whisenhunt have in the draft (I legitimately don't know)? And can we really fault a guy for trading up in the 5th round for a guy he liked (it's not like Skelton was a first round pick)?
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We might as well as stayed with Shurmur.
Wrong. Pretty much anyone we hire will be better than Shurmur. He was the worst coach in the NFL.
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Wrong. Pretty much anyone we hire will be better than Shurmur. He was the worst coach in the NFL.
Mike, Mike Mularkey is that you?
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Wrong. Pretty much anyone we hire will be better than Shurmur. He was the worst coach in the NFL.
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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The stuff I looked up on those guys indicated he called the shots on the draft.
The point isn't the rounds the QBs were taken. The point is he is highly culpable for their embarrassing qb situation.
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Yikes. That's a tough one. I still might take Mularkey over Shurmur just because I watched the football abomination that was Pat Shurmur with my own eyes. Mularkey might be horrible, I just don't know how horrible he can be. Also, I said, "Pretty much anyone we hire will be better than Shurmur." I'm pretty sure we won't be hiring Mularkey so my tail is covered. 
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Wrong. Pretty much anyone we hire will be better than Shurmur. He was the worst coach in the NFL.
Right, Malarky was better, RAC was better also.. LOL that's almost funny.. Shurmur had the youngest team in the league and you think he was the worst.
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The point is he is highly culpable for their embarrassing qb situation.
I agree with that. I will also say that he thought, wrongly, that Kevin Kolb was going to start for him. Skelton and Lindley were taken as developmental guys and not expected to start many games as they did.
Here's where I defend Kevin Kolb ( ) . . .
Kolb's main problem was that he couldn't stay healthy. A big part of that was the embarrassingly bad offensive line. Bobby Massie, D'Anthony Batiste, and a QB made of glass do not go well together. When Kolb played he was not horrible. Here is Kolb's statline in his career for the Cardinals (14 games started, 15 games played):
6-8, 58.5% completion, 3124 yards, 17 TDs, 11 INTs, 83.2 QB rating
Not so bad, right? And Weeden/McCoy have to be at least as good as Kolb, right? RIGHT!?!?
(I guess as a Browns fan I can talk myself into anything at this point).
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Right, Malarky was better, RAC was better also.. LOL that's almost funny.. Shurmur had the youngest team in the league and you think he was the worst.
Okay, even if I was exaggerating a little bit (hypothetically). There were two other coaches worse than Shurmur. So that means he is only the third worst coach in the NFL. It is not like we are trying to replace Vince Lombardi. A league average coach will look like Bill Belichick in comparison to Shurmur.
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Search will be over by Sunday night... http://www.cantonrep.com/community/blog/...h-to-end-SundayWhat we hear about Zimmer; search to end Sunday By Steve Doerschuk This is what we here from a source we trust: Mike Zimmer’s agent was told the Browns want to talk to the 56-year-old Bengals defensive coordinator again tomorrow. Zimmer has been told the coaching search will be wrapped up by Sunday night. This didn’t come from our source, but it is our belief that it is coming down to Zimmer and Arizona head coach Ken Whisenhunt, with Bruce Arians still in the picture in a whirlwind drive toward a decision. Also, via our source: Ray Farmer, who was in the front office with Scott Pioli’s Chiefs, will be interviewed for general manager type slot tomorrow. We reported recently that Michael Lombardi is in the Browns’ fold, with only his title to be determined. We can imagine something that would be functionally along the lines of special adviser to Joe Banner. Lombardi and Farmer have known each other since they both worked for the Eagles in the late 1990s. Our source gave us Zimmer's name immediately after Pat Shurmur was released, saying Zimmer would be interviewed. You may recall the post.
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Posted that earlier, but I'm not sure if that's too rumorish or not.
Sounds promising, though.
you had a good run Hank.
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Right, Malarky was better, RAC was better also.. LOL that's almost funny.. Shurmur had the youngest team in the league and you think he was the worst.
Okay, even if I was exaggerating a little bit (hypothetically). There were two other coaches worse than Shurmur. So that means he is only the third worst coach in the NFL. It is not like we are trying to replace Vince Lombardi. A league average coach will look like Bill Belichick in comparison to Shurmur.
There were 7 coaches fired this year, Lovie smith I don't really understand, but the rest didn't have good records and they had more mature talent around them, I liked shurmur,, didn't think he was totally ready but thought he'd grow into the role.. maybe, maybe not. dunno
But of those fired (again, outside of Lovie smith) Shurmur probably was decent,, just a young team.. that stuff takes time to blend together and yeah,, tons of mistakes were made..
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and one of Pioli's cronies because of their prior relationship with the Eagles
I'm going to take a break from the Browns. Might be for the best.
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Posted that earlier, but I'm not sure if that's too rumorish or not.
Sounds promising, though.
"Also, via our source: Ray Farmer, who was in the front office with Scott Pioli’s Chiefs, will be interviewed for general manager type slot tomorrow.
We reported recently that Michael Lombardi is in the Browns’ fold,"
Goodbye promising,hello another decade of crap football
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