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You can "move on" from an ex girlfiriend BUT still be axed by her, right?
It's pretty evident how this unfolded and it was reported multiple times too
You're right it is.
The Browns had high interest in him. They thought he was going to be a great coach. They set up a second interview. He then stood them up for the second interview and then they left because they didn't want a flake as a head coach.
But no, it's because Joe Banner or the bogeyman or something, right?
I doubt we ever know the truth about it. And I'll be honest, I don't care what Kinda business you run, you don't always get your first choice (if indeed Kelly was our first choice)
I'm happy with the Chud hire so frankly, I couldn't care less.
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You can "move on" from an ex girlfiriend BUT still be axed by her, right?
It's pretty evident how this unfolded and it was reported multiple times too
Why is it so important? I'm just curious because it seems the only thing that you are arguing about is that people need to admit you are right.. when there is nothing to gain by being right.
Because it seems to me that in the course of a week, Chip Kelly had the Browns, Eagles, and Ducks all believing that's where he wanted to be and he waffled back and forth making commitments to all of them, then breaking them.... I wasn't down on getting Kelly before but I am now and it's not because of his coaching style.. so I say good riddance to him...
So if you want to believe he dumped us, if others want to believe we withdrew from consideration before he decided... who cares? I mean other than a select few folks using it to try to bolster their point that they don't like Banner, who cares?
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We interviewed several guys twice, so it is impossible to say Kelly was going to be offered the job. Only thing we can say is that we were intrigued enough to give him a 2nd interview and he no showed so we moved on. Zimmer, Whisenhunt, Trestman and Chud all received 2nd interviews as well and imho we picked the best of the lot.
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Give me 1 head coach that did not have pro experience besides Jimmy johnson that has been successful. It doesnt exist.
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added Barry Switzer on the list later (he may have won a SB w/ Jimmy's team, but he still won a SB).
so, all 3 guys that I found won a NFL championship.
and that is the list as far as I could find. i mean guys like Spurrier, Saban and Butch Davis all had pro-experience before getting a NFL HC job. what other guys are even available for this list?
i'm sure there were more in the Paul Brown days, but i don't know enough about other teams in that era.
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Give me 1 head coach that did not have pro experience besides Jimmy johnson that has been successful. It doesnt exist.
There really aren't that many if you count any level of coaching in the NFL. Tom Coughlin came over from Boston College but had taken some positional jobs in the NFL before his HC days at BC.
Spurrier and Johnson are the only two guys that come to mind that fit that criteria. No NFL experience as any type of coach, came straight from college.
I get where you are coming from though. I think most would agree you should have some experience at the NFL level, to taste the day-to-day operations of a team, because it's much different than a college program.
I believe that is what Jim Tressel did. Jim Irsay gave him a bogus position with the Colts, just so he could see what it was like. I think JT took one look and said no freaking way.
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Kelly NFL = Saban NFL?
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What better place than here?
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Saban had NFL experience, made the Dolphins more successful than they were before or after him and was voted down by ownership/medical staff on the biggest move he wanted them to make (sign Drew Brees)
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Kelly NFL = Saban NFL?
That has yet to be determined, but it's a possibility.
Saban basically admitted after the national championship that his time in Miami was a mistake, and that he's best suited for the college game. I knew he wasn't coming back after those comments. I can't believe he basically admitted that he can't do it in the nfl.
I still think Kelly can coach in the NFL. I'm of the belief that he needs to take a pro style offense, with some spread capabilities, and speed it up.
I'm not a huge believer in zone-read at the NFL level, and I'm laughing at everybody overreacting to Colin Kaepernick beating Green Bay's atrocious defense on one play. Don't tell me zone read is the new thing until zone read wins a super bowl. I've also chuckled at media people saying the traditional drop-back pocket QB will become a thing of the past. Yeah, only 3 of the 4 QB's playing this weekend are 100% traditional, drop-back pocket QB's. Durrrrrrr.
They're harder to find, but if you have one, you wouldn't trade one for the world. Those guys are less likely to get hurt as well, which won't de-rail your season.
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You can "move on" from an ex girlfiriend BUT still be axed by her, right?
It's pretty evident how this unfolded and it was reported multiple times too
You're right it is.
The Browns had high interest in him. They thought he was going to be a great coach. They set up a second interview. He then stood them up for the second interview and then they left because they didn't want a flake as a head coach.
But no, it's because Joe Banner or the bogeyman or something, right?
I doubt we ever know the truth about it. And I'll be honest, I don't care what Kinda business you run, you don't always get your first choice (if indeed Kelly was our first choice)
I'm happy with the Chud hire so frankly, I couldn't care less.
I agree, i liked watching the Ducks, will miss him in college, and i give props to Haslam for "thinking different" BUT we know what Chud can do-hell, he got Anderson to the Pro Bowl-the PRO BOWL!! He will most likely get to the Hall of Fame just for that...! Go Browns!
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added Barry Switzer on the list later (he may have won a SB w/ Jimmy's team, but he still won a SB).
so, all 3 guys that I found won a NFL championship.
I get that you made your point and technically answered the question, but when your two best examples are a guy that started coaching over 70 years ago and another guy that inherited a dream team... it's still not making a real strong case..
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added Barry Switzer on the list later (he may have won a SB w/ Jimmy's team, but he still won a SB).
so, all 3 guys that I found won a NFL championship.
I get that you made your point and technically answered the question, but when your two best examples are a guy that started coaching over 70 years ago and another guy that inherited a dream team... it's still not making a real strong case..
my other point was that there is no counter example. I couldn't find a single guy who failed given his parameters (no professional experience before NFL HC job).
i'm sure i am missing someone from back-in-the-day, but this type of hire just doesn't even happen nowadays.
and, if you take out the dream-team Switzer, then you are down to Paul Brown and Jimmy Johnson. 2 of the most successful HC's in NFL history (though JJ for only a brief time).
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aha, i did miss one guy. Dennis Erickson. he did make Seattle relevant going 8-8,7-9,8-8, 8-8 when the team was 14-34 in the 3 seasons before his arrival though.
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web page Looks like Gus Bradley is the new Jacksonville coach
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aha, i did miss one guy. Dennis Erickson. he did make Seattle relevant going 8-8,7-9,8-8, 8-8 when the team was 14-34 in the 3 seasons before his arrival though.
As bad as the Browns have been, if a guy came here for 4 years and we never got over .500, would you consider that "successful"? and then after he left we stayed around .500 for 4 more years so it's not like he was building something great and just got cut short.. and then Erickson went on to accomplish what? a few more bad years in San Fran.. no, by the power vested in me, I am not allowing you to call him successful.
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Wonder where this leaves Mel Tucker. Does he stay as Jax DC? Does his style mesh with Bradley's defensive philosophy?
How does a league celebrating its 100th season only recognize the 53 most recent championships?
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Wonder where this leaves Mel Tucker. Does he stay as Jax DC? Does his style mesh with Bradley's defensive philosophy?
If Tucker has the option and can make it work, he should stay. Bradley is given a lot of credit for finding some of the defensive talent that has made Seattle so good over the last couple years in addition to coaching them up..... he could really make Tucker look good. 
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So there are 2 spots still open, those being San Diego and Arizona, right?
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So there are 2 spots still open, those being San Diego and Arizona, right?
SD hired Mike McCoy.
Arizona is the only holdout and they are said to want Greg Roman (SF OC)
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That's right. How could I forget about McCoy? Man ... way too many openings this year.  So Arizona is the last potential seat in this year's coaching musical chairs. I know that it was reported that they just interviewed Arians and Bevell from Seattle ...... and they very may be waiting for Roman.
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here's the current list:
Cardinals - Ray Horton (DC - Arizona)? Darrell Bevell (OC - Seattle)? Bruce Arians? waiting on playoff team co-ordinator (Roman)?
everything else is filled:
Chiefs - Andy Reid
Bills - Doug Marrone
Browns - Rob Chudzinski
Bears - Marc Trestman
Chargers - Mike McCoy
Eagles - Chip Kelly
Jaguars - Gus Bradley
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It seems like everyone did a decent job filling their spots this year. The two biggest questions are Chip (college to pro transition + style, etc.) and Trestman (he deserved a HC shot, but that was 10yrs ago - does he still have it?).
Just as big of a question is who people get to fill out their staffs. Chiefs retaining much of their defense w/ Jets LBer coach as DC. Will SD retain Pagano and staff? Jags w/ Tucker? Cards w/ Horton? Almost all offensive staffs have been rooted out of most teams.
Norv and Lovie are the 2 hottest names for co-ordinators. We are reportedly getting Norv, but Lovie hasn't been linked (to anything actually other than getting a SD interview).
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So Arizona is the last potential seat in this year's coaching musical chairs.
Well, yes, that's correct, assuming Chip Kelly doesn't change his mind again LOL
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I don't think anyone wants Lovie Smith and his old fashioned defense.
Yeah... you're right. Who would want a top-5 defense in both yards and points per game. 
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I don't think anyone wants Lovie Smith and his old fashioned defense.
Yeah... you're right. Who would want a top-5 defense in both yards and points per game.
That's the product of two things,, the scheme and the players.. great scheme, lousy players mean bad D. But I get your point. Lovie is a pretty find D coach.
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Lovie Smith's Bears teams have been up and down from year to year.
Here are their rankings on defense, from 2004 to 1012, points and yards allowed:
13, 21
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16, 21
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The last 3 years, he has had Rod Marinelli as his DC. In his 1st 3 seasons, he had Ron Rivera as his DC. I think that he functioned as his own DC for 2 of the seasons in between them. (where they stunk)
The Bears had one good season on offense under Smith. (With Grossman at QB, of all things)
Other than that one year, they have been middle of the road to bad on offense.
The Bears had the following records under Lovie Smith:
5-11
11-5
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7-9
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After the year they went to the Super Bowl, the Bears went up and down every year. Every other year they were a .500 or below team.
He's a pretty average coach. I'm really not surprised that he didn't get any interviews.
Plus, the league is moving heavily to offense ..... so offensive coaches are going to see more opportunities until the pendulum swings back the other way, if it ever does. Coaches like Smith are relics.
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Point is... there's nothing "old fashioned" about a top-5 defense (particularly these days where the NFL is doing everything in it's power to make the game a higher-scoring affair). Lovie Smith built one in Chicago. His schemes. His players. 
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That's the product of two things,, the scheme and the players.. great scheme, lousy players mean bad D. But I get your point. Lovie is a pretty find D coach.
And teams that are looking for new coaches are usually doing so because they don't have the most talented players...
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Plus, the league is moving heavily to offense ..... so offensive coaches are going to see more opportunities until the pendulum swings back the other way, if it ever does. Coaches like Smith are relics.
Lovie had good teams and bad teams in Chicago. All coaches do. The ones that last however, win a Superbowl or two along the way.
Belichick is an example of that. not all his teams have been good. Parcells is another one, Holmgren is another one.
Two of those guys are Defensive oriented guys. But your point is taken, the league is leaning towards high powered offenses because it's more fun to watch. I get it.
But Lovie Smith is a solid coach. He'll get another chance..
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Lifer, It just hit me (as I sit here bored off my rear end) that your DT name could either be a tribute to your fandom or a sentence handed out by the football gods! I'm guessing it's both.  Now back to whatever the heck the topic of this thread is!
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CB... you nailed it! It is definitely both. Been more of a curse, of late, than a blessing. I've apologized NUMEROUS times to my son for passing the affliction on to him. It is what it is I suppose.
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Source Indianapolis Colts offensive coordinator Bruce Arians has agreed in principle to become the next head coach of the Arizona Cardinals, two sources informed of the team's plans told NFL.com's Ian Rapoport. The Cardinals met with Arians on Wednesday and Thursday. He was one of several candidates to replace former coach Ken Whisenhunt. Arians assumed the Colts' head-coaching duties on an interim basis this season after head coach Chuck Pagano took a leave from the team while receiving treatment for leukemia. The Cardinals' position was the final vacant NFL head-coaching job. The Buffalo Bills, Chicago Bears, Cleveland Browns, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Philadelphia Eagles and San Diego Chargers have filled their coaching positions.
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I think a couple years as OC will do him good, and if he can turn around Rivers career then he'll have another job in no time...
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Pat Shurmur expected to join Chip Kelly’s staff in Philadelphia Posted by Michael David Smith on January 20, 2013, 10:45 AM EST Getty Images Former Browns head coach Pat Shurmur is expected to join new Eagles head coach Chip Kelly’s coaching staff. Shurmur is likely to become the Eagles’ offensive coordinator, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports. Shurmur and Kelly have very different offensive backgrounds, and questions could be raised about whether their two approaches to coaching offense can mesh. But it’s also to Kelly’s credit that he wants to bring in an experienced NFL coach who does things differently than he does. Kelly has said that he wouldn’t necessarily run the same kind of spread offense in the NFL that he ran at Oregon, and hiring Shurmur as offensive coordinator would be a strong indication that he wants to employ a more conventional approach in the pros. Most of Shurmur’s NFL coaching career has been spent working for Andy Reid in Philadelphia. Shurmur was the Eagles’ tight ends coach from 1999 to 2001 and the quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2008. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/category/rumor-mill/
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Man, that seems like a complete and total mismatch.
Maybe Kelly is smarter then I thought, and wants to keep the established WCO in place ..... although Shurmur's version is less capable than Reid's, and less than impressive as far as I'm concerned. Who knows though .... maybe Kelly will get Shurmur to update his offense to this century.
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Former Browns head coach Pat Shurmur is expected to join new Eagles head coach Chip Kelly’s coaching staff.
Shurmur is likely to become the Eagles’ offensive coordinator, ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports.
Shurmur and Kelly have very different offensive backgrounds, and questions could be raised about whether their two approaches to coaching offense can mesh. But it’s also to Kelly’s credit that he wants to bring in an experienced NFL coach who does things differently than he does. Kelly has said that he wouldn’t necessarily run the same kind of spread offense in the NFL that he ran at Oregon, and hiring Shurmur as offensive coordinator would be a strong indication that he wants to employ a more conventional approach in the pros.
Most of Shurmur’s NFL coaching career has been spent working for Andy Reid in Philadelphia. Shurmur was the Eagles’ tight ends coach from 1999 to 2001 and the quarterbacks coach from 2002 to 2008.
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