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OK, Now that Chud is our new coach and in all likelihood Norv Turner is the Offensive Coordinator. Who do you think becomes the target(s) in free agency? On the offensive side of the ball it appears there could be a number of talented FA wide receivers, should he decide to build that side of the team up. Names like: Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola and Kevin Ogletree are potential FA candidates. Or at TE there is Fred Davis, Jared Cook, Heath Miller, Dustin Keller or Delanie Walker or do we retain Ben Watson? I would like to hear who you think Chud and the GM (person to named later) will be interested in. RB I would suspect he will leave alone. QB's - Jason Campbell, Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Moore or Drew Stanton none of their talents exceed what we have on the roster already. The defensive side of the ball will be very interesting depending on who he chooses as a DC and which direction the defense goes (either 4-3 or 3-4). So I'm going to leave that side of the team alone for now. Should make for a very interesting off-season. 
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OK, Now that Chud is our new coach and in all likelihood Norv Turner is the Offensive Coordinator. Who do you think becomes the target(s) in free agency? On the offensive side of the ball it appears there could be a number of talented FA wide receivers, should he decide to build that side of the team up. Names like: Greg Jennings, Mike Wallace, Dwayne Bowe, Wes Welker, Danny Amendola and Kevin Ogletree are potential FA candidates. Or at TE there is Fred Davis, Jared Cook, Heath Miller, Dustin Keller or Delanie Walker or do we retain Ben Watson? I would like to hear who you think Chud and the GM (person to named later) will be interested in.
RB I would suspect he will leave alone.
QB's - Jason Campbell, Tarvaris Jackson, Matt Moore or Drew Stanton none of their talents exceed what we have on the roster already.
The defensive side of the ball will be very interesting depending on who he chooses as a DC and which direction the defense goes (either 4-3 or 3-4). So I'm going to leave that side of the team alone for now.
Should make for a very interesting off-season.
This is a kinda fun thread.. Good idea
If you look at potential trades, I'd think they might look at Alex Smith from the 49ers.. That's about the only QB I an think of that might make them make a trade.
But honestly, I'm not sure he's any better than Weeden can be. Unless they think they can make him way better, then why bother.
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MY guess is they back the truck up to Greg Jennings, he says no, and we give a really big contract to Danny Amendola... something averaging like 6.5 per year.
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i hope if we back up the truck to a WR, it's Wes Welker
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if we do switch to a 3-4 defense, then Anthony Spencer(DAL) and Shaun Philips(SD) are likely high on the target list.
both guys are 3-4 OLB whose teams are likely switching to a 4-3 defense next year.
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I'd think they might look at Alex Smith from the 49ers.
Seriously doubt it. Not with the vertical attach Chud likes to run.
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Wouldn't the GM be the one making the moves?
I guess what I'm saying, shouldn't the question be, "Now that Chud is our HC....what would be the first move the eventual GM makes to match the HC's philosophy?"
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Aww details, details. From the presser it seemed that Chud will at least have input, that's why I jumped the gun on the GM and went right into FA. 
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Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think we have something like $47 million in cap room. Whatever it is it's a ridiculous number.
If you're a young free agent that's at the top of your position pool it's a good bet your agent's having a conversation with Cleveland.
My list of top guys who would be of significant impact here:
Dwight Freeney (IND)
Osi Umenyiora (NYG)
Michael Johnson (CIN)
Shaun Phillips (SD)
Anthony Spencer (DAL)
Connor Barwin (HOU)
Brent Grimes (ATL)
Ed Reed (BAL)
Louis Delmas (DET)
Jairus Byrd (BUF)
Dwayne Bowe (KC)
Mike Wallace (PIT)
Greg Jennings (GB)
Wes Welker (NE)
Danny Amendola (STL)
Brian Hartline (MIA)
Fred Davis (WAS)
Jared Cook (TEN)
Andy Levitre (BUF)
Shane Lechler (OAK)
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Nah, the dude is a weasel and old. If NE won't pay him and actually tried to freeze him out earlier in the year, that should tell you how much they think of him. IMO, he's the product of the NE system + Tom Brady. Don't get me wrong, the dude is good. But not good enough to pay him what his production says.
A WR can be found in the draft. If you HAVE to sign a good one in FA, make sure he's young, big and worth every cent.
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Our WRs will be fine.
It's the tight ends I'm worried about.
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Receivers will be loving Chud's scheme. Not sure how much we will look to upgrade that position.
Chud does like to run more zone blocking and it will be really intriguing to see which back studs out in that system.
TE's we have Watson and Cameron so an upgrade is likely.
QB, I say we will draft one probably bring in DA to help Weeden absorb the scheme. Colt doesnt fit.
I would say D is where we will go heavy in free agency and the draft no matter what scheme. Pass rusher, CB and safety and if we go 3-4 there will be tons of backers.
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Shaun Phillips and Dwayne Bowe jump out at me. N.Y. Giants d.e. are old if we take a flyer on them. I hope if would be a two yr contract.
If we could work a trade I would like Alex Smith. Im not sold on Weeds and the qb crop coming out this yr is underwhelming
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Nah, the dude is a weasel and old. If NE won't pay him and actually tried to freeze him out earlier in the year, that should tell you how much they think of him. IMO, he's the product of the NE system + Tom Brady. Don't get me wrong, the dude is good. But not good enough to pay him what his production says.
A WR can be found in the draft. If you HAVE to sign a good one in FA, make sure he's young, big and worth every cent.
yeah, what was I thinking. the guy has only averaged 112 receptions over the past 6 seasons and that number is dropped down by 2010 when he was injured.
and that injured season would rank 4th alltime on the Browns reception list. the other 5 seasons would be the top5 seasons in the history of the Browns.
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I actually think that our WR are going to be a really nice fit in Chud's offense. I don't think we pursue anyone at WR, at least not to play on the outside.
TE is a different story. We desperately need a couple of pass catching TE. While I would love a guy like Davis, I cannot see the Niners letting him go under any circumstances. However, that's where I would throw money if I was going to do it.
I suspect that we'll stick with what we have at QB for this year .... maybe draft a QB in the later rounds ....... however I just don't see Colt or Thad fitting this new offense. neither has the arm to power the ball down the field as Chud wants. I do think that Weeden can do so, but it depends on whether or not Chud wants to start with a 30 year old QB. He may have to for this year just because of the limitations places on any team's ability to bring players in. No one can fill every single need in a single year. If we go QB, maybe Geno Smith from WVU might be a guy to look at.
As far as free agents ...... I do think that we are almost certainly going to have to sign a TE. I am undecided as to what we're going to need on the OL in his offensive system. We might not need anything. Ogi and Jackson are both free agents at RB, if I'm not mistaken, so we might want a body there.
Our "problem" is that we have so many young players that it's hard to know who is going to develop, and who will fall flat. It looks like we might have a solid 3-4 WR already ....... 2-3 solid RB ...... a very good OL ...... 1 QB who might fit Chud's offense ..... and really no TE to attack the seam.
If I had to bet money ...... maybe try to bring home a TE or 2 in free agency ..... and maybe a veteran slot receiver and a 3rd RB.
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Alex Smith is the quarterback we deserve but not the quarterback we need. Or something. Whatever that overused Dark Knight saying is. He is talented (who gets benched while completing over 70% of his passes?) and deserves to be starting in this league, but not all talent translates. If Chud wants to move down the field, Smith is not our guy.
Names I like on the offensive side of the ball:
Delanie Walker - He would be the perfect addition to Watson and Cameron while saving the bank for other areas of the field. Sound receiver. Sound blocker. Sound special teams player. Just a really sound, likable player. Consider him a cheaper Heath Miller.
Danny Amendola - If we can get him on the cheap due to his recent injuries, he will be a sound addition and can play the Joe Jurevicius role from Chud's successful 2007 season.
I don't know how interested this regime is in retaining Josh Cribbs, but I would think Chud would come up with a few innovative ways to use him.
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the Browns need to target OG,TE,QB, WR and a 3rd down back in free agency.
the million dollar question is what kind of QB does Chudzinski and (Turner) desire for this offense?
Chudzinski had the luxury of Cam Newton. Can make plays with arm or legs.
Turner had Phillip Rivers. 2 different QBs.
There is no Antonio Gates or Greg Olsen on this roster. The Browns need a real playmaker at TE. They haven't had one since KW2.
Reggie Bush is a FA. He would a upgrade over Hardesty and Ogybonna.
what will be welcome is that Lard Bottom Holmgren won't be force feeding his
1983 WCO by the Lake anymore.
The Browns offense is actually going to look fresh and updated.
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Seriously doubt it. Not with the vertical attach Chud likes to run.
Good point, they need a big, accurate arm.. Smith is a pretty darn good game manager and that's about it.
But the premise of this thread is that the philosophy of building through the draft will actually change from the last regime.
I'm not sure what their view of FA's are. I mean, the money is there, but will they be more of a money manager or a group that gets what it needs NOW.
Myself, I've always been of the belief that you build your foundation from the draft and sprinkle in FA's at needed.
That's not to say that if you have a chance to get a game changer,, say, a Ray Lewis 10 years ago, then you don't back the truck up, but if you blow the dough, the guy has got to be really really special.
Maybe a CB that makes the difference or a WR or QB or a LB.. I doubt we find better than what we have in FA on the Oline, might find a DE that would be helpful, but if we go 3-4 we probably have enough people talent to build a Dline out of.
Gonna need some LB's if we go that way.
I'm kinda caught in the middle on this..
One side of me wants to win now so go get what you need. Spend what you gotta spend. But knowing full well that it might be a short term fix and a long term disaster. The other side of my brain says,, The foundation is here, keep building on that and add a FA or two but not really high dollar guys, again, unless they are really special.
I don't know what they plan on. I would suppose that some of that will come to light once a GM/Personnel guy is hired. The coaching hires will give us a clue as well.
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Everyone talks about the money we have yet no one mentions that we have I think 19 players hitting FA either Restricted or outright. Most of them are being paid in the 500 to 2 mil range. I think Dawson is the highest paid of them all.
Point being if you fill all those 19 spots at 1 mil avg that is around 20 mill of the 42 mil cap then you have to add in the Draft.
I just dont see these Brink trucks of money we can toss around at FA's. Yes we can get maybe a big name but do we really need one at this point in our progress?
While I dont see us signing a WR at all if we were to sign one isnt Jennings from GB a FA? CB is the only area in FA if a top flight guy was on the market I would look at. maybe safety. But OG no, DE didnt we just sign Rucker to be that guy?
QB please yeah lets pay a guy 10 mil a year to ride the pine like Flynn?
Im also equally shocked at how many people want to waste a 3rd round pick or so on a QB when Ive been beaten over the head on how much of a waste it was to draft McCoy in the 3rd round because he couldnt keep the starting job. Im not saying dont draft a QB where ever but what a sudden change of opinion based soley on a new HC.
Holmgren said he would probably draft a QB every year until they found the one. People blame him for not finding that guy in 2 picks. Many teams dont find that guy for decades.
Oh well just pretend im Pluto and writing notes off the top of my head. Feel free to comment on any of it.
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Not an offensive FA (though he does score a ton of points), but I hope one of his first moves is to keep Dawson around to retire a Brown.
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Here's what I'm thinking. I'm gonna break it down by category.
QB - (If we decide to go with someone other than Brandon Weeden)
2013 Draft:
Ryan Nassib - Syracuse
^ This is the one kid that I have my eye on for whatever reason. Do I think he's been spectacular in his college career? Not really but he's been solid/decent. If he's there for us in the 3rd Round, I wouldn't mind taking Nassib. The thing is, he could help his cause in the combine in Indy and raise his draft stock to the 1st/2nd Rounds, in which case I wouldn't take him.
Trade:
Alex Smith - 49ers
Matt Flynn - Seahawks
Kirk Cousins - Redskins (?)
Ryan Mallet - Patriots*
Kellen Moore - Lions*
* = Out of Left Field Picks
I have a question mark next to Kirk Cousins because with the aftermath of RG3's injury, the chances of the Skins trading Cousins decreases dramatically to like a 5% chance. You never know, though. Alex Smith is obviously the main guy I'd want to target to put in orange and brown. He obviously won't be with the 49ers for much longer. Chud could work with Smith well. I wouldn't mind Flynn because although he lost the QB competition to Russell Wilson, I think he could beat out Weeden in a QB competition here, and he'd be an upgrade IMO.
Ryan Mallet and Kellen Moore are out of Left Field choices to be sure, but these are gut feelings on my part. The Patriots took Ryan Mallet for a reason, as there's always a reason with Belichick. I want to see what Mallet can bring to the table, just as long as we don't trade away an arm and a leg for him.
Kellen Moore went undrafted in 2012 and that just shocked me. I would've thought he'd go in the later rounds but no one took him until the Lions signed him as a FA. For a QB who won 50 games in college and no team to draft him baffles me. The criticism is that Moore is undersized and that he doesn't have the mobility. Throw out the lack of size argument. Look at Russell Wilson. I generally liked what I saw from Kellen when he played at Boise State. Moore could be had at a low price in a trade which is always the hope.
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Alex Smith doesn't fit Chud's Vertical Passing style, had we stuck with Pat and the WCO he MAY have been an option, I expect him to be in KC next year possibly (unless they go the Geno Smith route)...
Mallet IMO is just a younger (now less experienced) version of Weeden, and if that's the case, might as well stick with the guy we already have...
Kellen Moore will never be a consistent starting NFL QB. He may get a start some day, he's a smart kid, ala Ken Dorsey, but just like Dorsey, another guy who won a bunch of games, he has the throwing arm of a 5 year old... It looks nice when your chucking it depp and Titus Young is running under it against Nevada, but just like McCoy, Kellen (whos arm is WORSE than McCoy) just won't cut it in the NFL...
I think Weeden is the unquestioned starter next year. We may grab a QB in rounds 4-7 though...
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I'm thinking we will be bringing in a WR opposite Gordon if Little goes to the slot. I think we keep Benjamin also, Not sure what they will do with Massaqouai ,Cooper,Cribbs and Norwood, but I am guessing they keep Cribbs(kick return ability) and maybe Cooper( Weeden may lobby for him).A guy like Mike Wallace seems intriguing.
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My money is on CB Captain Munnerlyn, a Panthers FA. Always liked the guy since he was a prospect, gotta love the name but he was a standout at S.Carolina too, All-1st team SEC selection and all, but fell to the 7th round, because of size (happens every draft: this draft it was CB Leonard Johnson from Iowa St. who was a UDFA steal for TB). Started 25 games the past 2 season and is a good no2/slot guy. Definitely would be an upgrade to Skrine. 4 years in the league and still just 24yo and about to hit his prime years. Returned both his INTs to TDs this season....looks like a value signing to me and Chud knows him. Go for the CAPTAIN !!  Kerry Rhodes is also a FA. Zona had a pretty good D and Rhodes was and still is a very solid FS, very durable and consistent. At 30yo, he's looking for his last big payday, so there's some risk, but could be a viable stop gap solution for FS Another CB FA I'd look at is A.Cason. He probably will be one of the top rated CBs and FAs overall, but if we're in spending mode: here's a guy to throw it to. Haden-Cason-Munnerlyn-Skrine would be a tough to beat Dime package. And yeah, if we can land my man C.Barwin for OLB, it would lessen the blow of a system switch A LOT. I also expect us to look at Ronnie Brown for 3rd down back. Guy's still solid and Norv trusts him. Another guy Norv should be familiar with is G T.Green. He knows the scheme and would be a solid addition For OT depth, a guy like Will Svitek coming off an IR season would be an upgrade to Cousins....another possibility and fine story would be Geoffrey Schwartz, Mitchell's brother. He was a backup for the Vikes last season and has some starting experience. Roland, Polumbus, Trueblood, R.Harris, Dunlap...plenty of RT-only backup OT guys that should be upgrades to Cousins. Another very under-the-radar and probably cheap OT would be A.Gardner who was a backup for a strong HOU OL. Ok, I drafted him in one of my mocks in round 7 and was high on him and he's still in the league on a strong roster, so there's something.
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Well first of all, your assuming we'll resign all our FA's. I don't think we will.
And I'm thinking a little clearer this morning,, (busy day and it tired me out yesterday) and I believe, based on Haslams base line beliefs that he's expressed that he wants a long term winner, not a one hit wonder, so I doubt that he'll back the truck up for anyone unless he's special and a particular need for the Browns.
So, FA signings we'll probably continue along the lines we've been following. Just a guess but remember, Haslams only experience in the NFL came from the Steelers who have that belief system in place.
The only exception I see as possible is if they feel Weeden, McCoy and Lewis can't be the guy. I don't know who'd they'd go after, but I think they would try for what they feel they need. Again, only if they don't feel good about the three we have.
I really have a funny feeling that 6 is as low as we'll pick in a long time unless we do some trading up, damn, I hope I"m right about that.
CB and LB (important if we go 4-3) are possible in FA. But I get the feeling we're talking people from the draft for those roles... or at least some.
I don't think there is a QB worthy at 6 in this draft is there. I don't see anyone.. But I'm no college guru so take that for what it's worth.
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I agree with Adam - the first FA move should be to lock up Phil Dawson for the remainder of his career. After that, I think we need help at TE and OG. Hard to talk about defensive FA's until we know the scheme, except either way we should be looking at CB and FS.
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I would like to see us stick with the 4-3, draft Jarvis Jones, Werner or some other defensive beast and use free agency to acquire one good run blocking guard and maybe a DB (either CB or S).
I want to give Weeden a year with Chud, and I hope and pray that Chud can look at Jordan Cameron and see things Shurmur did not. I would rather not sign a new TE. I think our WRs might be just fine, though we might keep our eyes open in the draft. But Gordon's a No. 1, Little can play, Benjamin give us the deep threat and Cooper could be a poor man's Welker in the slot. Factor in their youth and development under Chud, and it isn't such a bad group.
Since we have no No. 2 pick, we cannot be wasting a No. 3 on a QB who can't even help us next year. Maybe I'd see it differently if a Glennon type fell. I'd rather sign an older veteran who isn't a jackass and will know his role here. A Hasselbeck type.
Final thought on QBs: Perhaps Chud has some insight into Jimmy Claussen. It's no knock on him that he never got a chance carrying the clipboard for Newton. But he has a pedigree and Chud would know whether he is good or he sucks.
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Did Clausen get a chance to start in Carolina? I was under the impression that Carolina drafted Newton in part because Clausen didn't pan out,But you are right,Chud would know.
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You obviously missed the title of the thread: Chud's first Offensive FA Move
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Clausen started 10 games in 2010. He was BradyQuinnTacular ....... throwing 3 TD and 9 INT, while completing 52.5% of his passes, and averaging 5.2 yards/pass attempt ....... forever cementing his legacy as a bum. Gotta love those Notre Dame QBs, huh?  
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Clausen started 10 games in 2010. He was BradyQuinnTacular ....... throwing 3 TD and 9 INT, while completing 52.5% of his passes, and averaging 5.2 yards/pass attempt ....... forever cementing his legacy as a bum. Gotta love those Notre Dame QBs, huh?
Still living off Joe Montana's legacy. 
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Alex Smith doesn't fit Chud's Vertical Passing style, had we stuck with Pat and the WCO he MAY have been an option, I expect him to be in KC next year possibly (unless they go the Geno Smith route)...
Mallet IMO is just a younger (now less experienced) version of Weeden, and if that's the case, might as well stick with the guy we already have...
Kellen Moore will never be a consistent starting NFL QB. He may get a start some day, he's a smart kid, ala Ken Dorsey, but just like Dorsey, another guy who won a bunch of games, he has the throwing arm of a 5 year old... It looks nice when your chucking it depp and Titus Young is running under it against Nevada, but just like McCoy, Kellen (whos arm is WORSE than McCoy) just won't cut it in the NFL...
I think Weeden is the unquestioned starter next year. We may grab a QB in rounds 4-7 though...
I think you're being incredibly harsh on K. Moore. You act as if he'll never develop that arm through conditioning. I never said that he had a cannon for an arm but to instantly dismiss him and say that he can't cut it in the NFL in any way feels a bit wrong. We agree to disagree. It's not the first time that people threw bricks at my ideas.
I noticed you didn't comment on Ryan Nassib. Any thoughts on him? If he's there in the 3rd Round, I wouldn't mind taking him. Any round higher and I'll easily say no.
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Kellen Moore is a left handed Ken Dorsey.
Only saw a little of Nassib but what I did see did not impress me.
For a 3rd/4th round guy, I like what I have seen from Zac Dysert Miami OH.
Some people are suggesting Glennon on round 3. But I would bet he goes in round 1.
Landry and Manuel look like fools gold to me. They are big and athletic with a strong arms but just cannot get it done. Whether it is accuracy or panic I am not sure but I want nothing to do with them (And Manuel was at the top of my list entering the season).
I would go with Weeden and Lewis this year (+/- a cheap veteran). If Weeden shows his worth we continue on with him. If not we mortgage our future for Teddy Bridgewater who would easily be the #1 overall pick in this draft if he was in it.
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Did Clausen get a chance to start in Carolina? I was under the impression that Carolina drafted Newton in part because Clausen didn't pan out,But you are right,Chud would know.
The best thing Clausen did for the Panthers was suck so badly that they got the first overall draft pick and took Cam.
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if you go with Weeden another year and the Browns don't reach even .500 what is accomplished?
I just don't envision Weeden as a franchise QB or long term answer.
at 30 years old his ceiling my be reached.
there was only one team around the 2012 Draft that envisioned Weeden as a starter and that was the Browns.
Thad Lewis came in cold off the practice squad vs the Steelers and didn't play any worse than Weeden. that speaks volumes.
the Browns franchise QB isn't on this roster now.
Weeden doesn't have the smarts or confidence to be a franchise QB.
Chud just left a franchise that has a QB who has all these tangibles that Weeden doesn't have.
Chud might be looking for a Cam Newton 2.0 at some point.
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if you go with Weeden another year and the Browns don't reach even .500 what is accomplished?
I just don't envision Weeden as a franchise QB or long term answer.
at 30 years old his ceiling my be reached.
there was only one team around the 2012 Draft that envisioned Weeden as a starter and that was the Browns.
Thad Lewis came in cold off the practice squad vs the Steelers and didn't play any worse than Weeden. that speaks volumes.
the Browns franchise QB isn't on this roster now.
Weeden doesn't have the smarts or confidence to be a franchise QB.
Chud just left a franchise that has a QB who has all these tangibles that Weeden doesn't have.
Chud might be looking for a Cam Newton 2.0 at some point.
While I dont disagree Chud could be looking for a better QB I think you are selling Weeden short for being a rookie QB. Weeden is a far cry from a bust atm and no one really knows what his ceiling is yet.
Kosar looked as inept as any QB as a rookie but he turned out ok. I want to add the only reason Weeden looked to me like he lost his confidence was because of Shurmur. I'll trust the coach to make the choice of if hes a worthy starter or not.
I have no real way of knowing this but I think if Chud sticks with Weeden he will take the handcuffs off and turn the gunslinger loose for better or worse. 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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