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Who WILL be the QB?
We've added another piece to the puzzle with Lombardi. He was on record as not being a fan of Weeden. Now that he's on-board, only a true dope would believe his story that you evaluate him differently from an executive's standpoint compared to a media talking-head standpoint.
That, folks, is called media-spin, and he's playing that hand for all it's worth.
Everyone with an ounce of sense understands he was in the works with Banner for months. Hell, it may have even been an understood thing before he ever left the Eagles that when Joe landed with a new organization he'd try to get Dumbardi into the fold. Yet after all this time, several months of knowing he was going to be on the Browns executive committee, he now wants us to believe that he hasn't had time to study Weeden?
Well, there are suckers born every minute.
In most instances throughout history, when a new regime comes in, the very first thing they are asked about is the QB. The responses are predictable, and fall in one of two ways:
A) "We know what Player-X can do and we know he's going to be our QB going forward."
B) "We really haven't had time to evaluate Player-X so it would be unfair to comment without really spending the kind of time required to paint the most accurate picture of him."
The third answer..."We don't believe in the guy so he's going to be toast"...doesn't exist, at least not in terms of public statements.
So at best, they are cool on Weeden and are looking at options. At worst he's dead and doesn't even know it. With that being the case, we sure as Hell better familiarize ourselves with all the options out there.
Before I continue, I'm still of the mind that I'm not quite ready to dump Weeds yet. While they are completely different QB's, he and McCoy are identical in one specific way: Neither guy was ever going to get a 3rd year without really making big strides in their 1st or 2nd year's. In McCoy's case, he lacked all the physical tools your typical NFL starter has, so he was going to have to show elite mental acuity and uncanny accuracy to become a starter. In Weeden's case, while he has all the tools, he is going to have to make huge leaps quickly because of his age. Nobody is going to invest more time into a 31-year old QB unless he's made big strides. He wasn't a bum as a rookie, but he did fail to make the kinds of developmental strides that a mature rookie has to make. I'd like him to get at least the first half of this next year to show he's figuring it out, but beyond that, you don't throw good money at bad. Cut bait and run.
It's not a given Weeds is gone, but it is a very serious possibility. Might as well look at all the contenders...
With Kaepernick blowing up and leading his team to the Super Bowl, that leaves Alex Smith as the odd man out. Is it possible that the Niners somehow elect to keep him as a $9 million dollar backup? In a league where it's important to have a solid backup, it's possible, but highly unlikely. His stock is never going to be higher, and if he's rotting on the bench, his value will just go down. What we know about Smith is that he had a game-managers version of a breakout year in 2011, throwing for 17 TD's, only 5 INT's, a decent 7.07 yards per attempt with a solid 90 rating. Those aren't great numbers, but they are very efficient numbers. He has wheels, but they are McCoy wheels, not Vick or Wilson wheels.
His 2012 season really set his bar beyond that of just a game-manager. No "game-manager" completes 70% of his passes, has a 104 rating, and ranks in the top-5 in the league in yards-per-attempt. There has never been a guy with that label who put up numbers like what Smith did in 10 games. Ever. He's clearly going to be the #1 pro on everyone's radar, as he's not at all the kind of guy a team gets a crack at in most seasons. Harbaugh has the luxury of having picked a guy in the 2nd round who exceeded everyone's wildest dreams, and just so happens to come at a FAR reduced price. Kaepernick's rise isn't just about ability but about economics as well.
Smith's 104 rating would have put him 3rd in the NFL. His yards per attempt 4th. His completion rate 1st. So on and so forth. And while it may seem that he's been in the league forever, Alex Smith is only 28. He'll be 29 for the start of camp. Being that he's reached his prime, it can be assumed that barring a freak injury, Smith is going to have 3-5 prime years left. That's a guy worth trading for.
It's safe to say that Alex Smith will have a host of suitors, especially in a rather weak QB draft class. More on those guys in a moment.
So what other NFL QB's are out there that may be viewed as a team's potential starter? The list is rather unattractive if you're looking for a long-term starter...
Flacco was never going to be allowed to walk, especially now that he's piloted his team past the Pats and into the Super Bowl.
The curious story of Matt Flynn. Nobody to somebody back to nobody, but soon to be back to somebody. Sheesh. He didn't wow anyone in Seattle, allowing Wilson to take the job. Now he's going to be on his way out, as some team may try to tab him as the next WCO QB in an effort to fix their problems. It's amazing how a guy can get rich off of one career game. He's going to be 28 this year, and really will continue to be a guy that needs some coaching and development. He's going to be a hot name, but the best he can hope for is to compete for a starting gig.
Jason Campbell might be a short-term solution, but he's no long-term guy, not at this stage of his career where he's now 31. From 2008 through 2011 he had four mid-80's ratings on bad teams. That makes him an excellent backup and spot-starter, but he's a system QB who needs people around him to be better. He can't carry a team on his own.
Ryan Fitzpatrick was given a big deal based on a very small sample of production, and the Bills look like fools for doing it. Fitzpatrick looks like an excellent backup/spot-starter, but his career-year in terms of rating (83) isn't going to excite many teams. There is some value to bringing him to your organization as a respected backup and Harvard-educated smart-guy, but at age 30, 6'2 225 with questionable abilities, his days as a starter are probably over.
Kevin Kolb may get another crack at the job in 'Zona, but then again he's on this list because he may not. He's played behind a terrible line and got killed by the injury bug, but his stock was high enough and the excuses plentiful enough to buy him more time...maybe. His job security may have been better had Andy Reid gotten the job, but because of that relationship, it's possible KC becomes his one last chance to be a starter. He would stand a greater chance of staying if he restructures his deal, where he's slated to make a whopping $11 million this year. He's never played anything remotely close to an entire season, and at the age of what will be 29 when camps open he's still living an NFL life based on potential.
Colt McCoy isn't going to get any love from the new regime in Cleveland. Any chance he had to take the job from Weeden went into the ground along with the worm-burners he was throwing out there against the Steelers as he defiantly throw away passes to give the players rest. The upside with McCoy is that he's young and be it true or otherwise he may get some benefit of the doubt because he didn't get much help with the line in 2011. However, the tape on McCoy is going to show a future backup, not a starter. He's the guy that a desperate team brings in to compete against their out-going failed first round pick...just like a Gabbert or Sanchez, except a milk-toast guy like McCoy would never play in NY.
So what about Sanchez? Plain and simple, the Jets went with upside instead of film when they drafted him. In 4 seasons he's never sniffed a 60% completion rate, nor an 80 rating. He has 1 more INT than TD's, which in today's NFL is appalling. He shows a propensity for missing his strike zone badly and losing his composure when he needs it the most. After 4 seasons, Sanchez is a bust, and there's very little sentiment in league circles that he's a good player in a bad situation. But some team may take a flyer on him just in case their starter goes down due to his age.
Matt Moore is younger than Campbell, and at age 28 still has some time left in the league. He isn't going to get any more looks with Tannehill entrenched as the long-term guy, so it's possible he'll find work elsewhere. But is he a guy that teams are going to view as a starter? In 13 games in 2011 he had an 87 rating on an iffy team, but he isn't viewed as the answer by anyone.
Tarvaris Jackson isn't going to be viewed as a potential starter, but he is very mobile and may be granted a longer career due to his mobility, thanks to the current trend of read-option QB's. At age 28 he got his one real shot in Seattle, where he played in 15 games, threw for 3100 yards, and mustered a 79 rating. That's solid backup material, but not a front-line guy who will be 30 this year.
Chad Henne had a crack to win the Dolphins job, failed, and was sent packing. He was given a second lease on NFL-starters life by landing as an insurance policy for the Jaguars. Henne had an actual chance to win the job from the bust that is Gabbert, but could only muster a 72 rating. His only redeeming quality is that...nevermind... he has no redeeming qualities. He's a professional backup who may only be in the league a short time longer, as he'll be 28 in 2013.
Matt Cassel may still get to keep his gig in KC, but only by default if nobody else is out there. The Chiefs have a mauling offensive line, but are atrocious at pass-blocking. Cassel was fools-gold for KC, which is even more unforgivable since Pioli brought him over from New England. However, the money is on Cassel leaving, and wherever he lands, it'll most likely be as a backup. He did have one strong season in 2010 with 27 TD's 7 INT's and a 93 rating, but he's gone backwards badly over the last two seasons. At age 30, he won't be viewed as a long-term answer.
Ryan Mallet. That name is going to make people grate their teeth. He's all upside and tools and no NFL production. He's also a known character risk, as he's not the most team-friendly guy out there. Lombardi being here has ignited those rumor's. Any team trading for a Pats QB should head the warning "buyer beware."
Beyond that, we're really picking through the leftovers.
The only other options are in the college ranks, where the talks of Chip Kelly made the fans look at Geno Smith and his escape-ability, but he's not in the same mold as Griffin or even Wilson. Smith doesn't have any elite tools, just solid one's. He's a spread QB who will come to the NFL with alot to learn if he's going to take snaps from under center, and his size will be a question. He should be the first...and only...QB to go in the first round IMHO, and that not until the back-end.
Matt Barkley will have a lifetime to appreciate the extra year he stayed in college. Too bad his checkbook won't look back at the time quite so fondly. He was over-hyped in 2011, as his arm and athletic ability were overrated. In 2012, those deficiencies were exposed. I personally felt last year that he was a 2nd round QB, and feel no differently this year. Too many QB's look like God's at USC, and Barkley is in the same mold. His upside is limited to what he can do with the players around him. They'll take him as far as he can go, not the other way around.
Ryan Nassib came out of nowhere and may get a look in the 1st round, but that'd be the "Jake Locker effect" working: All tools, less film. I've gone and watched several of his games, and while he has talent, he's not ready to come into the league and start. He's another shotgun-spread guy who took the vast majority of his throws from the 'gun. His accuracy is good but it's not elite, especially with throws well down the field, where his curve went downhill quickly. He also needs to learn to protect the ball better at the next level. That issue stems from his maverick on-field personality, where he'll throw it anywhere at any time. He wants to make plays regardless of the risk. When I see Nassib play, I immediately think he's this generations Jeff Garcia. He's not the tallest guy, as he may come in a shade under 6'2, but he's more compactly build like Jake Locker. He's also got very live feet for the position, and has a quick release, even though he retains a Garcia-like body-throw motion, where he uses his entire body to drive energy up through his throws. I think a team that gets him in the 2nd or 3rd round is being smart. A 1st is a big risk on him and wouldn't do him any favors, as that'd make people want to start him right away.
Tyler Wilson is yet another of these spread-option QB's whose numbers look great on paper but he's lacking when it comes to projecting to the NFL. He's listed at 6'3 in some places but I'm betting he comes in under that. Further complicating matters is his release, which is 3/4 most of the time, and dropping nearly all the way to sidearm at others. He does have a quick release, but he's a long-strider when getting his feet under him, and in the NFL, he won't have the time that he did at Arkansas. He has enough arm, but it's not elite, and on his strongest throws he really drove through the ball. He has some good escapability, though, and appears to me that he'll be a better gamer than his skill-set would suggest. He's another one of these guys that could go in the 2nd, or fall down to the 4th. Many of these spread guys will have their stock set based on measurables, and we won't know that stuff until the combine.
When it comes to Mike Glennon, I'm going against Kiper on this one. He's supposedly 6'6, but to my eye he looks like a bad 6'6. It's even worse if he's shorter, as he moves as if he's much taller. Kiper has hinted that he's in the Matt Ryan mold. I think Kiper has been smoking some bad granola before watching Glennon play. One might think that height would be a great asset, but in his case his body is too big to be fluid. He's rather slow and clunky, and has poor mechanics for a "pure passer." Too often in the replays I've watched he's rocking backwards with his shoulders which causes his accuracy issues. He fails to step into his throws far too often, and relies upon nothing but arm to get some of his throws home. That's usually a product of having a big arm, which he has. Sadly, I may be biased here because when I see Glennon throw, I see alot of Derek Anderson in him. If a team is patient, they may draft him in the 3rd and get an eventual starter down the line, but he doesn't inspire me. I think a 2nd rounder is a reach with Glennon.
Landry Jones has been a big name for a while, but has under-performed at critical moments, which leaves people wondering if he's got enough game to make it in the NFL. He certainly has all the measurables, but people are beginning to realize that the college spread makes average QB's look great. Jones looks great when given time and has open windows, but tends to fold under the pressure of the moment. He looks rather robotic with his mechanics and throws, and isn't known as a clutch performer. He is tall enough but isn't built thick like Luck or Roethlisberger. Some team may watch him in the Underwear Olympics and decide that he's worth a high 2nd rounder, but he's probably a 3rd round guy to me.
From there, we're talking about various guys that don't stand much chance of being drafted very high, at least at this point in the process. Some guy may make some big strides but don't bet on it. And I'm sure there's a name I've left out of there.
So if the braintrust isn't in love with Weeden, which direction do they go?
By now we know Haslam and Banner didn't come here to wade gently into the waters. They have taken this run-of-the-mill daily-driver car and have put it into the shop for all the bells and whistles money can buy, trying to turn it into a show-car. They don't intend on drafting some 4th round guy to compete with Weeden. I think they either press forward with him, or go out and get an NFL guy. The only real "big splash" guy out there is going to be Alex Smith, and though I wouldn't encourage Banner to send a big pick to the Niners for him, I think he's probably the top guy on their radar if they choose to go away from Weeds.
There is no NFL QB who will be available who has back-to-back years of success like Smith did, not even close, and Norv Turner is familiar with him, which would give the Browns some greater insight regarding the potential risk. Since McCoy isn't in our plans, I could see him as trade-bait, and unlike most other backup QB's in the league, he's young enough to have some potential value.
There just isn't that much out there at this moment if the Browns decide to walk away from Weeden. I'd rather we stick with him. However, the silence of the Browns regarding Weeds is rather deafening, so change could be coming. The safest bet in a questionable bunch is Alex Smith. So who would you choose if Weeden was shown the door?
***Gordon, I really didn't think you could be this stOOpid, but you exceeded my expectations. Wussy.
Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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In the end I don't really like any of the options, so for that reason I'd stick with Weeden another season.
Lombardi, Haslam etc. have talked about building a team. Good stuff, I agree with that. I also agree a qb is maybe the #1 part. The hard part is finding one and then getting one.
To me, tossing away picks for some level of upgrade over Weeden to still have a guy you are going to replace is foolhardy.
As a side note, of the college guys, I'd take Tyler Bray over any of the others.
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Well done, Toad. So I think what might make sense is to stick with Weeden but draft another QB in the third round - if there's a legit prospect left.
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Kind of where I am thinking on Bray.
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Unfortuantely since Lombardo is in the fold we don't know whats gonna happen.Until Chud speaks we don't know.
He might want to keep BW figuring he can work with him,or he might want a more mobile QB.
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Unfortuantely since Lombardo is in the fold we don't know whats gonna happen.Until Chud speaks we don't know.
He might want to keep BW figuring he can work with him,or he might want a more mobile QB.
Well, I actually think that Weeden is a better QB than DA and look at the year that DA had under Chud. That's not to say they won't make a strong effort to find someone better. Actually, they should always do that. I have little doubt that Belichick is looking for someone better than Brady...
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It better not be Mallett..I watched him at Arkansas and he reminds me of DA..does the same stupid things ..throwing into double/triple coverage..struggles with presnap reads,etc..
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It better not be Mallett..I watched him at Arkansas and he reminds me of DA..does the same stupid things ..throwing into double/triple coverage..struggles with presnap reads,etc..
Who knows. Maybe that guy that Peen mentioned in the 3rd or 4th. But I can almost guarantee that McCoy will be dealt or cut. He doesn't fit into the "going downfield" kinda game Chud says he wants. I mean, he's mobile and has a huge heart, but I don't think that's enough to do what Chud wants.
I actually see Lewis being a better back up to Weeden at this point. Who knows what they'll find. hey,, maybe we find another Tom Brady at the bottom of the draft LOL Don't laugh, it can happen....
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Daman the whole thing comes down to Lombardi..this guy and Banner evaluating players may mean that the Borwns miss out on some solid upgrades because that clown is in the fold and playing GM..he's been a failure and plucked in front of NFLN for 5 years because he sucked at playing GM for the last 15 years.
I'm just shaking my head...I almost don't even want to talk draft because I know it isn't going to go the way it should.
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Daman the whole thing comes down to Lombardi..this guy and Banner evaluating players may mean that the Borwns miss out on some solid upgrades because that clown is in the fold and playing GM..he's been a failure and plucked in front of NFLN for 5 years because he sucked at playing GM for the last 15 years.
I'm just shaking my head...I almost don't even want to talk draft because I know it isn't going to go the way it should.
Honestly, I think you are worried for nothing. Let me try and explain why I feel this way.
I see where Chud and Turner will have ultimate Yes/No on any offensive selection and Chud and Horton will have ultimate Yes/No on an Defensive selection.
Same for FA pickups and any trades that may take place.
I do believe that Lombardis job will be to bring players to light, offer his opinion and that of his scouting staff up for debate and then do the leg work to carry out whatever decision was made.
The way that Lombardi can hurt us is hiding information about players. for instance, let's say another Josh Gordon hits his radar and he decided to keep it to himself and not let Chud or Turner know. (I do think that would be hard to accomplish because it would most likely be a scout that finds this person and it will no doubt be brought out in a forum with Chud/Turner/Horton in the room)
But that and him screwing up negotiations with FA's and Trades are about it.
I don't think/believe that Lombardi will get the chance or the real power to derail this train.
Also, I do believe Lombardi when he says that he had to look at things differently while in the media. he said it was for one reason but the reason he gave (which was about as clear as mud) was a flat out lie IMO.
The reason he gave hyped and spun reports on picks and players and teams and coaches while in the media is because it sells. That's what he had to do to sell in the media. They always needed to smell blood in the water. And if there wasn't any there, they had to stick some in.
So, I believe he did what he did not out of a sense of right or wrong, but more out of a need to sell his product.
Lombardi only will scare me if Haslam and Banner begin believe him over their coaching staff. Then, I'm right there with you.
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I do believe that Lombardis job will be to bring players to light, offer his opinion and that of his scouting staff up for debate and then do the leg work to carry out whatever decision was made.
The way that Lombardi can hurt us is hiding information about players. for instance, let's say another Josh Gordon hits his radar and he decided to keep it to himself and not let Chud or Turner know. (I do think that would be hard to accomplish because it would most likely be a scout that finds this person and it will no doubt be brought out in a forum with Chud/Turner/Horton in the room)
U know what will happen?
First thing in play in ML evaluation skills. they suck.
So players he recommends likely will be o.k'd by Banner, which means we're not getting the best players we can.. So you're screwed there.
Next in your other senero ML can easily bash/block the suggestions of the scouts and then recommend his own choices.
I don't trust him at all looking at players.
Also, I do believe Lombardi when he says that he had to look at things differently while in the media. he said it was for one reason but the reason he gave (which was about as clear as mud) was a flat out lie IMO.
Really???
If you're good at talent evaluation,you're good regardless of where you employed at.
His work in the media has been as abymissal as his work as a GM so tell me how thats gonna make a difference?
And of course he had to say that, he had the media firing salvos at him about his comments on the Browns draft.
He looked like a worm trying to scuttle off the hook looking at a hungry tuna waiting to gulp him up.
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The elephant in the room question with Alex Smith of course is what will it take to get him?
He will be put up for auction to the highest bidder. The bidding could be fierce.
Another guy the QB equation is Vick.
Teams looking for a QB and when they draft:
KC - 1st
Jax - 2nd
Oak - 3rd
Philly ? - 4th
Cle - 6th
Ari - 7th
Buf- 8th
Jets- 9th
Pitt- 17th (GM said they may draft a QB in the first round)
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One thing I would like to add in regard to college quarterbacks. The stats a college quarterback accumulates are not allows a clear indication of what to expect at the NFL level. That door swings both ways. Some numbers are inflated by the team and talent around the quarterback ( see Matt Leinert ). Some guys played on bad teams with little talent around them. (Flacco played at a small school).
A good talent evaluator can see through bad OL and poor receivers. They can project coaching and envision what the guy will look like with good coaching and some talent around them.
My opinion on Tyler Wilson is: He is gem waiting to be polished.
The Petrino scandal and the team around Wilson soured his senior year. Wilson is a tough minded leader. I watched this guy stand and take hits. Deliver strikes that receivers dropped. Showed good escapability. He has a quick release with good snap on the ball. Was able to deliver the ball from different arm slots, and above all he was accurate with the ball. His completion percentage did reflect his true accuracy.
I truly believe that Tyler Wilson will be a very good professional quarterback.
My hope is the Browns take advantage of the misconceptions. Trade down to late in the first acquire more picks including a second rounder and select Wilson where they can get him at the right value.
Then the Browns will have the luxury to evaluate who should start next year and not be the position to force things.
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I think Alex Smith has struggled in too many other offenses, all of which were not build a mammoth line and pound the rock, to succeed here.
I did see La Canfora speaking on how the Browns or Zona may be interested in Vick. I wanted to reach through my TV and strangle him.
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I do believe that Lombardis job will be to bring players to light, offer his opinion and that of his scouting staff up for debate and then do the leg work to carry out whatever decision was made.
The way that Lombardi can hurt us is hiding information about players. for instance, let's say another Josh Gordon hits his radar and he decided to keep it to himself and not let Chud or Turner know. (I do think that would be hard to accomplish because it would most likely be a scout that finds this person and it will no doubt be brought out in a forum with Chud/Turner/Horton in the room)
U know what will happen?
First thing in play in ML evaluation skills. they suck.
So players he recommends likely will be o.k'd by Banner, which means we're not getting the best players we can.. So you're screwed there.
Next in your other senero ML can easily bash/block the suggestions of the scouts and then recommend his own choices.
I don't trust him at all looking at players.
Oh I'm in agreement 100% with you that he can't be trusted to look at players. That's why you have scouts out there. I am thinking/believing that he just won't have final say and neither will Banner. According to Banner if they can't reach a concensus, they pass on the player. the problem with that is, if Chud and Turner want someone, it could cause a stalemate on that player and we could lose him. That's where I think Haslam comes in.I think he sides with his coaches everytime when it comes to talent. But in matters of business, he'll lean on Banner more.,
Of course, that's JMO and really doesn't prove or mean a thing.
Also, I do believe Lombardi when he says that he had to look at things differently while in the media. he said it was for one reason but the reason he gave (which was about as clear as mud) was a flat out lie IMO.
Really???
If you're good at talent evaluation,you're good regardless of where you employed at.
His work in the media has been as abymissal as his work as a GM so tell me how thats gonna make a difference?
And of course he had to say that, he had the media firing salvos at him about his comments on the Browns draft.
He looked like a worm trying to scuttle off the hook looking at a hungry tuna waiting to gulp him up.
Yeah, Really. You totally missed my point there didn't ya. No, I don't believe that Lombardi knows good from bad, talent from no talent. But here's how you get ratings in the media,, you stir things up. you whip them up to a frenzy, get people all ticked off. That's what he had to do to do his job in the Media.
So what he did while in the media, I think has to, within reason, be taken with a grain of salt.
What knowing or thinking that doesn't do, is eliminate what his actual work looked like in the places where he was a personnel man. he's just not done a good job,
I can only attribute this hire to him being a friend of Banners. otherwise, it just doesn't make a lick of sense.
I know you think we don't agree, but overall we do. neither of us trust Lombardi at all. You think he'll have more power than I do,.
you also don't agree with me about the media hype machine he had to subscribe to in order to get ratings. But I believe it.
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But here's how you get ratings in the media,, you stir things up. you whip them up to a frenzy, get people all ticked off. That's what he had to do to do his job in the Media.
That soesn't concern me or interest me.
He's in the Browns fold.
That concerns me.
And yes he got this job from Banner. Thats the whole thing.
But he's a sham..no other way for me to say it.
You think he'll have more power than I do,.
I know that due to who hired him and the fact he rammed his glowing recommendations to everyone.
Even though he has to answer to Banner, who else is going to present players to Mr.Banner?
ML..so he welds more influence that you want to believe..and here's the in for him... if the selections don't work who's the first to get the blame?
Not him..the scouts...or Chud for not coaching them right.
The only person that can take him to task is Haslam and he is sold on him.
you also don't agree with me about the media hype machine he had to subscribe to in order to get ratings. But I believe it.
Sigh..it's not something I care about because I never cared about him since he left Cleveland..he's a joke to me.The fact he knows agents and so on and sometimes has been able to steer players to his network of listeners is wasted on me.
He plays that he knows more or knows better what other analist do is a stage performance worthy of a award..because his ex-collegues on NFLN are way better than him.
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Just because you don't care about something, doesn't make it so.
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No not always but I haven't been very far off the mark when I comment about issues over the years .This mess is another in a along line of possible failures of this team.
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This mess is another in a along line of possible failures of this team.
Every draft pick, every coaching change, every GM hire, every play call is a possible failure..
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Lombardi is a sure fire failure. Not a possible failure he has proved it time and time again.
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I am guessing you are basing your opinion on Lombardi's past stops as a front office executive.
In actuality many of the teams he was with had some pretty good success. He was the Browns Director of Player Personnel starting in 1992 until 1995. He was 30-34 during that time span. *Excuse alert* The 1995 season was particularly rough because Modell announced that the team would be moving in the middle of the season. At the time of that announcement the team was 3-1 and looked to be pretty good.
He was with the Eagles for one year, 1998, and the team went 3-13. It has hard to hold one season against a guy as he had little chance to get his players in place.
When he was with the Raiders the team made the playoffs three straight years including one Super Bowl and one conference championship. His time in Oakland ended badly.
Lombardi has been successful and has failed. I don't get why people are only focusing on the failures.
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With Lombardi running the show does this become a possibility? Or will this be an example of how he has learned from his mistakes? NFL draft bust JaMarcus Russell is attempting a comeback By Kristian Dyer | Shutdown Corner – 7 hours ago (AP) One of the biggest draft busts in NFL history is trying to re-kindle his football career. Yahoo! Sports has learned that JaMarcus Russell is planning a comeback attempt that he hopes will see him play in the league again. The former No. 1 pick in the 2007 NFL draft has not played a single NFL snap since the 2009 season with the Oakland Raiders. The reclamation of Russell will follow a tricky road for a quarterback who was always known more for his physical blessings than technique. Russell, 27, who has effectively been out of football since tryouts with the Washington Redskins and Miami Dolphins in 2010, might find overcoming himself his biggest challenge. Currently at 308 pounds, Russell is down from the 320 pounds he weighed this past fall and has been focusing on cardio conditioning the past six weeks to lose the weight. “My first year out, I couldn’t watch football but after a while, I couldn’t keep the TV off. I got that itchy feeling but now I gotta watch it, gotta watch,” Russell said. “The last few years, the things going through my life, football is my job and it is how it feeds my family. People would say [that] I didn’t love the game but that pisses me off. People don’t know the real you but I want people to know the real me and see what I can do. People are always saying that I’m a bust. I want show them I’m not. I’m committed to this now.” Yahoo! Sports has learned that Russell’s mentor through this whole process is former NFL wide receiver Mike Clayton, who like Russell is a LSU product. Over the next couple months, Russell will be training with Brian Martin of TEST Football Academy and TEST West, whose draft products include Joe Flacco and Patrick Peterson among others. In addition, former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Jeff Garcia (quarterback technique training), Olympian Ato Boldon (speed training and analysis), Dr. Robert Price of Elite Minds (mental and psychological analysis), former NFL wide receiver Quinn Early (disciplinary work and focus), former New York Giants quarterback Scott Brunner (reading defenses and classroom sessions) and NFL Hall of Fame running back Marshall Faulk (reading defenses) will work as part of the team trying to reclaim the quarterback’s promise. A former top pick, Russell never fulfilled his boundless athletic promise, including a 6-foot-6-inch 265 pound frame that looked more like that belonging to a tight end than someone under center. Complicating a comeback from a less than storied NFL career is the fact that Russell will need to overcome the negative perception stemming from his July 2010 arrest for codeine syrup without a prescription. He has taken steps to make amends for his mistakes, including frequently speaking to youth groups about his poor choices and arrest. “I’m not looking for a pat on the shoulder from people who haven’t been there for me,” Russell said. “It feels funny not to go through a training camp, that’s just what I’m used to. It’s going to feel good to go back out there again. I will make this happen.” http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdo...14730--nfl.html
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Well, let's see .... Phil Savage is a player personnel guy with the Eagles ...... so maybe he goes to play for Chip Kelly in Philly .......?
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Russell is an Al Davis pick through and through. What is more Al Davis than picking a guy #1 overall whose best quality is throwing the ball really far?
(Side Note: The two picks after Russell? Calvin Johnson and Joe Thomas.)
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My bet is that he ends up playing the same place as he did last year.
Also, Savage no longer works for a front office. He is the executive director of the Senior Bowl.
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My bet is that he ends up playing the same place as he did last year.
Also, Savage no longer works for a front office. He is the executive director of the Senior Bowl.
Ah. Mibad. I thought he was still with the Eagles.
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Maybe after not having his butt kissed for the first time in his life, and probably having blown all his money, the light switch goes on. The people he's working with are impressive and the talent was there at one time. I'll keep an eye on the guy.
But honestly, why not eat some salad for a while, lose more than 12 pounds and get yourself well below three bills before announcing your comeback?
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Maybe after not having his butt kissed for the first time in his life, and probably having blown all his money, the light switch goes on. The people he's working with are impressive and the talent was there at one time. I'll keep an eye on the guy.
But honestly, why not eat some salad for a while, lose more than 12 pounds and get yourself well below three bills before announcing your comeback?
Don't remember where I read it - here?.....but someone said " at 6' 6", 308 lbs, he's an offensive tackle."
Sorry - if it's taken this long for him to "get it", and he still hasn't proven it anyway, he's a lost cause. Must be running low on the guaranteed money he got. I mean, $31,000,000.00 only goes so far, right?
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But honestly, why not eat some salad for a while, lose more than 12 pounds and get yourself well below three bills before announcing your comeback?
No kidding.....acting like losing 12lbs in 4 months shows dedication? My gawd, at this rate he'll be lucky to be in playing shape for the 2015 season.
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$31,000,000.00 only goes so far, right?
especially based out of CA. heck Phil Mickelson showed that he's getting hit for ~60% (note: not feeling sorry for him: he chooses to live in CA, he chooses to live in a wealthy area that has high local taxes as well).
http://www.forbes.com/sites/anthonynitti...bing-tax-rates/
but, that would leave poor Russell with ~13mil. add in his addictions, entourage, et cetera and I'll bet a good portion of it is gone (specifically to JaMarcus, plenty of pro athletes are wise with their money).
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How much does purple drank cost? Divide that number by 31 million then divide by 2000...and that's how many sizzurps he's had a day since he was drafted. Gotta get me more purple drank! 
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At a $150 a pint...that works out to....10 pints a day. 
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Hear is a question I want to ask you guys and see what people are thinking. I do NOT think that this trade is a realistic posibilityso don't criticize that part. What I want to know is who out there would or would not make this trade.
Weeden for Alex Smith straight up. Do you make the trade?
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I think Weeden better fits the system we will be running, so I say no. I want to see him under in an offense that actually fits his strengths.
Also, I think the 49ers say no as well. I bet they can get at least a 3rd round pick for Smith. A third round pick is worth more to them than Weeden.
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Hear is a question I want to ask you guys and see what people are thinking. I do NOT think that this trade is a realistic posibilityso don't criticize that part. What I want to know is who out there would or would not make this trade.
Weeden for Alex Smith straight up. Do you make the trade?
Why in the world would the 49ers trade a guy that knows and fits their system straight up for a 30yo stiff with questionable skills? Alex Smith will likely be on another team next year, but I can 100% guarantee it won't be because he was acquired in a 1:1 trade for Brandon-freakin'-Weeden. (Sorry, had to criticize that part.)
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C'mon guys. I clearly stated that I did not think the trade was a realistic possibility even bolding the not. I know SF won't want Weeden. He doesn't fit their system.
I am asking you would make that trade from the Browns standpoint.
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I like Weeds, No sense in trading a 29 yo for another 29-30 yo. Weeds has the stuff, just needs the Coach who can get him there. I think Chud can.
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As I said. I don't think either team would do it.
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C'mon guys. I clearly stated that I did not think the trade was a realistic possibility even bolding the not. I know SF won't want Weeden. He doesn't fit their system.
I am asking you would make that trade from the Browns standpoint.
It's hard to know how much of Alex Smith's recent success is due to great coaching and a dominant O-Line.
With that being said, I do that trade in a heartbeat. Alex Smith is a better and younger player at the same position and salaries don't even come close to offsetting that IMO. It's easy (and very common) to overvalue your own players.
Let's put it this way, can you see an NFL team trading a 2nd rounder for Weeden? How about Smith?
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Mark this down as the first time of many that Alex Smith will be linked to us this off-season.
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