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Make one pick.. that's all he has to do.
So are you saying that this is what would make you happy about his performance or is that what you think will help him with the fan base at large?
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Ditto. I HATE this move. I really hope Lombardi proves us all wrong, but I'm not gonna hold my breath. 
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Thing is... Lombardi has a history in the league and it isn't pretty. Even if you've only seen his commentary on the NFL Channel or nfl.com, it is clear he is a lightweight and not particularly good at what he does. IMO, there is absolutely nothing in his past to indicate that this is a good hire.
Yeah, this is the problem I'm having, too.
However, Terry Pluto nailed it. He said he's willing to give the guy the "chance to fail." I generally take a wait and see approach. Yes, his history is pretty poor. However, maybe he's changed. Only time will tell.
Doesn't mean we have to be happy about it, though.
Obviously, we don't have a say in this, so, by default, he'll get his chance to fail. However, there's nothing in his record to suggest he'll succeed. He's been out of the league for a long time. I'm fairly confident that there is good reason for that. 
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Make one pick.. that's all he has to do.
So are you saying that this is what would make you happy about his performance or is that what you think will help him with the fan base at large?
I think that will get the fans off his back for a little while and buy him some breathing room...
What would make me real happy is to get a stud at 6 and add 2 very solid FAs in positions of need... and at least one guy from the 3rd or 4th round that can be a minor contributor now with solid upside......
That would make me ecstatic. 
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Thing is... Lombardi has a history in the league and it isn't pretty. Even if you've only seen his commentary on the NFL Channel or nfl.com, it is clear he is a lightweight and not particularly good at what he does. IMO, there is absolutely nothing in his past to indicate that this is a good hire.
But the PTB in this organization think he was the right guy. Again, I ask why...
I don't know Michelle... Patronage of some sort? I just don't get it.
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You don't get to where Haslam is in business and put a guy in that position just because he's your homeboy.. that's something stupid 21 year old NBA players do, not 60 year old billionaire businessmen..
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I'm sure no small part of this is the "Browns-fan-itis", that is, no matter what move we make, it will fail.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I always regarded Lombardi as a dufus of an analyst to the point where his takes were so bad that I unfollowed him on Twitter. Now he's our GM? Only in Cleveland can we be stuck with a clown like this guy twice. I have to give him the benefit of the doubt but when a guy fails at every stop, it should be a sign. Is it too early to call for a regime change yet? 
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The reason for Heckert's release was the lack of impact players at the top of his drafts. He found good players throughout the draft, but no real superstars.
NFL teams need a couple of superstars, who they can depend on every play. We don't have those players. We have a lot of good players.
I can agree with the philosophy of a draft with one great player being better than a draft with 2 or 3 good players. ...... but not the person they chose to replace Heckert.
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I don't know Michelle... Patronage of some sort? I just don't get it.
Well, if that's the case, I want them all to leave. So nobody thinks he was chosen for his football prowess...why would a new owner sabotage himself like that?
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What would make me real happy is to get a stud at 6 and add 2 very solid FAs in positions of need... and at least one guy from the 3rd or 4th round that can be a minor contributor now with solid upside......
That would make me ecstatic.
Sounds like we're looking for the same thing then....
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I'm quite certain that Banner and Haslam really like Lombardi.
I do think that Banner probably sold Haslam on Banner quite a bit. Lombardi probably interviewed with the Browns with a plan as far as who to pursue in free agency, who to draft, and so on. Obviously they liked his plan, just like they did Chud's plan.
I bet that will be a huge part of the upcoming presser ...... that he was really prepared, and knew what he wanted to do, how he outlined players in the league, and his draft opinions.
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Only problem with the "if he drafts a stud at no. 6" approach is that, from draft things I'm seeing, there aren't really too many "studs" in this entire draft. Good players, yes, but no "studs."
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I don't know Michelle... Patronage of some sort? I just don't get it.
Well, if that's the case, I want them all to leave. So nobody thinks he was chosen for his football prowess...why would a new owner sabotage himself like that?
Because he's a rookie in THIS business and doesn't know any better? I don't know. I'm not even stating as a fact that it is patronage that led to his hiring. My point (probably poorly stated) was that there are a number of candidates, who are actually working in the NFL right now, who would be light years better than Lombardi (who hasn't worked for an NFL team for a long team).
I don't understand why JimmyJoe would hire a guy who (a) has as poor a resume IN the league as Lombardi does and who (b) has been OUT of the league for years. I just don't get it.
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Well, if that's the case, I want them all to leave. So nobody thinks he was chosen for his football prowess...why would a new owner sabotage himself like that?
I guess that's pretty much the question we're all asking ourselves at this point. I don't feel like going through the process of looking up and posting all of the drafts he was involved in, but here's a little history of his career in positions that one would think he played a role in their drafts.
1998 to 2007 – Oakland Raiders: Hired by owner Al Davis to become Senior Personnel Executive working closely with the owner on all football matters. Liaison with head coach and owner; responsible for pro and college player evaluations; and handled veteran contracts.
1998 – Philadelphia Eagles: Promoted to Director of Pro Personnel after serving as a consultant to team owner Jeffrey Lurie in 1997. Managed the professional personnel department and advised owner and chief financial officer on all player contracts and salary cap issues.
1987 to 1996 – Cleveland Browns: Joined team as Pro Personnel Director in 1987. Promoted to Director of Player Personnel in 1992 where he worked under head coach Bill Belichick and was responsible for all college and pro personnel decisions; managed salary cap and player personnel issues; oversaw staff of 13 college and pro scouts; handled all player contracts and advised head coach on all football matters
Without me trying to put any personal spin on the matter, if you would look at the drafts of those teams while he was there, you could draw your own conclusions.
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Yes, none of it makes a lick of sense to me. It certainly has to make you wonder.
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j/c...
really, refs? would it have been better if I said "Here are some things my friends said to me about the hire. They are not Browns fans" and didn't use the quote feature?
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is he still under contract with the NFLN? Maybe during the draft they can interview him to have him pan the Browns' draft picks immediately after he selects them.
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The reason for Heckert's release was the lack of impact players at the top of his drafts.
The reason for Heckert's release was control.. no more/no less.
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I'm quite certain that Banner and Haslam really like Lombardi.
Do they like him because he picks up the check at dinner, brings beer to parties, tells good jokes and has a truck to help you move... or do they like him because they think he's great at his job.. I think that is the question most people have...
Edit other option... do they like him because he fills in the suit and easily manipulated...
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Haslam has to know the kind of blow back he is creating with this move , no ?
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Im sure he did 
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The reason for Heckert's release was control.. no more/no less.
No. It wasn't.
I have seen nothing that implies that Heckert was given any kind of choice in the matter. IIRC, Heckert actually even said that he was never even asked about control or anything else in their final meeting where he was fired.
Banner did say that he respected what Heckert had done, but that we need major impact players at the top of the draft. Banner wants to see superstars, not "good players".
I believe that this is the philosophy that drove Heckert's ouster.
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I just browsed through a couple of his drafts. Wow. Bad. Like REALLY bad. I scanned through about 5 of his drafts and found ONE that decent. The rest were alot of "I've never even HEARD of that guy....and he was a first rounder?"
Here's hoping he's learned a thing or two and that the coaching staff has ALOT of input.
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Michael Lombardi is a frequent guest on Bill Simmons podcast for about three years. He was on the podcast on Monday. He commented on the Browns job saying something along the lines of, "I have learned from my mistakes." As a guest on that show he comes off as intelligent and informed. I can't hold Lombardi's time in Oakland against him because he was working for Al Davis. There is no way Lombardi had anything close to the final say on any of those picks. Hopefully he does a great job.
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I wonder about how much the drafts he conducted in Cleveland were "his" drafts, and how much they were Belichick's drafts.
I do remember the Craig Powell fiasco, and that was pure Belichick.He was irate because there was a player (who escapes me) that Bill really wanted, and he went insane when the player was taken ahead of the Browns pick. I think that Lombardi had input into the drafts with the Browns, but that Belichick was the final voice in the 1st round. (and maybe even 2nd/3rd)
There was a nice write-up about Lombardi in Philly, and how well his drafts went. Who knows?
Lombardi also worked with Al Davis in Oakland ...... so who knows how much power he had there. I would guess that Al Davis could override anything in player decisions.
I worry about Lombardi, the more I think about him, more because I don't know which players he had a hand in picking, and which were picked by Belichick/Banner/Davis. If he was run over by stronger personalities, then I worry about that. If he didn't really push for guys he strongly believed in, choosing to stand by while mistakes were made, that's as big a concern for me as anything else.
I dunno ...... I hope that Lombardi will be better than I think he will be.
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We're doomed. I see absolutely nothing from this hiring that leads me to believe we'll have anything but more years of misery. Sorry guys. I may very well be on the edge of walking away from the mess. And that's hard for me to say.
Lombardi is the last guy I wanted to see hired.
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People who are fans of trading down in every draft should be fans of this hire.
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Tony Grossi's blood is probably boiling. For whatever reason he has a personal vendetta against Lombardi.
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I disagree, especially if Banner has a voice in the draft. Banner wants impact players, not volume of bodies.
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I might have missed it but did Haslam just say we're going to be announcing the DC soon?
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Haslam: chud should make announcement on "excellent" DC in the next few days.
Hire coach first, gm/player personnel person second. Talked w/ several talented people.
One person stood out as "extremely smart" and "phenomenal passion" and "great work drive." "tremendous knowledge of football."
Want an "outstanding player evaluator." Want "somebody that understood how to put together a team."
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"Mike Lombardi will help us do this."
Talked to "several people in the business" at the "very top of the NFL business" and without exception, they said "if you can get Mike Lombardi, you should hire him immediately."
"very very impressed" with Lombardi.
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So the 'top NFL people' said that we should hire Lombardi immediately.... and yet he's been out of the NFL for how long?? and hasn't been offerred a position for how long? 
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