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My thought on Lombardi is that he has spent a lot of time getting fired...but since then has spent a lot of time learning. In a role where he doesnt have the final say...thats fine.
Let Chud, Banner, and Lombardi work together on the picks...I'm fine with that.
Lombardi has been bad yes...but he has to have learned in his time away.
That makes sense.
Maybe when people hire others they should see.....
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I know that's the guy I'd be looking to hire! I mean after all, since he's sucked so bad in the past, he must be better now, right?
You have just revolutionized a new way of hiring based on a totally messed up work record!
No....... wait, Banner beat you to it!
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I say give 'em a shot. If you're one of those people rooting against him and the Browns simply because you don't like him/don't want him around, I feel bad for you.
my sentiments exactly
This is the silliest load of crap I've seen in this thread!
Are people so naive as to think we want the Browns to fail because Lombadi was hired? Nowhere has anybody said or indicated such a thing. Not even close.
Here's a friggin' news bulletin for ya........ We are upset because we want the Browns to succeed, not the other way around.
He has had epic fails everywhere he has been. If you can't grasp that reality and that the fans were told they were going to get "the best people available", when they clearly did not in this case, that's on you.
But trying to pawn it off as people now hope the Browns lose because they don't like the hire?
You guys must work for a political action commitee that speacializes in smear campaigns and this sad attempt is much like looking at Lombardi's resume'....... Epic fail.
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Everyone keeps saying "his" drafts but I see it written nowhere that he was the man that made the final decision on any draft pick. If so where? Because those are the drafts that he should be held accountable for.
Oh I like that angle!
In other words, we have a rookie HC who has never been in charge of running a draft, Haslam who is a rookie owner who has never been in charge of a draft and now you claim that possibly Lombardi has never been in charge of a draft?
Well that just sounds so much better doesn't it?
That's the entire situation here. If Lombardi was in charge of those drafts, he's terrible. If he wasn't in charge of them, we have a FO devoid of any real person who has ever been in charge of an NFL draft. But then I really never expected The Decider to have anyone around to question his authorty anyway.
I mean he saw where that got him in Philly......
You know.... Dawg Michelle asked very early on in this thread why it was Lombardi who was chosen for this job considering all of the available candidates? The logic behind the hire?
After well over 10 pages now, I haven't seen anyone give a legitimate answer to that question.......
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You know.... Dawg Michelle asked very early on in this thread why it was Lombardi who was chosen for this job considering all of the available candidates? The logic behind the hire?
After well over 10 pages now, I haven't seen anyone give a legitimate answer to that question.......
I'll give you the ONLY one that matters.
People in the KNOW. People in the NFL who actually have a clue as to what goes on in any NFL Front Office. Respected NFL people gave thumbs UP to the hire.
How's that Pit? Tell me it's GOOD cause I'm still trying to convince myself it is. LOL.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! You fools! You idiotic fools! 
I watched the presser...they trotted him out there knowing the backlash..and Banner admitted some of it is warranted.
Now whoever Haslam spoke to high up in the NFL , is he really blind to believe that the reason they all told him to hire ML was to make him a winner? Or did he get the biggest PUNKED ever???
My stomach has a pit in it that I can't get rid of today..They knew since Banner was hired what was gonna happen to the GM job..heck it's been reported since August..When I hear WTAM and Triv slam the move and Triv say he doesn't like Lombardi ..U gotta know this ain't gonna be good for someone.
tacker...that was an "unbelievable" comment by Haslam.
Haslam must believe Browns fans are a bunch of idiots...that he and Banner can make anything up, spin it a little and we will believe them.
Here is some of the "stuff" Haslam said in his introduction of Lombardi to the press...
"Over the past really particular week, but really two weeks as we started to focus on this, I had the opportunity to talk to several people in the business, you all are going to want to know who they are, but I’m not going to name them, who I respect. These are people at the very top of the NFL business, the most respected people in the business and without exception every one of them said this, ‘If you can get Mike Lombardi to be your general manager you should hire him immediately. "
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Joe Banner (On when they first discussed Lombardi as a possibility and when did it all come together)- “I think we kind of loosely joked with each other about possibly working together some day over the years that we were friends. Or occasionally we both agree about a player that everybody else didn’t like that turned out to be good so we patted ourselves on the back and told each other how brilliant we were and thought we should work together someday. It's too long for my new sig. Any idea how I can make it fit? It's just too good since it describes those stooges in a nutshell...I really want it as my signature 
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decaff bro...seriously
I was being serious and I'm on my first Mountain Dew so no need for decaf. It is what it is and decaf isn't going to change that.
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I'll give you the ONLY one that matters.
People in the KNOW. People in the NFL who actually have a clue as to what goes on in any NFL Front Office. Respected NFL people gave thumbs UP to the hire.
How's that Pit? Tell me it's GOOD cause I'm still trying to convince myself it is. LOL.
Well if I KNEW who it was they KNOW that they claim to have spoken to that was in THE KNOW, I would KNOW a lot better how to respond to what it was they thought they KNEW.
But I don't KNOW who they KNEW that they thought were in the KNOW. However, now we KNOW that the one's that they thought KNEW, KNOW very little!
Does that make it any better?
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Personally, I think our only hope is that Haslam IS as smart as we all thought he was when it was first announced he had purchased the team. Because that means it will only take him a year or two to figure out that his first screw-up was hiring Banner and then that his second was Mike Lombardi. Of course, these guys could turn out to be our Belichick/Pioli combo...... Naw, I didn't believe it when I typed it...... 
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Glad you stuck around mac. Usually if you give some people enough rope, they'll eventually hang themsleves and everything will come full circle. We've seen it time and time again. 
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Naw, I didn't believe it when I typed it......
Man I was getting worried there for a second! We're both getting older and I was afraid you were having a "Senior moment" until I got to that last line!
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My hope is Chud has the largest say at the draft table, and I think he will....at least between him and Lombardi.
In the end I am not going to worry about it until we start making dumb picks that don't pan out.
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My hope is Chud has the largest say at the draft table, and I think he will....at least between him and Lombardi.
In the end I am not going to worry about it until we start making dumb picks that don't pan out.
Well my friend, what's done is done. Nothing is really left to worry about.
Many people's fears were confirmed however on the FO structure. And for some reason, I feel Banner thinks he has a much better pedigree than Lombardi.
I hope Chud has a lot of input in the draft too. But I can't help but wonder...... If you hire a guy like Lombardi who obviously has no clue on drafting, why would you give the guy underneath him in the chain of command even more say?
I actually believe this FO in terms of Haslam, Banner, Lombadri and Chud being in the draft room and there will need to be a "concensus". The problem is, I don't think three out of the four know what they're doing and Chud has little to no experience in the draft room.
Don't get me wrong, I like the hire of Chud, but I just don't see Banner as handing over the reigns to a first time NFL HC.
But we can all hope for the best. Because, what else do we have at this point really?
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My hope is Chud has the largest say at the draft table, and I think he will....at least between him and Lombardi.
In the end I am not going to worry about it until we start making dumb picks that don't pan out.
I agree, though if the "best" we can hope for is a rook HC to suddenly become a College scout professor is telling how far we have to reach to see a silver lining in this mess of a "consensus" structure, which I still don't believe in. It'll be Banner/Lombardi running the show with them selling them picks to Haslam/Chud
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Pit...I hope all those folks who wanted CHANGE are happy now...you got your change.
Though the 5 year rebuilding plan only lasted 3 yrs, Heckert was able to lay the foundation on offense and defense.
If Haslam, Banner and Lombardi just do an "average" job of completing what was started in 2010, this team should be challenging for the playoffs in 2014.
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If hiring Lombardi meant that we got rid of that terrible coaching staff for our current coaching staff, I'll consider it worth it.
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I love this hire! This dude has the ears of all the important people in the NFL, the refs are going to start calling games our way now, even road games. The potential is awesome, the sky's the limit and our outlook is stunningly bright. Lombardi here we come!
Some of you act like this is a bad move, you act like he's failed here before for some reason.
Haters gonna hate...
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I don't like the hire at all, but unless you believe Haslam and Banner are complete idiots - which I don't - then you have to know that they are aware of what a huge PR thud this is with the fan base. With that in mind, and given that (I believe) the salary floor of the CBA kicks in this year, I'd expect 2 or 3 big FA signings to "reform" their (and Lombardi's) PR image. The possible bad news is, it'll be Lombardi signing the FA's. I guess we'll see come March.
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How does Lombardi's interview go, exactly? Do they ask if he has any experience, and when he says he does, do they say, "Can you name some of the first round picks you've made?"
"Uh, well, there was Robert Gallery. And I pioneered the technique of using first-round picks on kickers."
I mean, how does he actually sell himself? There's nothing to point to that would indicate success, ever.
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Everyone keeps saying "his" drafts but I see it written nowhere that he was the man that made the final decision on any draft pick. If so where? Because those are the drafts that he should be held accountable for.
Oh I like that angle!
In other words, we have a rookie HC who has never been in charge of running a draft, Haslam who is a rookie owner who has never been in charge of a draft and now you claim that possibly Lombardi has never been in charge of a draft?
Well that just sounds so much better doesn't it?
That's the entire situation here. If Lombardi was in charge of those drafts, he's terrible. If he wasn't in charge of them, we have a FO devoid of any real person who has ever been in charge of an NFL draft. But then I really never expected The Decider to have anyone around to question his authorty anyway.
I mean he saw where that got him in Philly......
You know.... Dawg Michelle asked very early on in this thread why it was Lombardi who was chosen for this job considering all of the available candidates? The logic behind the hire?
After well over 10 pages now, I haven't seen anyone give a legitimate answer to that question.......
Not really an angle just a question. For years everyone everywhere blamed Al Davis for a whole lot of bad drafts but some want to now assign that burden to Lombardi. As far as the Browns of the mid nineties go, was that Bellicheck(SP) ?Lombardi ? both? who knows. If it was Bill B. then how has he done drafting for the Pats? I just checked on the Pats first round picks since he was hired and he seems to have hit on most. Point being if he has evolved why not Lombardi? If the stories are true and he has been assisting Bill B. with game planning etc. he must have some value to an organization.
Just to point out, I was all for keeping Heckert but I do not think he would have stayed under the structure that Haslam and Banner want to create.
Best case scenario is we forget Lombardi is part of our front office.
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In other words, we have a rookie HC who has never been in charge of running a draft, Haslam who is a rookie owner who has never been in charge of a draft and now you claim that possibly Lombardi has never been in charge of a draft?
We have a rookie HC that's 44 y.o. and has been coaching football in one form or another for most of his life (23 years experience at it).
We have a rookie owner (which isn't totally true - minority holder in Putzburgh) who inherited the team? Oh wait! That's not true. He sunk a billion of his own money into the purchase of the team.
As for Lombardi's hire, and I have no real feelings on it, I somehow don't think that's he's going to be the deciding factor in who gets drafted. And, considering the views of some posters here, should we really be concerned about Lombardi? We all think we're geniuses with our mock drafts and our comments on the mock drafts of others which turn out to be worse prognosticators of who gets selected where and for what reasons than anything I've ever seen written on these pages.
To add to it, we've had Holmgren & Heckert through three drafts and we won 5 games, 4 games and 5 games in those three seasons. In the previous regime (Mangini & Kokinis - for however long Kokinis was here), we had 4 wins and 5 wins. Don't go telling me that we had some sort of superior genius with Heckert. Maybe the talent is there but the coaching wasn't.
What we can demonstratively state is that Heckert had 3 tries and the team didn't get better in the wins column.
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Well that just sounds so much better doesn't it?
That's the entire situation here. If Lombardi was in charge of those drafts, he's terrible. If he wasn't in charge of them, we have a FO devoid of any real person who has ever been in charge of an NFL draft. But then I really never expected The Decider to have anyone around to question his authority anyway.
Sounds better than 5-11 or 4-12 every year. Maybe that doesn't change. If we consistently win fewer games then maybe you have a point. Let's just see where it all goes from here.
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After well over 10 pages now, I haven't seen anyone give a legitimate answer to that question.......
If you heard the press conference introducing Lombardi, Haslam stated it clearly. He said that Lombardi was highly thought of in the NFL ranks. I'm sorry that he didn't ask for your opinion or mine. We know much more than those working in the league know. 
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You wann know how the interview went?
Joe: Hey buddy, this is Jimmy our owner, I've told you about him
Jimmy: Hi, Mike. Ready to be a puppet GM again?
Mike: Sure, thanks pals, but you know....the fans hate me and I'Ve talked this team down at every turn the past 5 years. How we gonna sell it?
Joe: Who cares about those idiots anyway? We sandwiched you between Norv and Horton, 2 hires the fans loved, so that the backleash on you is as small as possible...and if you face a tough question from those media hacks I will pass you a sheet of paper on how to behave
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I did see a post where someone said " best case scenario we go 0-10" so Haslam gets rid of Lombardi after one season.
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BrownieElf, does Grossi like Lombardi? I do not, and Nantz has no worthwhile opinion with me. Sounds like we have to sell Lombardi maniacally, which may be harder than selling season tickets for the upcoming season. Stupid. Not in the draft wizard class we had with Heckert. Wasn't sure whether I was moreup set with letting Heck go, or his replacement. Now I am certain: Hiring this guy wastes a lot of efforts and taints the next draft. Strike one.
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My thought on Lombardi is that he has spent a lot of time getting fired...but since then has spent a lot of time learning. In a role where he doesnt have the final say...thats fine.
Let Chud, Banner, and Lombardi work together on the picks...I'm fine with that.
Lombardi has been bad yes...but he has to have learned in his time away.
KingSteve-Not being a naysayer, but who did he learn from? I think thats a valid question. What Expert turned him around? This is a real question.
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You wann know how the interview went?
Joe: Hey buddy, this is Jimmy our owner, I've told you about him
Jimmy: Hi, Mike. Ready to be a puppet GM again?
Mike: Sure, thanks pals, but you know....the fans hate me and I'Ve talked this team down at every turn the past 5 years. How we gonna sell it?
Joe: Who cares about those idiots anyway? We sandwiched you between Norv and Horton, 2 hires the fans loved, so that the backleash on you is as small as possible...and if you face a tough question from those media hacks I will pass you a sheet of paper on how to behave
That was bizarre to say the least.
Anyway, Haslem and Banner have shown they don't need to make a big splash (Chud) and aren't swayed by public opinion (Lombardi). They went after my #1 HC choice (Chip) and that didn't work out for whatever reason. doesn't matter. After that, there wasn't any other realistic candidate I would rather have out there than Chud. Coordinator hires were excellent. They retained some good assistant coaches. Lombardi and the whole structure of things makes me uneasy as well but I agree so much with the other hires and pursuits that I trust they know what they are doing 
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