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Thought this was interesting about Banner with the new hire of Loserbardi as an executive with this team. web page Philadelphia Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie had his nah-nah-nah-nah-nah moment when he hired Chip Kelly on Wednesday. The Eagles coaching search was supposed to be in shambles. Sources intimated to CBSSports.com's Jason La Canfora that Eagles general manager Howie Roseman was "drunk with power" and "woefully out of his depth." The belief in Philly is that former Eagles team president and current Cleveland Browns CEO Joe Banner is responsible for the sentiments. "I'm very supportive of Howie, and if there's any criticism coming from afar about Howie, it's just off-base, and so I will support Howie completely, because that's not right," Lurie told CSNPhilly.com columnist Reuben Frank. "And, you know, if there are league sources that are really based in Cleveland, that's not right. We see throughout it all." The Lurie-Roseman-Banner beef stems from a longtime, tight relationship. Lurie hired Banner as his top executive when he bought the team in 1994 and the two worked together for 19 years, including the Eagles' most successful stretch in franchise history. Roseman came up under Banner and eventually surpassed his mentor. Banner left for Cleveland and both organizations went after Kelly. The Browns hired Rob Chudzinski. Banner felt the need to clear his name. "It is always difficult to comment on a quote that may or may not be accurate or in context," Banner said in a statement released by the team. "In this case, from the comments which Jeffrey made that were communicated to me, it is necessary for me to make this clear, unambiguous statement. Any implication that I had anything to do with Jason La Canfora's story is completely false, outrageous and borders on libelous. "I had absolutely no conversation with Jason La Canfora. Having demonstrated my character over the last 44 years to Jeffrey and the last 14 to Howie, it is beyond disappointing that they would suggest such a thing. As tempting as it is to go further, other than defending myself, I will continue to take the high road on all such matters as I have since the day I left the Eagles." Yes, I do believe that's our first public accusation of libel in 2013. Lurie expects he and Banner to make nice and save the relationship. And none of this really matters when it comes down to what happens on the field. But who's not entertained by the high-school-type squabbling between NFL owners and executives...?
And the next head coach is ......
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Just read this in another thread. It all sounds pretty ridiculous. I really think the Philly sports media, which has seemingly always hated Banner, is trying to create news rather than report it.
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Roseman is a 30-something hotshot kid trying to make a name in the NFL. Thus far he's done a pretty horrible job. If Banner did say those things, I don't think he was too far off base.
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Just read this in another thread. It all sounds pretty ridiculous. I really think the Philly sports media, which has seemingly always hated Banner, is trying to create news rather than report it.
Well, Banner just hired Lombardi, so from my perspective, the Philly media may not be far off 
Seriously, In the presser where Chud was introduced, Haslam made mention that instead of just he and Joe looking at GM/Director of Personnel type guys, it would now include Chud.
So, I'm guessing that Chud signed off on this as well as Haslam and Banner.
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Roseman is a 30-something hotshot kid trying to make a name in the NFL. Thus far he's done a pretty horrible job. If Banner did say those things, I don't think he was too far off base.
You should re-think that. From 2010 to 2012 drafts, clearly the best was 2012 when Banner was axed shortly after, probably because he didn't have his way....err "consensus". There are all kind of indications that the horrible 2010 and 2011 drafts "went through him"
http://articles.philly.com/2013-01-05/sports/36151018_1_howie-roseman-eagles-gm-tom-heckert
When Heckert left the Eagles, Howie Roseman took over as GM, but at first he seemed to be doing Banner's bidding, according to McNabb.
Banner "was already grooming Howie" to take Heckert's position, "so basically he could make every decision and just have Howie there with the title. And that's the way things were the last couple years, of Howie just being there, you know, suggesting a lot of things, but with Joe making the decision," McNabb said.
"The mistakes that were made in the 2011 draft have little or nothing to do with Howie's evaluations," Lurie said.
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Yes, I'm going to believe every word that Philly.com has to say about Joe Banner, especially when the words are coming those with an ax to grind.
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Yes, I'm going to believe every word that Philly.com has to say about Joe Banner, especially when the words are coming those with an ax to grind.
Ax to grind?
You DO know that THEY fired HIM, right? So, who's the one with an "ax to grind" and who probably felt relieved? 
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Yes, I'm going to believe every word that Philly.com has to say about Joe Banner, especially when the words are coming those with an ax to grind.
Ax to grind?
You DO know that THEY fired HIM, right? So, who's the one with an "ax to grind" and who probably felt relieved?
what?
that is patently untrue. he left in June saying he wanted to go and startup with an ownership group. Philly media thought perhaps he was forced out. A month later, he was in on the Haslam group buying the Browns.
sometimes it is as they say it and everything leads us to that conclusion in this case.
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From 2010 to 2012 drafts, clearly the best was 2012 when Banner was axed shortly after, probably because he didn't have his way....err "consensus". There are all kind of indications that the horrible 2010 and 2011 drafts "went through him"
Not necessarily pointing the finger at you, but some posters blast the hiring of Banner and say there's no way he's qualified to have the "football people" answer to him because he wasn't responsible for drafting the players, yet other posters are going to blast him for bad drafts because they "went through him."
I'd note the irony there.
Setting that aside, you of all people know that evaluating a draft class after one season is fools-folly.
Beyond that, some weeks ago I'd read a quote from Jeff Lurie where he had noted that when grading out the previous drafts...note the word drafts...he fired Reid in part because he rated Roseman's draft selections above Reid's. In fact, that's exactly what Roseman said as well: Quote:
web page When asked about his role in the 2011 draft — which saw the Eagles take guard Danny Watkins and safety Jaquan Jarrett — Roseman was clear. “I didn’t have final say on football operations,” Roseman said. “I’ve never had final say on football operations. That’s been clear with coach.”
So to be blunt, you're using faulty logic to paint Banner as a dope...again. Whether it's intentional or not, you've missed.
There are legit questions with Banner. Your proposed example does not qualify as one.
The primary reason I see for Banner having been forced out wasn't about his lack of production. In using your example, you've COMPLETELY glossed over the previous decade of success that the team had. I'd posted an article stating that Lurie felt the need to fire someone to try and win the fans back because he felt he was losing them. So he chose the guy who had been grooming the future GM, and who also happened to be the unlikable "pencil pusher."
You gotta try something else, Dj. 
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Banner never left Philly, he was fired and all pretended he "left". There are enough articles out there who mention the feud between him and Lurie....there was no "free will" to it.
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The only SURE thing in this Philly mess is that the 2 crappy drafts were made without Heckert. The good looking 2012 one is being quoted repeatedly being Roseman's only. That's the facts....Now, who was responsible for the good ones before 2010? The same guys were in the draft room that were there in 2010 and 2011...what changed? Heckert....by simple logic there's enough mud to throw at both Reid and Banner on that alone. Of course I base my argument on the McNabb interview where he said Banner was in charge and everything went through him, especially when Reid's personal life got rough...factoring in this, we're looking at the 2010 and 2011 drafts wher Banner had the MOST power (how much is up in the air still, I know that) in his time in Philly....coincidentally, those were BY FAR the 2 crappiest. Another "strange" coincidence that Banner gets fired after thhose 2 drafts shortly after the 2012 one where he probably got out-muscled, that's my assumption, but makes all the sense of the world...he was FIRED after all after that...by his buddy, who sided with his own grown puppet GM over Banner.
Your assumption is that Lurie would fire his longtime friend for a PR-sacrifice. I think my theory is more plausible as I think he fired Banner, which sure took more than a PR move and couldn't be easy for Lurie to fire his buddy, because he KNEW who wanted who the past 2 drafts and who was beyond its depth and who wasn't as Banner was gaining more and more personnel power. His plan didn't work, Lurie opted for HIS puppet instead of him because he was smarter. Lurie could have EASILY thrown Roseman under the bus and kept Banner....doing it the other way around and firing a longtime friend over who basically was a novice tella me ALL I need to know that it was a competency move.
So my conclusion out of this is two fold:
1. Philly drafts were better when either a) Heckert was in the war room or b) neither Reid nor Banner were involved in any way
2. Philly drafted like crap when Reid and Banner had the most of their power over drafts
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You guys are going to have to get used to how Joe Banner operates. As an Eagle fan since 1977, I witnessed his 2 decades in Philly up close.
While not being able to confirm it as fact, just about every person with knowledge of Banner knows he was at the heart of LaCanfora's article. He may not have 'spoken' to him directly, but he made damn sure Jason heard his words from someone. Banner lost in Philly. He was the guy that was 'drunk with power', so it's not shocking he chose those words.
The relationship of Lurie/Banner began deteriorating with the Brian Dawkins deal (or lack there of). Joey 'Nickles' Banner had a price in mind for Dawk. It was insulting. Joe didn't budge. Dawk left...huge fan backlash. That was the start, though there is more.
I think Cleveland has a lot to be excited about....I like your new owner. I do think he needs to keep tight reigns on Banner though...keep him behind closed doors. He has never been one that comes across as warm or likeable. Players don't trust him...at all.
That said, he does bring a great value to an NFL organization. He is a cap genius...and I do mean genius. His method won't keep everyone happy (no system will), bu it will keep a team young and competitive for a long time (provided the right guys are picking the actual talent...that can't be Joe).
If Jimmy keeps Banner in the back room, Cleveland will be fine for it. If he lets Joe get to public, it won't be so good for you fans...
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The only SURE thing in this Philly mess is that the 2 crappy drafts were made without Heckert.
Which doesn't at all imply that Heckert was responsible for all the good that happened while he was there, and that everything bad that happened after he left was because he left
In the end, Reid always had final say over football personnel. Heckert could be an advisor, but to give him all the credit but now give Reid and Banner all the blame doesn't begin to offer a fair evaluation of what went on over there.
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The good looking 2012 one is being quoted repeatedly being Roseman's only. That's the facts.
It's also a fact that it's folly to judge a draft in the same year as that draft.
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Your assumption is that Lurie would fire his longtime friend for a PR-sacrifice.
Incorrect.
The real picture is much bigger and has many more moving parts. To suggest that's the only reason is, again, not telling the entire story.
No regime last forever. The Eagles regime which featured Banner and Reid had an amazing run of success, but there time was coming without a Super Bowl win. The team underperformed and the fans grew restless so changes were coming. Lurie decided that Banner was a good man to sacrifice because he's unlikable to the fans. Reid was also on a short-rope and was given everything he wanted, which was more power. We'll call that "enough rope to hang himself with." That's very-much what Randy Lerner did with Butch Davis, when he handed Butch full-control over everything.
You're taking bits and pieces of stories and fitting them together in an attempt to make Banner look bad.
So again, there are enough questions around Banner where it's hard to fit the puzzle-pieces together in order to get to the truth. You're cutting the pieces to fit, and as anyone who has ever tried to do that knows, you don't get the full picture when you do that. Only a cut-and-pasted that doesn't look like the picture on the box, and therefore isn't factual.
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And I would challenge you to provide proof that he was at the heart other than "every one knows". As far as Dawkins and dealing with vet players I suppose there is a bit of a gamble when it comes to contracts.Dawkins had one more good year after leaving Philly was Banner wrong for not giving him a new contract, probably but as I said it is a gamble.
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Thanks for the insight
I think to some degree we've already seen that Banner isn't the media friendly type. He comes across as someone with which you wouldn't want to have a drink or a cup of coffee with. (I'm being nice saying it that way)
I do see him as intelligent, but I don't think he should be in any more pressers. Haslam is a smart man with vision. I, for whatever reason, trust him to a great degree to try and always do the right thing. That doesn't mean he always will. Hell, we all make mistakes.
Maybe Lombardi is one, maybe renaming the stadium is another and god only knows how roster is going to be after Lombardi gets done with it.
The saving grace here is Chud and Turner. and if Horton does indeed come on, they have the ability to just throw Lombardi under a bus in the Draft Room if he tries one of his stupid picks. They'll wipe the floor with him.. of that I'm convinced.
And I'm convinced if Banner attempts to defend Lombardi too much, Haslam will see through it. I really do think he's that smart.
This is going to get dicey until we see how the rest of the staff shakes out and how the actual draft shakes out. Although, as far as I know, the scouting staff is still in place and will remain so until at least after the draft.
So I'm fairly convinced they've got a draft board up and are moving pieces around all the time. Lombardi won't have much to do with this draft. I just feel that way because of Chuds involvment and Turner being here. And Horton would complete the package for me.
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The relationship of Lurie/Banner began deteriorating with the Brian Dawkins deal (or lack there of). Joey 'Nickles' Banner had a price in mind for Dawk. It was insulting. Joe didn't budge. Dawk left...huge fan backlash. That was the start, though there is more.
This I consider to be at least very close to the truth.
Banner has a long-standing reputation of letting aging vets walk because giving money to older players is very risky. He got blasted because the fans loved Dawkins, and he proved he could still play after being let go.
What Philly fans never mention are all the other aging vets they wanted to keep that Banner let go, where they went on to play another year or two then fell off the map. He has far more wins in that regard than losses, but the rabid fans in Philly won't talk about that. I should know. I work with a couple of them, and they've admitted that to me.
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No regime last forever. The Eagles regime which featured Banner and Reid had an amazing run of success, but there time was coming without a Super Bowl win. The team underperformed and the fans grew restless so changes were coming. Lurie decided that Banner was a good man to sacrifice because he's unlikable to the fans. Reid was also on a short-rope and was given everything he wanted, which was more power. We'll call that "enough rope to hang himself with." That's very-much what Randy Lerner did with Butch Davis, when he handed Butch full-control over everything.
So, you still think an owner rather sacrifices his buddy over some young hot shot? Really?
Here goes your argument btw:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...n-roseman-reid/
“I keep voluminous notes on talent evaluation on not just who we draft, but who is valued in each draft by each person that is in the organization that’s working here,” Lurie said. “I came to the conclusion that the person that was providing by far the best talent evaluation in the building was Howie Roseman. I decided to streamline the whole decision-making process for the 2012 draft and offseason and that’s the first draft and offseason I hold Howie completely accountable for. The mistakes that were made in the 2011 draft have little or nothing to do with Howie’s evaluations and I think it was important for me to own up to the mistakes that were made and understand where they were coming from and it was awfully clear.”
So, he takes notes for multiple drafts and then fired Banner his buddy and promotes a nobody? ...I stick to my competency-theory, way more plausible. Your narrative doesn't add up and isn't much more than a conspiracy theory, but I agree to disagree and we don't have ALL the facts to claim either to be 100% true, we can also agree on that. I tend to believe that my assumption makes more sense, you do with yours of course...all good
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And I would challenge you to provide proof that he was at the heart other than "every one knows". As far as Dawkins and dealing with vet players I suppose there is a bit of a gamble when it comes to contracts.Dawkins had one more good year after leaving Philly was Banner wrong for not giving him a new contract, probably but as I said it is a gamble.
Proof? Be real about this. Will Jason give up his 'NFL source' that claimed these things? Of course not. Sometimes you have to see the forest through the trees. I understand your desire to want to defend Banner...I do get it. You don't want to believe the negative of someone who was just brought in by your new owner to help your team.
Like I said...there are things of great benefit that Banner can bring to a franchise...but there is a negative side to him.
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The relationship of Lurie/Banner began deteriorating with the Brian Dawkins deal (or lack there of). Joey 'Nickles' Banner had a price in mind for Dawk. It was insulting. Joe didn't budge. Dawk left...huge fan backlash. That was the start, though there is more.
This I consider to be at least very close to the truth.
Banner has a long-standing reputation of letting aging vets walk because giving money to older players is very risky. He got blasted because the fans loved Dawkins, and he proved he could still play after being let go.
What Philly fans never mention are all the other aging vets they wanted to keep that Banner let go, where they went on to play another year or two then fell off the map. He has far more wins in that regard than losses, but the rabid fans in Philly won't talk about that. I should know. I work with a couple of them, and they've admitted that to me.
I'm another fan that would admit the same. And I would agree that Banner made more right decisions than wrong ones. At the end of the day, that is what you want.
But Dawkins was a different story. Not all aging players are the same. Some mean more in the locker room than others. Banner lacked vision in that area.
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As a side note Toad
I can't believe you're still siding with Banner although he clearly hired his own Pat Shurmur. You said you don't want him running the draft and I told you we won't see a vet HC nor a vet GM. He lied and I already predicted MONTHS ago how this is playing out: complete rebuild of coaching staff, even on D, new terminology, puppet GM as Banner thinks he's the real GM now...all of that.
You debated and defelcted it...and now that it's here...you STILL defend him? Let's not make this about sticking to an early opinion of the guy....I applauded them for Chud and Norv, although I think they stumbled into their luck, but how can anyone defend hiring Lombardi? You got no problem with this? Really?
Our "draft room" currently consists of Haslam, Banner, Lombardi and a rook HC...this was the worst case even I envisioned and now that it is here...you still write apologies? C'mon man...
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So, you still think an owner rather sacrifices his buddy over some young hot shot? Really?
Banner had been grooming that "hot shot" to take over anyway. Who better to sacrifice than Banner? He was the perfect guy.
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So, he takes notes for multiple drafts and then fired Banner his buddy and promotes a nobody? .
Again with the scissored pieces.
You completely ignored the guy who held the most power in personnel, with was Reid. You just went right for Banner.
And again, Banner had been grooming Roseman for the job. It was going to be Roseman's job sooner rather than later, so the best guy to fire was Banner, who incidentally, had ALREADY been pulled back in terms of his power.
So why was Banner the perfect guy to fire? He was already on his way out:
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"I think Jeff became concerned with the public perception of the team, that it had won a lot but was still not connecting with the fan base to a large degree. A large number of Eagles fans were disaffected with this team," Didinger said.
"While Joe was a very skillful front-office executive and very skilled contract negotiator, he was not very good functioning as the face of the franchise.
"When he came out and did a press conference and answered questions, there was just something about him that people found off-putting. That was something over time, especially after the way last season went down that Jeff was real concerned about how the team was perceived.''
You can't cut-and-tape the pieces together, Dj. There's the rest of the story.
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Banner has a long-standing reputation of letting aging vets walk because giving money to older players is very risky.
You bringing this up just put a thought in my head.. ( don't say it... far and few between  )
This may have been said, I don't recall. Haslam coming from Pittsburgh and them having pretty much the same philosophy as far as letting older vets go. I wonder if that was an attraction of Haslams to Banner.
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So how do you explain all the bad blood between Lurie and Banner if he was going to go on "consensus" anyway?
As I said, something doesn't add up in your story. Mine is plausible and backed by comments of former players and the owner. Yours is a conspiracy theory...
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Lurie went straight to media with his concerns regarding Banner Posted by Mike Florio on January 18, 2013, 3:21 PM EST On Friday, a feud suddenly emerged between Eagles owner Jeffrey Lurie and former Eagles president (and current Browns CEO) Joe Banner. Lurie believes Banner has been criticizing Eagles G.M. Howie Roseman, and Banner denies it. The strangest aspect of the situation is that Lurie didn’t take the spat public as a last resort, but as his first move. Per a source with knowledge of the situation, Lurie raised no concerns privately with Banner before accusing Banner via comments to CSNPhilly.com of planting negative information about Roseman. It’s a sign of a serious fracture in a relationship that lasted 44 years, and it suggests that Banner’s departure from Philly was far less amicable than believed. Here’s hoping that they find a way to work things out. Then again, maybe it’s better for our business if they don’t. From PFT
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Lurie accuses Banner of fueling negative perception of Roseman
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Jeffrey Lurie is not happy, and the object of his scorn is his boyhood best friend.
Lurie, owner of the Eagles, said former Eagles executive Joe Banner, his boyhood friend, top adviser for nearly two decades and now CEO of the Browns, appears to be the source of anonymous comments sharply critical of Eagles general manager Howie Roseman that appeared recently in a story on a national sports web site.
“I’m very supportive of Howie, and if there’s any criticism coming from afar about Howie, it’s just off-base, and so I will support Howie completely, because that’s not right,” Lurie said.
“And, you know, if there are league sources that are really based in Cleveland, that’s not right. We see through it all.”
In a Jan. 14 story that appeared on CBSsports.com, NFL reporter Jason La Canfora, quoting an anonymous source, wrote that Roseman was “drunk with power” and “woefully out of his depth” and was a detriment to the Eagles’ search for a head coach.
Banner released a statement through Browns spokesman Neal Gulkis denying in the strongest terms that he was the source of the comments in La Canfora’s story.
“It is always difficult to comment on a quote that may or may not be accurate or in context. In this case, from the comments which Jeffrey made that were communicated to me, it is necessary for me to make this clear, unambiguous statement. Any implication that I had anything to do with Jason La Canfora’s story is completely false, outrageous and borders on being libelous.
“I had absolutely no conversation with Jason La Canfora. Having demonstrated my character over the last 44 years to Jeffrey and the last 14 to Howie, it is beyond disappointing that they would suggest such a thing. As tempting as it is to go further, other than defending myself, I will continue to take the high road on all such matters as I have since the day I left the Eagles.”
The Eagles and Browns both targeted coveted Oregon head coach Chip Kelly for their head coaching openings, pitting Lurie and Roseman against Banner in a very public, high-stakes battle among former friends for one of the most successful college coaches of the past decade.
In the middle of all this, La Canfora’s story compared the Browns’ coaching search favorably to the Eagles’ search and suggested that the Eagles’ search, led by Lurie, Roseman and team president Don Smolenski, was “meandering and bizarre.”
When the Eagles hired Kelly as head coach on Wednesday, it was widely seen as a strong measure of vindication for Roseman and evidence that the anonymous source who told La Canfora that Roseman would prevent the Eagles from landing a prominent coach was off-base.
Kelly said in Philadelphia on Thursday that the Browns were never in the mix, that he knew all along he would either return to Oregon or take the Eagles job.
“It was evident to me that I was either going to go to Philadelphia or stay in Oregon,” Kelly said. “When I met with Jeffrey and Howie and Donald right there, I knew obviously I thought that this was the best spot.”
Although the La Canfora story successfully fueled strong anti-Roseman sentiment in Philadelphia, it apparently had no effect on the Eagles’ search to replace long-time coach Andy Reid.
Lurie said he, Roseman and Smolenski were aware of the story and aware of mounting anti-Roseman sentiment but tried to ignore it.
“For these two weeks [during the search], we weren’t going to pay much attention to anything,” Lurie said. “But if Howie did, he just completely was able to deal with it.
“He was annoyed by the unprofessional aspect. He was really annoyed. And hurt by it. But he wouldn’t let that get in the way here. He was not going to deal with these people.”
In a group interview with reporters on Thursday, Lurie said the three-man search committee was determined not to be distracted or discouraged by the growing hostility toward Roseman.
They knew eventually they would hire either Kelly or Seahawks defensive coordinator Gus Bradley, their second choice, so they knew eventually the negativity would end.
“We knew strategically what was going on with league sources and stuff like that,” Lurie said. “This was such erroneous reporting it was insane.
“The people we interviewed and the people who called the people we interviewed were so positive that I think it dwarfed any of the individual agendas of anybody that was quoted as league sources. It was a joke to us, really.”
Lurie said he and Banner have maintained a cordial relationship since their working relationship fractured.
He said he and Banner exchanged texts on Thursday, with each congratulating the other on their head coaching hires – Kelly in Philadelphia and Panthers offensive coordinator Rob Chudzinski in Cleveland.
He also said he believes the relationship between him and Banner can be salvaged.
“I’m intending to have an excellent relationship with him moving forward,” he said.
Lurie said he hasn’t spoken to Banner recently to discuss his suspicion that Banner was the one who planted negative quotes about Roseman in La Canfora’s story.
“I haven’t done that,” he said. “But if I have to do it I will.”
To put the depth of the bitterness between Lurie and Banner in perspective, it’s important to understand how close they once were.
On May 7, 1994, one day after Lurie officially became owner of the Philadelphia Eagles, he hired Banner as his top adviser.
For 19 years, they worked together to carry out a shared vision of the Eagles franchise. They got a state-of-the-art stadium built. They got a world-class practice facility built. They transformed the Eagles into the second-winningest franchise in the NFC from 1995 through 2010.
But Banner left the Eagles in June after losing a bitter power struggle with Roseman, his one-time protégé. A few months later he joined Jimmy Haslam’s ownership group in Cleveland, soon becoming CEO of the Browns.
Reid alluded to the Lurie-Banner fracture earlier this month when he was asked in an interview with Philadelphia media about the Eagles’ decline in recent years, a decline that ultimately cost Reid his job.
“I would tell you the most important thing is that everybody’s got to be pulling in the same direction,” Reid said after accepting the Chiefs’ head coaching position.
“When that gets out of whack, bad things happen. That’s how this league works. If you get a little bit out of whack, you’re not going to be successful.”
As for Roseman, Lurie said the third-year general manager actually had outstanding relationships with all the coaching candidates.
“One of the things I learned -- as an owner you learn as you go -- was the really great respect that Howie had across the league,” Lurie said. “People were calling our candidates to say, ‘This is a young GM, but he is a very, very sharp guy.’
“Andy [Reid] also called some of the candidates and told them what [Roseman] is like to work with.
“The benefit we had here, and I can’t underestimate it, and it wasn’t even our doing, but some of the real iconic names in the sport were telling our candidates before they came in that this was by far the best organization to come in and work for.”
Roseman refused to call the Kelly hiring vindication. He said he tried to stay positive throughout the search process and stay focused on the ultimate goal.
Finding a coach who could restore the Eagles’ winning tradition.
“I don’t want to make this about me,” Roseman said. “I think it’s about our organization, our team and giving the fans back the kind of team they’re used to. That would be vindication for me.”
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I guess Banner and Haslam made an impression on Chip Kelly...all bad !
The fact that Kelly spoke out yesterday, making such an insulting comment about the Browns efforts to hire him...that the Browns (Banner and Haslam) "were never in the mix"...that is not the sort of comment or tone one would expect from Kelly, someone new to the NFL.
It would seem that something must have been behind, such comment...that something was said during our interview with Chip Kelly that did not set well with Kelly, triggering the brash comment about the Browns never being in the mix.
It sounds like the Chip Kelly interview with Haslam and Banner could not have gone any worse.
Just reading the tea leaves and giving my opinion...it sounds like Banner went negative on the Eagles during the Chip Kelly interview, in an attempt to sway him toward the Browns....and someone with knowledge of Banner's comments spoke to the media.
The individual who spoke to the media (Jason La Canfora) may have been Chip Kelly himself...or someone that Chip Kelly spoke to about comments.
Just another black eye the Browns have to deal with...
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He got blasted because the fans loved Dawkins, and he proved he could still play after being let go.
Dawkins had one great year and two ok years after he left Philly because of injuries... so (to me) it looks like a decent move by Banner... but being a fan favorite had to be tough to make that decision and obviously Lurie really liked him as well and wanted the fans' favor a bit by bringing Dawk back to retire an Eagle...
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Since Banner is a Brown now I do have a part of me that REALLY wants Kelly to fall flat on his face and the Browns to go to the SB a few times in the next 3 years  just so Banner can sit back and smile a little bit wider when having a drink with his old pal Lurie 
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here's what is fun about all of this ruckus.
we just played Philly. both teams rebooted. so, now each team has 4 years to get things right before we play again. let's see who did it right.
with Chud/Norv/Horton, I'd say we have the head-start.
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Thanks for the article, mac.
I still call shenanigans on the Kelly thing. He said he would go to Philly OR stay at Oregon, but not both...
I didn't want the guy anyway, and I'm much happier with who we did get in that area.
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I'm with you GM.
The Browns had something good developing here over the last two years. Heckert was drafting well, and Shurmer, while he made his mistakes, was developing nicely along with the team.
Instead of looking forward to year 3 of what has been a productive rebuild, we are given, well, the garbage we see before us.
How in the world did we go from Tom Heckert running our drafts to Mike Lombardi? - I really can't believe it's true. It's so bad.
Consider that if Haslam had let the Holmgren/Heckert/Shurmer regime have another year to prove itself, right now Tom Heckert would be getting ready for April, and the Browns players would continue familiarizing themselves with the offense and defense. - Come next Fall, anything short of 9 wins would have been unacceptable. At least it would have been something to look forward to.
Now what do we have? Lombardi, out of nowhere now has significant input on our drafts? Our CEO getting into **ing matches with his old buddies? A first time head coach?
As for the coaching staff..
Brad Childress, when he was a head coach, almost had the Minnesota Vikings in the Superbowl. Dick Jauron, when he was a head coach, had the Bears winning the NFC North and in the divisional round of the playoffs.
Now what do we have? Norv Turner had some great success as on OC, but didn't have the same success as a HC that Brad Childress had. - Am I supposed to believe he is an upgrade? And who in their right mind thinks that Horton is an upgrade over Jauron. Is Chud really an upgrade over Shurmer? - Maybe a little bit.
Is there anybody who has a say in the draft process an upgrade over Tom Heckert? - No way.
Face it guys, we got a lot worse in the last couple months. There is no plan in place. We don't deserve this. We deserve better.
Personally, I hope we start 0-10 so that Haslam can get rid of everybody and get the right people here.
I'm serious, and I've been rooting for this team since I was in 5 years old back in the early '80s. I hate what I see before me. For the first time, I'm starting to dislike this team. These people need to go asap. This is complete garbage.
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Please, PLease, PLEASE look back at every single draft Lombardi has been in control of. Each and every single one of them have sucked for every team he has ever worked for. IMO today is the worst day in Cleveland Browns History. Even worse than the day the team moved.
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Now what do we have? Norv Turner had some great success as on OC, but didn't have the same success as a HC that Brad Childress had. - Am I supposed to believe he is an upgrade? And who in their right mind thinks that Horton is an upgrade over Jauron. Is Chud really an upgrade over Shurmer? - Maybe a little bit
Every one of those hires are better than who we had, I say that without a doubt in my mind. The majority of people on here would have liked to keep Heckert(myself included), the drafting definitely took a hit with Lombardi taking Heckerts spot but the coaching most definitely improved. What will happen is anyones guess but I don't feel the world is ending by any means.
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Childress wasn't THAT much better than Norv as a HC. Norv has many more years as HC (3 different teams) won 4 divisional titles and made the AFC champ game. Brad won two divisional titles had a slightly better record and made it to the NFC champ game.
But that's beside the point... because Norv knows Chud's offense and is able to work really well with Chud... so as Chud as HC Norv is head and shoulders the better choice simply because he's the right man to work with Chud. (I like Brad but he doesn't run the offense that we'll be running).
Now, I love Jauron and was hoping he'd stay, but you made him sound like he was an amazing HC. He had one really good year with the Bears... first two were horrible, then he turned it around, got coach of the year, won their division and lost in their first playoff game... then won 4 games and 7 games in the next two seasons... then was average in Buffalo as a HC... I do like him as a DC and was hoping we'd keep him...
but Horton I think is a good, firery DC who has the qualifications to get a HC shot at some point. The only thing that stinks is we're going ot be going to more of a 3-4 than 4-3... but I like Horton as DC as well as Jauron.
So we'll see...
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Not necessarily pointing the finger at you, but some posters blast the hiring of Banner and say there's no way he's qualified to have the "football people" answer to him because he wasn't responsible for drafting the players, yet other posters are going to blast him for bad drafts because they "went through him."
I'd note the irony there.
So to be blunt, you're using faulty logic to paint Banner as a dope...again. Whether it's intentional or not, you've missed.
There are legit questions with Banner. Your proposed example does not qualify as one.
Funny thing, to point the finger directly at you.......
..... You are the one who emphaticly stated that Banner would have no control over player personnel. How's that example workin' for ya' now?
Which side ya goin' with Toad? The one who says Banner is extremely qualified to do his job and an example is the great hire he made in Lombardi?
Or the one that says he's probably in over his head and wants a lot more control here than you first thought?
Because if you're gonna point fingers at people who missed the mark here, step in line!
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..... You are the one who emphaticly stated that Banner would have no control over player personnel. How's that example workin' for ya' now?
And you were the one that said he had no control over football moves in Philly.
How's THAT workin' for you now?
As I'd said in previous weeks, I was working on the premise that he did not have any control over personnel in Philly, and didn't believe he'd have any here because of that. Since then it's come to light that he actually did have some control over there, so you and the rest of the people afraid of Banner making football decisions should be somewhat relieved.
As for Lombardi, oh well, you can't win'em all.
Chud, Turner, and Horton are GREAT hires IMHO. Dumbardi makes a loss.
I'll take 3 outa 4 any day.
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And you were the one that said he had no control over football moves in Philly.
How's THAT workin' for you now?
As I'd said in previous weeks, I was working on the premise that he did not have any control over personnel in Philly, and didn't believe he'd have any here because of that. Since then it's come to light that he actually did have some control over there, so you and the rest of the people afraid of Banner making football decisions should be somewhat relieved.
As for Lombardi, oh well, you can't win'em all.
Chud, Turner, and Horton are GREAT hires IMHO. Dumbardi makes a loss.
I'll take 3 outa 4 any day.
The problem with that thinking is that you are undervaluing what Lombardi as a GM/whatever his title is does compared to the coordinators and head coach. Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark were far more instrumental in the new Browns' failures than Chris Palmer.
A coach can maybe swing the record on a year 3 wins or losses, but talent always tells in the NFL, making the GM extremely important.
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Except that Dumbardi isn't a traditional GM.
What is his role?
It's impossible to determine his value when we don't know his role.
On the surface, I can postulate that Banner and Chud and perhaps even Turner will have equal or even more decision making power than Dumbardi. However, I can't know for sure, and neither can anyone else. For all we know, Dumbardi may just be the guy that heads up college scouting after 10 years of mowing Banner's lawn.
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There should be an age limit on these boards. No one under the age of 6 should be allowed to post.
You are under the age of 6, right? That would be the only way to explain your immature use of nicknames.
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