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Simple question, what do you see in store for the future for this team? Maybe we can archive this somewhere for the inevitable argument in a few years.
My long term prediction is this:
Due to better coaching, we will win more games in the next 3 or so years, ranging anywhere from 7-9 to 11-5 with early playoff exits as Heckert's guys start to really produce.
Due to poorer drafting, we will see this team drop off the map after those few years of false hope, getting little to no production from newly drafted players until Banner and Lombardi are fired, as will be the coaches, though unjustly.
We have essentially flipped our situation from what it was last year regarding the front office and coaching.
The only way I can see this being different is if we draft a really good QB, like Bridgewater(who will be awesome) or Manziel(who could possibly be good), to cover up other deficiencies. Unfortunately, I don't think we will be bad enough for this to happen.
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I dont think it will as doom and gloom as people are saying. Banner was this the Eagles when they made there championship runs. He picked up a lot of knowledge Im sure. Lombardi isnt going to solely be picking. Chud and his staff will have a lot of input in who we draft and bring in free agency
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Long term predictions: Within 10 Years from now (Best case scenario, mind you) 1) We will have mediocre to okay seasons, sneaking in as Wild Cards for Years 1-3. 9-7, 10-6, 10-6 2) Years 4-7, we really come alive with a QB that's finally competent (considering that Weeden figures out some of his mistakes and he improves for Years 1-3), with a QB we draft in the middle rounds. We finally get back to where we were in the 80's reaching the AFC Championship Game and we finally get over the hump this time. 3) We win 1 Super Bowl trophy with a roster of players that "get it". A roster of players with actual talent that know what it's like to be on a winning Cleveland Browns team. 4) Years 8-10, we may go back to being mediocre/okay, but still, the mission was already accomplished. Around this time, the Buffalo Bills and the Jacksonville Jaguars will no longer exist, sadly. They'll probably be relocated to either LA, Las Vegas, San Antonio or St. Louis.  5) BSPN will no longer laugh at us and poke fun at us 24/7. Jimmy Haslam will make a monumental announcement. He will ban ESPN from ever broadcasting MNF games in Cleveland for 10 years, basically telling them to go to Hell. (I know, wishful thinking here) 6) We beat the Steelers/Rats/ Bungles more frequently, at least splitting games per season. 7) During this 10 year run, the Browns play a playoff game that will be remembered for many years to come (and a positive game unlike The Drive and The Fumble). Now back to reality. 
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Simple question, what do you see in store for the future for this team? Maybe we can archive this somewhere for the inevitable argument in a few years.
My long term prediction is this:
Due to better coaching, we will win more games in the next 3 or so years, ranging anywhere from 7-9 to 11-5 with early playoff exits as Heckert's guys start to really produce.
Due to poorer drafting, we will see this team drop off the map after those few years of false hope, getting little to no production from newly drafted players until Banner and Lombardi are fired, as will be the coaches, though unjustly.
We have essentially flipped our situation from what it was last year regarding the front office and coaching.
The only way I can see this being different is if we draft a really good QB, like Bridgewater(who will be awesome) or Manziel(who could possibly be good), to cover up other deficiencies. Unfortunately, I don't think we will be bad enough for this to happen.
I could not agree more. I clicked on this thread to be all doom and gloom, but in reality I think you are right.
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We might sneak into the playoffs in the next couple of years, while the Ravens and Steelers are rebuilding, if the Bengals get hit with a lot of injuries. It may even get worse than under Lerner, do they still let teams with losing records into the playoffs ? We will have to win the division to get to a playoff game. Lombardi was even a bad announcer and Banner know nada about players, his D- and F in Philly proved that.  Just look kwhat happened after Heckert left and he took over, straight downhill, as fast as you can go. The new owner blew it on his first hire, he should have got a football man for a consultant, like Ron Wolf or similiar. 
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I agree with your prediction for the most part. This team is SET UP to make a HUGE leap. Young talent and biggest cap room available. All Lombardi and J&J have to do is find a decent contributor at 6 and a good, above AVG starter or 2 in FA. Improved coaching should lead to some more wins but then there's the possibility of step back on D because of the scheme switch, so worst case it's a trade off.
Then there's the Lombardi "doh" factor. This guy is Mangini bad, so I can see this clown re-building that whole roster because he wants the credit for it. with the excuse of the switch I see this dolt trade away 1 of Sheard/Taylor for lower value (2nd to 4th rounder or some conditional crap) or go hard for HIS QB in some fashin (Mallet or Geno Smith....he LOVED Pat freaking White, so I don't want to know what he thinks of Geno....I could see him TRADE UP in front of Philly just so Banner can say he took away Geno from Lurie/Chip Kelly....I'm already praying that Reid will pick him at 1)...if this "doh" factor kicks in, we won't even sniff the 8 win mark
I'm really torn...
1) I like this roster and LOVE the foundation players: Haden, Ward, Rubin, Taylor, Sheard, Thomas, Dqwell, Mack, TRich, Gordon, Schwartz...those 11 guys already ARE well above AVG or good or great at their position...Add to those guys with that upside and AVG or close to it players like Winn, Gocong, Robertson, Hughes, Pinkston, Lauvao...Weeden is the wildcard here, but his upside is undeniable imho
2) I also LOVE the coaching trio of Chud-Norv-Horton...
3) but I HATE the FO structure of gullible owner who likes to have a hand in football decisions, a little man complex and carbon copy of Mangini in Banner, who has as much power of football side than EVER before and a puppet, clueless "GM" in Lombardi
I will root for this team hard in 2013 because of 1) and 2) but will keep a close eye for every MOVE and non-move 3) produces
Reading around this board, my sentiments above are pretty much shared by the majority on here. With that said I think we have to "split" our evaluations of this roster going forward, depending on the contributors. If we win 9+ games next season with big talent leaps taken by 1) and 2) but little production from FAs or draft picks from 3), I think it's safe to give props and call for heads AT THE SAME TIME.
Only time will tell, but my "gut feeling" is in line with the initial post...one step forward short term, 2 steps back mid to long term because of little to no substantial talent replenishment
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Chud and Norv are superior to Pat and Chilly. Let's be honest, I think Pat Shurmer was a good coach with young players and Chilly is a good coach as well but I believe this is a massive upgrade at HC and OC.
Horton is another Rob Ryan type of personality that will translate well with players. I think the D transformation will go much smoother than most are anticipating.
We also have 47 mil in cap money to fill some holes. So immediate to near future we should really have success.
Haslam's ability to keep Banner and Lombardi in check however is the key to long term future. Haslam seems like the type that is going to be watching film with scouts and coaches and we don't know what kind of talent evaluator he is for players but we have now seen his talent evalutions of coaches in Chud and Horton. Those are his guys.
I think Haslam has a vision of what he wants and he hired Banner to help put that vision in place because BAnner helped put him and Lerner together but the Alpha Male isn't going to let underlings mess up his baby.
I don't hate lombardi but it definitely borders on hate and he is one of the most untrustworthy individuals in the NFL. I fear long term he will try to push people out so he can achieve more control and bring in his people.
Next 4years we should be in great shape with how well Heckert padded the roster and got our cap in order with players locked in. After that will be determined by our next two drafts and FA acquisitions.
BTW Ward is about to become a star in this league with Horton. I also think we may see Horton use smaller backers than most 3-4 teams with so many teams throwing the ball 60 times a game. Little and Gordon should become the tandem threat that teams lose sleep over.
I am really starting to think Weeden will be replaced. With a new owner wanting his own QB and Banner and Lombardi are not Weeden fans at all, he doesnt have much of a chance of sticking.
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Good Topic.
I'm not kidding, and I'm sorry for sounding dramatic here. The Browns will fail bad under this regime. I hope it fails really bad next season so that Haslam clears house.
Don't be naive here guys.
Hiring Lombardi might have been ok had the Browns been a first year expansion team. But we had a guy here in Tom Heckert that had a plan and was doing a great job of building this team through the draft. Which goes to my next point:
The Browns got rid of Mike Holmgren to hire Joe Banner. - How is this smart? Joe Banner knows nothing about football, yet, here he is having input on key personnel decisions. Want proof that he doesn't know what he is doing? He let Heckert leave and then brought in Mike Lombardi. - This is extremely stupid because, again, Heckert had a plan and was doing a nice job of building this team through the draft - so he gets let go? How dumb. He gets ushered out and in comes............ Mike Lombardi? Are you kidding me?
Compared to last year at this time, the Browns have no clarity as to who is in charge of the draft.
The Browns have no clarity as to which free agents they should target, and then sign.
And who is going to bring this clarity? Joe Banner? The guy who found a way to get rid of a good GM and bring in a bad one?
Chudzinski seems like a good guy, but he didn't get any head coaching offers anywhere else. He didn't get any interviews anywhere else this year. And I'm supposed to be excited?
Think what you want about Holmgren, but at least he had a plan - hire a good gm, implement the west coast system with a group of young players and a young coach, and let it grow. - It was working.
What do we have now? - No continuity, no plan for continuity, no clear cut decision maker for anything, we have nothing but a bunch of loose parts. This is why we lose. Do you guys really think that the Rooney's would have come in here and cleaned house? What about Robert Kraft - do you think he would have found a way to keep Heckert and some continuity?
This is absurd.
Let me put it to you this way: Forget about the 2013 season, because it is already a failure. The draft is already a failure and the win loss record is a failure. You can also forget about the 2014 season because that is a failure also.
The only hope we have is that the 2013 season is so bad (0-10 to start hopefully) that Haslam realizes how stupid he has been and gets rid of these guys and brings Heckert back for a king's ransom or brings in another top-notch gm like Polian.
My long term prediction: If this organization stays in place as composed right now, the Browns won't win over 5 games at all over the next three years and then Haslam will clean house. My hope: We start 0-10 next year and Haslam cleans house.
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You make a lot of assumptions there...I feel pretty confident in what they are assembling, and would be willing to bet we are a playoff team within 2 seasons.
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This is my best-case scenario...
Chud works out. I am a big believer in his system. I think it fits the way the NFL is going. I still think defense and running game are important, but you can't deny that you just don't win 10-6 games anymore. You've gotta threaten all parts of the field. I also love making tight ends a big part of the offense. You see it with a lot of the good teams.
I think Norv helps clean up some of the mess that Shurmur and Childress (in whatever role he was) He's a proven coordinator who has seen a lot in the NFL. He's produced big numbers with running backs. I think we can see instant success if Trent can get back to 100% and finally get his first training camp in. I think eventually Norv gets himself another shot at a head coaching gig, which sets up for Chudzinski perfectly.
Norv out, and Chud brings in a younger, up and coming offensive mind to be his OC, giving Chud a bigger grip on this offense. I truly believe eventually Chud could do what they set up Pat Shurmur to do in year 1. Chud is coming into this job a hell of a lot more qualified. Norv can be thought of as training wheels for a first time coach, but I believe their prior relationship can help keep things positive and not have people swaying away from the main objective.
As far as Horton goes, I hope he sticks around in what seems to be a transition period for the defense. I only hope he finds a way to use all of our players, and maybe go away from his philosophy. If we want to be a 3-4 defense like he ran in Pittsburgh, some time down the line, that's fine, but I just want him coming in, doing things with his players says they are trying to win right away. I do think he can take some ideas from the 3-4 in making things exotic, and maybe putting in better blitz packages. I don't think he's "training wheels" as much, because I love the thought of keeping one coordinator around for a while, but if he has success and leaves for a HC gig, so be it. I just hope he has something built, and I hope in that situation, we hire from within to keep things going.
I can't tell ya about Brandon Weeden, cause I don't know, but I think Chud can use him right away. I don't know if he's our answer, but I think he is for right now. (PS, Weeden is 2-3 in the division, just thought I'd chuck that out there)
You've seen success with teams with bad records the prior year. The only thing that works against us is that we're in a top notch division. That's why Chud has to really get this organization to stop the early stumbling.
Best case scenario is playoffs 2 years from right now. I think next year is finding out if Weeden is your guy. If he's not, you know where to go in the 2014 draft. There is nothing wrong with letting him figure it out while you build the rest of the team. They're still really young, and it's not like there are a ton of old scrubs on this team.
If Weeden is your guy, playoffs could be a possibility, but I feel more confident that in year 2 of Chud's system, Weeden finally gets the Browns over the hump.
A lot of people are saying you can't put all this faith into Jimmy when he hasn't done anything, and while that is definitely true, I think there is going to be a different attitude and work ethic, with having an owner who is passionate, and will also be around every day. I don't see him as a Jerry Jones type where he is stepping over the guys he hired, but I see him as a guy with the same passion. Say what you want about Jerry Jones, but he's an owner that actually gives a damn about winning and not just his bottom line.
Jimmy is a football guy, he's a football fan. When he talks about teams and players, you can tell he's not coached. He knows his stuff. He's in to it.
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Compared to last year at this time, the Browns have no clarity as to who is in charge of the draft.
Yeah, no one with our old front office would ever "pull rank" on a pick. Heckert for sure had the final say in the draft.
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He let Heckert leave and then brought in Mike Lombardi. - This is extremely stupid because, again, Heckert had a plan and was doing a nice job of building this team through the draft - so he gets let go? How dumb. He gets ushered out and in comes............ Mike Lombardi? Are you kidding me?
We don't know what Lombardi's plan is, but he probably has one.
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Chudzinski seems like a good guy, but he didn't get any head coaching offers anywhere else.
What's better, hiring the guy who got no offers/interviews (besides ours) or hiring the guy everyone interviewed and then passed on (i.e. Arians and Whisenhunt)?
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Let me put it to you this way: Forget about the 2013 season, because it is already a failure. The draft is already a failure and the win loss record is a failure. You can also forget about the 2014 season because that is a failure also.
This is awesome.
The level of panic going on right now is unprecedented.
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I think Norv helps clean up some of the mess that Shurmur and Childress (in whatever role he was) He's a proven coordinator who has seen a lot in the NFL. He's produced big numbers with running backs. I think we can see instant success if Trent can get back to 100% and finally get his first training camp in. I think eventually Norv gets himself another shot at a head coaching gig, which sets up for Chudzinski perfectly.
I don't think anyone will ever give Norv another shot at being a head coach.
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I think Norv helps clean up some of the mess that Shurmur and Childress (in whatever role he was) He's a proven coordinator who has seen a lot in the NFL. He's produced big numbers with running backs. I think we can see instant success if Trent can get back to 100% and finally get his first training camp in. I think eventually Norv gets himself another shot at a head coaching gig, which sets up for Chudzinski perfectly.
I don't think anyone will ever give Norv another shot at being a head coach.
If he turns this offense into something great, I can.
Not saying that is a good idea, but I think it's possible.
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Maybe. I just think that no one wants to hire a 61 year old (and older if he got another head coaching job) who has been fired three times as their head coach.
(Two of the times he was fired it was done by nutty owners, Snyder and Davis)
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The trend in the NFL is towards younger coaches.
Regardless, if Norv had shown true ability as a head coach in any of his stops, then he might get a shot again ...... but he did not. He is an excellent play caller and offensive coach .... but the demands of being a head coach seem to really beat him down. No amount of success as a coordinator here will change that. Anyone thinking about hiring him as a head coach should seriously look into seeing a shrink.
I think that bodes well for us though, because we should be able to hang on to Norv for as long as he (and the team) wants to coach.
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Maybe. I just think that no one wants to hire a 61 year old (and older if he got another head coaching job) who has been fired three times as their head coach.
(Two of the times he was fired it was done by nutty owners, Snyder and Davis)
Now that you mention he's 61 right now, maybe you're right.
It would have to be like a 2 year turnaround, and then a unique situation where the pieces are there, and even then, I don't think a team with the pieces just looking for that right coach would have Norv as their number one option. The situation that I'm talking about is similar to the Bears. They have the QB, some weapons, and a veteran D. Not saying they don't have their holes, but that is not a team building, they are put together to win now.
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I think guys like Norv and Romeo are proven to be great Cordinators, but just can't do the main job...
They'll be employed as long as they want to.
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I don't know, Wade Phillips sure got his share of chances.
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Phillips has been a non-interim head coach three times. Same as Norv.
(Phillips is also 20 games above .500 as a head coach, while Norv is 8 games below).
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You make a lot of assumptions there...I feel pretty confident in what they are assembling, and would be willing to bet we are a playoff team within 2 seasons.
The Lombardi hate is hilarious, there was less backlash around here over the Kokinis hiring.
I'm ready to wait for him to make at least one draft pick before I go all Debbie Downer.
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You make a lot of assumptions there...I feel pretty confident in what they are assembling, and would be willing to bet we are a playoff team within 2 seasons.
The Lombardi hate is hilarious, there was less backlash around here over the Kokinis hiring.
I'm ready to wait for him to make at least one draft pick before I go all Debbie Downer.
Good point as we don't even know the draft day hierarchy on how they will be picking.
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Lombardi is picking = We are doomed, he is a buffoon
Chud is picking = We are doomed, coaches shouldn't have so much control
Banner is picking = We are doomed, he has no experience in personnel (and is evil and probably hate puppies)
Haslam is picking = We are doomed, he is the next Jerry Jones
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Spot on...they would be much better off letting us pick. 
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We'd just end up drafting the OSU roster. 
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nice idea for a topic.  My prediction, Chud and Turner, Horton and Tabor bring the 3 facets to a level where they are respectable year one. we get 8 wins or more. Second season after proving beyond a doubt that he can't draft,, Lombardi is fired, a real person with REAL evaluation skills is hired. (I don't care what his title is) That person picks solid players that take us to a new level, year two, we go 10 wins, make the playoffs and lose in the first round. Year three, after another sound draft, we go 12 wins, win the division, get to the AFC championship game I'll stop there.
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Lombardi is picking = We are doomed, he is a buffoon
Chud is picking = We are doomed, coaches shouldn't have so much control
Banner is picking = We are doomed, he has no experience in personnel (and is evil and probably hate puppies)
Haslam is picking = We are doomed, he is the next Jerry Jones
I don't think things are quite that bad..
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Lombardi is picking = We are doomed, he is a buffoon
Chud is picking = We are doomed, coaches shouldn't have so much control
Banner is picking = We are doomed, he has no experience in personnel (and is evil and probably hate puppies)
Haslam is picking = We are doomed, he is the next Jerry Jones
I don't think things are quite that bad..
Reading the board makes it sound worse
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Lombardi is picking = We are doomed, he is a buffoon
Chud is picking = We are doomed, coaches shouldn't have so much control
Banner is picking = We are doomed, he has no experience in personnel (and is evil and probably hate puppies)
Haslam is picking = We are doomed, he is the next Jerry Jones
That's pretty much the extent of what you are being led to believe.
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Lombardi is picking = We are doomed, he is a buffoon
Chud is picking = We are doomed, coaches shouldn't have so much control
Banner is picking = We are doomed, he has no experience in personnel (and is evil and probably hate puppies)
Haslam is picking = We are doomed, he is the next Jerry Jones
I don't think things are quite that bad..
Reading the board makes it sound worse
Yeah, I know.. That's what appearances say.
I think if Lombardi is the lead dog on picking candidates, his history tells me we are in trouble. But I don't think/believe that's the way it's going to come down.
I do believe that Chud, Turner and Horton will have more influence than Lombardi will have. And for whatever reason that I just can't seem explain, I think Haslam will come down on the side of his coaches before he comes down on the side of Lombardi and Banner. the coaches will win that battle every time
Now, if it's a business matter, CAP related etc.. I'd think he'd lean on Banner and Lombardi more.
But when it comes to players, all he has to do is look at Lombardis history to know he simply hasn't shown he can do the job.
The question becomes, why hire a guy with that draft/player aquisition history? I think it's because banner wanted him.
Which is why I think Haslam will come down on the side of the coaches over player drafts and FA's and UDFA's and supplimental drafts etc.
that's why I have a little more hope than many.
Thing is, I could be out of whack on this thinking. Completely wrong.
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If you seriously think that anyone is getting fired in a year or 2, you're deluding yourself.
Banner and Haslam have said that they are building for the long haul. They are not going to blow things up every other year.
We might as well hope that Lombardi will be far more successful than he's ever been, because he's not going anywhere.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If things are really bad the next two years...5 wins or less...there will be a sacraficial lamb and the likely candidate will be Lombardi.
The coaching staff will get a longer stay of execution.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I agree. I think you can blow up the FO and keep the coaches without to much starting over. Things stay the same on the field.
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If things are really bad the next two years...5 wins or less...there will be a sacraficial lamb and the likely candidate will be Lombardi.
The coaching staff will get a longer stay of execution.
That's not usually the way it works though. It will depend on who is perceived to have the greater negative influence.
Frankly, I am hoping that this whole arrangement somehow works.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
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If you seriously think that anyone is getting fired in a year or 2, you're deluding yourself.
Banner and Haslam have said that they are building for the long haul. They are not going to blow things up every other year.
We might as well hope that Lombardi will be far more successful than he's ever been, because he's not going anywhere.
It's not delusional to think that someone could get fired, all they have to do is do a lousy job. If Lombardi backs the wrong horse enough times in a year or two, Haslam ain't gonna keep him..
Of course, the headline will probably read more like, After 2 years back in the league, Browns VP of Player Personnel, Mike Lombardi has elected to return to work in the media saying he missed the interaction with all 32 teams. The Browns will begin interviewing for his replacement shortly. The Browns also wish Mike well in his future endeavors.
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I wrote: Quote:
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Compared to last year at this time, the Browns have no clarity as to who is in charge of the draft.
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Yeah, no one with our old front office would ever "pull rank" on a pick. Heckert for sure had the final say in the draft.
You really don't get it. You're comparing Mike Holmgren "pulling rank" on Tom Heckert to what we have in our draft room now. Mike Holmgren had been on the sidelines for over 25 years. Mike Holmgren won 2 superbowls with the 49ers, 1 with the Packers, and had been to two additional Super Bowls. - Mike Holmgren pulled rank so that we could draft Colt McCoy. - I have no problem with this considering Colt has already won a few games and is still a member of the team.
So instead of Mike Holmgren and Tom Heckert in our draft room we now have Joe Banner, Mike Lombardi, and Chudzinski. - And you're defending this? Are you serious?
Guys, all of you: We're worse off now than we ever have been before. This is going to be really, really, bad.
Honestly, take a look at something - Compare our '99 front office to what we have now. Would you rather have Carmen Policy and Dwight Clark running the draft or Joe Banner and Mike Lombardi? Consider Carmen Policy's success in S.F. and compare it to Joe Banner's in Philly. And I'm sorry, Dwight Clark may have been bad, but he wasn't as bad as Lombardi.
I wish Rob Chudzinski the best, he seems like a good guy, but as for our head coaching position, do any of you really feel that Rob Chudzinski is better than Chris Palmer? If so, please tell me why.
Guys, we're going to be really, really bad. Had we replaced H&H with Bill Polian, then I'd be a little more optimistic. Take a look at the front office of this team guys - we just went 10 steps backwards. For the first time ever, I have no excitement or optimism heading into next year because I already know 100% that we are going to be awful.
Had we kept Heckert and Shurmer, then we could have expected to beat all division foes at least once next year. Shurmer beat Cincy and Pitts this year and came close to beating Balt. Now, tell me that you have any confidence beating any of these teams going into next season.
What happened here since Haslam bought the team (Getting rid of HH, Hiring Banner & Lombardi) is by far and away the worst thing to happen to this city since the Browns moved. - It's not as bad as the Browns moving, but it's close. We just went from a young, developing team to a team that has zero identity, zero familiarity with the offensive and defensive playbooks, no proven front office people, an unproven head coach. This is a complete travesty.
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I'd like to know if Heckert and Holmgren would have stayed the 5 years what would
had the 5th year been projected to been at this point.
I say fail because it was already year 3 and the Browns weren't even close
to .500 5-11.4-12.5-11..14 wins in 3 seasons.
wheres the improvement?
The Browns might have gotten a Wild Card in year 5. Maybe.
If the Browns finished 8-8 or 9-7 in 2012,then it would be a mistake firing Tommy Boy.
But being the Browns best GM since 1999 wasn't enough for Heckert to keep his job.
Heckert felt he needed to have total control of the roster. Based on what?
his 14 wins in 3 seasons?
This new regime can't do any worse then H/H. This new regime wants to win sooner than later.
This new regime actually brought in coordinators who have a track record of success.
Banner is actually commited to turning the Browns around. Holmgren was comitted to doing as little as possible.
this new regime has made more intelligent moves in one week than all of H/H regime of 3 years.
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Let me bring this up and this won't be the last time..
Banner said something in the presser that alarmed me greatly..
He said that if all 4 people on draft day are divided on apick..
''If two of us are for picking a player and two if us are against that player,we're probably not going to select that player and move to another group of players that we're comfortable with"..
WHAT THE???
R U kidding me??????
That spells failure right there,because Lombardi's evaluation skills are on par with no ones..he's a failure.
Haslam doesn't know the first thing about picking or evaluating football players period.
Banner was good at contracts etc..so I am more worried than I have been for a long time.
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Lets get to the issue that is causing all of this worry and doom and gloom:
Hired Chudzinski - GREAT possibily
Hired Turner - GREAT!
Hired Horton - GREAT!
Fired Jauron - WASH, Due to HORTON hire
Retained some previous position coaches - GREAT!
Fired Heckert - HORRIBLE!
Hired Lombardi - HORRIBLE!
Now, we do not know if Heckert "left" on his own free will or was fired as a favor to Heckert. There is reason to believe that Heckert and Banner never wanted to work together in the first place.
But based on Banner/Haslam track record since getting here, has been actually pretty good with the exception of Heckert/Lombardi.
Haslam will not let Lombardi and Banner take over and go against the vision he has set out for this franchise.
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I agree with everything you said but this part scares me... Quote:
Haslam will not let Lombardi and Banner take over and go against the vision he has set out for this franchise.
Why would you put guys in those positions if you didn't think they shared your vision?
for the last couple years, I thought the FO with Heckert was solid and I thought the talent on the field was improving, I never had much confidence in Shurmur....
Now I think the talent on the field is pretty good, I think we have the best coaching staff we've had since Belichick but I don't have much confidence in the FO....
It's always something. 
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